Can we "do a Wigan?"

Before anyone says it: Yes, I know that Wigan went down last year!

What I mean is that Wigan, especially under Martinez built a reputation for tenacity under huge odds. They seemed to be doomed at times but always (except last year) managed to survive. This is the sort of determination The Bluebirds need from now until the final whistle of the final game.

Talk of 8 to 9 points is probably mega safe because the threshold for survival is likely to be very low this year. The one thing that can't happen is teams around us to beat top clubs and of course us!

We have quality players and a very motivated manager so it's up to the 12th man to make a difference like the home crowd in that first magical game against Man City. Capture that and we have a great chance.

Now assuming we stay, next season needs to be one of stability and development. We are likely to lose a couple of stars to bigger clubs so scouting will be key.




<12th man

I hope we stay up but we could have easily had this stability you're talking about this season, but Tan chose to destabilise things. If we go down it is all Vincent Tan's fault, no doubt about that whatsoever imo.

I hope we stay up but we could have easily had this stability you're talking about this season, but Tan chose to destabilise things. If we go down it is all Vincent Tan's fault, no doubt about that whatsoever imo.

my heads been in the shed for about a month worrying about relegation.......clean forgot to check the oil in my car, f*cking engine seized this afternoon..im in,hes a wanker

I hope we stay up but we could have easily had this stability you're talking about this season, but Tan chose to destabilise things. If we go down it is all Vincent Tan's fault, no doubt about that whatsoever imo.

It's not the last minute goals we conceded but tans fault

I hope we stay up but we could have easily had this stability you're talking about this season, but Tan chose to destabilise things. If we go down it is all Vincent Tan's fault, no doubt about that whatsoever imo.

It's not the last minute goals we conceded but tans fault

The last minute goals were a result of several off the pitch disruptions leading to disjointed performances caused by team interference and a drastic transformation of management and playing style. All Tan's fault.

I hope we stay up but we could have easily had this stability you're talking about this season, but Tan chose to destabilise things. If we go down it is all Vincent Tan's fault, no doubt about that whatsoever imo.

was the relationship between the owner and manager stable?
i often read on here that a previous manager had lost the changing room and therefore that was a valid excuse to get rid.
surely that extends to the owner manager relationship, ?

I hope we stay up but we could have easily had this stability you're talking about this season, but Tan chose to destabilise things. If we go down it is all Vincent Tan's fault, no doubt about that whatsoever imo.

It's not the last minute goals we conceded but tans fault

The last minute goals were a result of several off the pitch disruptions leading to disjointed performances caused by team interference and a drastic transformation of management and playing style. All Tan's fault.

So it only affected them in the 93rd minute.
Is it also tans fault that we haven't had a pen all season.
Don't talk so f*cking wet.

I hope we stay up but we could have easily had this stability you're talking about this season, but Tan chose to destabilise things. If we go down it is all Vincent Tan's fault, no doubt about that whatsoever imo.

It's not the last minute goals we conceded but tans fault

The last minute goals were a result of several off the pitch disruptions leading to disjointed performances caused by team interference and a drastic transformation of management and playing style. All Tan's fault.

ah rite got it. so Tan equalised last Saturday?
Matts will be pissed, 1st prem goal an all

I hope we stay up but we could have easily had this stability you're talking about this season, but Tan chose to destabilise things. If we go down it is all Vincent Tan's fault, no doubt about that whatsoever imo.

It's not the last minute goals we conceded but tans fault

The last minute goals were a result of several off the pitch disruptions leading to disjointed performances caused by team interference and a drastic transformation of management and playing style. All Tan's fault.

So it only affected them in the 93rd minute.
Is it also tans fault that we haven't had a pen all season.
Don't talk so f*cking wet.

Of course, all 61 goals we have conceded this season have all been in the 93rd minute! What an idiot.

I hope we stay up but we could have easily had this stability you're talking about this season, but Tan chose to destabilise things. If we go down it is all Vincent Tan's fault, no doubt about that whatsoever imo.

