Interesting idea by the Aussies...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20559585

We should do something similar (in my opinion).

Yeah I live in Aus and there's huge restrictions - in shops all cigarettes are kept away from public view, in cupboards and aren't allowed to be at eye-height (which is a marketing tactic used in the UK).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20559585

We should do something similar (in my opinion).

What a crook of shite, more left wing control freak nonsense. It's peoples choice whether they smoke or not, no one forces them to smoke. I find it incredible that a so called government can be so stupid to think changing the presentation of the packets will stop people smoking. Whoever thought of this should be sacked on the spot, they're obviouslt mentally retarded and shouldn't be allowed off the ward without adult supervision....

Got to be honest I don't like the idea. I don't particularly want to look at pictures of diseases when I go the the newsagent.

Blank packets with warning labels and away from the counter I can agree with but this is just horrible. Smokers will just put them in their own packets anyways.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20559585

We should do something similar (in my opinion).

What a crook of shite, more left wing control freak nonsense. It's peoples choice whether they smoke or not, no one forces them to smoke. I find it incredible that a so called government can be so stupid to think changing the presentation of the packets will stop people smoking. Whoever thought of this should be sacked on the spot, they're obviouslt mentally retarded and shouldn't be allowed off the ward without adult supervision....

You're an idiot.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20559585

We should do something similar (in my opinion).

What a crook of shite, more left wing control freak nonsense. It's peoples choice whether they smoke or not, no one forces them to smoke. I find it incredible that a so called government can be so stupid to think changing the presentation of the packets will stop people smoking. Whoever thought of this should be sacked on the spot, they're obviouslt mentally retarded and shouldn't be allowed off the ward without adult supervision....

It's still their choice to smoke or not, if they really want to then they can just ask for them. The pictures only show the reality of smoking and there is no reason it shouldn't be on there. And nobody really cares about smokers because it is their choice, but they are trying to prevent people suffering from secondary smoke, like children.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20559585

We should do something similar (in my opinion).

What a crook of shite, more left wing control freak nonsense. It's peoples choice whether they smoke or not, no one forces them to smoke. I find it incredible that a so called government can be so stupid to think changing the presentation of the packets will stop people smoking. Whoever thought of this should be sacked on the spot, they're obviouslt mentally retarded and shouldn't be allowed off the ward without adult supervision....

It's still their choice to smoke or not, if they really want to then they can just ask for them. The pictures only show the reality of smoking and there is no reason it shouldn't be on there. And nobody really cares about smokers because it is their choice, but they are trying to prevent people suffering from secondary smoke, like children.

No point replying, he's a blithering buffoon with an agenda against Labour. He's a typical, ignorant Tory and doesn't realise that this could save peoples live because he's been blinded by his own ignorance and is still mind set in the Thatcher era.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20559585

We should do something similar (in my opinion).

What a crook of shite, more left wing control freak nonsense. It's peoples choice whether they smoke or not, no one forces them to smoke. I find it incredible that a so called government can be so stupid to think changing the presentation of the packets will stop people smoking. Whoever thought of this should be sacked on the spot, they're obviouslt mentally retarded and shouldn't be allowed off the ward without adult supervision....

It's still their choice to smoke or not, if they really want to then they can just ask for them. The pictures only show the reality of smoking and there is no reason it shouldn't be on there. And nobody really cares about smokers because it is their choice, but they are trying to prevent people suffering from secondary smoke, like children.

No point replying, he's a blithering buffoon with an agenda against Labour. He's a typical, ignorant Tory and doesn't realise that this could save peoples live because he's been blinded by his own ignorance and is still mind set in the Thatcher era.

Touched a nerve BB...

Interesting debate nonetheless.

Personally I think smokers will gradually decrease in numbers until it becomes a rare habit anyway.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20559585

We should do something similar (in my opinion).

What a crook of shite, more left wing control freak nonsense. It's peoples choice whether they smoke or not, no one forces them to smoke. I find it incredible that a so called government can be so stupid to think changing the presentation of the packets will stop people smoking. Whoever thought of this should be sacked on the spot, they're obviouslt mentally retarded and shouldn't be allowed off the ward without adult supervision....

It's still their choice to smoke or not, if they really want to then they can just ask for them. The pictures only show the reality of smoking and there is no reason it shouldn't be on there. And nobody really cares about smokers because it is their choice, but they are trying to prevent people suffering from secondary smoke, like children.

No point replying, he's a blithering buffoon with an agenda against Labour. He's a typical, ignorant Tory and doesn't realise that this could save peoples live because he's been blinded by his own ignorance and is still mind set in the Thatcher era.

Touched a nerve BB...

No, just your constant obsession with the Left wing is massively tedious and gets rather irritating.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20559585

We should do something similar (in my opinion).

