dutch ray

Does anyone know if dutch ray started the Welsh job the same time as Gary speed.
Did speed recruit him from the start or did he start the job a few games into the campaign.

The reason i wonder is because i have seen a few threads comparing speeds and Colemans win record.

E.g they both had bad starts but with speed this obviously improved.

Im wondering if ray came into the role later on and this helped improve our results.

Even more proof that dutch ray should have had the job over Coleman

He was there from the start with Speed.

He's a fraud. Why he hell would someone want him as manager ffs

He's a fraud. Why he hell would someone want him as manager ffs

And how exactly is he a fraud?

The way he told the faw a string of lies including how he had been assistant manager in the past... He hadn't. He's barely qualified to coach Neath.

The fact he claims to be a doctor but isn't. The fact he publishes books and passes them off as written by dr ray verhaijen when he is nothing of the sort.

The guy is a nut case and a despicable chancer who used speeds death at every opportunity to levy himself for a job he knew he wasn't qualified for.

The way he told the faw a string of lies including how he had been assistant manager in the past... He hadn't. He's barely qualified to coach Neath.

The fact he claims to be a doctor but isn't. The fact he publishes books and passes them off as written by dr ray verhaijen when he is nothing of the sort.

The guy is a nut case and a despicable chancer who used speeds death at every opportunity to levy himself for a job he knew he wasn't qualified for.

As a management team him and Speed must have been doing something right though. Speed's managerial record prior to Wales wasn't exactly prolific. I agree though that some of his public self promotion via twitter was quite badly timed and distasteful. However, a lot of the players seemed to credit him with being a good influence.

Unfortunately it's all irrelevant now as we have been lumbered with a coaching and management team who were mediocrity personified as players and seem even worse as managers. We will be in the doldrums for years to come if things don't change.

I honestly had ideas about going to Rio to watch Wales and Australia and I seriously doubt either will make it now!

The way he told the faw a string of lies including how he had been assistant manager in the past... He hadn't. He's barely qualified to coach Neath.

The fact he claims to be a doctor but isn't. The fact he publishes books and passes them off as written by dr ray verhaijen when he is nothing of the sort.

The guy is a nut case and a despicable chancer who used speeds death at every opportunity to levy himself for a job he knew he wasn't qualified for.

He was appointed by Speed at the begining , but unlike this regime Dutch Ray was not a mate or drinking buddy of his.

The only FRAUDS are them inept clowns Coleman & Hartson

The way he told the faw a string of lies including how he had been assistant manager in the past... He hadn't. He's barely qualified to coach Neath.

The fact he claims to be a doctor but isn't. The fact he publishes books and passes them off as written by dr ray verhaijen when he is nothing of the sort.

The guy is a nut case and a despicable chancer who used speeds death at every opportunity to levy himself for a job he knew he wasn't qualified for.

As a management team him and Speed must have been doing something right though. Speed's managerial record prior to Wales wasn't exactly prolific. I agree though that some of his public self promotion via twitter was quite badly timed and distasteful. However, a lot of the players seemed to credit him with being a good influence.

Unfortunately it's all irrelevant now as we have been lumbered with a coaching and management team who were mediocrity personified as players and seem even worse as managers. We will be in the doldrums for years to come if things don't change.

I honestly had ideas about going to Rio to watch Wales and Australia and I seriously doubt either will make it now!

Been a good influence and being a manager of an j term atonal football team are very different things. Andy legg is a higher qualified coach than he is.

Gary speeds record formwales is also one of mass exaggeration.

He lost 4 out of 5 of his first 5 games. And then went on a run of winning friendlies and dead rubbers before his death. Brazil of the 70's we certainly weren't.

The way he told the faw a string of lies including how he had been assistant manager in the past... He hadn't. He's barely qualified to coach Neath.

The fact he claims to be a doctor but isn't. The fact he publishes books and passes them off as written by dr ray verhaijen when he is nothing of the sort.

The guy is a nut case and a despicable chancer who used speeds death at every opportunity to levy himself for a job he knew he wasn't qualified for.

Alan Sugar isn't technically a businessman on qualifications either.... He was good at his job and there was clearly improvement under him. He could have claimed to be the next messiah for all I cared. As long as it was going to plan in the team that is all that mattered. He was clearly, along with Speed, working wonders.

