OPTIMISTS AND PESSIMISTS

An optimist would say the bottle is half full, a pessimist would say it's half empty, but there's a few on these message boards that would say, there's a hole in the bottle, it's only a small bottle, my bottle will smash one day, it's an awfully expensive bottle, my bottle is the wrong colour, I bet someone will steal the bottle.

For f**k sake, smell the roses, we are all different, and I like an occasional moan, but can't people ever relax and just enjoy the moment without constantly finding or trying to find something negative to moan about. And if there's nothing negative to moan about, then they turn into the what iffers!!

You know the type, what if the Bluebird disappears off the badge, what if they change the nickname, what if, they make us sit down, what if they make us wear a tie. How about what if everything works out Ok, let's give that one a try and just be hopeful.

Don't know about you, but the majority of my life supporting the City I have dreamt of times like this, for f**k sake we got people moaning about a twenty thousand plus crowd on the shittiest wettest night this year and four days after the last home game, let's have a reality check, we have grown our regular support massively over the last five years and increase it will but it is all down to success, if we win consistently and should heaven forbid get promotion, they will be putting up sold outs signs a week before, and people will pay whatever the price is asked for.

Remember the past, but don't try reliving it, the past is just that, look forward, but for fuxk sake try enjoying the moment now, because when you're gone, you're gone so don't waste time being negative, it ain't healthy.


Rant over, well for a minute or two.

I'm of same opinion don't care about shirt. Or badge and as been supporting. City. For. 42yrs. Club more important. Than symbols worn.

I'm of same opinion don't care about shirt. Or badge and as been supporting. City. For. 42yrs. Club more important. Than symbols worn.

To be honest my OP was nothing to do with the rebrand, it was more about the negativity in general of some of our fans, the rebrand is just a part of it, it's as if we got to have something to moan about.

Some people just love too moan about everything Gwyns right in what he's saying. I've Got a friend who holidays at least five times a year all over the world in five star luxury but she's never once come home and not complained about something it's a standing joke when she goes away. I seriously think she gets her thrill out of complaining and not the holiday. I think it the same with the football

Some people just love too moan about everything Gwyns right in what he's saying. I've Got a friend who holidays at least five times a year all over the world in five star luxury but she's never once come home and not complained about something it's a standing joke when she goes away. I seriously think she gets her thrill out of complaining and not the holiday. I think it the same with the football

we used to have a lad in Judo called Paul Radburn, what a miserable tw*t and a West Ham fan to boot, his best one was we were out running one day and one of the lads said to him, "nice weather Paul" and he said " can't see it lasting long"

He found a pay packet once with £200 inside and he was moaning about how much tax they'd taken. (made that bit up)

Must be honest. Tan certainly knows the SP now. So if he DOES do away with the Bluebird
I will be really really sick with anger. Because it will prove his total disdain for us, the fans.

However, I dont go along with any of Daya's rumours.

He's banned FFS. Is he seriously suggesting he knows more than any of us? What an arrogant
man.

So next time you hear a 'daya exclusive'... remember, all he has ever done is to speak negative
about everything to do with Tan/Malaysians/ Cardiff City... hes bound to get one right.

... Him and Angry Man were adamant Tan would be gone by now....

I rest my case.

Bitter guesswork

dear gwyn.....
i put out about the crowd being 20,000,and yep i was expecting more,i said i didnt think helgerson was a particularly good target man,but they are observations,i hate the rebranding and last night was particularly hard seeing brum in blue...maybe you are an optimist and maybe i am a pessimist,but maybe and just maybe i am a realist.....it was an awful night last night weather wise,but that was during the game,the early evening was fine,it wasnt bitterly cold,so to be honest,i was expecting a bigger turn out...especially as it was a big team,and as for helgerson,i did agree to watch his game more carefully,but from what i saw,i just dont think he contributes enough,
and as for rebranding ....sorry my friend but i am still not convinced that there is a valid reason for it,but again its just MY opinion.....
cheers kevin....

Must be honest. Tan certainly knows the SP now. So if he DOES do away with the Bluebird
I will be really really sick with anger. Because it will prove his total disdain for us, the fans.

However, I dont go along with any of Daya's rumours.

He's banned FFS. Is he seriously suggesting he knows more than any of us? What an arrogant
man.

So next time you hear a 'daya exclusive'... remember, all he has ever done is to speak negative
about everything to do with Tan/Malaysians/ Cardiff City... hes bound to get one right.

... Him and Angry Man were adamant Tan would be gone by now....

I rest my case.

Bitter guesswork

Yes totally agree mate , the guy is riddled with bitterness .

