A SUGGESTION TO THOSE WHO CAMPAIGN FOR BLUE

I never got involved with the KCB campaign because I didn't feel it was the right campaign at the time and I didn't like the idea of supporting an idea that was being run by people who didn't go and support the team anymore.

I have seen other campaigns try to get us returned to blue but in all honesty can anyone see Vincent Tan changing us back to blue any time soon, I can't.

If I could make a suggestion it would be to campaign to ensure the Bluebird remains an integral part of our badge.

This is the last bit of our 'tradition' and 'history' on our current kit and I would focus on keeping the bluebird before returning to blue.

I think there would be far more success and be more a more popular campaign with a lot more people because it is something to hold onto rather than something that we have lost, albeit whether we believe what we have lost to be a temporary loss or not.

As I say it is just a suggestion but it would be one I believe will have more chance of success and also will be seen as a 'less threatening' campaign towards Vincent Tan.

Is this worth discussing ?

spot on carlos

Hi Carl,

Have taken your comments on board. At the bottom of the petition I wrote it states:

We also ask that if the club do not wish to return to the original crest, that they consult with the fans to create a new crest to go forward with, incorporating the famous Bluebird.

I think it is vital that we keep the bluebird and I'd be a lot happier if it were to be our "main" crest image in the future.

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My suggestion would sadly be don't bother. Power Hungry Malaysian and sheep desperate for success makes it a pointless exercise.

For me, if I can say I TRIED, then there's not much more I can do.

I'd rather try and fail, than do bugger all.

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For me, if I can say I TRIED, then there's not much more I can do.

I'd rather try and fail, than do bugger all.

Fair enough mate but I've lost too many friends over this shit already. Too many arguments and too much anger.

I agree that without a doubt the change of our badge has been more offensive than the colour change. We have played in different colours before but the 'bluebird' symbol unites fans and this symbol should be the prominent part to our badge rather than that awful dragon at the moment. Fire and passion is also utterly meaningless as it does not originate from the fans or the team.

The bluebird is meaningless without a blue home kit to me

I think pushing for the bluebird would be more successful.

But it would mean so much more to have the blue kit back tbh.

I never got involved with the KCB campaign because I didn't feel it was the right campaign at the time and I didn't like the idea of supporting an idea that was being run by people who didn't go and support the team anymore.

I have seen other campaigns try to get us returned to blue but in all honesty can anyone see Vincent Tan changing us back to blue any time soon, I can't.

If I could make a suggestion it would be to campaign to ensure the Bluebird remains an integral part of our badge.

This is the last bit of our 'tradition' and 'history' on our current kit and I would focus on keeping the bluebird before returning to blue.

I think there would be far more success and be more a more popular campaign with a lot more people because it is something to hold onto rather than something that we have lost, albeit whether we believe what we have lost to be a temporary loss or not.

As I say it is just a suggestion but it would be one I believe will have more chance of success and also will be seen as a 'less threatening' campaign towards Vincent Tan.

Is this worth discussing ?

I understand what you're saying Carl but getting this wouldn't be enough for me, and many others i'm sure.

We just want our club back, and that includes the colour blue more than anything.

All I'd say on this matter and I don't post often is, it'll be tans call and I don't believe any amount of pressure will effect this guys decision even though he back tracked initially! I'm disgraced bout the badge and colour change tbh but still support my club cos long after tan it'll still be our club, my suggestion is either try and get on side wax the guys ego and slowly lobby for change I.e keep bluebird on badge,then return to original crest,then return to traditional home colours. If you do this slowly,professional and don't upset playing matters in anyway I think you'll get enough ppl on side to get him to maybe and I stress maybe even just consider it

All I'd say on this matter and I don't post often is, it'll be tans call and I don't believe any amount of pressure will effect this guys decision even though he back tracked initially! I'm disgraced bout the badge and colour change tbh but still support my club cos long after tan it'll still be our club, my suggestion is either try and get on side wax the guys ego and slowly lobby for change I.e keep bluebird on badge,then return to original crest,then return to traditional home colours. If you do this slowly,professional and don't upset playing matters in anyway I think you'll get enough ppl on side to get him to maybe and I stress maybe even just consider it

I gotta be honest thinking about it pressurising him would prob make him even more stubborn.

Appealing to his better nature may be a better use or showing what why it's so important

lets just go with the flow. in 2 years time our hiaracy. might see the colour yellow as our lucky colour

For me, if I can say I TRIED, then there's not much more I can do.

I'd rather try and fail, than do bugger all.

Fair enough mate but I've lost too many friends over this shit already. Too many arguments and too much anger.

Arguments are going to continue and angers will get hotter. The issue is not going to go away.

