Is it actually VT's money?

[Canton stand baz]

Has tan put his own money into Cardiff city?

When I say own money I mean from his own personal wealth!

Has he loaned the money to put in at all?

[Igovernor]

It's his own money, not loaned and not from any of his companies

[Zabier]

Hasn't he loaned it to us though so he is technically making a profit through interest? Or is that rubbish?

[Meatloaf]

Hasn't he loaned it to us though so he is technically making a profit through interest? Or is that rubbish?

There are some many things being said do any of us know

[Canton stand baz]

It's his own money, not loaned and not from any of his companies

Ok cheers.

Can he call that money back then if he walks

[pembroke allan]

of course he can! but one slight problem?? we don't have that amount money in club! cant sell stadium, players worth couple of bob, that's it! so that is not option unless he wants peanuts back? and as for poor sam he would be well and truly screwed as hes long way down pecking order for money!

[since62]

It's his own money, not loaned and not from any of his companies

That`s not true though is it?

At least part of the loans put in to CCFC Holdings has been through two offshore companies , Edgedale International and Erskine Finance. It says so in the company accounts and at Companies House.

I don`t know who owns the shares in the Singapore registered Edgedale whose registered office is an accomodation address in the business district of Singapore. Erskine is a bit more of a mystery as a UK company with an identical name was dissolved about 10 years ago and the charge document given by CCFC to that company wasn`t properly registered so where Erskine has its registered address has not been disclosed.

The above two companies are as mysterious as Langstone , so it is not correct to say all the money invested to date is VT`s personal funds.

[TopCat CCFC]

Hasn't he loaned it to us though so he is technically making a profit through interest? Or is that rubbish?

I was told that he is charging interest in the money he has put into the club.

[blueheaven]

I heard that all the money VT has put in has put him into the RED

[TopCat CCFC]

I heard that all the money VT has put in has put him into the RED

[brickyblue]

Hasn't he loaned it to us though so he is technically making a profit through interest? Or is that rubbish?

I was told that he is charging interest in the money he has put into the club.

That seems a bit vague when you say put money in the way I see it to incur interest in something that is Lent is fine but if you give money or invest then no interest is charged.

So my thinking is he has loaned us the money at 7% interest which is why the club is in 80 mil debt I think it is.

if I understand it right then its part of the reason why I dont agree with VT .iF He had turned debt into equity and stabilize the club financially which he still may do but hasnt yet then I still wouldnt accept his rebrand but I would understand why others chose to embrace it all and him.If I am right IF then why do people embrace him so willingly.

[The Griff]

It's his own money, not loaned and not from any of his companies

That`s not true though is it?

At least part of the loans put in to CCFC Holdings has been through two offshore companies , Edgedale International and Erskine Finance. It says so in the company accounts and at Companies House.

I don`t know who owns the shares in the Singapore registered Edgedale whose registered office is an accomodation address in the business district of Singapore. Erskine is a bit more of a mystery as a UK company with an identical name was dissolved about 10 years ago and the charge document given by CCFC to that company wasn`t properly registered so where Erskine has its registered address has not been disclosed.

The above two companies are as mysterious as Langstone , so it is not correct to say all the money invested to date is VT`s personal funds.

Since 62

were does peter lim live , the reds fan who tried buying liverpool ,, whats the current ceo chairman surname mate

[timdog80]

It's his own money, not loaned and not from any of his companies

That`s not true though is it?

At least part of the loans put in to CCFC Holdings has been through two offshore companies , Edgedale International and Erskine Finance. It says so in the company accounts and at Companies House.

I don`t know who owns the shares in the Singapore registered Edgedale whose registered office is an accomodation address in the business district of Singapore. Erskine is a bit more of a mystery as a UK company with an identical name was dissolved about 10 years ago and the charge document given by CCFC to that company wasn`t properly registered so where Erskine has its registered address has not been disclosed.

The above two companies are as mysterious as Langstone , so it is not correct to say all the money invested to date is VT`s personal funds.

Since 62

were does peter lim live , the reds fan who tried buying liverpool ,, whats the current ceo chairman surname mate

Aint it Simon Lim- His son??

[TopCat CCFC]

Hasn't he loaned it to us though so he is technically making a profit through interest? Or is that rubbish?

