FAO No Smoking.. CARDIFF /SWANSEA THE FACTS

05-06 season Cardiff 11,720 (average attendance) Swansea 14,112 (new stadium year for jacks so expected)
06-07 Cardiff 15,223 Swansea 12,720
07-08 Cardiff 13,939 Swansea 12,993
08-09 Cardiff 17,474 Swansea 15,187
09-10 Cardiff 20,717 Swansea 15,407
10-11 Cardiff 23,194 Swansea 15,507
11-12 Cardiff 22,100 Swansea 19,946

http://stats.football365.com/

This is the link here, just click on previous seasons and then on the year you want. These are the official stats with the link provided.
On a level playing field (i.e. when we are in the same league) they are no match for us. (unless there is a new stadium year)
Even the year after they had the new stadium and we were still in Np they could not do better.
Please supply link to your figures.

But we aint saying we are a big club unlike you.
And what you have failed to mention is that you were in the champ alot longer then us and you had the fa cup final plus no end of play offs to build the fan base up!and also the bug name players comming to your club

All this wile we were shit and struggling.
So off course you built up a bigger fan base.
But your away support has gone down over the years wile ours has gone up (even before we got to the prem).

But we aint saying we are a big club unlike you.
And what you have failed to mention is that you were in the champ alot longer then us and you had the fa cup final plus no end of play offs to build the fan base up!and also the bug name players comming to your club

All this wile we were shit and struggling.
So off course you built up a bigger fan base.
But your away support has gone down over the years wile ours has gone up (even before we got to the prem).

But we are a big club. We are the biggest in Wales.

But we aint saying we are a big club unlike you.
And what you have failed to mention is that you were in the champ alot longer then us and you had the fa cup final plus no end of play offs to build the fan base up!and also the bug name players comming to your club

All this wile we were shit and struggling.
So off course you built up a bigger fan base.
But your away support has gone down over the years wile ours has gone up (even before we got to the prem).

All correct. In fairness to the OP though, I think he was responding to an endless list of attendance stats on another thread.

I see many a thread on here regarding Ninian Park vs CCS and we had a dip at the Liberty once a few people realised that it would never live up to the memories of the old Vetch. The first season novelty wore off soon enough, the Liberty has improved over the last few years, but at first it was dreadful.

But we aint saying we are a big club unlike you.
And what you have failed to mention is that you were in the champ alot longer then us and you had the fa cup final plus no end of play offs to build the fan base up!and also the bug name players comming to your club

All part of our success as yours in the prem?

All this wile we were shit and struggling.
So off course you built up a bigger fan base.
But your away support has gone down over the years wile ours has gone up (even before we got to the prem).

All correct. In fairness to the OP though, I think he was responding to an endless list of attendance stats on another thread.

I see many a thread on here regarding Ninian Park vs CCS and we had a dip at the Liberty once a few people realised that it would never live up to the memories of the old Vetch. The first season novelty wore off soon enough, the Liberty has improved over the last few years, but at first it was dreadful.

Correct Scotsjack, thanks.
One thing I would like to know though,(from swansealad) is where are all the posts about us saying "we are a big club?"

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05-06 season Cardiff 11,720 (average attendance) Swansea 14,112 (new stadium year for jacks so expected)
06-07 Cardiff 15,223 Swansea 12,720
07-08 Cardiff 13,939 Swansea 12,993
08-09 Cardiff 17,474 Swansea 15,187
09-10 Cardiff 20,717 Swansea 15,407
10-11 Cardiff 23,194 Swansea 15,507
11-12 Cardiff 22,100 Swansea 19,946

http://stats.football365.com/

This is the link here, just click on previous seasons and then on the year you want. These are the official stats with the link provided.
On a level playing field (i.e. when we are in the same league) they are no match for us. (unless there is a new stadium year)
Even the year after they had the new stadium and we were still in Np they could not do better.
Please supply link to your figures.

