ffs wrote:piledriver64 wrote:ffs wrote:bleubird62 wrote:ffs wrote:No, it's their life. They just choose not to spend it as a prisoner in their own home
So, you make it sound like a binary choice, as if it was either , or. All nine of them had plenty of opportunities to leave their homes and exercise in their own areas. It’s not as if they are being asked to do something the rest of Wales isn’t, and it’s not as if news of both the Pandemic and the severity of its impact have not reached even those areas. ( I live in one of those areas, and I have heard the news). Grow up!
There will be a time to meet up with your mates near a beach, but now is not that time. We all have to make short term sacrifices for the greater good of all.
No one asked for this Pandemic so it’s nobody’s fault that we have it, but it is everybody’s responsibility to do something about it. “It’s what you do when you live in a herd”
What I'm saying is, no-one has a right to tell anyone else how to live their life
Whilst I wish you were right, you're clearly wrong !!
The elected government of every country sets the laws which actually dictates, to a large extent, how you live your life. In this instance the elected government set a whole load of restrictions (many of which I believe are absolute nonsense !!) by which we have to abide or face prosecution/punishment.
So unless you're making an argument for anarchy the only thing you can do is use any future votes wisely and vote for the party who will let you live a life as closest to what you want
People travelling to Barry Island to meet with friends is not anarchy
Evidence over asymptomatic transmission is very weak so I'm not having that. You can't lock away fit healthy people. If people want to carry on with their lives, and not give into the media and govt's fear mongering, then good on them
I am afraid you are wrong again. Asymptomatic transmission is seen in children, and whilst scientists think that Primary school children do not have a big part in spread at the moment, these 9 are not baby drivers; and young adults have been behind the surge in infections leading to the last lockdown. Leading to increasing numbers through the older age groups, leading to increased hospital admissions and deaths. Here asymptomatic is not so safe, and Pre- symptomatic, (when you have the virus but have not yet become ill), is a big issue.
Nobody is locking fit young people away, we are asking them to restrict their movements, only go out for essential purposes , including exercise, as are the overwhelming majority of the population, who incidentally are finding things just as difficult. And this is a temporary measure until social distancing and vaccination can get infections rates under control.
The Government is not scaremongering, they seem to move very slow into increasing restrictions suggested to them by SAGE, are always being badgered by both the opposition parties and the Unions for being too slow. Yes they could have done better but so could we.
I do not call breaking lockdown rules “getting on with their lives”
It essentially is sticking two fingers up at he overwhelming majority of the population who are trying to do their bit by following the rules.
They are sticking their two fingers at the vastly overworked Hospital doctors who are working overtime, in very difficult conditions to try and save lives.
They are sticking their two fingers up at businesses who now find themselves closed because the irresponsible behaviour of a few have led to these destructive lockdowns.
They are also sticking their two fingers up at other innocent people trying to follow the rules who may be the last link in the infection train these people may have started and find themselves in ITU or worse because 9 idiots cannot grow up and control themselves.
WE currently have a mutation that has made this virus 50-70% more infective, that means it is much easier to get. The next mutation could make it 50-70% more virulent. The first SARS infection of 2004 had a case fatality rate
I am afraid you are clearly wrong again. You may think the evidence of asymptomatic transmission is weak, but the medical community doesn’t. Perhaps you would like to publish your research and set out your evidence base for that comment.
Whilst at present it may not be an issue in under 11’s, it is the level of asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic transmission in adults that is making the virus so difficult to control. Especially as we now have a new variant which is 70% more transmissible, and therefore much more easily spread. This is why social distancing is so important, as is getting tested and self - isolating where appropriate. Not for the government’s sake, but for our families, friends, and neighbours.
We currently have a situation where the UTI’s in Wales are running at 152% capacity, where ITU staff are breaking themselves to make the care work; large numbers of ITU staff experiencing significant psychological strain., resulting in mental ill health. WE have almost 3000 patients in hospital beds with an illness that we did not know about a year ago. These are beds which are now not available for other patients who also have needs. WE have people unable to get investigations and treatment they need because COVID patients are, ( necessarily),using up resources that would have gone to them.
The Health sector is doing their best to work through this, and save as many lives as possible; and all we are being asked to do is to place some temporary curtailments on our lives to limit the spread of the virus. Most of the people in Wales this that is a reasonable ask, and are helping out by readily accepting that.
Nobody is “scaremongering”, it’s just that people are presented with real time data that is rather scary, those are two completely different things. Putting your fingers in your ears and not listening to the facts will not alter them I am afraid.
The point is that we are all being asked to curtail our freedoms for a short while in order to be able to enjoy them for a longer time as soon as we get on top of the virus. The vast majority of people get that. IN fact is is most people in Wales, but as the Chief Medical Officer said in his briefing today, “most is not enough”. The sad fact is that the behaviour of a small amount of people is having an impact that is way out of proportion to their number.
The very small minority who do not follow the (reasonable) rules, are either ignorant of the facts, or self centred or both.
I do not call breaking lockdown rules “getting on with their lives”. I must admit i find that comment insulting.
It essentially is sticking two fingers up at he overwhelming majority of the population who are trying to do their bit by following the rules.
It is sticking their two fingers at the vastly overworked Hospital doctors who are working overtime, in very difficult conditions to try and save lives.
It is sticking their two fingers up at large numbers of patients in pain and unable to have surgery because COVID patients are taking up vast quantities of beds. And patients with heart, and other disease who cannot be treated as promptly as they should because of the burden of care placed on the Hospital Sector by COVID.
They are sticking their two fingers up at businesses who now find themselves closed because the irresponsible behaviour of a few has led to these destructive lockdowns.
They are also sticking their two fingers up at other innocent people trying to follow the rules who may be the last link in the infection chain these people may have started and find themselves in ITU or worse because people such as these 9 idiots cannot grow up and control themselves.
Please stop trying to defend indefensible behaviour, it doesn’t make you look good.
AS far as comment about no-one has the right to tell anyone else how to live their life. Really? So no one has the right to set limits on how you drive your car on public roads, no one has the right to expect you not to kill innocent people, no one has the right to expect you not to go about robbing banks? I could go on, but that comment is patently absurd.
I think it is time to do a reality check.