It's not the last minute goals we conceded but tans fault

The last minute goals were a result of several off the pitch disruptions leading to disjointed performances caused by team interference and a drastic transformation of management and playing style. All Tan's fault.

ah rite got it. so Tan equalised last Saturday?
Matts will be pissed, 1st prem goal an all

You haven't understood my post have you. I'm saying the reason we've conceded so many goals and lost so many games this season is because of Tan's interference disjointing things. If we had stability this season, we would be higher up the table without a doubt imo.

Before anyone says it: Yes, I know that Wigan went down last year!

What I mean is that Wigan, especially under Martinez built a reputation for tenacity under huge odds. They seemed to be doomed at times but always (except last year) managed to survive. This is the sort of determination The Bluebirds need from now until the final whistle of the final game.

Talk of 8 to 9 points is probably mega safe because the threshold for survival is likely to be very low this year. The one thing that can't happen is teams around us to beat top clubs and of course us!

We have quality players and a very motivated manager so it's up to the 12th man to make a difference like the home crowd in that first magical game against Man City. Capture that and we have a great chance.

Now assuming we stay, next season needs to be one of stability and development. We are likely to lose a couple of stars to bigger clubs so scouting will be key.




<12th man

Lets hope so

I hope we stay up but we could have easily had this stability you're talking about this season, but Tan chose to destabilise things. If we go down it is all Vincent Tan's fault, no doubt about that whatsoever imo.

It's not the last minute goals we conceded but tans fault

The last minute goals were a result of several off the pitch disruptions leading to disjointed performances caused by team interference and a drastic transformation of management and playing style. All Tan's fault.

ah rite got it. so Tan equalised last Saturday?
Matts will be pissed, 1st prem goal an all

You haven't understood my post have you. I'm saying the reason we've conceded so many goals and lost so many games this season is because of Tan's interference disjointing things. If we had stability this season, we would be higher up the table without a doubt imo.

No it's not. Liverpool and Southampton you have a case with but not most of our matches (I doubt we'd have won them anyway without the interference maybe a point out of Southampton and that is it) The reason we have been so bad this season is poor transfers and naive tactics.

Don't think we can stay up if I'm honest but am slightly more optimistic than immediately after the hull debacle. I am just hoping we start our remaining home games at least, like we did against liverpool. we have started poor in a lot of games and it as set us back. At least we look like scoring now so there is always a chance just wish ole settles on his back 4 or 5 and sticks to it till the end of season barring injury of coyrse

I believe we can.... Beating Palace Saturday would mean we need 1 more win than them in last 5 matches.... C'mon City!

I don't believe it's palace we are going to catch it I think we target the 3 wins which will be hard but more realistic than the four I've seen on here. Then west brom and perhaps Norwich will drop below us. Pulis is a clever manager and will get the results needed

I hope we stay up but we could have easily had this stability you're talking about this season, but Tan chose to destabilise things. If we go down it is all Vincent Tan's fault, no doubt about that whatsoever imo.

It's not the last minute goals we conceded but tans fault

The last minute goals were a result of several off the pitch disruptions leading to disjointed performances caused by team interference and a drastic transformation of management and playing style. All Tan's fault.

Are you serious the things you come out with or do you say things for comedy value?

I hope we stay up but we could have easily had this stability you're talking about this season, but Tan chose to destabilise things. If we go down it is all Vincent Tan's fault, no doubt about that whatsoever imo.

It's not the last minute goals we conceded but tans fault

The last minute goals were a result of several off the pitch disruptions leading to disjointed performances caused by team interference and a drastic transformation of management and playing style. All Tan's fault.

Are you serious the things you come out with or do you say things for comedy value?

If we go down its as simple as the players weren't good enough we can point to off field distractions which I agree haven't helped but we didn't strengthen wisely in the summer and many players didn't make the transition from championship to premiership like we thought they would.

The last minute goals were a result of several off the pitch disruptions leading to disjointed performances caused by team interference and a drastic transformation of management and playing style. All Tan's fault.

Going by that then, should we stay up, that will all be down to Vincent Tan too?

