' Bring the Grange End back '

[Stringfellow]

' Bring the Grange End back '

In the new Cardiff City Stadium

http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/2016/10/2 ... -end-back/


The club are listening to us fans and doing everything they can to re engage. Despite what some want to believe they have shown despite previous statements " the Cardiff way " etc they will still rip that up if they need to make a decision.

The club are asking what we want from match day, let's just for a minute forget any obstacles that some will put up because let's be honest it wouldn't be difficult to swap the canton with the grange end.

For me with the recent positivity, the passion being shown from the manager and players the " new era grange end " would be fantastic and a real asset for the team the club and restoring " our Cardiff " I also believe it would increase attendances.

Thoughts? Is this something people badly want or not?

[CardiffCityBlue]

I remember a few years ago it was put forward to the club they looked into it and the Cost of policing it apparently so to save money

I think it would be great if they did it now with the feel good factor back

[Blackwood_Bluebird]

It would be a great idea, doubtful though.... it would stop the family stand getting abused by away fans! They always seem to direct it that way instead of the ninian stand. it would def improve the atmosphere!

[Stringfellow]

I remember a few years ago it was put forward to the club they looked into it and the Cost of policing it apparently so to save money

I think it would be great if they did it now with the feel good factor back

Two years age we played in red and the club weren't interested in the fans, I think it could be a different view this time.

[boyo1927]

This 100 percent is the next thing the club could do to improve the match day experience. Football has moved on. At how many games have we been away and next to the home fans so much so you could have a chat! With a sensible segregation the whole stadium would change in an instant. Banter with away fans is needed to enjoy the game for me. I know not sure for a everyone but the family should be furthest away from any abuse. I had a season ticket with my young lad for 4 seasons and it got hairy a few times. Not for under 9 year olds

[Stringfellow]

This 100 percent is the next thing the club could do to improve the match day experience. Football has moved on. At how many games have we been away and next to the home fans so much so you could have a chat! With a sensible segregation the whole stadium would change in an instant. Banter with away fans is needed to enjoy the game for me. I know not sure for a everyone but the family should be furthest away from any abuse. I had a season ticket with my young lad for 4 seasons and it got hairy a few times. Not for under 9 year olds

It's the argument we need to push with the club. Numbers is the key

[theclaw]

I remember a few years ago it was put forward to the club they looked into it and the Cost of policing it apparently so to save money

I think it would be great if they did it now with the feel good factor back

Charge the appropriate price to be in the Grange end to cover policing charges,simple.

[Forever Blue]

Gareth, Whilst wayne Nash remains Stadium manager, its a 100% NO in my opinion.

I honestly believe the way forward is to give Neil Warnock and our team the passion/noise they deserve. I personally would swop ends and with todays CCTV/Banning orders etc there won't be trouble, just an amazing atmosphere

[boyo1927]

Spot on Annis. Why is Nash so against this. Does he think it will be ww3 or something

[Forever Blue]

Spot on Annis. Why is Nash so against this. Does he think it will be ww3 or something

Nash, was against the whole of Section A bottom/top tier of Ninian Park, Yet in the Top Tier,there was not an arrest for over 5 years. He wants happy clapping/American style.

I gave a list of 800 season ticket holders all signed by every fan from Sect A (Top/Bottom) and some B, from Ninian Park, all asked to sit together in the New Stadium, 6 months before we left. NO CHANCE, I won't repeat on here the words that were said.

[ccfcsince62]

' Bring the Grange End back '

In the new Cardiff City Stadium

http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/2016/10/2 ... -end-back/


The club are listening to us fans and doing everything they can to re engage. Despite what some want to believe they have shown despite previous statements " the Cardiff way " etc they will still rip that up if they need to make a decision.

The club are asking what we want from match day, let's just for a minute forget any obstacles that some will put up because let's be honest it wouldn't be difficult to swap the canton with the grange end.

For me with the recent positivity, the passion being shown from the manager and players the " new era grange end " would be fantastic and a real asset for the team the club and restoring " our Cardiff " I also believe it would increase attendances.

Thoughts? Is this something people badly want or not?

This has been raised several times in the past , and I have yet to see a valid argument to support it.

