Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:22 am
Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:09 am
Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:16 am
Tony Blue Williams wrote:Fortunately there is evidence that the jobs market is recovering.
However, there is going to be a lot of pain before the economy fully recovers.
Personally I would send China a £500billion bill
Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:49 am
Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:50 am
Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:10 am
Wayne S wrote:There is still a large financial support for furloughed employees right through to October and the scheme itself has been a job saver for many.
I assume the "Numpties" line is to do with dealing with lockdown as I think the furlough schemes has been successful.
I think I am right in saying that the 80% government paid salary will reduce to 70% for July and then 60% for August and September. With the hope being that nearly all companies will be partially up and running again.
Are you seeing any industries that will still be fully closed down come August / September?
Remember that Self-employed individuals will still get 80% SEISS right through to October
Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:19 am
Wayne S wrote:There is still a large financial support for furloughed employees right through to October and the scheme itself has been a job saver for many.
I assume the "Numpties" line is to do with dealing with lockdown as I think the furlough schemes has been successful.
I think I am right in saying that the 80% government paid salary will reduce to 70% for July and then 60% for August and September. With the hope being that nearly all companies will be partially up and running again.
Are you seeing any industries that will still be fully closed down come August / September?
Remember that Self-employed individuals will still get 80% SEISS right through to October
Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:28 am
Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:32 pm
skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:There is still a large financial support for furloughed employees right through to October......
yep...you make it sound as if its been just one long holiday
Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:17 pm
Wayne S wrote:skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:There is still a large financial support for furloughed employees right through to October......
yep...you make it sound as if its been just one long holiday
That was absolutely not my intention AT ALL.
I was trying to project that there is enough support for businesses to keep on employees until they are fully back in business.
I assure you I am fully aware, first hand, that the longer furlough went on the more chance there was for staff to lose their jobs and it was no way a holiday.
Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:11 pm
skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:There is still a large financial support for furloughed employees right through to October......
yep...you make it sound as if its been just one long holiday
That was absolutely not my intention AT ALL.
I was trying to project that there is enough support for businesses to keep on employees until they are fully back in business.
I assure you I am fully aware, first hand, that the longer furlough went on the more chance there was for staff to lose their jobs and it was no way a holiday.
people have lost their businesses and even homes and many receiving furlough now will not have jobs to go back too..... some businesses have been supported adequately , some have done very well out of this but others not so.... i know of 3rd generation businesses that are not going to survive and plenty who have kept furloughing staff they know full well they will not need for years if ever....i hope its not going to be as bad i i think it might be.. but the its ok as business is being supported and we have furlough just isnt correct....
Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:13 am
Wayne S wrote:skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:There is still a large financial support for furloughed employees right through to October......
yep...you make it sound as if its been just one long holiday
That was absolutely not my intention AT ALL.
I was trying to project that there is enough support for businesses to keep on employees until they are fully back in business.
I assure you I am fully aware, first hand, that the longer furlough went on the more chance there was for staff to lose their jobs and it was no way a holiday.
people have lost their businesses and even homes and many receiving furlough now will not have jobs to go back too..... some businesses have been supported adequately , some have done very well out of this but others not so.... i know of 3rd generation businesses that are not going to survive and plenty who have kept furloughing staff they know full well they will not need for years if ever....i hope its not going to be as bad i i think it might be.. but the its ok as business is being supported and we have furlough just isnt correct....
Yeah, I'm obviously not getting my point across at all. I am totally with you concerning the cost that has already been felt.
I am (trying) to say that, I (HOPE) there is enough support still for businesses to keep the staff they still have until we are through this.
Obviously the extended lockdown is not helping and can only hope that businesses can start again when some sort of normality returns.
I'm not sure what else could have been done financially to support businesses. It's tha management of the pandemic itself that caused the extended issues with businesses.
Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:11 am
TheHangedMan wrote:Wayne S wrote:skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:There is still a large financial support for furloughed employees right through to October......
yep...you make it sound as if its been just one long holiday
That was absolutely not my intention AT ALL.