Doubt he will respond ad he rarely does when proved wrong, which happens a lot. We all know he is roath or whatever other aliases he has so just treat him like the court jester he is

05-06 season Cardiff 11,720 (average attendance) Swansea 14,112 (new stadium year for jacks so expected)
06-07 Cardiff 15,223 Swansea 12,720
07-08 Cardiff 13,939 Swansea 12,993
08-09 Cardiff 17,474 Swansea 15,187
09-10 Cardiff 20,717 Swansea 15,407
10-11 Cardiff 23,194 Swansea 15,507
11-12 Cardiff 22,100 Swansea 19,946

http://stats.football365.com/

This is the link here, just click on previous seasons and then on the year you want. These are the official stats with the link provided.
On a level playing field (i.e. when we are in the same league) they are no match for us. (unless there is a new stadium year)
Even the year after they had the new stadium and we were still in Np they could not do better.
Please supply link to your figures.

Doubt he will respond ad he rarely does when proved wrong, which happens a lot. We all know he is roath or whatever other aliases he has so just treat him like the court jester he is

Oh I expect he'll respond with some shyte as per.

I actually signed up to this forum to reply to this topic:-

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33315

Regarding the Swans attendances at the time, there were a couple of digs about the economy playing a part at the time but I see it on threads here regarding yourselves these days. And I stand by the Sousa comments, absolute dirge being served up week in week out... Absolute sh*te!

I actually signed up to this forum to reply to this topic:-

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33315

Regarding the Swans attendances at the time, there were a couple of digs about the economy playing a part at the time but I see it on threads here regarding yourselves these days. And I stand by the Sousa comments, absolute dirge being served up week in week out... Absolute sh*te!

Out of interest where is Sousa now?

I actually signed up to this forum to reply to this topic:-

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33315

Regarding the Swans attendances at the time, there were a couple of digs about the economy playing a part at the time but I see it on threads here regarding yourselves these days. And I stand by the Sousa comments, absolute dirge being served up week in week out... Absolute sh*te!

Out of interest where is Sousa now?

Some team in Hungary I think? No idea tbh, he didn't even have the decency to hang around at Leicester long enough for us to play against him once he left

05-06 season Cardiff 11,720 (average attendance) Swansea 14,112 (new stadium year for jacks so expected)
06-07 Cardiff 15,223 Swansea 12,720
07-08 Cardiff 13,939 Swansea 12,993
08-09 Cardiff 17,474 Swansea 15,187
09-10 Cardiff 20,717 Swansea 15,407
10-11 Cardiff 23,194 Swansea 15,507
11-12 Cardiff 22,100 Swansea 19,946

http://stats.football365.com/

This is the link here, just click on previous seasons and then on the year you want. These are the official stats with the link provided.
On a level playing field (i.e. when we are in the same league) they are no match for us. (unless there is a new stadium year)
Even the year after they had the new stadium and we were still in Np they could not do better.
Please supply link to your figures.

Your stats are irrelevant as the two teams were at differing stages in the establishment in their respective leagues and sometimes even in completely differing leagues.

Swansea only spent 3 seasons in the championship and since then they have hit capacity for every game since.... So the 3 years in the championship compared to our first three season at that level are incredibly similar. Swansea a little higher in fact averaging Round the mid 14,000 where as we were just under the 14,000 mark.

Since then we have gone on to establish ourselves in the championship and they have been promoted to the prem and have had 22 consecutive sell outs.

That is not saying either team is bigger than the other, they are just the facts. When some of our fans take the piss when we have been exactly the same is a little cringeworthy.

Cardiff city ave attendance figures....

1999/00 (Division Two) - 6,895

2000/01 (Division Three) - 7,692

2001/02 (Division Two) - 12,522

2002/03 (Division Two) - 13,049

2003/04 (Championship) - 15,569

2004/05 (Championship) - 13,029

2005/06 (Championship) - 11,802

2006/07 (Championship) - 15,224

2007/08 (Championship) - 13,939

I actually signed up to this forum to reply to this topic:-

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33315

Regarding the Swans attendances at the time, there were a couple of digs about the economy playing a part at the time but I see it on threads here regarding yourselves these days. And I stand by the Sousa comments, absolute dirge being served up week in week out... Absolute sh*te!

Out of interest where is Sousa now?

Some team in Hungary I think? No idea tbh, he didn't even have the decency to hang around at Leicester long enough for us to play against him once he left

Of course forgot about his Leicester stint. Great player but great move binning him. Cheers SJ

Uncanny similarity in style of writing & tone / content as the dear departed Roath.

I wonder if they are, by any chance, related?