If an optimist and a pessimist went on a journey to find a hidden treasure, the pessimist would moan like fook all the way even if they found it.
The optimist would have enjoyed the journey even if they never found it.

Chin up!

If an optimist and a pessimist went on a journey to find a hidden treasure, the pessimist would moan like fook all the way even if they found it.
The optimist would have enjoyed the journey even if they never found it.

Chin up!

like that one.

If an optimist and a pessimist went on a journey to find a hidden treasure, the pessimist would moan like fook all the way even if they found it.
The optimist would have enjoyed the journey even if they never found it.

Chin up!

like that one.

i liked that too!

i would say the bottle is neither half full nor half empty... its twice as big as it needs to be

Must be honest. Tan certainly knows the SP now. So if he DOES do away with the Bluebird
I will be really really sick with anger. Because it will prove his total disdain for us, the fans.

However, I dont go along with any of Daya's rumours.

He's banned FFS. Is he seriously suggesting he knows more than any of us? What an arrogant
man.

So next time you hear a 'daya exclusive'... remember, all he has ever done is to speak negative
about everything to do with Tan/Malaysians/ Cardiff City... hes bound to get one right.

... Him and Angry Man were adamant Tan would be gone by now....

I rest my case.

Bitter guesswork

Yes totally agree mate , the guy is riddled with bitterness .

Not rocket science mate...

He has become more prevalent again lately SINCE WE HAVE BEEN WINNING.

It is eating away at him

Its just insignificance screaming to be heard. mix enough possibilities with a few facts
and you have an audience, fair enough, he's not the only one to do it! BUT TAN IS STILL
HERE.. So the biggest load of bollocks he stated have proven to be.. erm ... BOLLOCKS!!!

BUT....

Why does he bother. Never mind his "I'm finished with Cardiff City" statement after we
beat West Ham last season...

the point is.. CARDIFF CITY IS FINISHED WITH HIM

Must be honest. Tan certainly knows the SP now. So if he DOES do away with the Bluebird
I will be really really sick with anger. Because it will prove his total disdain for us, the fans.

However, I dont go along with any of Daya's rumours.

He's banned FFS. Is he seriously suggesting he knows more than any of us? What an arrogant
man.

So next time you hear a 'daya exclusive'... remember, all he has ever done is to speak negative
about everything to do with Tan/Malaysians/ Cardiff City... hes bound to get one right.

... Him and Angry Man were adamant Tan would be gone by now....

I rest my case.

Bitter guesswork

Yes totally agree mate , the guy is riddled with bitterness .

Not rocket science mate...

He has become more prevalent again lately SINCE WE HAVE BEEN WINNING.

It is eating away at him

Its just insignificance screaming to be heard. mix enough possibilities with a few facts
and you have an audience, fair enough, he's not the only one to do it! BUT TAN IS STILL
HERE.. So the biggest load of bollocks he stated have proven to be.. erm ... BOLLOCKS!!!

BUT....

Why does he bother. Never mind his "I'm finished with Cardiff City" statement after we
beat West Ham last season...

the point is.. CARDIFF CITY IS FINISHED WITH HIM

He's like a bad smell.

Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern

A pessimist is one who makes difficulties of his opportunities and an optimist is one who makes opportunities of his difficulties. ~Harry Truman

Optimist: someone who figures that taking a step backward after taking a step forward is not a disaster, it's a cha-cha. ~Robert Brault

An optimist is someone who figures that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's the bluebird of happiness. ~Robert Brault

Of course I look at the glass half full. The only time I would look at it half empty is when I think about how good the first half tasted. ~Drew Deyoung

Some people are so fond of ill-luck that they run half-way to meet it. ~Douglas Jerrold, "Meeting Troubles Half-Way," 1859

In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip. ~Daniel L. Reardon

The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true. ~James Branch Cabell, The Silver Stallion, 1926

A pessimist's blood type is always B-negative. ~Author Unknown

Pessimist: One who, when he has the choice of two evils, chooses both. ~Oscar Wilde

A pessimist is a man who thinks all women are bad. An optimist is a man who hopes they are. ~Chauncey Mitchell Depew

There is no sadder sight than a young pessimist. ~Mark Twain

How many pessimists end up by desiring the things they fear, in order to prove that they are right? ~Robert Mallett, Apostilles, 1972

It can be said of optimism that while sometimes mistaken, it is never sadly mistaken. ~Robert Brault

The place where optimism most flourishes is the lunatic asylum. ~Havelock Ellis, The Dance of Life, 1923

Always borrow money from a pessimist, he doesn't expect to be paid back. ~Author Unknown

After 5000 years of recorded human history, you wonder, What part of 2,000,000 sunrises doesn't a pessimist understand? ~Robert Brault

An optimist would say the bottle is half full, a pessimist would say it's half empty, but there's a few on these message boards that would say, there's a hole in the bottle, it's only a small bottle, my bottle will smash one day, it's an awfully expensive bottle, my bottle is the wrong colour, I bet someone will steal the bottle.