I think we have a realistic chance of survival this season, lots depends on how Norwich do in their next 2 games, if they dont get 6 points, they could find themselves bang in trouble, Sunderland are the team to beat when we play them at their place, I think we could be on the verge of the great escape, all we need is Ole to address our defensive fratalites and stick with a back 4 for the rest of the season, the time for trying out new systems is over!

I hope we stay up but we could have easily had this stability you're talking about this season, but Tan chose to destabilise things. If we go down it is all Vincent Tan's fault, no doubt about that whatsoever imo.

It's not the last minute goals we conceded but tans fault

The last minute goals were a result of several off the pitch disruptions leading to disjointed performances caused by team interference and a drastic transformation of management and playing style. All Tan's fault.

Are you serious the things you come out with or do you say things for comedy value?

I know you're 100% pro Tan, but if you seriously don't think Tan's disruptions, interference and decisions have had a negative impact on some of our performances and overall league table position, you're even thicker than I thought.

The last minute goals were a result of several off the pitch disruptions leading to disjointed performances caused by team interference and a drastic transformation of management and playing style. All Tan's fault.

Going by that then, should we stay up, that will all be down to Vincent Tan too?

A bit of a bizarre commnt to make considering it's Tan's fault we're where we are in the first place. If we stay up, it will be in spite of Tan, not because of Tan. I thank Tan for giving us the funds to assemble our current squad, but that's all been undone with his disruptive actions this season. We started the season fine before Tan started interfering, that is a fact.

I hope we stay up but we could have easily had this stability you're talking about this season, but Tan chose to destabilise things. If we go down it is all Vincent Tan's fault, no doubt about that whatsoever imo.

It's not the last minute goals we conceded but tans fault

The last minute goals were a result of several off the pitch disruptions leading to disjointed performances caused by team interference and a drastic transformation of management and playing style. All Tan's fault.

Off the field disruptions? 50% made up 40% exaggerated 10%

I think Malky, Tan and Ole will all have to take responsibility.

Malky just wasnt up to it and wasted a load of money
Tan took to long to sack Malky
Ole hasnt been able to turn it around quick enough.

I think Malky, Tan and Ole will all have to take responsibility.

Malky just wasnt up to it and wasted a load of money
Tan took to long to sack Malky
Ole hasnt been able to turn it around quick enough.

We were never in the relegation zone under Malky apart from the first day of the season. We started the season well and we were doing fine until Tan started interfering. Still, we beat West Brom 1-0 and Malky keeps us above the relegation zone without any major concerns. Then what happens? The email, Kerslake stepping in to the interview at the last second, questions about Malky's future, more disruption causing the 3-0 Southampton defeat and once the damage was done by Tan, Malky was then sacked.

We then throw away 2 crucial points home to Sunderland, then when Ole is appointed, we lose home to West Ham and fall into the relegation zone. You say Ole hasn't been able to turn it around quick enough? We have fallen into the relegation zone and haven't been able to get out since Ole took charge! This isn't Ole's fault however. Malky did his bit keeping us above the relegation zone. But the problem is all Tan. Ole's style is the exact opposite to Malky. Malky likes his teams to be an organised, disciplined unit who can stick to a game plan to achieve results. Ole prefers to play more open, expansive football which allows us to create and score more, but leaves us vulnerable at the back.

It was absolute madness by Tan to bring in a manager who plays this style of football against superior teams with superior players. It's absolute crazy, especially half way through the season where there's little opportunity to turn the playing squad around! This is why we are where we are. Ole can't change his style, he sticks to his methods and beliefs that brought him success with Molde in the past and rightly so. But it's Tan's fault for putting Ole into this position. I firmly believe we would have stayed up under Malky. But I will not blame Ole if we get relegated, there will only be one man to blame in my opinion and that's Tan.

I think Malky, Tan and Ole will all have to take responsibility.

Malky just wasnt up to it and wasted a load of money
Tan took to long to sack Malky
Ole hasnt been able to turn it around quick enough.