The way he told the faw a string of lies including how he had been assistant manager in the past... He hadn't. He's barely qualified to coach Neath.

The fact he claims to be a doctor but isn't. The fact he publishes books and passes them off as written by dr ray verhaijen when he is nothing of the sort.

The guy is a nut case and a despicable chancer who used speeds death at every opportunity to levy himself for a job he knew he wasn't qualified for.

Alan Sugar isn't technically a businessman on qualifications either.... He was good at his job and there was clearly improvement under him. He could have claimed to be the next messiah for all I cared. As long as it was going to plan in the team that is all that mattered. He was clearly, along with Speed, working wonders.

wtf you don't need qualifications to be a businessman you just are one.

The amount of rubbish spoke about ray is cringeworthy, people have no idea. He was simply a fitness coach. He self promotes and leads people to think he does an awful lot more than he actually does, he is the Peter ridsdale of the managerial world.

The way he told the faw a string of lies including how he had been assistant manager in the past... He hadn't. He's barely qualified to coach Neath.

The fact he claims to be a doctor but isn't. The fact he publishes books and passes them off as written by dr ray verhaijen when he is nothing of the sort.

The guy is a nut case and a despicable chancer who used speeds death at every opportunity to levy himself for a job he knew he wasn't qualified for.

As a management team him and Speed must have been doing something right though. Speed's managerial record prior to Wales wasn't exactly prolific. I agree though that some of his public self promotion via twitter was quite badly timed and distasteful. However, a lot of the players seemed to credit him with being a good influence.

Unfortunately it's all irrelevant now as we have been lumbered with a coaching and management team who were mediocrity personified as players and seem even worse as managers. We will be in the doldrums for years to come if things don't change.

I honestly had ideas about going to Rio to watch Wales and Australia and I seriously doubt either will make it now!

Been a good influence and being a manager of an j term atonal football team are very different things. Andy legg is a higher qualified coach than he is.

Gary speeds record formwales is also one of mass exaggeration.

He lost 4 out of 5 of his first 5 games. And then went on a run of winning friendlies and dead rubbers before his death. Brazil of the 70's we certainly weren't.

Yeah, agreed but things were starting to look good. Do you have the confidence that the Coleman and Hartson partnership will start to come good after their losing start??

I'm as confident in colemans losing start as I am with speeds losing start... Not very.

However Coleman has a good managerial record contrary to what you read by idiots on this site. And one damn site better than speeds managerial record.

In my opinion the whole set up of Wales is flawed from top to bottom. We could have mourinho and it wou,d barely make a bit of difference. The faw are dinosaurs, the fans are always torn, there is no desire to play for us and this will continue until there is. Massive shake up.

And to be fair Coleman is the only one I can remember doing so with the good of Wales at heart unlike tosh who did it to massage his ego and stubbornness.

I liked his interview today, he said he tried to keep it the same and it isn't working, so now I'm doing it my way. Ramsey has been stripped of the captaincy and we will now be employing colemans tactics not employing the tactics of a man that is no longer with us. Coleman is the manager not speed. Speed took that privilege away from himself.

Onward

I'm as confident in colemans losing start as I am with speeds losing start... Not very.

However Coleman has a good managerial record contrary to what you read by idiots on this site. And one damn site better than speeds managerial record.

In my opinion the whole set up of Wales is flawed from top to bottom. We could have mourinho and it wou,d barely make a bit of difference. The faw are dinosaurs, the fans are always torn, there is no desire to play for us and this will continue until there is. Massive shake up.

And to be fair Coleman is the only one I can remember doing so with the good of Wales at heart unlike tosh who did it to massage his ego and stubbornness.

I liked his interview today, he said he tried to keep it the same and it isn't working, so now I'm doing it my way. Ramsey has been stripped of the captaincy and we will now be employing colemans tactics not employing the tactics of a man that is no longer with us. Coleman is the manager not speed. Speed took that privilege away from himself.

Onward

I guess people should try to give him a chance at doing it his own way. I'm just worried he wont be able to instill the real desire for people to want to play for Wales and Bale etc will start to do a Giggs.

Not sure about the Ramsey move. IMO one of the greatest sporting captains of recent times is Graham Smith the SA cricket captain and he was put in very young but the management knew he had what it takes and backed him for the long term. I think that we should have stuck with Ramsey in an effort to create a great longstanding captain like SA had.