Most grounds in this country and the vast majority abroad do not feel the need to have their more vociferous fans next to away fans and it has had no detrimental impact on the atmosphere at games. The atmosphere is created by the fans themselves who don`t seem to share the view of some on here (who are of course perfectly entitled to their reasoned arguments) that this switch of the type of home fans currently occupying the Grange and Canton ends of CCS would somehow improve the atmosphere.

If you just look at the atmosphere created by "ultra" type fans in Continental Europe (the likes of Germany, Spain, Italy , Poland to name just a few) it is always "loud and proud" and they don`t feel the need to "eyeball" visiting fans to generate that atmosphere.

It would be great to have this "new era" of louder home support but there is no reason why it can`t happen in its current location. Others can do it at most football grounds , so why should CCFC fans be any different?

[TERRYB]

' Bring the Grange End back '

In the new Cardiff City Stadium

http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/2016/10/2 ... -end-back/


The club are listening to us fans and doing everything they can to re engage. Despite what some want to believe they have shown despite previous statements " the Cardiff way " etc they will still rip that up if they need to make a decision.

The club are asking what we want from match day, let's just for a minute forget any obstacles that some will put up because let's be honest it wouldn't be difficult to swap the canton with the grange end.

For me with the recent positivity, the passion being shown from the manager and players the " new era grange end " would be fantastic and a real asset for the team the club and restoring " our Cardiff " I also believe it would increase attendances.

Thoughts? Is this something people badly want or not?

This has been raised several times in the past , and I have yet to see a valid argument to support it.

Most grounds in this country and the vast majority abroad do not feel the need to have their more vociferous fans next to away fans and it has had no detrimental impact on the atmosphere at games. The atmosphere is created by the fans themselves who don`t seem to share the view of some on here (who are of course perfectly entitled to their reasoned arguments) that this switch of the type of home fans currently occupying the Grange and Canton ends of CCS would somehow improve the atmosphere.

If you just look at the atmosphere created by "ultra" type fans in Continental Europe (the likes of Germany, Spain, Italy , Poland to name just a few) it is always "loud and proud" and they don`t feel the need to "eyeball" visiting fans to generate that atmosphere.

It would be great to have this "new era" of louder home support but there is no reason why it can`t happen in its current location. Others can do it at most football grounds , so why should CCFC fans be any different?

As a former Grange ender at Ninian I can tell you that the atmosphere was created because of the need to outsing the visiting fans right next to us and in so doing the extra noise made us the 12th Man and spurred our team on. The problem in the new stadium is that the Canton stand can't really hear what the away fans are singing so consequently there is no banter and no need to raise the noise levels. Put Canton lads next to the visitors with a sensible no mans land segregation and you listen to the difference. I think this will be implemented in the near future and it's just another step forward on the Club re engaging with its supporters. Guarantee this will bring a lot of fans back too.

[ccfcsince62]

' Bring the Grange End back '

In the new Cardiff City Stadium

http://www.annisabraham.co.uk/2016/10/2 ... -end-back/


The club are listening to us fans and doing everything they can to re engage. Despite what some want to believe they have shown despite previous statements " the Cardiff way " etc they will still rip that up if they need to make a decision.

The club are asking what we want from match day, let's just for a minute forget any obstacles that some will put up because let's be honest it wouldn't be difficult to swap the canton with the grange end.

For me with the recent positivity, the passion being shown from the manager and players the " new era grange end " would be fantastic and a real asset for the team the club and restoring " our Cardiff " I also believe it would increase attendances.

Thoughts? Is this something people badly want or not?

This has been raised several times in the past , and I have yet to see a valid argument to support it.

Most grounds in this country and the vast majority abroad do not feel the need to have their more vociferous fans next to away fans and it has had no detrimental impact on the atmosphere at games. The atmosphere is created by the fans themselves who don`t seem to share the view of some on here (who are of course perfectly entitled to their reasoned arguments) that this switch of the type of home fans currently occupying the Grange and Canton ends of CCS would somehow improve the atmosphere.

If you just look at the atmosphere created by "ultra" type fans in Continental Europe (the likes of Germany, Spain, Italy , Poland to name just a few) it is always "loud and proud" and they don`t feel the need to "eyeball" visiting fans to generate that atmosphere.

It would be great to have this "new era" of louder home support but there is no reason why it can`t happen in its current location. Others can do it at most football grounds , so why should CCFC fans be any different?