I was trying to project that there is enough support for businesses to keep on employees until they are fully back in business.
I assure you I am fully aware, first hand, that the longer furlough went on the more chance there was for staff to lose their jobs and it was no way a holiday.
people have lost their businesses and even homes and many receiving furlough now will not have jobs to go back too..... some businesses have been supported adequately , some have done very well out of this but others not so.... i know of 3rd generation businesses that are not going to survive and plenty who have kept furloughing staff they know full well they will not need for years if ever....i hope its not going to be as bad i i think it might be.. but the its ok as business is being supported and we have furlough just isnt correct....
Yeah, I'm obviously not getting my point across at all. I am totally with you concerning the cost that has already been felt.
I am (trying) to say that, I (HOPE) there is enough support still for businesses to keep the staff they still have until we are through this.
Obviously the extended lockdown is not helping and can only hope that businesses can start again when some sort of normality returns.
I'm not sure what else could have been done financially to support businesses. It's tha management of the pandemic itself that caused the extended issues with businesses.
I agree with you Wayne on the point that the furlough scheme has worked well and kept people in employment.
My fear is, and fuelled by business owners who are now asking me questions about furlough percentages and the cost to their companies, that the hammer is hovering and will ultimately come down.
My guesstimate, with the companies that I serve, will be about 75% - 80% of the original workforce will be retained.
I hope I am wrong but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:51 am
Bluebina wrote:TheHangedMan wrote:Wayne S wrote:skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:There is still a large financial support for furloughed employees right through to October......
yep...you make it sound as if its been just one long holiday
That was absolutely not my intention AT ALL.
I was trying to project that there is enough support for businesses to keep on employees until they are fully back in business.
I assure you I am fully aware, first hand, that the longer furlough went on the more chance there was for staff to lose their jobs and it was no way a holiday.
people have lost their businesses and even homes and many receiving furlough now will not have jobs to go back too..... some businesses have been supported adequately , some have done very well out of this but others not so.... i know of 3rd generation businesses that are not going to survive and plenty who have kept furloughing staff they know full well they will not need for years if ever....i hope its not going to be as bad i i think it might be.. but the its ok as business is being supported and we have furlough just isnt correct....
Yeah, I'm obviously not getting my point across at all. I am totally with you concerning the cost that has already been felt.
I am (trying) to say that, I (HOPE) there is enough support still for businesses to keep the staff they still have until we are through this.
Obviously the extended lockdown is not helping and can only hope that businesses can start again when some sort of normality returns.
I'm not sure what else could have been done financially to support businesses. It's tha management of the pandemic itself that caused the extended issues with businesses.
I agree with you Wayne on the point that the furlough scheme has worked well and kept people in employment.
My fear is, and fuelled by business owners who are now asking me questions about furlough percentages and the cost to their companies, that the hammer is hovering and will ultimately come down.
My guesstimate, with the companies that I serve, will be about 75% - 80% of the original workforce will be retained.
I hope I am wrong but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.
It's sad but that sounds about right, it's given lots of business's a time to restructure and work out what they need. Hopefully if the bounce back is as quick as they are predicating a lot of them will be reemploying staff in the years ahead.
It's been a good time for your builder and landscaping clients hasn't it?
Everywhere I go there is work going on and every other post on FB is someone asking for a builder!
Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:04 pm
Bluebina wrote:TheHangedMan wrote:Wayne S wrote:skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:There is still a large financial support for furloughed employees right through to October......
yep...you make it sound as if its been just one long holiday
That was absolutely not my intention AT ALL.
I was trying to project that there is enough support for businesses to keep on employees until they are fully back in business.
I assure you I am fully aware, first hand, that the longer furlough went on the more chance there was for staff to lose their jobs and it was no way a holiday.
people have lost their businesses and even homes and many receiving furlough now will not have jobs to go back too..... some businesses have been supported adequately , some have done very well out of this but others not so.... i know of 3rd generation businesses that are not going to survive and plenty who have kept furloughing staff they know full well they will not need for years if ever....i hope its not going to be as bad i i think it might be.. but the its ok as business is being supported and we have furlough just isnt correct....