I'm as confident in colemans losing start as I am with speeds losing start... Not very.

However Coleman has a good managerial record contrary to what you read by idiots on this site. And one damn site better than speeds managerial record.

In my opinion the whole set up of Wales is flawed from top to bottom. We could have mourinho and it wou,d barely make a bit of difference. The faw are dinosaurs, the fans are always torn, there is no desire to play for us and this will continue until there is. Massive shake up.

And to be fair Coleman is the only one I can remember doing so with the good of Wales at heart unlike tosh who did it to massage his ego and stubbornness.

I liked his interview today, he said he tried to keep it the same and it isn't working, so now I'm doing it my way. Ramsey has been stripped of the captaincy and we will now be employing colemans tactics not employing the tactics of a man that is no longer with us. Coleman is the manager not speed. Speed took that privilege away from himself.

Onward

100% agreed

The way he told the faw a string of lies including how he had been assistant manager in the past... He hadn't. He's barely qualified to coach Neath.

The fact he claims to be a doctor but isn't. The fact he publishes books and passes them off as written by dr ray verhaijen when he is nothing of the sort.

The guy is a nut case and a despicable chancer who used speeds death at every opportunity to levy himself for a job he knew he wasn't qualified for.

Alan Sugar isn't technically a businessman on qualifications either.... He was good at his job and there was clearly improvement under him. He could have claimed to be the next messiah for all I cared. As long as it was going to plan in the team that is all that mattered. He was clearly, along with Speed, working wonders.

wtf you don't need qualifications to be a businessman you just are one.

The amount of rubbish spoke about ray is cringeworthy, people have no idea. He was simply a fitness coach. He self promotes and leads people to think he does an awful lot more than he actually does, he is the Peter ridsdale of the managerial world.

He lead Bellamy to think that he could play two games in a week and run around like a teenager after fixing his knees - hmm, obviously a fraud there then? So what if he isn't qualified as a coach. Speed recognised his talent too and wasn't afraid to use it. And having a decent fitness coach is sort of important in a modern set up - perhaps that is why we saw such a marked improvement from every player while he was around. Never mind though, ten pints Coleman and his mate will soon sort the diet out in the same way they have the tactics and positional play Fraud my arse - its Chris and John the Jacks who are the frauds when it comes to an international management set up

More nonsense.

This is football management not doctors and nurses. You are saying he should be given the job of managing Wales because he fixed bellamys knee.

And he didn't anyway, that's a ridiculous thing to say. Unless he has added surgeon to his already dubious CV. He is a fitness coach, this is all.

I'm as confident in colemans losing start as I am with speeds losing start... Not very.

However Coleman has a good managerial record contrary to what you read by idiots on this site. And one damn site better than speeds managerial record.

In my opinion the whole set up of Wales is flawed from top to bottom. We could have mourinho and it wou,d barely make a bit of difference. The faw are dinosaurs, the fans are always torn, there is no desire to play for us and this will continue until there is. Massive shake up.

And to be fair Coleman is the only one I can remember doing so with the good of Wales at heart unlike tosh who did it to massage his ego and stubbornness.

I liked his interview today, he said he tried to keep it the same and it isn't working, so now I'm doing it my way. Ramsey has been stripped of the captaincy and we will now be employing colemans tactics not employing the tactics of a man that is no longer with us. Coleman is the manager not speed. Speed took that privilege away from himself.

Onward

Coleman has got a good management record? Now I know you're taking the piss!

More nonsense.

This is football management not doctors and nurses. You are saying he should be given the job of managing Wales because he fixed bellamys knee.

And he didn't anyway, that's a ridiculous thing to say. Unless he has added surgeon to his already dubious CV. He is a fitness coach, this is all.

Football mamangement that was showing an amazing turn around from a team that under your arguement had no possible way of achieving it as 50% of that team was ONLY a fitness coach. And is Bellamy 100% fitter than he was before Dutch Rays involvement and now capable of playing two games in a week or not - care to argue that point?

Obviously, under Chrissie [how effeminate is that] Colemans regime or in your opinion fitness doesn't matter. Your obviously Colemans bum chum. I'm sure he'll show you his, if you show him yours. Better things to do than argue with know all jacks thanks.