I was told that he is charging interest in the money he has put into the club.

That seems a bit vague when you say put money in the way I see it to incur interest in something that is Lent is fine but if you give money or invest then no interest is charged.

So my thinking is he has loaned us the money at 7% interest which is why the club is in 80 mil debt I think it is.

if I understand it right then its part of the reason why I dont agree with VT .iF He had turned debt into equity and stabilize the club financially which he still may do but hasnt yet then I still wouldnt accept his rebrand but I would understand why others chose to embrace it all and him.If I am right IF then why do people embrace him so willingly.

I Used the word put in as im not sure where the money has come from,but the main point here is as you say the interset rate he is charging.
As i have said to many people - VT - Is the borrower and the funder in this deal .

[The Griff]

It's his own money, not loaned and not from any of his companies

That`s not true though is it?

At least part of the loans put in to CCFC Holdings has been through two offshore companies , Edgedale International and Erskine Finance. It says so in the company accounts and at Companies House.

I don`t know who owns the shares in the Singapore registered Edgedale whose registered office is an accomodation address in the business district of Singapore. Erskine is a bit more of a mystery as a UK company with an identical name was dissolved about 10 years ago and the charge document given by CCFC to that company wasn`t properly registered so where Erskine has its registered address has not been disclosed.

The above two companies are as mysterious as Langstone , so it is not correct to say all the money invested to date is VT`s personal funds.

Since 62

were does peter lim live , the reds fan who tried buying liverpool ,, whats the current ceo chairman surname mate

Aint it Simon Lim- His son??

prob butt

[brickyblue]

Hasn't he loaned it to us though so he is technically making a profit through interest? Or is that rubbish?

I was told that he is charging interest in the money he has put into the club.

That seems a bit vague when you say put money in the way I see it to incur interest in something that is Lent is fine but if you give money or invest then no interest is charged.

So my thinking is he has loaned us the money at 7% interest which is why the club is in 80 mil debt I think it is.

if I understand it right then its part of the reason why I dont agree with VT .iF He had turned debt into equity and stabilize the club financially which he still may do but hasnt yet then I still wouldnt accept his rebrand but I would understand why others chose to embrace it all and him.If I am right IF then why do people embrace him so willingly.

I Used the word put in as im not sure where the money has come from,but the main point here is as you say the interset rate he is charging.
As i have said to many people - VT - Is the borrower and the funder in this deal .

We are all it seems starting to understand what VT has done doing not just financially but structurally aswell .

[timdog80]

It's his own money, not loaned and not from any of his companies

That`s not true though is it?

At least part of the loans put in to CCFC Holdings has been through two offshore companies , Edgedale International and Erskine Finance. It says so in the company accounts and at Companies House.

I don`t know who owns the shares in the Singapore registered Edgedale whose registered office is an accomodation address in the business district of Singapore. Erskine is a bit more of a mystery as a UK company with an identical name was dissolved about 10 years ago and the charge document given by CCFC to that company wasn`t properly registered so where Erskine has its registered address has not been disclosed.

The above two companies are as mysterious as Langstone , so it is not correct to say all the money invested to date is VT`s personal funds.

Since 62

were does peter lim live , the reds fan who tried buying liverpool ,, whats the current ceo chairman surname mate

Aint it Simon Lim- His son??

prob butt

Just checked it appears peter lims son is 19 or 20 so ITS NOT HIM

Peter Lim:
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/201 ... bn-111006/

...BUT im sure ive read there a connection between the two though??

[2blue2handle]

Did anyone care where it came from when he saved us from liquidation?

Do we ever knew? Where did SAMs money come from?

[wez1927]

Did anyone care where it came from when he saved us from liquidation?

Do we ever knew? Where did SAMs money come from?

every football owner puts there money through a company its standard practice ,ie arsenal owner is red,white ltd

[since62]

It's his own money, not loaned and not from any of his companies

That`s not true though is it?

At least part of the loans put in to CCFC Holdings has been through two offshore companies , Edgedale International and Erskine Finance. It says so in the company accounts and at Companies House.

I don`t know who owns the shares in the Singapore registered Edgedale whose registered office is an accomodation address in the business district of Singapore. Erskine is a bit more of a mystery as a UK company with an identical name was dissolved about 10 years ago and the charge document given by CCFC to that company wasn`t properly registered so where Erskine has its registered address has not been disclosed.