We were never in the relegation zone under Malky apart from the first day of the season. We started the season well and we were doing fine until Tan started interfering. Still, we beat West Brom 1-0 and Malky keeps us above the relegation zone without any major concerns. Then what happens? The email, Kerslake stepping in to the interview at the last second, questions about Malky's future, more disruption causing the 3-0 Southampton defeat and once the damage was done by Tan, Malky was then sacked.

We then throw away 2 crucial points home to Sunderland, then when Ole is appointed, we lose home to West Ham and fall into the relegation zone. You say Ole hasn't been able to turn it around quick enough? We have fallen into the relegation zone and haven't been able to get out since Ole took charge! This isn't Ole's fault however. Malky did his bit keeping us above the relegation zone. But the problem is all Tan. Ole's style is the exact opposite to Malky. Malky likes his teams to be an organised, disciplined unit who can stick to a game plan to achieve results. Ole prefers to play more open, expansive football which allows us to create and score more, but leaves us vulnerable at the back.

It was absolute madness by Tan to bring in a manager who plays this style of football against superior teams with superior players. It's absolute crazy, especially half way through the season where there's little opportunity to turn the playing squad around! This is why we are where we are. Ole can't change his style, he sticks to his methods and beliefs that brought him success with Molde in the past and rightly so. But it's Tan's fault for putting Ole into this position. I firmly believe we would have stayed up under Malky. But I will not blame Ole if we get relegated, there will only be one man to blame in my opinion and that's Tan.

On August 24th we were in 19th place, get your facts right


http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matc ... _STANDINGS

No we cant - sadly we are going down and we cant win the FA cup

I think Malky, Tan and Ole will all have to take responsibility.

Malky just wasnt up to it and wasted a load of money
Tan took to long to sack Malky
Ole hasnt been able to turn it around quick enough.

We were never in the relegation zone under Malky apart from the first day of the season. We started the season well and we were doing fine until Tan started interfering. Still, we beat West Brom 1-0 and Malky keeps us above the relegation zone without any major concerns. Then what happens? The email, Kerslake stepping in to the interview at the last second, questions about Malky's future, more disruption causing the 3-0 Southampton defeat and once the damage was done by Tan, Malky was then sacked.

We then throw away 2 crucial points home to Sunderland, then when Ole is appointed, we lose home to West Ham and fall into the relegation zone. You say Ole hasn't been able to turn it around quick enough? We have fallen into the relegation zone and haven't been able to get out since Ole took charge! This isn't Ole's fault however. Malky did his bit keeping us above the relegation zone. But the problem is all Tan. Ole's style is the exact opposite to Malky. Malky likes his teams to be an organised, disciplined unit who can stick to a game plan to achieve results. Ole prefers to play more open, expansive football which allows us to create and score more, but leaves us vulnerable at the back.

It was absolute madness by Tan to bring in a manager who plays this style of football against superior teams with superior players. It's absolute crazy, especially half way through the season where there's little opportunity to turn the playing squad around! This is why we are where we are. Ole can't change his style, he sticks to his methods and beliefs that brought him success with Molde in the past and rightly so. But it's Tan's fault for putting Ole into this position. I firmly believe we would have stayed up under Malky. But I will not blame Ole if we get relegated, there will only be one man to blame in my opinion and that's Tan.

On August 24th we were in 19th place, get your facts right


http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matc ... _STANDINGS

Lets move it on a day after we win our game in hand against Man City shall we.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matc ... _STANDINGS

I think Malky, Tan and Ole will all have to take responsibility.

Malky just wasnt up to it and wasted a load of money
Tan took to long to sack Malky
Ole hasnt been able to turn it around quick enough.

We were never in the relegation zone under Malky apart from the first day of the season. We started the season well and we were doing fine until Tan started interfering. Still, we beat West Brom 1-0 and Malky keeps us above the relegation zone without any major concerns. Then what happens? The email, Kerslake stepping in to the interview at the last second, questions about Malky's future, more disruption causing the 3-0 Southampton defeat and once the damage was done by Tan, Malky was then sacked.

