Is a type of communism the answer for Britain?

Having read up on the issue of communism vs capitalism I have come to the conclusion that I think communism in the right hands is much better. Many of those who used to live in communist countries want it back and whether that is nostalgia or the fact that capitalism has not

delivered is only something they will know. Some people under communist leadership had a view that capitalism would give them freedom but whilst it gives you more change to climb to the top of the ladder for individual gain it does not guarantee the essentials. i.e. food on the table, free education, shelter and a job.

I believe communism also can cut social consumerism. If everyone is placed on the same level then there will be no desire to selfishly get to the top and people through generations will come around to the idea of contributing to benefit their neighbours and those in the community thus helping stop the current socio-economic problems we now face today. i.e. London Riots.

Surely social security and stability is more important than attaining a mass amount of wealth, more than you could ever really need to live a satisfactory life. The lack of money and distribution of wealth means that many fail to get the required help to attain the education they deserve and the middle class and lower classes get hit the hardest, as we all know.

Problems of todays society

Lack of respect for elders
Pension issues and lack of aid
Not everyone getting the right access to education
Consumerism and greed driven by a selfish capitalist regime - bankers are a perfect example
Unemployment which leads to criminal behaviour and a broken society

What communism could bring

Better distribution of wealth to help aid education, pensions, etc.
A different attitude towards work and people given jobs to do whatever to contribute to society which then leads to them feeling as if they are worth something
A stable income means they get food on the table and clothes on their back which would also reduce crime
A roof over everyone's head and knowing it is there - no mortgages to worry about etc.
Less consumerism

Capitalism is a dog eat dog world where those who fight their way to the top survive at the expense of others. We should live in a communist society under proper rule (important) and make sure everyone has a decent life. The reason communism doesn't exist is because those at the top would lose their control of the money and in capitalism they can keep feeding their own greed. Communism would be better for the average Joe, the people at the top fear that.

Russia moved from an agrarian society to become revolutionised in terms of industry in less than 50 years. That is definitely needed in Britain. An industrial revolution to get people in jobs is needed and to make communities come together as one and work together for the greater good.

Im obviously from a moral point not talking about the type of 'communism' that Stalin was about. i.e. dictatorship and tyranny. You can have a communist state without those involved which is obviously the answer.

Obvious because of human greed, to counter act this there should be tough penalties for people manipulating the system for their own gain at the cost of the others in the country. It should be seen as stealing from your fellow man and carry a large sentence.

The purpose should be 'everyone works and in return everyone gets the essentials they need to live'.

Britain needs to introduce a new form of communism, one that has never been seen in another country or we will continue to see the unemployed and greedy run riot whether its in banks or on the streets of our very cities. There is no security or stability for the youth of today. They have to rape and pillage their way to the top at the expense of other people who then get knocked down the economic chain to suffer which then has a direct knock on effect thus creating the social divide between classes we are all aware of.

Whilst the communist ethos of jobs for everyone was laudible, the reality of it meant that queues for even the most basic of essentials. In Europe in the 1980s, it was possible to spend hopurs trying to get a loaf of bread - I am sure not too many are dewy eyed about that side of it.

I am no great advocate of capitalism, but it does give people choices about the direction of their own lives. Sadly, the model we are following i.e. Consumerism is driven by the greediest, selfless and power crazy that means the only thing that matters is profits.

Holly mother of god comrade : o

Whilst the communist ethos of jobs for everyone was laudible, the reality of it meant that queues for even the most basic of essentials. In Europe in the 1980s, it was possible to spend hopurs trying to get a loaf of bread - I am sure not too many are dewy eyed about that side of it.

I am no great advocate of capitalism, but it does give people choices about the direction of their own lives. Sadly, the model we are following i.e. Consumerism is driven by the greediest, selfless and power crazy that means the only thing that matters is profits.

We are living in a capitalist communist society. We only have to look at our club to see that, a rich man having it all his own way.

