Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:10 am
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Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:56 am
pembroke allan wrote:Annis plenty in what you say but there are so many variables as to why clubs loan out players to certain clubs and not to others.... one thing never ges mentioned is clubs who take loanees do it to save money take Tommy doyle club would pay several millions for any player of his quality instead get him for percentage of his wages? Getting loans is not a simple thing to do.. why a club peseved to be challenging as better chance than another not sure why that would be case as that team may not play formation or style that would benefit player.... money is very much secondary consideration to teams like man c it's all about players development not how much club can pay ....
Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:59 am
john52 wrote:Afraid I have joined your camp in now thinking it’s time for tan to go
Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:02 pm
Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:39 pm
Forever Blue wrote:john52 wrote:Afraid I have joined your camp in now thinking it’s time for tan to go
John,
It’s time Tan moved on , every season we have been Cutting back more and more and we have struggled now for quite a while on the pitch.
Crowds are falling, at the moment 11,700 season tickets sold but many thought Bale was come.
4 years ago 23,500 season ticket holders , then 18,500, then 14,500 and so on.
Tan, Dalman and Choo have NO heart or desire for Cardiff City.
We hear a few words every couple of years.
It’s def time.
Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:44 pm
Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:44 pm
Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Annis plenty in what you say but there are so many variables as to why clubs loan out players to certain clubs and not to others.... one thing never ges mentioned is clubs who take loanees do it to save money take Tommy doyle club would pay several millions for any player of his quality instead get him for percentage of his wages? Getting loans is not a simple thing to do.. why a club peseved to be challenging as better chance than another not sure why that would be case as that team may not play formation or style that would benefit player.... money is very much secondary consideration to teams like man c it's all about players development not how much club can pay ....
Allan,
I agree , first they want to get their players to a high standard of football and clubs that look like they are going places.
Last season City struggled at first actually to do with the % they were willing to pay towards the loan players.
Clubs actually now what bigger contributions.
Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:12 pm
Large Arge wrote:Forever Blue wrote:john52 wrote:Afraid I have joined your camp in now thinking it’s time for tan to go
John,
It’s time Tan moved on , every season we have been Cutting back more and more and we have struggled now for quite a while on the pitch.
Crowds are falling, at the moment 11,700 season tickets sold but many thought Bale was come.
4 years ago 23,500 season ticket holders , then 18,500, then 14,500 and so on.
Tan, Dalman and Choo have NO heart or desire for Cardiff City.
We hear a few words every couple of years.
It’s def time.
2 weeks ago you said we’d sold 11,700 and that was before the major hype around Bale signing i.e the “It’s happening” and Bale at the Vale stories. If people bought STs on the basis of seeing Bale they’re unlikely to have been in that 11,700 figure. I’d guess we’ve crossed the 12k mark by now. How does that compare with the same time last season?
Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:22 pm
piledriver64 wrote:I’m not sure I agree on the wages point for loans.
We got Wilson for peanuts for example.
I think most Prem clubs would say they are more concerned about game time and development.
Don’t get me wrong, if a club is offering to pay more they would go for them all other factors being equal. But they certainly wouldn’t choose them if there was no agreement on a minimum amount of game time and another club would.
This is happening more and more which is why it’s so important that we show we will look after these players and have the facilities to do it well.
Sun Jul 03, 2022 3:12 pm
Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:24 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Large Arge wrote:Forever Blue wrote:john52 wrote:Afraid I have joined your camp in now thinking it’s time for tan to go
John,
It’s time Tan moved on , every season we have been Cutting back more and more and we have struggled now for quite a while on the pitch.
Crowds are falling, at the moment 11,700 season tickets sold but many thought Bale was come.
4 years ago 23,500 season ticket holders , then 18,500, then 14,500 and so on.
Tan, Dalman and Choo have NO heart or desire for Cardiff City.
We hear a few words every couple of years.
It’s def time.
2 weeks ago you said we’d sold 11,700 and that was before the major hype around Bale signing i.e the “It’s happening” and Bale at the Vale stories. If people bought STs on the basis of seeing Bale they’re unlikely to have been in that 11,700 figure. I’d guess we’ve crossed the 12k mark by now. How does that compare with the same time last season?
The Bale story had been running for weeks, so that of course helped.
I 100% never said this words it’s happening???
Nor did our club.
I haven’t asked but yes I reckon probably hit 12,000 now, I have heard it’s dried up. The season starts this month and it does look like we have sold a lot less again than last season, yet apparently everyone is supposedly very excited and looking forward to the new season and all the new players.
So yes then if that’s true ? Then I would expect us to have sold say 16,000 season tickets.
They were very very good value and had not gone up in price yet again.
Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:39 pm
Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:46 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Annis plenty in what you say but there are so many variables as to why clubs loan out players to certain clubs and not to others.... one thing never ges mentioned is clubs who take loanees do it to save money take Tommy doyle club would pay several millions for any player of his quality instead get him for percentage of his wages? Getting loans is not a simple thing to do.. why a club peseved to be challenging as better chance than another not sure why that would be case as that team may not play formation or style that would benefit player.... money is very much secondary consideration to teams like man c it's all about players development not how much club can pay ....
Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:58 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Annis plenty in what you say but there are so many variables as to why clubs loan out players to certain clubs and not to others.... one thing never ges mentioned is clubs who take loanees do it to save money take Tommy doyle club would pay several millions for any player of his quality instead get him for percentage of his wages? Getting loans is not a simple thing to do.. why a club peseved to be challenging as better chance than another not sure why that would be case as that team may not play formation or style that would benefit player.... money is very much secondary consideration to teams like man c it's all about players development not how much club can pay ....
We lost out to Ryan Giles because of our style of play under Morison. He came to us with McCarthy as manager and he did ok but I felt under Morison he did better. Wolves didn't think so and sent him to Blackburn where he did nothing at all. Wolves made a mess of that one.
Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:08 pm
Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:54 am
Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:03 am
Bluebird1977 wrote:People won't remember we have no decent money or wages apparently but we have been told this from above.
Although the manager will get the blame that's how the football fan works in most cases. You can not polish a turd in to a diamond in most cases. As the saying goes you get what you pay for unless you get spanked with a deal which we have had many of them why we are in this situation I'm guessing.
On paper we are near the bottom in my option but let's hope myself and others are wrong. I won't be crying about it nore not going just because we have not spend millions like some or not in the top 6 by Xmas. It is what it is. I've seen much worse days but for some they know nothing different so expect the world.
11 players giving there all on the pitch all we can ask for if they have not had championship experience which we have many new signings in that boat then I expect it to be hard but we shall see.
Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:42 am
Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:57 pm
Bluebina wrote:Bluebird1977 wrote:People won't remember we have no decent money or wages apparently but we have been told this from above.
Although the manager will get the blame that's how the football fan works in most cases. You can not polish a turd in to a diamond in most cases. As the saying goes you get what you pay for unless you get spanked with a deal which we have had many of them why we are in this situation I'm guessing.
On paper we are near the bottom in my option but let's hope myself and others are wrong. I won't be crying about it nore not going just because we have not spend millions like some or not in the top 6 by Xmas. It is what it is. I've seen much worse days but for some they know nothing different so expect the world.
11 players giving there all on the pitch all we can ask for if they have not had championship experience which we have many new signings in that boat then I expect it to be hard but we shall see.
At the minute, where is the flair and strikers who will replace the likes of players like Harry Wilson (season before I know but was brilliant) Dramah, Doyle, Moore Hugill. The midfield looks solid on paper and hard working but is there anyone with flair to put the ball through, and there is no one to score even if they do?
We need probably five players two strikers at least!!!