But we aint saying we are a big club unlike you.
And what you have failed to mention is that you were in the champ alot longer then us and you had the fa cup final plus no end of play offs to build the fan base up!and also the bug name players comming to your club

All this wile we were shit and struggling.
So off course you built up a bigger fan base.
But your away support has gone down over the years wile ours has gone up (even before we got to the prem).

I see you've been hitting your key board with your boxing gloves on again.

But we aint saying we are a big club unlike you.
And what you have failed to mention is that you were in the champ alot longer then us and you had the fa cup final plus no end of play offs to build the fan base up!and also the bug name players comming to your club

All this wile we were shit and struggling.
So off course you built up a bigger fan base.
But your away support has gone down over the years wile ours has gone up (even before we got to the prem).

I see you've been hitting your key board with your boxing gloves on again.

could it be you prefer to go to better away stadiums, instead of that spider looking stadium you have????

05-06 season Cardiff 11,720 (average attendance) Swansea 14,112 (new stadium year for jacks so expected)
06-07 Cardiff 15,223 Swansea 12,720
07-08 Cardiff 13,939 Swansea 12,993
08-09 Cardiff 17,474 Swansea 15,187
09-10 Cardiff 20,717 Swansea 15,407
10-11 Cardiff 23,194 Swansea 15,507
11-12 Cardiff 22,100 Swansea 19,946

http://stats.football365.com/


Swansea only spent 3 seasons in the championship and since then they have

hit capacity for every game since.... So the 3 years in the championship compared to our first three season at that level are incredibly similar. Swansea a little higher in fact averaging Round the mid 14,000 where as we were just under the 14,000 mark.

BOLLOCKS

Since then we have gone on to establish ourselves in the championship and they have been promoted to the prem and have had 22 consecutive sell outs.

That is not saying either team is bigger than the other, they are just the facts. When some of our fans take the piss when we have been exactly the same is a little cringeworthy.

Nope, only you are cringe-worthy.

Cardiff city ave attendance figures....

1999/00 (Division Two) - 6,895

2000/01 (Division Three) - 7,692

2001/02 (Division Two) - 12,522

2002/03 (Division Two) - 13,049

2003/04 (Championship) - 15,569

2004/05 (Championship) - 13,029

2005/06 (Championship) - 11,802

2006/07 (Championship) - 15,224

2007/08 (Championship) - 13,939

Here are the figures below, please explain how you get the same average?

You really are a troll!!




2002/03 (Division Two) - 13,049 Swansea

2003/04 (Championship) - 15,569 Swansea 6,856

2004/05 (Championship) - 13,029 Swansea 8,458

2005/06 (Championship) - 11,802 Swansea 14,112 (new stadium syndrome)

2006/07 (Championship) - 15,224 Swansea 12,720

2007/08 (Championship) - 13,939 Swansea 12,993

08-09 Cardiff 17,474 Swansea 15,187 CHAMPIONSHIP

09-10 Cardiff 20,717 Swansea 15,407 CHAMPIONSHIP

10-11 Cardiff 23,194 Swansea 15,507 CHAMPIONSHIP

11-12 Cardiff 22,100 Swansea 19,946

ONCE AGAIN HERE IS THE LINK>>>>>

http://stats.football365.com/

I don't really understand what's confusing you.

Our first 3 seasons in the championship averaged 13,900. Swansea averaged 15,300.

This is a fact.

You seem to want to compare our 6th, 7th and 8th with their 1st, 2nd and 3rd...

I don't really understand what's confusing you.

Our first 3 seasons in the championship averaged 13,900. Swansea averaged 15,300.

This is a fact.

You seem to want to compare our 6th, 7th and 8th with their 1st, 2nd and 3rd...

No, I'm going on average when we were both in the same division given all being equal.

To be fair, their first three seasons were in a new stadium which had a massive effect on their numbers as did ours when we moved.

So to be on a level playing field and all things equal it is best to look at it that way.
Both in new stadiums, both in the championship. No contest.

I don't really understand what's confusing you.

Our first 3 seasons in the championship averaged 13,900. Swansea averaged 15,300.

This is a fact.

You seem to want to compare our 6th, 7th and 8th with their 1st, 2nd and 3rd...

No, I'm going on average when we were both in the same division given all being equal.

