Re: Cardiff players if you read this
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:57 am
ealing_ayatollah wrote:Sven wrote:ealing_ayatollah wrote:nuclearblue wrote:Taking the knee isn’t racist just Not very bright. Called them Racist because of Racist Black power fist pump.Sven wrote:What's 'extremist' about a group of footballers kneeling in an act of solidarity?
In fairness Nukes has said on this thread alone a number of times it is not the kneeling it is the black power fist salute he is referring to. Can we at least stop conflating these two things as they have different historical meanings and I think that is the whole point being made.
And for anyone piping up with the "I don't care about politics, I supported Black Lives Matter because I don't like racism" line. (not aimed at a specific person just those repeating this general tone across this thread and others)
You were duped by political extremists and you lapped it up.
You involved yourself in the politics by being supporting a movement without taking the time to have a quick look at their website. it isn't fair to try and retrospectively shift the goal posts because you didn't look into the political group you were happy to blindly support. Ignorance really isn't a good enough excuse in the age of the internet so please don't now start claiming BLM was anything other than a political movement from the outset. It was, you were duped because you didn't take the time to read up on it properly. No-one's fault but your own.
One last point to the poster who was saying they just come back from Deep South US and there were racists on every corner (really sorry can't remember who posted that). Fair enough that is your anecdotal evidence. Here is mine.
Until this year I'd spent a lot of time travelling for work every year and would be in the US a lot as about half of my clients are out there and I also speak at a lot of conferences out there. With regards to the South in particular, I've spent lot of time in Atlanta and Jacksonville and I've never seen anything like you describe. In fact, the people of the Southern States are some of the most welcoming and polite people I have ever met and treated me and two of my colleagues I tend to travel with (one black and one asian) with nothing but respect. This has been a consistent experience every year since 2014 when I first travelled there.
It's not that I'm denying what you said is true, it's just my own experiences are very, very different.
However, ultimately, anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much. It has some weight but the statistics hold far, far more and they really don't show the US to be a racist country at all.
In fact, in 2016 a global study showed it was the least racist country on Earth. There's quite a lot of articles about this here is one from the Washngton Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... countries/
I also spend a fair bit of time in Asia where there is a much, much more overt racism on offer. Again fairly easy to find balanced articles on this here is one from business insider list the 20 most racist countries based on the collection of a number of different sets of data. USA, UK, and most of Europe are all notably absent on this list. In fact, the only 'European' nations on there are Russia and Turkey. https://businesstech.co.za/news/lifesty ... the-world/
Great post and I concur on the mixing up of the kneeling and the fist pumping
I also concur that the people of Jacksonville (not been to Atlanta but I'm sure it's the same there) are amongst the most welcoming you could wish for
Interesting links you put up and it goes to show there can often be a big difference between perception and reality
Cheers Sven. Big fan of Jacksonville, great city on the up and full of great people.
No worries, I always enjoy your considered posts
Jacksonville is a lovey place, as are the surrounding areas (St Augustine being amongst my favourite places on Earth) and I enjoy (their) Football when I'm out there, so trips to see the Jaguars have been known
The 'fans' at the stadium and the people in general are incredibly welcoming