Consumerism is something I detest but I'am in a position where I can do nothing about it. My last job is a pure example of that. I was a project manager where I had an off shore team in India working on a project that was going to make money for mymasters in America. The product being made from this project was British through and through yet the beneficiaries were mainly India and America. I struggled with this.

I suppose I should be greatful that I have had the choices to pick my jobs although this day and age those choices are getting less and less thanks to jobs going abroad. The long answer I see under this system is to allow nature to run its cause and let the cost of moving jobs abroad catch up with the cost here in the UK. The short term answer is a revolution but that is quite scary.

The only people who want communism back are the ones in the socialist party that ran it. They had everything and ensured the others got nothing while telling them they cared.

Long queues for basics like bread were common place (unless you were a party member)

Cleaners in hospitals getting the same pay as doctors.

The problem they have is that they have lurched from one extreme to another.
Poverty and being in a nanny state where they are told what to do and think to suddenly being released from the chains of socialism and in many ways all hell was let loose. I think people like Abramovich in Russia (amongst others) got a head start and is now a multi millionaire. It was not a phased in change to help everyone. They have no history of democracy or private managed businesses, only the incompetent state controlled model.
It will take generations to even out as the new and young people adapt and see what can be achieved, whereas the old will always hanker after the "good old days".

Communism wouldn't work unless there was an elected group who specialize in the specific area of the government and would have to take into account everyone's view on the subject. ultimately most communism just ends up withal fascist dictator

Communism wouldn't work unless there was an elected group who specialize in the specific area of the government and would have to take into account everyone's view on the subject. ultimately most communism just ends up withal fascist dictator

The long bread queues were down to the West and its push to be ahead of the East with technology. Communist Russia felt under threat by the West so had to match them. The only way they could do this was divert their resources away from their main goal which was the people therefore making the people suffer. With this threat it would be interesting to see how Russia would have grown.

Wasn't it the old soviet leader Brezhnev that once said."In the Soviet Union everyone is equal,though some are more equal than others"

Wasn't it the old soviet leader Brezhnev that once said."In the Soviet Union everyone is equal,though some are more equal than others"

No that was in Animal Farm.

Interesting program about this subject on last night, about Karl Marx, on BBC2 i think. "Masters of money" available on iplayer now.
I didn't know that he was born in Germany.

Communism only works if the majority of the population accepts it.

Wasn't it the old soviet leader Brezhnev that once said."In the Soviet Union everyone is equal,though some are more equal than others"

No that was in Animal Farm.

Thanks for that,I knew I'd read it somewhere. Its been 40 yrs since I read that book so perhaps I can be excused for attributing that saying to the wrong person but it is never the less true.Communism is a utopic ideal that although wonderful by design never works when its left to humans to abide by it.History tells us that.

Communism can only survive in a basically agricultural economy, hence the best example of it being Cuba, as mentioned previously all the other big communist countries are basically dictatorships some of the worst dictators ever were comunists, Uncle Joe Stalin for example. Basically i think the best we can hope for currently is a hardening of the Labour party policies away from their current policies of appealing to the middle england votes (which it needs to get back into power hence catch 22 situation) whilst abandoning the needs of it's traditional working class areas where basically a donkey in a red rossette could get elected.
Me personally i'd go for a more answerable form of democracy with the constituents telling a MP which way to vote not his party, surely in this day an age of social media there must be a simple way of getting your views across on major changes in law or government. Could be a website where all voters in the area are registered and just do a simple vote for or against on various changes then whatever is winning by the cut off time thats the way your MP votes?

Interesting program about this subject on last night, about Karl Marx, on BBC2 i think. "Masters of money" available on iplayer now.
I didn't know that he was born in Germany.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... oney_Marx/

Wasn't it the old soviet leader Brezhnev that once said."In the Soviet Union everyone is equal,though some are more equal than others"

No that was in Animal Farm.