Yeah, I'm obviously not getting my point across at all. I am totally with you concerning the cost that has already been felt.
I am (trying) to say that, I (HOPE) there is enough support still for businesses to keep the staff they still have until we are through this.
Obviously the extended lockdown is not helping and can only hope that businesses can start again when some sort of normality returns.
I'm not sure what else could have been done financially to support businesses. It's tha management of the pandemic itself that caused the extended issues with businesses.
I agree with you Wayne on the point that the furlough scheme has worked well and kept people in employment.
My fear is, and fuelled by business owners who are now asking me questions about furlough percentages and the cost to their companies, that the hammer is hovering and will ultimately come down.
My guesstimate, with the companies that I serve, will be about 75% - 80% of the original workforce will be retained.
I hope I am wrong but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.
It's sad but that sounds about right, it's given lots of business's a time to restructure and work out what they need. Hopefully if the bounce back is as quick as they are predicating a lot of them will be reemploying staff in the years ahead.
It's been a good time for your builder and landscaping clients hasn't it?
Everywhere I go there is work going on and every other post on FB is someone asking for a builder!
Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:17 am
skidemin wrote:Bluebina wrote:TheHangedMan wrote:Wayne S wrote:skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:There is still a large financial support for furloughed employees right through to October......
yep...you make it sound as if its been just one long holiday
That was absolutely not my intention AT ALL.
I was trying to project that there is enough support for businesses to keep on employees until they are fully back in business.
I assure you I am fully aware, first hand, that the longer furlough went on the more chance there was for staff to lose their jobs and it was no way a holiday.
people have lost their businesses and even homes and many receiving furlough now will not have jobs to go back too..... some businesses have been supported adequately , some have done very well out of this but others not so.... i know of 3rd generation businesses that are not going to survive and plenty who have kept furloughing staff they know full well they will not need for years if ever....i hope its not going to be as bad i i think it might be.. but the its ok as business is being supported and we have furlough just isnt correct....
Yeah, I'm obviously not getting my point across at all. I am totally with you concerning the cost that has already been felt.
I am (trying) to say that, I (HOPE) there is enough support still for businesses to keep the staff they still have until we are through this.
Obviously the extended lockdown is not helping and can only hope that businesses can start again when some sort of normality returns.
I'm not sure what else could have been done financially to support businesses. It's tha management of the pandemic itself that caused the extended issues with businesses.
I agree with you Wayne on the point that the furlough scheme has worked well and kept people in employment.
My fear is, and fuelled by business owners who are now asking me questions about furlough percentages and the cost to their companies, that the hammer is hovering and will ultimately come down.
My guesstimate, with the companies that I serve, will be about 75% - 80% of the original workforce will be retained.
I hope I am wrong but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.
It's sad but that sounds about right, it's given lots of business's a time to restructure and work out what they need. Hopefully if the bounce back is as quick as they are predicating a lot of them will be reemploying staff in the years ahead.
It's been a good time for your builder and landscaping clients hasn't it?
Everywhere I go there is work going on and every other post on FB is someone asking for a builder!
restructure... for those worse effected its been stop start stop semi start stop for 15 months...more a case of guessing than restructuring... personally had i known 15 months ago where we would be now i would be financially much better off.. i based decisions on 3 months, then 6 , then xmas, then spring and now here we are still not really knowing what next or for how long... .not complaining about finances too much because i am in a position where i can retire and i know plenty worse off than i am. but how does anyone make informed decisions without information.... and for that reason i think the restructuring line is a bit of a myth... . your 100 per cent correct on builders and gardeners etc ... but all this spare income from furlough and grants along with not holidaying, not socialising and buying clothes for both etc ? how long does that last and all this renovating and patio laying now, is it extra or is it the work they would otherwise be doing over the next 2/3 years ... for some its been impossible to make medium let alone long term plans and looking forward ... will freedom day actually happen...if so how long will it last ..will there be more lockdowns. restrictions . ? none of us know
really hope that we get back to proper normal long term and there is an enormous bounce back... but im doubting it more and more as time goes on... not least of all because how easy politicians are now finding it to play simon says with the population... they are not even bothering saying that they are following the science anymore
Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:36 am
Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:07 am
skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:There is still a large financial support for furloughed employees right through to October and the scheme itself has been a job saver for many.