To be fair, their first three seasons were in a new stadium which had a massive effect on their numbers as did ours when we moved.

So to be on a level playing field and all things equal it is best to look at it that way.
Both in new stadiums, both in the championship. No contest.

But it isn't equal. When they entered the championship we had already had chance to build our fanbase by playing at that level for so long, 2 years previous the jacks were in league 2. You don't go from 6,000 to 20,000 just because you get promoted as our trend in attendances has shown.

If Swansea were averaging 15,300 in their first 3 seasons in the champ while we could only manage 13,100 in our first three seasons then it would only be fair to assume Swansea would have also built on that the longer they stayed there like we did.

Promotion got in the way of that however and they now sell out every game.

I don't really understand what's confusing you.

Our first 3 seasons in the championship averaged 13,900. Swansea averaged 15,300.

This is a fact.

You seem to want to compare our 6th, 7th and 8th with their 1st, 2nd and 3rd...

No, I'm going on average when we were both in the same division given all being equal.

To be fair, their first three seasons were in a new stadium which had a massive effect on their numbers as did ours when we moved.

So to be on a level playing field and all things equal it is best to look at it that way.
Both in new stadiums, both in the championship. No contest.

But it isn't equal. When they entered the championship we had already had chance to build our fanbase by playing at that level for so long, 2 years previous the jacks were in league 2. You don't go from 6,000 to 20,000 just because you get promoted as our trend in attendances has shown. Yes you do, the jacks did.

If Swansea were averaging 15,300 in their first 3 seasons in the champ while we could only manage 13,100 in our first three seasons then it would only be fair to assume Swansea would have also built on that the longer they stayed there like we did.

Promotion got in the way of that however and they now sell out every game.

Bringing our success into to it has no bearing on it though. You mentioned their success (promotion to the prem) helping them fill the ground, earlier in the thread, as to why they have gone from 15,000 to 20,000.
Seriously, we have had better crowds than them for years. Given the level playing field, ie same division, they fall short.
Even in the last six years, (three of which have been their most successful ever) they fall short.
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Right, I'm suffering a bout of insomnia here so I'll try and give you as honest an insight into how things developed at the Swans over the past decade...(It might help me sleep, who knows?)

As I'm sure you are all aware, around 10 years ago, we were on our arse, a consortium of local businessmen had managed to get the club back off Tony Petty, but there was no money left. The short reign of Tony Petty had a positive effect in that it galvanised the supporters, our downtrodden club was about to turn things around and the fans, who for too long had neglected the club started paying attention again.

With the money problems at the club, at the end of the 2002/03 season, we found ourselves needing to beat Hull to stay in the football league, end result, the match was sold out! We won that day and kept our place in the league, by now, the supporters trust was gaining momentum and we wouldn't look back, I can remember at the time, buckets being handed round the back of the North Bank raising money to pay the players wages, then the buckets went round again collecting money for "The battle for Britton" as the club raised the money for Leon Brittons transfer fee.

It was with this bleak backdrop and bottom division football that the Liberty Stadium was given the go-ahead by the council, a 20,500 all seater stadium! At the time, more than enough.

What nobody could have guessed at the time, the club, the fans, the council, or anybody else, was that 8 years later, we would be promoted to the Premier league! 8 years!!!

In the short time we have been at the Liberty, the club have always run offers, kids for a quid, offers to schools etc. My boy used to regularly come home from school with a form where I would pay something like £10 and I could take 2 kids along with me for free, the Ospreys still do the same now. These offers would have bumped our attendances up a fair bit, but that wasn't what the club were trying to do, they were trying to get the kids going along. We have all been there at some point, that time where you go to your first game, it's magic when you are a kid and you finally get to see your first proper game.

During the close season this year, the Swans were given planning permission to expand the stadium, I might be wrong but I think I remember that eventually it could reach 30,000+, but this wont be done in one go, the plan is, that once Premier League football is guaranteed for next season, work will start on adding 5,000 seats in the first instance. The main priority as stated by Huw Jenkins in the Summer is to get these offers for the schools and kids back up and running A.S.A.P. And I think that is spot on.

As things stand at this moment in time, our club is run by a board of directors who once stood on the North Bank at the Vetch, they understand what the fans go through and I for one am very grateful for them, the supporters trust and all the other parties who contributed along the way, our attendances at the moment = Sold Out, every single week as far as the home section goes, sadly people do miss out because the stadium isn't big enough for the demand.