As a former Grange ender at Ninian I can tell you that the atmosphere was created because of the need to outsing the visiting fans right next to us and in so doing the extra noise made us the 12th Man and spurred our team on. The problem in the new stadium is that the Canton stand can't really hear what the away fans are singing so consequently there is no banter and no need to raise the noise levels. Put Canton lads next to the visitors with a sensible no mans land segregation and you listen to the difference. I think this will be implemented in the near future and it's just another step forward on the Club re engaging with its supporters. Guarantee this will bring a lot of fans back too.

So how do all those other clubs in all those other countries manage to generate a great atmosphere? They don`t seem to need to rely on "banter".Why can`t CCFC fans make that extra noise themselves? Who cares what the away fans are singing? Why not just concentrate on songs and noise generally in support of the team?
If you are correct in saying that singing can`t be heard from one end of the stadium to the other , then switching fans from one end to the other just means a different half of the ground can`t hear them. What is the priority , to have a singing contest with away fans or generating noise in support of the team we all support?

[Nuclearblue]

The reason why the club went down the route of putting the Grange Enders as far from visiting fans was they were trying to distance themselves from the reputation that Ninian Park had. To make it a more plesent experience for the away fan and a new image for the club.
But after our first game at the CCS with Bristol City a mate of mine who is BCFC said to me he hated it there, his words were no atmosphere and he felt SAFE !! He said he missed feeling shit scared like he did at Ninian Park and wished we stayed there.
But the fans love a rousing atmosphere and so does the players and Managers, the away fans love banter as much as we do, so why can't we change it back ? More Police costs they say !! But the CCTV is so good they can zoom in on you reading a match programme and read the friggin text so if anyone Miss behaves then they deserve it. And with the threat of banning orders I can't see a problem. Just I feel the club is being very stubborn on this issue IMO and for once the should listen to the paying public.
West Ham ain't doing us no favours at the moment but they are having trouble every game now and that includes. Them fighting each other as well.

[bluebird58]

Absolutely not.

Football has moved on from the abuse of the 70s and 80s. We all look back with rose tinted glasses at the days of our youth, but were they really that much better? The vast silent majority of modern football fans come to games BECAUSE of the safe and comfortable atmosphere of modern football grounds.

I appreciate that is not the view of many on here, but that's the modern game. Trouble at football grounds has largely died away, but you give people a little bit of leeway and you get incidents like those which happened last night at West Ham / Chelsea.

I remember the 60s/70s/80s where you had to constantly have your wits about you so you didn't get trampled by some stupid pricks "steaming" into opposing fans, or pushing and shoving indiscriminately, not caring whether old are young were in the way.

Ultimately, you don't need away fans for atmosphere- just enthusiasm from a stadium full of home supporters!

[Ray Bishop]

No question it would improve the atmosphere, but for high profile games, it would lead to higher policing costs and we probably would get the odd occasion where things would kick off, like West Ham v Chelsea last night. Another point is for Wales home games, the atmosphere is great, yet the 'singers' are in the Canton like City games. They don't need to be close to the away fans to create that atmosphere.

[AHERNE]

Its something i would love to happen but looking at all the bollocks going on again this season with hooligans starting their shit again it`ll never happen and its plainly obvious why not too!

[redcamp legend]

The difference in atmospheres at Wales matches and continental games is that fans are not told to sit down constantly.I've just returned from watching lech Poznan in Poland,where the atmosphere is incredible.You come back to watch the City and the atmosphere is so sterile,all down to over zealous stewarding!.Wayne Nash is, and always will be, a jumped up clown!.He once told me to watch the game and stop having banter with the opposing fans....at Southampton!! Cheeky tw@t!!

[cardiff 74]

After what happened in West Ham last night you got no chance of the grang end coming back there will be more trouble there this season you watch no matter what they do there Spurs arsenal and Man Utd havnt been there yet

[nubbsy]

100% this would increase the atmosphere more than anything. Football is all about banter with the away fans and visa versa, for many it's the best part of the day!

Bring it back!

[nubbsy]

Absolutely not.

Football has moved on from the abuse of the 70s and 80s. We all look back with rose tinted glasses at the days of our youth, but were they really that much better? The vast silent majority of modern football fans come to games BECAUSE of the safe and comfortable atmosphere of modern football grounds.

I appreciate that is not the view of many on here, but that's the modern game. Trouble at football grounds has largely died away, but you give people a little bit of leeway and you get incidents like those which happened last night at West Ham / Chelsea.