That has appeasement written all over it. Let's be fair it's very unlikely Tan will change his mind over his whims. Better to give him no credibility to any of the changes rather than validity to one or two.

He won't give a f**k anyway!

Our badge is the worst thing about the rebrand its f*cking shit.

Carl if we went just for the bluebird then Tan could just say no and its end of. But if we go for Colour and Badge it will leave a bargaining tool on both sides that can be debated. If we get enough fans to sign the petition and keep pressure on then sooner rather than later he will want to talk.
But as you and others have said he is now in to deep to walk and now he needs to spend to try and recoup some of his money.
So we no longer have to be scared of frightening him off so lets go for both. And the way the petition has been written it isnt anti Vincent Tan.
So please sign the fooking petition

Carl, bang on. Great suggestion.

No harm in trying. Atleast we'r trying and backing a decent petition.

Carl if we went just for the bluebird then Tan could just say no and its end of. But if we go for Colour and Badge it will leave a bargaining tool on both sides that can be debated. If we get enough fans to sign the petition and keep pressure on then sooner rather than later he will want to talk.
But as you and others have said he is now in to deep to walk and now he needs to spend to try and recoup some of his money.
So we no longer have to be scared of frightening him off so lets go for both. And the way the petition has been written it isnt anti Vincent Tan.
So please sign the fooking petition

Very good point.

We PETITION for the Blue shirt back

But will ACCEPT the badge going back to its old form, or something similar.

Could be onto a winner with that. Because as long as we're the Bluebirds, and have
Blue kits (even for away games)... then the Blue will never die.

I never got involved with the KCB campaign because I didn't feel it was the right campaign at the time and I didn't like the idea of supporting an idea that was being run by people who didn't go and support the team anymore.

I have seen other campaigns try to get us returned to blue but in all honesty can anyone see Vincent Tan changing us back to blue any time soon, I can't.

If I could make a suggestion it would be to campaign to ensure the Bluebird remains an integral part of our badge.

This is the last bit of our 'tradition' and 'history' on our current kit and I would focus on keeping the bluebird before returning to blue.

I think there would be far more success and be more a more popular campaign with a lot more people because it is something to hold onto rather than something that we have lost, albeit whether we believe what we have lost to be a temporary loss or not.

As I say it is just a suggestion but it would be one I believe will have more chance of success and also will be seen as a 'less threatening' campaign towards Vincent Tan.

Is this worth discussing ?

This is what i predicted would happen. Its like when the government raise taxes. They say there will be a 5% rise for example. People are up in arms then they say ok ok we have listened we will only raise it by 3% and people are happy. But the fact is that tax has gone up 3%!!!

Now in this case people will say "lets go back to blue" it will get diluted with "ok lets just keep the bluebird badge". The powers that be will keep the Bluebird and people will feel they have "won" and will be happy with bluebird being kept, even though it was going to be kept all along as they have said.

Doesn't bluebird mean "penis" in Asia?

The aim of my campaign is to primarily show that people want us back in blue. However it does also say that
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"We also ask that if the club do not wish to return to the original crest, that they consult with the fans to create a new crest to go forward with, incorporating the famous Bluebird."

I think this covers all the bases.

I agree Carl, that makes perfect sense to me ....

It's like your Union going for your pay rise they ask for around 20% something silly but the union wants to offer 0 or 1% but then agree on 2 or 3% . But if the Union thought right ok to be fair we will just claim just one per cent and if they say no we have nothing left to barter with. See what I am getting at ?

It's like your Union going for your pay rise they ask for around 20% something silly but the union wants to offer 0 or 1% but then agree on 2 or 3% . But if the Union thought right ok to be fair we will just claim just one per cent and if they say no we have nothing left to barter with. See what I am getting at ?

I think you see what I was getting at

Agree,imagine going up and losing the Bluebird That would be it for a lot of our fans

I don't know if there is a league rule against having 2 badges, but personally I would love to see the old badge on our blue away kit and the newer badge (with or without the bluebird) on our home red kit.

It's like your Union going for your pay rise they ask for around 20% something silly but the union wants to offer 0 or 1% but then agree on 2 or 3% . But if the Union thought right ok to be fair we will just claim just one per cent and if they say no we have nothing left to barter with. See what I am getting at ?

That's the famous you can't go up but you can come down rule.

It's like your Union going for your pay rise they ask for around 20% something silly but the union wants to offer 0 or 1% but then agree on 2 or 3% . But if the Union thought right ok to be fair we will just claim just one per cent and if they say no we have nothing left to barter with. See what I am getting at ?

That's the famous you can't go up but you can come down rule.

Indeed Tony and that is why there can be no compromise on this.

Its neither full return to the blue shirt and bluebird badge else or do what they like. If they choose the latter then as far as I am concern I will reassess my support for this regime.