Sorry for the rant... Right, our attendances at the Liberty since we moved there, up until promotion to the Prem will have been boosted by the offers that the club used to run for kids, schools etc. I admire the fact that the club ran these offers and admire even more, the fact that if expansion goes ahead, these offers returning is a priority for the board.

You have higher attendances than us, no arguments from me, and as far as I'm aware, you can upgrade your stadium with far less fuss than we have had to go through.

So, just in theory, lets say 5 years from now and both clubs were established in the Premier League, I would take a guess that we would average around 26-28,000 and you could probably add another 4,000 to that over a season, once the novelty had worn off, sound about right?

Right, I'm suffering a bout of insomnia here so I'll try and give you as honest an insight into how things developed at the Swans over the past decade...(It might help me sleep, who knows?)

As I'm sure you are all aware, around 10 years ago, we were on our arse, a consortium of local businessmen had managed to get the club back off Tony Petty, but there was no money left. The short reign of Tony Petty had a positive effect in that it galvanised the supporters, our downtrodden club was about to turn things around and the fans, who for too long had neglected the club started paying attention again.

With the money problems at the club, at the end of the 2002/03 season, we found ourselves needing to beat Hull to stay in the football league, end result, the match was sold out! We won that day and kept our place in the league, by now, the supporters trust was gaining momentum and we wouldn't look back, I can remember at the time, buckets being handed round the back of the North Bank raising money to pay the players wages, then the buckets went round again collecting money for "The battle for Britton" as the club raised the money for Leon Brittons transfer fee.

It was with this bleak backdrop and bottom division football that the Liberty Stadium was given the go-ahead by the council, a 20,500 all seater stadium! At the time, more than enough.

What nobody could have guessed at the time, the club, the fans, the council, or anybody else, was that 8 years later, we would be promoted to the Premier league! 8 years!!!

In the short time we have been at the Liberty, the club have always run offers, kids for a quid, offers to schools etc. My boy used to regularly come home from school with a form where I would pay something like £10 and I could take 2 kids along with me for free, the Ospreys still do the same now. These offers would have bumped our attendances up a fair bit, but that wasn't what the club were trying to do, they were trying to get the kids going along. We have all been there at some point, that time where you go to your first game, it's magic when you are a kid and you finally get to see your first proper game.

During the close season this year, the Swans were given planning permission to expand the stadium, I might be wrong but I think I remember that eventually it could reach 30,000+, but this wont be done in one go, the plan is, that once Premier League football is guaranteed for next season, work will start on adding 5,000 seats in the first instance. The main priority as stated by Huw Jenkins in the Summer is to get these offers for the schools and kids back up and running A.S.A.P. And I think that is spot on.

As things stand at this moment in time, our club is run by a board of directors who once stood on the North Bank at the Vetch, they understand what the fans go through and I for one am very grateful for them, the supporters trust and all the other parties who contributed along the way, our attendances at the moment = Sold Out, every single week as far as the home section goes, sadly people do miss out because the stadium isn't big enough for the demand.

Sorry for the rant... Right, our attendances at the Liberty since we moved there, up until promotion to the Prem will have been boosted by the offers that the club used to run for kids, schools etc. I admire the fact that the club ran these offers and admire even more, the fact that if expansion goes ahead, these offers returning is a priority for the board.

You have higher attendances than us, no arguments from me, and as far as I'm aware, you can upgrade your stadium with far less fuss than we have had to go through.

So, just in theory, lets say 5 years from now and both clubs were established in the Premier League, I would take a guess that we would average around 26-28,000 and you could probably add another 4,000 to that over a season, once the novelty had worn off, sound about right?

Spot on I reckon.
Hope it helps you sleep.
G'night.

You agree with him?

So all this nonsense for 4,000 fans.

Like it or not, both clubs attendances are very similar if compared to when each club was at a similar level, both in league and length of time in that league in order to build the fan base.

It's clear they need a ground increase so we will then have a greater indication of the demand for tickets, but considering they have had 23 consecutive sellouts before even reaching general release it's hard to doubt it.

You agree with him?

So all this nonsense for 4,000 fans.