For f**k sake, smell the roses, we are all different, and I like an occasional moan, but can't people ever relax and just enjoy the moment without constantly finding or trying to find something negative to moan about. And if there's nothing negative to moan about, then they turn into the what iffers!!

You know the type, what if the Bluebird disappears off the badge, what if they change the nickname, what if, they make us sit down, what if they make us wear a tie. How about what if everything works out Ok, let's give that one a try and just be hopeful.

Don't know about you, but the majority of my life supporting the City I have dreamt of times like this, for f**k sake we got people moaning about a twenty thousand plus crowd on the shittiest wettest night this year and four days after the last home game, let's have a reality check, we have grown our regular support massively over the last five years and increase it will but it is all down to success, if we win consistently and should heaven forbid get promotion, they will be putting up sold outs signs a week before, and people will pay whatever the price is asked for.

Remember the past, but don't try reliving it, the past is just that, look forward, but for fuxk sake try enjoying the moment now, because when you're gone, you're gone so don't waste time being negative, it ain't healthy.


Rant over, well for a minute or two.

Couldn't agree with you more!

Don't know about you, but the majority of my life supporting the City I have dreamt of times like this

In my 37 years as a City fan, I never once dreamt the 'Bluebirds' would be playing home games in a red and black kit with a dragon for an emblem while a Malaysian Chinese dictator shaped the club to appeal to an audience of TV viewers in the Far East.

That's no dream as far as I'm concerned. It's a nightmare.

Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern

A pessimist is one who makes difficulties of his opportunities and an optimist is one who makes opportunities of his difficulties. ~Harry Truman

Optimist: someone who figures that taking a step backward after taking a step forward is not a disaster, it's a cha-cha. ~Robert Brault

An optimist is someone who figures that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's the bluebird of happiness. ~Robert Brault

Of course I look at the glass half full. The only time I would look at it half empty is when I think about how good the first half tasted. ~Drew Deyoung

Some people are so fond of ill-luck that they run half-way to meet it. ~Douglas Jerrold, "Meeting Troubles Half-Way," 1859

In the long run the pessimist may be proved right, but the optimist has a better time on the trip. ~Daniel L. Reardon

Absolutely love this, sums it all up for me.

The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true. ~James Branch Cabell, The Silver Stallion, 1926

A pessimist's blood type is always B-negative. ~Author Unknown

Pessimist: One who, when he has the choice of two evils, chooses both. ~Oscar Wilde

A pessimist is a man who thinks all women are bad. An optimist is a man who hopes they are. ~Chauncey Mitchell Depew

There is no sadder sight than a young pessimist. ~Mark Twain

How many pessimists end up by desiring the things they fear, in order to prove that they are right? ~Robert Mallett, Apostilles, 1972

It can be said of optimism that while sometimes mistaken, it is never sadly mistaken. ~Robert Brault

The place where optimism most flourishes is the lunatic asylum. ~Havelock Ellis, The Dance of Life, 1923

Always borrow money from a pessimist, he doesn't expect to be paid back. ~Author Unknown

After 5000 years of recorded human history, you wonder, What part of 2,000,000 sunrises doesn't a pessimist understand? ~Robert Brault

You should always borrow money from pessimists. They don’t expect it back.

wish i had a bottle

Good win tonight but...

Don't know about you, but the majority of my life supporting the City I have dreamt of times like this

In my 37 years as a City fan, I never once dreamt the 'Bluebirds' would be playing home games in a red and black kit with a dragon for an emblem while a Malaysian Chinese dictator shaped the club to appeal to an audience of TV viewers in the Far East.

That's no dream as far as I'm concerned. It's a nightmare.

Gunman, while I admire you for sticking to your guns, I think trying to claim it's a nightmare is going off on the deep end.

Yes, the shirts and logo change are bitter pills to swallow, but those bitter pills are bringing us potentially the best football played by the best team we've ever seen.

So what if Tan wants some sort of PPV trade-off in Malaysia? Surely that will just result in more revenue, more signings like Noone, Maynard and Bellers and an even better on field product?

Chatted to a mate last night and we both agreed that give it 10 years and there will be a new generation of fans that won't know any different. They themselves would be kicking off if we tried to change back to blue.

