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Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:16 am
After watching the fight several times over now, I am convinced that not a lot has changed.
He was caught several times throught the fight by a non puncher. Almost every time he did get caught his legs stiffened.
If it was Garcia he was fighting it would've been over.
Yes he was more composed, and didn't let his heart rule his head which he has done in the past.
There were significant improvements to his mentality and his new trainer must take credit for that, but Virgil will need to hone in the skills that he has shown with Andre Ward if he is to make Amir Khan a world force once more.
American Heavyweight prospect Deontay Wilder made it 27 kos in 27 fights but looked very wild and poorly directed.
Fury and Price would end him quite early in my opinion.
Americans have a lot of catching up to the Europeans who are streets ahead in the talent in the top division.
Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:23 am
i dont think there was anything to break down, he's a bum who's fought bums, frank warren saw a oppertunity to make money, hyped him up and in the end couldn't deliver
Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:49 am
People forget that the two guys that have beat him recently are now holding three of the belts. Garcia has two and Peterson has one. Marquez holds one of the other two as well and he is a very gifted boxer.
Its easy to slate Khan but he is in the second hardest division at the moment and could possibly move up. If he stops getting tagged as much and gets better with his bursts by dipping in and out then welterweight will be better for him as he'll have a greater speed advantage again over most opponents.
He is still only young as well. Marquez is a champion at 39. Amir is 26 years old so has a lot of time to improve his game.
People mentioning him in the same breath as Garcia are annoying. Garcia is exceptionally talented and will hold his own easy at Welterweight because he is a big hitter and gets stuck in. The only fighter I could see him struggling with is Mayweather. Garcia will probably knock out Judah in February who is now much slower.
Khan should fight around April then come this time next year should be looking at a British showdown with Kell Brook before heading back across the pond to compete in the welterweight division.
Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:29 am
The fight Saturday showed us nothing. Yes Molina caught him a couple of times, but
i disagree that it shook Khan. Molina is no puncher and Khan always going to be getting
in that ring around 7-8lbs heavier than him. Khan boxed very well, and WAS more patient.
Khans real weakness is that he is NOT that heavy a puncher himself and bigger, better men can
take his power, suck it up and wait for that moment when he drops his left and leaves his
chin exposed. Goodnight Vienna, every time.
Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:30 am
Ben wrote:i dont think there was anything to break down, he's a bum who's fought bums, frank warren saw a oppertunity to make money, hyped him up and in the end couldn't deliver
Sorry Ben but I disagree.
All promotors love a cash cow and Warren has cashed in several. Hatton Calzaghe and Khan have all made exceptional progress in their respected careers and accounts since leaving Warren.
Amir knew if he stayed with Warren he would be destined for World title defended against European level fighters and over the hill Americans.He joined Golden Boy and trust me Oscar and Schaefer are no mugs, they know what people want to see and try their best to deliver that.Khan is anything than a bum fighting other bums.he has been plying his trade with exceptional trainers and pros alike.
All Black; I agree that Garcia is good and perhaps doesn't get the credit he deserves. Juanma Marquez should retire now IMO, he has nothing to prove now and has laid the PAC ghost to rest in a manner that cannot be bettered.
If Amir Faced Lamont again(which needs to happen before Garcia IMO ) I BELEIVE Amir would knock him out.
But the same cannot be said if he faced Swift Garcia again.
Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:32 am
aj1927 wrote:After watching the fight several times over now, I am convinced that not a lot has changed.
He was caught several times throught the fight by a non puncher. Almost every time he did get caught his legs stiffened.
If it was Garcia he was fighting it would've been over.
Yes he was more composed, and didn't let his heart rule his head which he has done in the past.
There were significant improvements to his mentality and his new trainer must take credit for that, but Virgil will need to hone in the skills that he has shown with Andre Ward if he is to make Amir Khan a world force once more.
American Heavyweight prospect Deontay Wilder made it 27 kos in 27 fights but looked very wild and poorly directed.