What a crook of shite, more left wing control freak nonsense. It's peoples choice whether they smoke or not, no one forces them to smoke. I find it incredible that a so called government can be so stupid to think changing the presentation of the packets will stop people smoking. Whoever thought of this should be sacked on the spot, they're obviouslt mentally retarded and shouldn't be allowed off the ward without adult supervision....

Major contradiction here. You're saying that this is 'control freak nonsense' yet it doesn't change the availability of cigarettes to anyone. As you've said yourself, smokers will continue to smoke, so what's the issue?

All it does is increase awareness of the detrimental effects of smoking; which is especially important when it comes to young people.

I wouldn't bother with this, in fact I have a much more radical and forward thinking idea.

I would triple the price of a pack of cigarrettes to about 18 quid then force it on people (Increase of tax only). Let them advertise only the rich thickos will purchase them anyway. If they want to smoke then they can pay the extortionate amount to do so.

Where would the money go? I would ringfence it to increase pensions. Those that do not smoke excessively will reach pension age. Smoking is vile however I do agree that this is more freakish lefty lunatic control.

for the record I do not smoke, however now they are looking at stopping branding on fags, then look at the same with alcohol then, it would stop the endless problems my partner faces on the weekend in A&E

so when we buy a car why don,t they show a picture of a motorway pile up on it?working on the same principle of damage what COULD be done.if people are going to smoke they will.i struggle with it but not putting them on display or grotesque pics on them don,t stop people.it would be hypocritical of a uk government.try telling a young squadie the dangers of smoking and boring him to death with health issues after he has just returned from afgan where our leaders have sent him to make sure that gas pipe will be ok . smoking is bad for you but having the taliban blow your charlie hollix is good for you perhaps the real truth is since the euro tunnel the govt don,t collect so many taxes off ciggies.no tunnel and the tax rate would be much much higher than the rate collected now and still massively in the black when compared to the cost of any smoking related illnesses.

I do like the idea because I hate smoking.

However lets get the facts straight on this before the debates come to an end.

The is no real evidence that passive smoking actually makes a difference. All throughout my time in the Council I was constantly putting these myths to bed because Smokers aren't allowed to adopt anymore in many Labour local authorities so they would actually prefer to leave children without a home because a member of a potential loving family is a smoker.

Also on average smokers actually pay 4 times as much tax than a non smoker so the health bill is heavily helped by them.

Once again I'd like to state that I hate smoking but popular myths started by people with another agenda need to be put to bed on this issue.

why are non smokers interested in what smokers do. I dont drink but think its tragic that this goverment is over taxing alcahol to the point that local pubs and clubs are closing down.

I do like the idea because I hate smoking.

However lets get the facts straight on this before the debates come to an end.

The is no real evidence that passive smoking actually makes a difference. All throughout my time in the Council I was constantly putting these myths to bed because Smokers aren't allowed to adopt anymore in many Labour local authorities so they would actually prefer to leave children without a home because a member of a potential loving family is a smoker.

Also on average smokers actually pay 4 times as much tax than a non smoker so the health bill is heavily helped by them.

Once again I'd like to state that I hate smoking but popular myths started by people with another agenda need to be put to bed on this issue.

Here there, there are so many hoops you have to jump through to adopt a child it puts most off. I am an ex-labour voter, it's the nanny state and PC brigade that we had for 13 years that have driven me away and I am afraid that unless they go back to their roots I will not vote for them again.

I do like the idea because I hate smoking.

However lets get the facts straight on this before the debates come to an end.

The is no real evidence that passive smoking actually makes a difference. All throughout my time in the Council I was constantly putting these myths to bed because Smokers aren't allowed to adopt anymore in many Labour local authorities so they would actually prefer to leave children without a home because a member of a potential loving family is a smoker.

Also on average smokers actually pay 4 times as much tax than a non smoker so the health bill is heavily helped by them.

Once again I'd like to state that I hate smoking but popular myths started by people with another agenda need to be put to bed on this issue.

Here there, there are so many hoops you have to jump through to adopt a child it puts most off. I am an ex-labour voter, it's the nanny state and PC brigade that we had for 13 years that have driven me away and I am afraid that unless they go back to their roots I will not vote for them again.

here here bbs48.i didn,t vote for them last time because of there cultural left policies rather than working class centre /left policies.wrote no confidence cross the paper.adam is correct what he says.will vote for them next time though as a few of millibands talks have started to touch on the subjects they ignored before plus i want this shower of crap in power now gone.regarding smoking if i want a ciggie i don,t smoke by anyone who doesn,t smoke.simple.nukes will bare this out .hope to stop for good soon.instead of stopping twice a week like now

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20559585

We should do something similar (in my opinion).