Thanks for that,I knew I'd read it somewhere. Its been 40 yrs since I read that book so perhaps I can be excused for attributing that saying to the wrong person but it is never the less true.Communism is a utopic ideal that although wonderful by design never works when its left to humans to abide by it.History tells us that.

What a book though and so telling. Have you read 1984? An eye opener if there ever was one.

The thing about communism, ie. based on Marx's Communist Manifesto, is that it's an attempt to apply one particular "ideal" to every single aspect of life - that being, the abolition of private property - and I don't believe that's possible, or helpful. Particularly as Marx includes "the family" among other things as private property which would have to be abolished.

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watched a documentary on Marks philosophies and it was an eye opener, growing up communism was simply a negative word that belonged to shit on earth countries but when you actually understand it, especially vs capitalism....It just makes more sense.

Thats analysis for dummies.

Having read up on the issue of communism vs capitalism I have come to the conclusion that I think communism in the right hands is much better. Many of those who used to live in communist countries want it back and whether that is nostalgia or the fact that capitalism has not

delivered is only something they will know. Some people under communist leadership had a view that capitalism would give them freedom but whilst it gives you more change to climb to the top of the ladder for individual gain it does not guarantee the essentials. i.e. food on the table, free education, shelter and a job.

I believe communism also can cut social consumerism. If everyone is placed on the same level then there will be no desire to selfishly get to the top and people through generations will come around to the idea of contributing to benefit their neighbours and those in the community thus helping stop the current socio-economic problems we now face today. i.e. London Riots.

Surely social security and stability is more important than attaining a mass amount of wealth, more than you could ever really need to live a satisfactory life. The lack of money and distribution of wealth means that many fail to get the required help to attain the education they deserve and the middle class and lower classes get hit the hardest, as we all know.

Problems of todays society

Lack of respect for elders
Pension issues and lack of aid
Not everyone getting the right access to education
Consumerism and greed driven by a selfish capitalist regime - bankers are a perfect example
Unemployment which leads to criminal behaviour and a broken society

What communism could bring

Better distribution of wealth to help aid education, pensions, etc.
A different attitude towards work and people given jobs to do whatever to contribute to society which then leads to them feeling as if they are worth something
A stable income means they get food on the table and clothes on their back which would also reduce crime
A roof over everyone's head and knowing it is there - no mortgages to worry about etc.
Less consumerism

Capitalism is a dog eat dog world where those who fight their way to the top survive at the expense of others. We should live in a communist society under proper rule (important) and make sure everyone has a decent life. The reason communism doesn't exist is because those at the top would lose their control of the money and in capitalism they can keep feeding their own greed. Communism would be better for the average Joe, the people at the top fear that.

Russia moved from an agrarian society to become revolutionised in terms of industry in less than 50 years. That is definitely needed in Britain. An industrial revolution to get people in jobs is needed and to make communities come together as one and work together for the greater good.

Im obviously from a moral point not talking about the type of 'communism' that Stalin was about. i.e. dictatorship and tyranny. You can have a communist state without those involved which is obviously the answer.

Obvious because of human greed, to counter act this there should be tough penalties for people manipulating the system for their own gain at the cost of the others in the country. It should be seen as stealing from your fellow man and carry a large sentence.

The purpose should be 'everyone works and in return everyone gets the essentials they need to live'.

Britain needs to introduce a new form of communism, one that has never been seen in another country or we will continue to see the unemployed and greedy run riot whether its in banks or on the streets of our very cities. There is no security or stability for the youth of today. They have to rape and pillage their way to the top at the expense of other people who then get knocked down the economic chain to suffer which then has a direct knock on effect thus creating the social divide between classes we are all aware of.

Consumerism and greed driven by a selfish capitalist regime - bankers are a perfect example


And the rest of the so called establishment including our ever so honourable MP'S

The answer for Britain is to get rid of all our MP'S & replace them with people who actually know what it is like to live in the real world unlike the current lot who increasingly have only lived a pampered & privileged life

Well it works on this message board

Communism simply brings corruption of the highest order.