I remember the 60s/70s/80s where you had to constantly have your wits about you so you didn't get trampled by some stupid pricks "steaming" into opposing fans, or pushing and shoving indiscriminately, not caring whether old are young were in the way.

Ultimately, you don't need away fans for atmosphere- just enthusiasm from a stadium full of home supporters!

Sorry mate but I'm 26 and my young teenage years were in the early 00's and the banter with the away fans was big part of why I got hooked. it's nothing to do with the hooligans in the 70's and 80's. Or anything to do with fighting for that matter. Your talking shit.
Football grounds don't need away fans.. What planet are you living on?

[cardiff 74]

100% this would increase the atmosphere more than anything. Football is all about banter with the away fans and visa versa, for many it's the best part of the day!

Bring it back!

hope it does mate but I can't see it happening

[bluebird58]

Absolutely not.

Football has moved on from the abuse of the 70s and 80s. We all look back with rose tinted glasses at the days of our youth, but were they really that much better? The vast silent majority of modern football fans come to games BECAUSE of the safe and comfortable atmosphere of modern football grounds.

I appreciate that is not the view of many on here, but that's the modern game. Trouble at football grounds has largely died away, but you give people a little bit of leeway and you get incidents like those which happened last night at West Ham / Chelsea.

I remember the 60s/70s/80s where you had to constantly have your wits about you so you didn't get trampled by some stupid pricks "steaming" into opposing fans, or pushing and shoving indiscriminately, not caring whether old are young were in the way.

Ultimately, you don't need away fans for atmosphere- just enthusiasm from a stadium full of home supporters!

Sorry mate but I'm 26 and my young teenage years were in the early 00's and the banter with the away fans was big part of why I got hooked. it's nothing to do with the hooligans in the 70's and 80's. Or anything to do with fighting for that matter. Your talking shit.
Football grounds don't need away fans.. What planet are you living on?

Perhaps no away fans is a bit extreme.

But as I head towards the 50th anniversary of my first game, I can honestly say that I have never enjoyed the match day experience as much as I have since we moved to the new stadium. It's calm, relaxing and comfortable. Now I realise that it may be anathema to many people on this board, but many people like it. It means you can bring families safely without having to worry about their safety.

A full ground and successful team will soon generate all the atmosphere you want. I respect your opinion, but in the real world, I think that most fans think much as I do.

[boyo1927]

Spot on Annis. Why is Nash so against this. Does he think it will be ww3 or something

Nash, was against the whole of Section A bottom/top tier of Ninian Park, Yet in the Top Tier,there was not an arrest for over 5 years. He wants happy clapping/American style.

I gave a list of 800 season ticket holders all signed by every fan from Sect A (Top/Bottom) and some B, from Ninian Park, all asked to sit together in the New Stadium, 6 months before we left. NO CHANCE, I won't repeat on here the words that were said.

That's so frustrating I loved being in block a and also lower grandstand beneath block a. We made some noise in those days. Nash has probably achieved his mission and more. Although against bcfc I see underlying signs that passion is still there amongst city faithful

[boyo1927]

Absolutely not.

Football has moved on from the abuse of the 70s and 80s. We all look back with rose tinted glasses at the days of our youth, but were they really that much better? The vast silent majority of modern football fans come to games BECAUSE of the safe and comfortable atmosphere of modern football grounds.

I appreciate that is not the view of many on here, but that's the modern game. Trouble at football grounds has largely died away, but you give people a little bit of leeway and you get incidents like those which happened last night at West Ham / Chelsea.

I remember the 60s/70s/80s where you had to constantly have your wits about you so you didn't get trampled by some stupid pricks "steaming" into opposing fans, or pushing and shoving indiscriminately, not caring whether old are young were in the way.

Ultimately, you don't need away fans for atmosphere- just enthusiasm from a stadium full of home supporters!

Sorry mate but I'm 26 and my young teenage years were in the early 00's and the banter with the away fans was big part of why I got hooked. it's nothing to do with the hooligans in the 70's and 80's. Or anything to do with fighting for that matter. Your talking shit.
Football grounds don't need away fans.. What planet are you living on?

Perhaps no away fans is a bit extreme.