The above two companies are as mysterious as Langstone , so it is not correct to say all the money invested to date is VT`s personal funds.

Since 62

were does peter lim live , the reds fan who tried buying liverpool ,, whats the current ceo chairman surname mate

Aint it Simon Lim- His son??

prob butt

Just checked it appears peter lims son is 19 or 20 so ITS NOT HIM

Peter Lim:
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/201 ... bn-111006/

...BUT im sure ive read there a connection between the two though??

They are both substantial investors (i.e. at levels just under those which require a formal bid to be made for all the shares) in at least two companies in the Far East.

1. TMC Life Sciences - 31% owned by VT , 32% owned by Peter Lim.

2. Informatics Education - 27% owned by VT , 21% by PL.

There may well be more , these just come from brief initial research.

Whether or not PL has a share interest in Edgedale International or Erskine Finance I don`t know as their shareholding details and structure are currently a bit of a mystery.

Keith

[since62]

Did anyone care where it came from when he saved us from liquidation?

Do we ever knew? Where did SAMs money come from?

every football owner puts there money through a company its standard practice ,ie arsenal owner is red,white ltd

But VT has put some of his money into CCFC in his own name , including his £6m of shares. The rest (the loans)is a mix of in his own name , that of TG , VT `s son U Jian and the "mystery" companies Edgedale International Ltd and Erskine Finance Ltd.

[wez1927]

Keith is the bulk of the monies loaned from vt ,tg or family ? Or is it from the finance.companies ? ,do youthink the finance companies could be.the new directors companies who recently come on board one being the owner of the biggest pay per view channel on China ? Do you think we.will have a take over in the summer by a chinese consortium

[EL JEFE]

There is no contract verbal or written, that states any monies paid into CCFC is charged at 7% interest, I have said before thats from a friend who I trust and respect, that I would not divulge where that information came from, and I still won't, so don't ask or give me any sarcasm, I don't give a rats arse if you don't believe me, just don't insult my source.

[Bluebird1977]

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There is no contract verbal or written, that states any monies paid into CCFC is charged at 7% interest, I have said before thats from a friend who I trust and respect, that I would not divulge where that information came from, and I still won't, so don't ask or give me any sarcasm, I don't give a rats arse if you don't believe me, just don't insult my source.

Stop telling fibs then, we all know its annis behind the rebrand with all the millions from his book money and other ventures

[wez1927]

Steve borley and Alan Whitley said numerous tomes that tan and co havnt taken any money from CCFC so you could be right

[since62]

Keith is the bulk of the monies loaned from vt ,tg or family ? Or is it from the finance.companies ? ,do youthink the finance companies could be.the new directors companies who recently come on board one being the owner of the biggest pay per view channel on China ? Do you think we.will have a take over in the summer by a chinese consortium

No idea what the split is sorry. If I can eventually get hold of the accounts for the 2 offshore companies that might tell me as it should list their investments and the cost of them. Until then it would be pure guesswork.

As for a Chinese consortium taking over who knows again , but the chances of any investment at Premier League level would always be higher than at Championship level.

[wez1927]

Cheers Keith this peter lim seems to be in the background and he's got some serious money even more than tan and his chums I can see big things happening once in the premiership

[All Black Everything.]

Peter Lim also tried to buy Liverpool who also play in red. After that never happened he tried to buy a substantial stake in Manchester United which never materialised.

Peter Lim is also known for marketing Manchester United massively in Asia so if Tan is getting advice from him then it does explain why we are now red. He has a degree in accountancy so he knows the numbers game better than most of us when it comes to business as well as the laws.

[brickyblue]

Peter Lim also tried to buy Liverpool who also play in red. After that never happened he tried to buy a substantial stake in Manchester United which never materialised.

Peter Lim is also known for marketing Manchester United massively in Asia so if Tan is getting advice from him then it does explain why we are now red. He has a degree in accountancy so he knows the numbers game better than most of us when it comes to business as well as the laws.

Shame none of have a degree in football they wouldnt get an F

[Bluebird1977]

I dont think anybody cares where or whos money it is tbh