I assume the "Numpties" line is to do with dealing with lockdown as I think the furlough schemes has been successful.
I think I am right in saying that the 80% government paid salary will reduce to 70% for July and then 60% for August and September. With the hope being that nearly all companies will be partially up and running again.
Are you seeing any industries that will still be fully closed down come August / September?
Remember that Self-employed individuals will still get 80% SEISS right through to October
yep...you make it sound as if its been just one long holiday
Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:20 pm
Sven wrote:skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:There is still a large financial support for furloughed employees right through to October and the scheme itself has been a job saver for many.
I assume the "Numpties" line is to do with dealing with lockdown as I think the furlough schemes has been successful.
I think I am right in saying that the 80% government paid salary will reduce to 70% for July and then 60% for August and September. With the hope being that nearly all companies will be partially up and running again.
Are you seeing any industries that will still be fully closed down come August / September?
Remember that Self-employed individuals will still get 80% SEISS right through to October
yep...you make it sound as if its been just one long holiday
Step in B£ue £agoon; the Forum's Martin Lewis and Judith Chalmers rolled into one (not a nice sight, I'm sure)
On a more serious note, I feel for anyone on furlough who are just being hoodwinked by their employers through no real fault of either party; the companies that have lost so much business and revenue. The Hanged Man seems to have an inside knowledge and there will certainly be some pain before gain
Hard to apportion 'blame' or to say employers are using the furlough end as an 'excuse' to shred jobs, as those who have kept people on under furlough may well have done those employees and their families a favour in recent months
I wish anyone affected good luck and a speedy return to employment
Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:32 pm
TheHangedMan wrote:Sven wrote:skidemin wrote:Wayne S wrote:There is still a large financial support for furloughed employees right through to October and the scheme itself has been a job saver for many.
I assume the "Numpties" line is to do with dealing with lockdown as I think the furlough schemes has been successful.
I think I am right in saying that the 80% government paid salary will reduce to 70% for July and then 60% for August and September. With the hope being that nearly all companies will be partially up and running again.
Are you seeing any industries that will still be fully closed down come August / September?
Remember that Self-employed individuals will still get 80% SEISS right through to October
yep...you make it sound as if its been just one long holiday
Step in B£ue £agoon; the Forum's Martin Lewis and Judith Chalmers rolled into one (not a nice sight, I'm sure)
On a more serious note, I feel for anyone on furlough who are just being hoodwinked by their employers through no real fault of either party; the companies that have lost so much business and revenue. The Hanged Man seems to have an inside knowledge and there will certainly be some pain before gain
Hard to apportion 'blame' or to say employers are using the furlough end as an 'excuse' to shred jobs, as those who have kept people on under furlough may well have done those employees and their families a favour in recent months
I wish anyone affected good luck and a speedy return to employment
Bang on the nail Chris, after running the June payroll figures for my larger companies (50-100 employees), the hammer falls. Furlough drops to 70% government 10% employer in July and then 60%-20% August & September when the scheme ends.
I've been asked to prepare redundancy notices for 8-10% of employees for 3 different companies, their employment will cease at the end of July.......saddening.
It's such a waste, the main problem being the business uncertainty of us getting back to normality. This Government have blood on their hands, and unfortunately have, and continue to, ruined many lives.
These businesses believed the Government at the back end of last year inferring that the vaccine was the silver bullet......we are no further forward regarding normal freedoms and unfortunately many will pay with their jobs through no fault of their own.