I'm as confident in colemans losing start as I am with speeds losing start... Not very.

However Coleman has a good managerial record contrary to what you read by idiots on this site. And one damn site better than speeds managerial record.

In my opinion the whole set up of Wales is flawed from top to bottom. We could have mourinho and it wou,d barely make a bit of difference. The faw are dinosaurs, the fans are always torn, there is no desire to play for us and this will continue until there is. Massive shake up.

And to be fair Coleman is the only one I can remember doing so with the good of Wales at heart unlike tosh who did it to massage his ego and stubbornness.

I liked his interview today, he said he tried to keep it the same and it isn't working, so now I'm doing it my way. Ramsey has been stripped of the captaincy and we will now be employing colemans tactics not employing the tactics of a man that is no longer with us. Coleman is the manager not speed. Speed took that privilege away from himself.

Onward

Coleman has got a good management record? Now I know you're taking the piss!

Really?

Took fulham to 9th in the table then kept them up the following year after all their stars were sold.

Took real sociadad to 5th in la liga

Failed at Coventry

Took Larissa to top of the league unbeaten in 14 matches and the fans set up protests and roadblocks due to his departure.

Sounds pretty successful to me?

Funny that you say he can't be a football manager because he started as a fitness coach.

Wasn't Mourinho a translator? Brian McDermott was a chief scout.

Different people come into the job in different ways.

More nonsense.

This is football management not doctors and nurses. You are saying he should be given the job of managing Wales because he fixed bellamys knee.

And he didn't anyway, that's a ridiculous thing to say. Unless he has added surgeon to his already dubious CV. He is a fitness coach, this is all.

Football mamangement that was showing an amazing turn around from a team that under your arguement had no possible way of achieving it as 50% of that team was ONLY a fitness coach. And is Bellamy 100% fitter than he was before Dutch Rays involvement and now capable of playing two games in a week or not - care to argue that point?

Obviously, under Chrissie [how effeminate is that] Colemans regime or in your opinion fitness doesn't matter. Your obviously Colemans bum chum. I'm sure he'll show you his, if you show him yours. Better things to do than argue with know all jacks thanks.

Haha what?

Ray verhaijen is not the only fitness coach in the world you twonk. Just because he is no longer with us you are assuming fitness is not important? stop confusing football management with doing a decent job of making people fit, they are vastly different. The faw have a fantastic tea lady and makes the most wonderful tea, but I would hesitate to put her forward for the Wales job.

Speeds time with Wales is so overrated and now anyone coming in us going to struggle to live up to it. He lost 4 out of his first 5 games and then won a few friendlies and dead rubbers.

Funny that you say he can't be a football manager because he started as a fitness coach.

Wasn't Mourinho a translator? Brian McDermott was a chief scout.

Different people come into the job in different ways.

No, I said he can't be a football manager because he isn't qualified. Not because he started as a fitness coach, he IS a fitness coach, doesn't have the qualifications to manage Neath let alone Wales.

Don't let that get in the way of your want to appoint a mentalist with no experience or qualifications though.

You are a total muppet.

More nonsense.

This is football management not doctors and nurses. You are saying he should be given the job of managing Wales because he fixed bellamys knee.

And he didn't anyway, that's a ridiculous thing to say. Unless he has added surgeon to his already dubious CV. He is a fitness coach, this is all.

Football mamangement that was showing an amazing turn around from a team that under your arguement had no possible way of achieving it as 50% of that team was ONLY a fitness coach. And is Bellamy 100% fitter than he was before Dutch Rays involvement and now capable of playing two games in a week or not - care to argue that point?

Obviously, under Chrissie [how effeminate is that] Colemans regime or in your opinion fitness doesn't matter. Your obviously Colemans bum chum. I'm sure he'll show you his, if you show him yours. Better things to do than argue with know all jacks thanks.

Haha what?

Ray verhaijen is not the only fitness coach in the world you twonk. Just because he is no longer with us you are assuming fitness is not important? stop confusing football management with doing a decent job of making people fit, they are vastly different. The faw have a fantastic tea lady and makes the most wonderful tea, but I would hesitate to put her forward for the Wales job.

Speeds time with Wales is so overrated and now anyone coming in us going to struggle to live up to it. He lost 4 out of his first 5 games and then won a few friendlies and dead rubbers.