Like it or not, both clubs attendances are very similar if compared to when each club was at a similar level, both in league and length of time in that league in order to build the fan base.

It's clear they need a ground increase so we will then have a greater indication of the demand for tickets, but considering they have had 23 consecutive sellouts before even reaching general release it's hard to doubt it.

But when at the same level they are not!!
You just don't get it do you, even he is saying we get bigger crowds.

Show me where over the last ten years they average more than us regardless of division...(apart from the year they had the new stadium)

2003/04 (Championship) - 15,569 Swansea 6,856

2004/05 (Championship) - 13,029 Swansea 8,458

2005/06 (Championship) - 11,802 Swansea 14,112 (new stadium syndrome)

2006/07 (Championship) - 15,224 Swansea 12,720

2007/08 (Championship) - 13,939 Swansea 12,993

08-09 Cardiff 17,474 Swansea 15,187 CHAMPIONSHIP

09-10 Cardiff 20,717 Swansea 15,407 CHAMPIONSHIP

10-11 Cardiff 23,194 Swansea 15,507 CHAMPIONSHIP

11-12 Cardiff 22,100 Swansea 19,946

ONCE AGAIN HERE IS THE LINK>>>>> http://stats.football365.com/

The answer is....THEY DON'T!!!

Frigging troll!

Over last 9 seasons Cardiff total average 160,097 divided by 9 = 17,788
Over last 9 seasons Swansea total average 121,186 divided by 9 = 13,465

Not similar at all, averaging 4,000 more per game over nine years, that is a big difference.

You agree with him?

So all this nonsense for 4,000 fans.

Like it or not, both clubs attendances are very similar if compared to when each club was at a similar level, both in league and length of time in that league in order to build the fan base.

It's clear they need a ground increase so we will then have a greater indication of the demand for tickets, but considering they have had 23 consecutive sellouts before even reaching general release it's hard to doubt it.

But when at the same level they are not!!
You just don't get it do you, even he is saying we get bigger crowds.

Show me where over the last ten years they average more than us regardless of division...(apart from the year they had the new stadium)

2003/04 (Championship) - 15,569 Swansea 6,856

2004/05 (Championship) - 13,029 Swansea 8,458

2005/06 (Championship) - 11,802 Swansea 14,112 (new stadium syndrome)

2006/07 (Championship) - 15,224 Swansea 12,720

2007/08 (Championship) - 13,939 Swansea 12,993

08-09 Cardiff 17,474 Swansea 15,187 CHAMPIONSHIP

09-10 Cardiff 20,717 Swansea 15,407 CHAMPIONSHIP

10-11 Cardiff 23,194 Swansea 15,507 CHAMPIONSHIP

11-12 Cardiff 22,100 Swansea 19,946

ONCE AGAIN HERE IS THE LINK>>>>> http://stats.football365.com/

The answer is....THEY DON'T!!!

Frigging troll!

Over last 9 seasons Cardiff total average 160,097 divided by 9 = 17,788
Over last 9 seasons Swansea total average 121,186 divided by 9 = 13,465

Not similar at all, averaging 4,000 more per game over nine years, that is a big difference.

I'm not sure if you are deliberately being an idiot or just trolling. But I'll bite.

Over the last 9 years we have been in the championship while they have been mostly been at a lower level than the championship. The point of comparing those is what exactly? There isn't one.

YOU want to compare our 5th, 6th and 7th season in the champ with their 1st, 2nd and 3rd essentially .... Yes we are in the same league but had an extra 5-7 years to build the fan base, hardly a fair comparison.

FAIRNESS suggests not only should we compare when in he same league but also the same stage of establishment in that league. Swansea were only there for 3 years so that's all we have to go on. They averaged 15,300 in comparison to our 13,100 when in our first 3 years. It took us another 3 years to get out of that average to attendances we are used to today, who's to say Swansea wouldn't have done the same?

Instead they got promoted and have packed thir stadium to bursting pont every week.

As for the 4000 fans, that was his opinion and you said spot on. Although the stats suggest it may be 4000 but in favour of the jacks should there be no restriction in boh capacities.

Adam Morgan continuing this charade I see! Amazing what a bit of digging brings up...