We then throw away 2 crucial points home to Sunderland, then when Ole is appointed, we lose home to West Ham and fall into the relegation zone. You say Ole hasn't been able to turn it around quick enough? We have fallen into the relegation zone and haven't been able to get out since Ole took charge! This isn't Ole's fault however. Malky did his bit keeping us above the relegation zone. But the problem is all Tan. Ole's style is the exact opposite to Malky. Malky likes his teams to be an organised, disciplined unit who can stick to a game plan to achieve results. Ole prefers to play more open, expansive football which allows us to create and score more, but leaves us vulnerable at the back.

It was absolute madness by Tan to bring in a manager who plays this style of football against superior teams with superior players. It's absolute crazy, especially half way through the season where there's little opportunity to turn the playing squad around! This is why we are where we are. Ole can't change his style, he sticks to his methods and beliefs that brought him success with Molde in the past and rightly so. But it's Tan's fault for putting Ole into this position. I firmly believe we would have stayed up under Malky. But I will not blame Ole if we get relegated, there will only be one man to blame in my opinion and that's Tan.

On August 24th we were in 19th place, get your facts right


http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matc ... _STANDINGS

Lets move it on a day after we win our game in hand against Man City shall we.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matc ... _STANDINGS

NO because you didn't say that in the first place, you got it wrong just live with it

I think Malky, Tan and Ole will all have to take responsibility.

Malky just wasnt up to it and wasted a load of money
Tan took to long to sack Malky
Ole hasnt been able to turn it around quick enough.

We were never in the relegation zone under Malky apart from the first day of the season. We started the season well and we were doing fine until Tan started interfering. Still, we beat West Brom 1-0 and Malky keeps us above the relegation zone without any major concerns. Then what happens? The email, Kerslake stepping in to the interview at the last second, questions about Malky's future, more disruption causing the 3-0 Southampton defeat and once the damage was done by Tan, Malky was then sacked.

We then throw away 2 crucial points home to Sunderland, then when Ole is appointed, we lose home to West Ham and fall into the relegation zone. You say Ole hasn't been able to turn it around quick enough? We have fallen into the relegation zone and haven't been able to get out since Ole took charge! This isn't Ole's fault however. Malky did his bit keeping us above the relegation zone. But the problem is all Tan. Ole's style is the exact opposite to Malky. Malky likes his teams to be an organised, disciplined unit who can stick to a game plan to achieve results. Ole prefers to play more open, expansive football which allows us to create and score more, but leaves us vulnerable at the back.

It was absolute madness by Tan to bring in a manager who plays this style of football against superior teams with superior players. It's absolute crazy, especially half way through the season where there's little opportunity to turn the playing squad around! This is why we are where we are. Ole can't change his style, he sticks to his methods and beliefs that brought him success with Molde in the past and rightly so. But it's Tan's fault for putting Ole into this position. I firmly believe we would have stayed up under Malky. But I will not blame Ole if we get relegated, there will only be one man to blame in my opinion and that's Tan.

Entirely my opinion

I hope we stay up but we could have easily had this stability you're talking about this season, but Tan chose to destabilise things. If we go down it is all Vincent Tan's fault, no doubt about that whatsoever imo.

It's not the last minute goals we conceded but tans fault

The last minute goals were a result of several off the pitch disruptions leading to disjointed performances caused by team interference and a drastic transformation of management and playing style. All Tan's fault.

ah rite got it. so Tan equalised last Saturday?
Matts will be pissed, 1st prem goal an all

You haven't understood my post have you. I'm saying the reason we've conceded so many goals and lost so many games this season is because of Tan's interference disjointing things. If we had stability this season, we would be higher up the table without a doubt imo.

No it's not. Liverpool and Southampton you have a case with but not most of our matches (I doubt we'd have won them anyway without the interference maybe a point out of Southampton and that is it) The reason we have been so bad this season is poor transfers and naive tactics.

Newcastle home was terrible, didn't the players demand Tan didn't come into changing rooms after that game?