But as I head towards the 50th anniversary of my first game, I can honestly say that I have never enjoyed the match day experience as much as I have since we moved to the new stadium. It's calm, relaxing and comfortable. Now I realise that it may be anathema to many people on this board, but many people like it. It means you can bring families safely without having to worry about their safety.

A full ground and successful team will soon generate all the atmosphere you want. I respect your opinion, but in the real world, I think that most fans think much as I do.

Respect to you as a clear city fan but with respect your age will make you like a new ground with better facilities sat down happy clapping etc. As above I got hooked on city for the singing passion and be banter with away fans. A derby every week it was wales v England. At 36 years and over 20 years following I can honestly tell u my experience of city these days is half as good as what it was. Nothing to do with hooligans or fighting just modern football has changed the whole experience. Many of my friends don't go or only odd game these were all season ticket holders but all say match day experience is not as good anymore.

If Nash won't consider then maybe we need a new stadium manager Choo!

[Blueboys1927]

Spot on Annis. Why is Nash so against this. Does he think it will be ww3 or something

Nash, was against the whole of Section A bottom/top tier of Ninian Park, Yet in the Top Tier,there was not an arrest for over 5 years. He wants happy clapping/American style.

I gave a list of 800 season ticket holders all signed by every fan from Sect A (Top/Bottom) and some B, from Ninian Park, all asked to sit together in the New Stadium, 6 months before we left. NO CHANCE, I won't repeat on here the words that were said.

They do this at the Liberty stadium, and it pains me to say this, but with the JB,s on each side of the away fans, it makes for a deafening atmosphere

[Stringfellow]

Some really valued opinions for those in favour and those against. The Welsh fans in the canton is proof that an atmosphere can reach great levels but to achieve that you have to hit the numbers which we aren't currently achieving.

No doubt about it, if your home or away the atmosphere is better when the singing sections are near each other. It's not a case of eyeballing the opposing fans as one poster put it, just banter and passion for the teams which can be heard clearly.

I personally don't think it's a big issue to change, True that high profile games would require segregation but I can't think of many incidents at the new stadium with 116/117 at its peak. I also don't think changing ends is essential more a preference.

It might however encourage our fans to sing a few different songs to the 4 they constantly sing over and over at home games. This post wasn't intended to have a moan at the club, in my opinion they are getting things right.

[ccfcsince62]

The difference in atmospheres at Wales matches and continental games is that fans are not told to sit down constantly.I've just returned from watching lech Poznan in Poland,where the atmosphere is incredible.You come back to watch the City and the atmosphere is so sterile,all down to over zealous stewarding!.Wayne Nash is, and always will be, a jumped up clown!.He once told me to watch the game and stop having banter with the opposing fans....at Southampton!! Cheeky tw@t!!

Correct me if I am wrong but our fans aren't asked to sit down in the Canton Stand.

[PhoenixBlue]

First time I've posted on here, but I recall that away games at places like The Hawthorns where we were next to the home fans (with only a thin line of stewards between us) gave a great atmosphere and made the heart beat faster.
As long as it's deemed "safe" and there's a no mans zone, then get the club to do it and let's get a better atmosphere and make the CCS a fortress to help the team and unsettle the opposition.

[ccfcsince62]

The reason why the club went down the route of putting the Grange Enders as far from visiting fans was they were trying to distance themselves from the reputation that Ninian Park had. To make it a more plesent experience for the away fan and a new image for the club.
But after our first game at the CCS with Bristol City a mate of mine who is BCFC said to me he hated it there, his words were no atmosphere and he felt SAFE !! He said he missed feeling shit scared like he did at Ninian Park and wished we stayed there.
But the fans love a rousing atmosphere and so does the players and Managers, the away fans love banter as much as we do, so why can't we change it back ? More Police costs they say !! But the CCTV is so good they can zoom in on you reading a match programme and read the friggin text so if anyone Miss behaves then they deserve it. And with the threat of banning orders I can't see a problem. Just I feel the club is being very stubborn on this issue IMO and for once the should listen to the paying public.
West Ham ain't doing us no favours at the moment but they are having trouble every game now and that includes. Them fighting each other as well.

You haven't done the argument for switching ends at the ground any favours at all. Indeed you have shown why the club should oppose it strongly. In case it hasn't registered why, your argument is that the atmosphere should change so that away fans can "enjoy" being shit scared.

As for the club listening to the paying public, surely they have by setting out the ground as the vast majority of fans prefer it?