What a crook of shite, more left wing control freak nonsense. It's peoples choice whether they smoke or not, no one forces them to smoke. I find it incredible that a so called government can be so stupid to think changing the presentation of the packets will stop people smoking. Whoever thought of this should be sacked on the spot, they're obviouslt mentally retarded and shouldn't be allowed off the ward without adult supervision....

It's still their choice to smoke or not, if they really want to then they can just ask for them. The pictures only show the reality of smoking and there is no reason it shouldn't be on there. And nobody really cares about smokers because it is their choice, but they are trying to prevent people suffering from secondary smoke, like children.

No point replying, he's a blithering buffoon with an agenda against Labour. He's a typical, ignorant Tory and doesn't realise that this could save peoples live because he's been blinded by his own ignorance and is still mind set in the Thatcher era.

Touched a nerve BB...

No, just your constant obsession with the Left wing is massively tedious and gets rather irritating.

Firstly young BB my good man I did not mention or refer to Labour, without looking it up I don't know the political make up of the Australian government. In my simple "buffoon" like life, the left are, well, left, little or no grasp of life in general and certainly shouldn't be anywhere near positions of responsibilty.

As for being a "buffoon" well, I'm paid just over 100k Euro a year, have BEng in Civils, an MSc in Climate Change and Business Management and have been asked do to a further MSc in Water and Wastewater Engineering with the best Uni in the UK as they want me to do a Phd developing the Institutional Capacity Development element of their courses. I meet, see, talk to many politicians outside of the UK, the previous socialist masters having totally screwed up the country's infrastructure and advise how it can be improved.

Most of the world has moved away from the left or right wing, black or white, religion or non religion, its not a case of either or! The sad twats in the UK hide under the banner of socialism and left wing sad nonsense whilst speaking with a plum in their gob, talking total shite.

As for the Labour Party, bunch of failed Tory's. The working class political party's are the ones that are often mocked as racists, right wing!!! Think about that. As for the WAG? Your vote use it

Heres an old story of mine about this issue: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... -24235809/

Here here JTC. I do not smoke but I will defend those who want to smoke and where they want to smoke. The state has poked it's nose into too many things. I am a majorly disillusioned labour vote, doubt I will ever go back they have completely betrayed their routes and turned into some kind of naggging old women sucking the joy out of the working mans life bit by bit.

The tories may take our money but labour have slowly eroded our culture, doubt I will ever go back unless their is a radical change.

Australians care about their country, the governments allow there people to make a good living they pay them good money and they live comfortably...

you earn around 800 dollers a week working in a call centre in autralia.

in the UK u get payed 7.00 an hour, you live in poverty making just enough to pay your bills, and choose whether you want to drive a car or have 1 holiday once a yr and a few nights out.

Australians care about their country, the governments allow there people to make a good living they pay them good money and they live comfortably...

you earn around 800 dollers a week working in a call centre in autralia.

in the UK u get payed 7.00 an hour, you live in poverty making just enough to pay your bills, and choose whether you want to drive a car or have 1 holiday once a yr and a few nights out.

It should be said that the reason they get paid 800 dollars a week working in a call centre is because the cost of living over there is obscene and much higher than it is here.

Australians care about their country, the governments allow there people to make a good living they pay them good money and they live comfortably...

you earn around 800 dollers a week working in a call centre in autralia.

in the UK u get payed 7.00 an hour, you live in poverty making just enough to pay your bills, and choose whether you want to drive a car or have 1 holiday once a yr and a few nights out.

It should be said that the reason they get paid 800 dollars a week working in a call centre is because the cost of living over there is obscene and much higher than it is here.

Thats right, but food and fuel tends to be reasonable, and if you are careful with where your money goes you can easily save 6 grand in half a yr

I wouldn't say I was 'left-wing' by the way. The term itself is ambiguous, vague and often not applicable to modern society/politics.

watch out lads the messageboard nazis are out and won't like a non-football related topic on here

I wouldn't say I was 'left-wing' by the way. The term itself is ambiguous, vague and often not applicable to modern society/politics.

No your posts are so far to the lunatic left wing that they are falling off the screen.

I wouldn't say I was 'left-wing' by the way. The term itself is ambiguous, vague and often not applicable to modern society/politics.

Come on OhhhGa you know only too well that your posts are left wing hense of my surprise that you wanted to study in the America!!!!

I wouldn't say I was 'left-wing' by the way. The term itself is ambiguous, vague and often not applicable to modern society/politics.

No your posts are so far to the lunatic left wing that they are falling off the screen.

Soz m8

I wouldn't say I was 'left-wing' by the way. The term itself is ambiguous, vague and often not applicable to modern society/politics.

Come on OhhhGa you know only too well that your posts are left wing hense of my surprise that you wanted to study in the America!!!!

My posts are just reflective of my views on a given subject. They can vary quite a lot so it's pointless to pigeon hole them. Anyhow, America has some great places/people/scenery etc