Funny how the players seemed to want to play for their fitness coach and now they don't for their highly qualified manager/coach/jack whatever you want to call him. Dutch Ray may not be the only fitness coach in the world, but he was the only one working with Wales at the time - you twonk.

Nobody said that. Ramsey asked for continuation and ray twisted that to say he was telling everyone he should have got the job. No sane or experienced player without an agenda would want ray verhaijen as football manager and that's a fact.

More nonsense.

This is football management not doctors and nurses. You are saying he should be given the job of managing Wales because he fixed bellamys knee.

And he didn't anyway, that's a ridiculous thing to say. Unless he has added surgeon to his already dubious CV. He is a fitness coach, this is all.

Football mamangement that was showing an amazing turn around from a team that under your arguement had no possible way of achieving it as 50% of that team was ONLY a fitness coach. And is Bellamy 100% fitter than he was before Dutch Rays involvement and now capable of playing two games in a week or not - care to argue that point?

Obviously, under Chrissie [how effeminate is that] Colemans regime or in your opinion fitness doesn't matter. Your obviously Colemans bum chum. I'm sure he'll show you his, if you show him yours. Better things to do than argue with know all jacks thanks.

Haha what?

Ray verhaijen is not the only fitness coach in the world you twonk. Just because he is no longer with us you are assuming fitness is not important? stop confusing football management with doing a decent job of making people fit, they are vastly different. The faw have a fantastic tea lady and makes the most wonderful tea, but I would hesitate to put her forward for the Wales job.

Speeds time with Wales is so overrated and now anyone coming in us going to struggle to live up to it. He lost 4 out of his first 5 games and then won a few friendlies and dead rubbers.

Hey John Hartson, I find your comments about Gary Speed distasteful, he had just started on his managerial career unlike that idiot Coleman so to compare their records is absurd
His standing in the game was by far superior to that alcoholic pleb Coleman, who's idea of attractive football is to hoof the ball at every opportunity as he has done at all the clubs he has managed.

Nigel adkins has not done to badly as a football manager and he was originally a physio

Ray Verheijen clubs he's worked with

Netherlands
Russia
South Korea
Gone to 3 World Cup
Gone to3 European Champions
Barcelona
Zenit St. Petersburg
Chelsea
Man City

Chris Coleman clubs he's worked with

Fulham
Real Sociedad
Coventry
Larissa

Hmmmm, yeh...

More nonsense.

This is football management not doctors and nurses. You are saying he should be given the job of managing Wales because he fixed bellamys knee.

And he didn't anyway, that's a ridiculous thing to say. Unless he has added surgeon to his already dubious CV. He is a fitness coach, this is all.

Football mamangement that was showing an amazing turn around from a team that under your arguement had no possible way of achieving it as 50% of that team was ONLY a fitness coach. And is Bellamy 100% fitter than he was before Dutch Rays involvement and now capable of playing two games in a week or not - care to argue that point?

Obviously, under Chrissie [how effeminate is that] Colemans regime or in your opinion fitness doesn't matter. Your obviously Colemans bum chum. I'm sure he'll show you his, if you show him yours. Better things to do than argue with know all jacks thanks.

Haha what?

Ray verhaijen is not the only fitness coach in the world you twonk. Just because he is no longer with us you are assuming fitness is not important? stop confusing football management with doing a decent job of making people fit, they are vastly different. The faw have a fantastic tea lady and makes the most wonderful tea, but I would hesitate to put her forward for the Wales job.

Speeds time with Wales is so overrated and now anyone coming in us going to struggle to live up to it. He lost 4 out of his first 5 games and then won a few friendlies and dead rubbers.

Hey John Hartson, I find your comments about Gary Speed distasteful, he had just started on his managerial career unlike that idiot Coleman so to compare their records is absurd
His standing in the game was by far superior to that alcoholic pleb Coleman, who's idea of attractive football is to hoof the ball at every opportunity as he has done at all the clubs he has managed.

Nigel adkins has not done to badly as a football manager and he was originally a physio

………and discussion comes to an end

Funny that you say he can't be a football manager because he started as a fitness coach.

Wasn't Mourinho a translator? Brian McDermott was a chief scout.

Different people come into the job in different ways.

Spot on fella.