Hate to say it but actual bodies in the ground, the Jacks are winning the attendance thing at the moment. Slag me off if you wish but with so many ST holders staying away it's not good. Against Birmingham our attendance was only around 16.000 and looking around the ground it looked like it.
It's all very school playground stuff I have more friends than you shit. Keep it real. I am more concerned we will be loosing our nickname next Season

Right, I'm suffering a bout of insomnia here so I'll try and give you as honest an insight into how things developed at the Swans over the past decade...(It might help me sleep, who knows?)

As I'm sure you are all aware, around 10 years ago, we were on our arse, a consortium of local businessmen had managed to get the club back off Tony Petty, but there was no money left. The short reign of Tony Petty had a positive effect in that it galvanised the supporters, our downtrodden club was about to turn things around and the fans, who for too long had neglected the club started paying attention again.

With the money problems at the club, at the end of the 2002/03 season, we found ourselves needing to beat Hull to stay in the football league, end result, the match was sold out! We won that day and kept our place in the league, by now, the supporters trust was gaining momentum and we wouldn't look back, I can remember at the time, buckets being handed round the back of the North Bank raising money to pay the players wages, then the buckets went round again collecting money for "The battle for Britton" as the club raised the money for Leon Brittons transfer fee.

It was with this bleak backdrop and bottom division football that the Liberty Stadium was given the go-ahead by the council, a 20,500 all seater stadium! At the time, more than enough.

What nobody could have guessed at the time, the club, the fans, the council, or anybody else, was that 8 years later, we would be promoted to the Premier league! 8 years!!!

In the short time we have been at the Liberty, the club have always run offers, kids for a quid, offers to schools etc. My boy used to regularly come home from school with a form where I would pay something like £10 and I could take 2 kids along with me for free, the Ospreys still do the same now. These offers would have bumped our attendances up a fair bit, but that wasn't what the club were trying to do, they were trying to get the kids going along. We have all been there at some point, that time where you go to your first game, it's magic when you are a kid and you finally get to see your first proper game.

During the close season this year, the Swans were given planning permission to expand the stadium, I might be wrong but I think I remember that eventually it could reach 30,000+, but this wont be done in one go, the plan is, that once Premier League football is guaranteed for next season, work will start on adding 5,000 seats in the first instance. The main priority as stated by Huw Jenkins in the Summer is to get these offers for the schools and kids back up and running A.S.A.P. And I think that is spot on.

As things stand at this moment in time, our club is run by a board of directors who once stood on the North Bank at the Vetch, they understand what the fans go through and I for one am very grateful for them, the supporters trust and all the other parties who contributed along the way, our attendances at the moment = Sold Out, every single week as far as the home section goes, sadly people do miss out because the stadium isn't big enough for the demand.

Sorry for the rant... Right, our attendances at the Liberty since we moved there, up until promotion to the Prem will have been boosted by the offers that the club used to run for kids, schools etc. I admire the fact that the club ran these offers and admire even more, the fact that if expansion goes ahead, these offers returning is a priority for the board.

You have higher attendances than us, no arguments from me, and as far as I'm aware, you can upgrade your stadium with far less fuss than we have had to go through.

So, just in theory, lets say 5 years from now and both clubs were established in the Premier League, I would take a guess that we would average around 26-28,000 and you could probably add another 4,000 to that over a season, once the novelty had worn off, sound about right?

Once again a very good/fair response, (shame the other knuckle heads/jacks don't post the same way) yes our stadium can be increased very quickly, it can go up to 35,000 in a matter of a couple of months, (summer) the main structure of the stadium was built to hold 60,000 which could be achieved over a 12 month period if required, the one thing i dissagree with is if we got to the premiership, our 35,000 would not be big enough for the demand, now that may well level out after a period of sustained top level football, but at first it certainly would'nt be big enough.

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Regarding the Swans attendances at the time, there were a couple of digs about the economy playing a part at the time but I see it on threads here regarding yourselves these days. And I stand by the Sousa comments, absolute dirge being served up week in week out... Absolute sh*te!

Out of interest where is Sousa now?

Some team in Hungary I think? No idea tbh, he didn't even have the decency to hang around at Leicester long enough for us to play against him once he left

Cracker

Mind the scruffy c**t did fit in well down your place

Adam Morgan continuing this charade I see! Amazing what a bit of digging brings up...

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