National service is what's needed - just look at the youth of today , a disgrace to the nation. Just watched the Valleys on MTV a fine example why National Service needs to be reinstalled and drill some respect,manners and dignity into today's youth because clearly the parents of today are unable to do it. If they are the future this country is well and truly fuked.

How naiive of you young Barnett. Whilst I wholeheartedly with your sentiment it sadly will not work. I have always been a big advocate for Britain employing a moderate communist state, not too extreme but certain elements of communism are flawless while others are deeply flawed it is just a shame they have all been tarnished with the dirty tag that is "COMMUNISM".

One thing about communism and equality, scumbag, powerful, rich cunts always rise to the top in terms of wealth and power so it is a truly frivolous endeavour down to the greedy and materialistic world we now live in.

How naiive of you young Barnett. Whilst I wholeheartedly with your sentiment it sadly will not work. I have always been a big advocate for Britain employing a moderate communist state, not too extreme but certain elements of communism are flawless while others are deeply flawed it is just a shame they have all been tarnished with the dirty tag that is "COMMUNISM".

One thing about communism and equality, scumbag, powerful, rich cunts always rise to the top in terms of wealth and power so it is a truly frivolous endeavour down to the greedy and materialistic world we now live in.

Appreciate your views on this debate mate.

Commie c@"*s

True Communism kills ambition.

Human beings are ambitious, they strive for better

Thats why Communism failed. Millions upon millions of downtrodden people
working their bollocks off day in day out for a pittance, whilst the 'higher echelons'
reap all the benefits. It leads to revolution!!!

The above statement sounds suspiciously like Capitalism too

Two extreme sides of the same coin

True Communism kills ambition.

Human beings are ambitious, they strive for better

Thats why Communism failed. Millions upon millions of downtrodden people
working their bollocks off day in day out for a pittance, whilst the 'higher echelons'
reap all the benefits. It leads to revolution!!!

The above statement sounds suspiciously like Capitalism too

Two extreme sides of the same coin

I disagree a perfect Communist society where it is all for one then the Human Race could be as ambitous as it wants and probably more advance now than it is. However it is a fantasy world because it could never happen. If people are all working for the better of everyone then everyone would reap the benefits their would be no heirchy. However it is a fantasy world because it could never happen.

True Communism kills ambition.

Human beings are ambitious, they strive for better

Thats why Communism failed. Millions upon millions of downtrodden people
working their bollocks off day in day out for a pittance, whilst the 'higher echelons'
reap all the benefits. It leads to revolution!!!

The above statement sounds suspiciously like Capitalism too

Two extreme sides of the same coin

I disagree a perfect Communist society where it is all for one then the Human Race could be as ambitous as it wants and probably more advance now than it is. However it is a fantasy world because it could never happen. If people are all working for the better of everyone then everyone would reap the benefits their would be no heirchy. However it is a fantasy world because it could never happen.

No chance. Human greed gets in the way. It fucked up Communism, and Capitalism
is failing miserably now too. Give just one man a foot up, and he will use it to stamp
on another mans head

True Communism kills ambition.

Human beings are ambitious, they strive for better

Thats why Communism failed. Millions upon millions of downtrodden people
working their bollocks off day in day out for a pittance, whilst the 'higher echelons'
reap all the benefits. It leads to revolution!!!

The above statement sounds suspiciously like Capitalism too

Two extreme sides of the same coin

I disagree a perfect Communist society where it is all for one then the Human Race could be as ambitous as it wants and probably more advance now than it is. However it is a fantasy world because it could never happen. If people are all working for the better of everyone then everyone would reap the benefits their would be no heirchy. However it is a fantasy world because it could never happen.

No chance. Human greed gets in the way. It fucked up Communism, and Capitalism
is failing miserably now too. Give just one man a foot up, and he will use it to stamp
on another mans head

Of course I agree thats why it wont work but in a perfect Communist society in theory we could be achieving far more just Human instinct would not make it work