Fury and Price would end him quite early in my opinion.
Americans have a lot of catching up to the Europeans who are streets ahead in the talent in the top division.
Price V Wilder would be a decent fight.
Wilder would walk through Fury
Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:39 am
TaffyApple, look how well(hurts to say it ) Fury boxed against Delboy. If he applied them tactics against Deontay,it would be a walk over surely. I only see Wilder being a lucky punch champion.
Not enough basic skill to be an elite level fighter. Just my opinion though.
Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:39 am
Khan is britians next Audley Harrison. Olympic boxer who turns professional who then gets found out. The sooner he's on his arse again the better for the sport of boxing as his promotion team are taking the piss out of the fans
Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:59 am
aj1927 wrote:TaffyApple, look how well(hurts to say it ) Fury boxed against Delboy. If he applied them tactics against Deontay,it would be a walk over surely. I only see Wilder being a lucky punch champion.
Not enough basic skill to be an elite level fighter. Just my opinion though.
Skill? he had a very impressive Amateur career and an olympic medal. He has a
decent jab and has knocked out 27 of 27. The other night he looked scrappy and
not the best, but hang on lol, he took the fellers head off after 3 rounds. Price was
awkward and messy, but before Wilder got warmed up or got his boxing together
he landed that right hand. Goodnight.
Price would give him a good fight maybe, because he is tidy and knows how to protect
his chin. Fury? media hype. He's a bit of a donut in my opinion
Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:02 pm
Angry Man wrote:Khan is britians next Audley Harrison. Olympic boxer who turns professional who then gets found out. The sooner he's on his arse again the better for the sport of boxing as his promotion team are taking the piss out of the fans
Nope.
Khan has got balls. He's not a chicken, he likes a tear up and is incredibly fast and
skilful. His problems are.. he isnt THAT big a puncher and has a dodgy chin.
Harrison is/was a f*cking cowardly custard
Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:16 pm
Angry Man wrote:Khan is britians next Audley Harrison. Olympic boxer who turns professional who then gets found out. The sooner he's on his arse again the better for the sport of boxing as his promotion team are taking the piss out of the fans
What the f**k do you know about boxing you clown
Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:22 pm
ElyBlueAj wrote:Angry Man wrote:Khan is britians next Audley Harrison. Olympic boxer who turns professional who then gets found out. The sooner he's on his arse again the better for the sport of boxing as his promotion team are taking the piss out of the fans
What the f**k do you know about boxing you clown
more than what you think you tw*t
Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:24 pm
Angry Man wrote:ElyBlueAj wrote:Angry Man wrote:Khan is britians next Audley Harrison. Olympic boxer who turns professional who then gets found out. The sooner he's on his arse again the better for the sport of boxing as his promotion team are taking the piss out of the fans
What the f**k do you know about boxing you clown
more than what you think you tw*t
By comparing Amir Khan to Audley Harrison you give the impression of knowing sweet f**k all
Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:34 pm
taffyapple wrote:Angry Man wrote:ElyBlueAj wrote:Angry Man wrote:Khan is britians next Audley Harrison. Olympic boxer who turns professional who then gets found out. The sooner he's on his arse again the better for the sport of boxing as his promotion team are taking the piss out of the fans
What the f**k do you know about boxing you clown
more than what you think you tw*t
By comparing Amir Khan to Audley Harrison you give the impression of knowing sweet f**k all

The point I was making is that promotors have had a habit recently to generate the Olympic interest in boxers to fill their pockets without a care in the world. Olympic boxers are mainly un-professional for a reason and thats because they aren't good enough but because they do well in an amateur competition then they must be good enough for the professional field but thats simply not true.
Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:47 pm
Angry Man wrote:taffyapple wrote:Angry Man wrote:ElyBlueAj wrote:Angry Man wrote:Khan is britians next Audley Harrison. Olympic boxer who turns professional who then gets found out. The sooner he's on his arse again the better for the sport of boxing as his promotion team are taking the piss out of the fans
What the f**k do you know about boxing you clown
more than what you think you tw*t
By comparing Amir Khan to Audley Harrison you give the impression of knowing sweet f**k all

The point I was making is that promotors have had a habit recently to generate the Olympic interest in boxers to fill their pockets without a care in the world. Olympic boxers are mainly un-professional for a reason and thats because they aren't good enough but because they do well in an amateur competition then they must be good enough for the professional field but thats simply not true.
That is the most ridiculous un-educated comment about boxing I've ever read. The majority of
decent Professional boxers come off the back of good amateur careers. The reason most stay
amateur if they are good enough to box at olympic level is because they have generally boxed
for about ten years or so and the Olympics is the pinnacle of an amateur career. Furthermore..
a GOLD Olympic medal pretty much guarantees a boxer a Million pound deal when he goes pro.
Clueless beyond belief, yet you STILL try to come across like you know what your on about
Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:22 pm
Angry Man wrote:taffyapple wrote:Angry Man wrote:ElyBlueAj wrote:Angry Man wrote:Khan is britians next Audley Harrison. Olympic boxer who turns professional who then gets found out. The sooner he's on his arse again the better for the sport of boxing as his promotion team are taking the piss out of the fans
What the f**k do you know about boxing you clown
more than what you think you tw*t
By comparing Amir Khan to Audley Harrison you give the impression of knowing sweet f**k all

The point I was making is that promotors have had a habit recently to generate the Olympic interest in boxers to fill their pockets without a care in the world. Olympic boxers are mainly un-professional for a reason and thats because they aren't good enough but because they do well in an amateur competition then they must be good enough for the professional field but thats simply not true.
You just proved my point. Clueless
Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:23 pm
Just thought I'd bump this
Ah Rain Man, you do make me smile
Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:47 pm
Amir khans biggest problem is he thinks he's better than he really is. If he didn't have that mentality, then he may actually learn something from his mistakes-losses, and progress.
Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:27 pm
Sadly the boy is missing the one of the two things you cant coach into a fighter......and thats a good chin.
Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:49 pm
Denzil wrote:Sadly the boy is missing the one of the two things you cant coach into a fighter......and thats a good chin.
Nothing wrong with his chin. It's his brain thats the problem. He has the speed to burst in and out and not get tagged at all but he keeps leaving himself open and getting sloppy.
Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:01 pm
Apparently his next fight will be either Ortiz or Garcia, I fancy him to beat both of those if he boxes smart and doesn't get involved in a war
Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:27 pm
He beat Ortiz in the Ams and I don't see any other result than a stoppage win for Amir.
AK would retire him after 8.
Garcia would KO AK by 6.
Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:35 pm
aj1927 wrote:He beat Ortiz in the Ams and I don't see any other result than a stoppage win for Amir.
AK would retire him after 8.
Garcia would KO AK by 6.
Amir would beat him easily if he boxed smart. Problem with Amir is he gets easily dragged into a face to face brawl and thats the only way Garcia will beat him. If Amir executes his game plan to perfection he'd win on points by a fine margin. Amir just needs a firm slap across the face to wake him up and his new trainer needs to tell his dad to sod off and stop getting involved in his pro career.
Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:38 pm
All Black Everything. wrote:aj1927 wrote:He beat Ortiz in the Ams and I don't see any other result than a stoppage win for Amir.
AK would retire him after 8.
Garcia would KO AK by 6.
Amir would beat him easily if he boxed smart. Problem with Amir is he gets easily dragged into a face to face brawl and thats the only way Garcia will beat him. If Amir executes his game plan to perfection he'd win on points by a fine margin. Amir just needs a firm slap across the face to wake him up and his new trainer needs to tell his dad to sod off and stop getting involved in his pro career.
Based on his performance against Molina, Garcia will counter him as Molina did.
Only Garcia packs a lot more than Molina.
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