That was us thinking with our glass half full

Chatted to a mate last night and we both agreed that give it 10 years and there will be a new generation of fans that won't know any different. They themselves would be kicking off if we tried to change back to blue.

That was us thinking with our glass half full

And you're probably right too!!!

My bottle is always half full, daya's is always empty lately (normally a sunday night), but thats the joys of the net. I would moan about something if we won 5-0 every game but thats just me i can not help it, its like a wanking habbit i carnt seem to shake it off, i know what you mean though gwyn but this place brings all sorts of weird and odd people including me who love a good chuckle

My bottle is always half full, daya's is always empty lately (normally a sunday night), but thats the joys of the net. I would moan about something if we won 5-0 every game but thats just me i can not help it, its like a wanking habbit i carnt seem to shake it off, i know what you mean though gwyn but this place brings all sorts of weird and odd people including me who love a good chuckle

true, very true it takes all sorts....add me tomthe list

Gwynn, if you can't deal with other people's opinions or thoughts.. Why post on a message board?

Gwynn, if you can't deal with other people's opinions or thoughts.. Why post on a message board?

Im sure he can deal with them chuckle hes just having his, if you read it, maybe put yours in here like i and others have done, thats what its all about

Gunman, while I admire you for sticking to your guns, I think trying to claim it's a nightmare is going off on the deep end.

Yes, the shirts and logo change are bitter pills to swallow, but those bitter pills are bringing us potentially the best football played by the best team we've ever seen.

So what if Tan wants some sort of PPV trade-off in Malaysia? Surely that will just result in more revenue, more signings like Noone, Maynard and Bellers and an even better on field product?

That's certainly one way of looking at it.

Another is that the club is rapidly being stripped of its identity and dignity.

During the last 37 years, it has never mattered a great deal to me what division the team has been playing in or how good the players are - I've always felt a part of the club, I've always felt proud to be a part of it and I've always been there to support it.

Sadly, I don't feel that way at all now. On the contrary, the plastic monstrosity Vincent Tan has been busy creating is barely recognisable from the club I have supported for most of my life. To me, it represents everything that is wrong about the modern game and I feel almost totally detached from it.

While the majority may be happy enough while a Chinese dictator is throwing money at the squad and the team is playing well, there is also a significant percentage of fans who are distinctly uncomfortable with they way things are going and who no longer feel the same kind of affection for the club they have supported all their lives. Meanwhile, others like myself have become so pissed off by what has been happening here this year that we have decided to either take a break from it or walk away completely.

The events of this summer have affected lots of fans in a lot of different ways. I don't think anybody could deny that, regardless of where they stand on the re-branding issue. For supporters like Gwyn Davies, the situation is apparently a dream come true. For plenty of others, it is an absolute nightmare.

Gunman, while I admire you for sticking to your guns, I think trying to claim it's a nightmare is going off on the deep end.

Yes, the shirts and logo change are bitter pills to swallow, but those bitter pills are bringing us potentially the best football played by the best team we've ever seen.

So what if Tan wants some sort of PPV trade-off in Malaysia? Surely that will just result in more revenue, more signings like Noone, Maynard and Bellers and an even better on field product?

That's certainly one way of looking at it.

Another is that the club is rapidly being stripped of its identity and dignity.

During the last 37 years, it has never mattered a great deal to me what division the team has been playing in or how good the players are - I've always felt a part of the club, I've always felt proud to be a part of it and I've always been there to support it.

Sadly, I don't feel that way at all now. On the contrary, the plastic monstrosity Vincent Tan has been busy creating is barely recognisable from the club I have supported for most of my life. To me, it represents everything that is wrong about the modern game and I feel almost totally detached from it.

While the majority may be happy enough while a Chinese dictator is throwing money at the squad and the team is playing well, there is also a significant percentage of fans who are distinctly uncomfortable with they way things are going and who no longer feel the same kind of affection for the club they have supported all their lives. Meanwhile, others like myself have become so pissed off by what has been happening here this year that we have decided to either take a break from it or walk away completely.

The events of this summer have affected lots of fans in a lot of different ways. I don't think anybody could deny that, regardless of where they stand on the re-branding issue. For supporters like Gwyn Davies, the situation is apparently a dream come true. For plenty of others, it is an absolute nightmare.

I've been a CCFC fan since 1976, so I know your face from way back.

It's really sad that people like you have been driven away from the club and I think I might have done the same, if it hadn't been for the fact that my son is only young and loves supporting the City.

I sincerely hope you'll return, Dave and that we are all shown a bit more respect in future and that the damage can be mended between certain fans.