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Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:13 pm

Why don't clubs like Manchester United take donations of their mass amount of fans via an online donation service to build up a fund to sign a world class striker?

Its an easy market to tap into surely. Then the fans get to vote on the official site who they want to sign with the raised funds.

United reportedly have over 600,000,000 fans worldwide. If even 1/6th donated £1 they would have built up a fund of £50m to sign a world class player. Plus a number of fans will donate more than £1 to the cause.

I don't get why clubs don't do it. Surely also with the poll if they can't sign a the player at the top they go to the next voted in player.

Also another way the fans cant really moan if they are getting what they want.

Surely this is a better method of raising funds than loans etc. I would donate if Cardiff had a massive fan base to tap into.

Also, is this a potential loophole of financial fair play? Because the club could say they earned it through the building of their large fan base?

Anyone else think this is a good idea for clubs struggling for cash but have a massive fan base? :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:16 pm

So fans would choose a player to sign? Im sure managers would love that.

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:24 pm

1/6th of 600million would be 100million per 1£ donation not 50million..

and although its a possibility, it will never be implemented.

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:28 pm

DaVyZz wrote:1/6th of 600million would be 100million per 1£ donation not 50million..

and although its a possibility, it will never be implemented.


You are right. Sorry, lapse of concentration. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:28 pm

Never work obviously

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:34 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:So fans would choose a player to sign? Im sure managers would love that.


Im sure Fergie would be heartbroken that the fans saved up enough to sign Wesley Sneijder.

This type of system could be what Liverpool need to do to save themselves. Can't see their owners splashing serious money, they're tight as hell. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:37 pm

What about wages on top of that or what happens if the player turns out shite?

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:40 pm

RedBluebird wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:So fans would choose a player to sign? Im sure managers would love that.


Im sure Fergie would be heartbroken that the fans saved up enough to sign Wesley Sneijder.

This type of system could be what Liverpool need to do to save themselves. Can't see their owners splashing serious money, they're tight as hell. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Oh yeah, really tight, best part of 150 mill in two seasons.

:?:

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:44 pm

CjBluebird17 wrote:What about wages on top of that or what happens if the player turns out shite?


If the player turns out shit then the fans have lost their money. They made the choice as a collective so they can't moan if he turns out shit. Im only saying it in regards to big player moves, players a lot of people know are big time players. Falcao is one for example but has a massive buy out clause. I know they could still flop in the Premiership but not as much of a risk as an unknown punt.

As for wages, some clubs would surely be able to cover it by the revenue generated or the owners could cover it. If Manchester raised £100m that would cover Falcao's buy out clause and his wages for a few years, maybe not his whole contract depending on his demands etc.

This in my opinion is something only clubs with massive fan bases can tap into. I dont think it'd work for us but I think a club like Liverpool are not being clever about this. The club have moaned all summer about the lack of funds, the fans have moaned all summer about no big player coming in, if they worked as a unit they could sort something out.

Just been told by a mate who is an Atletico fan Barca have done it. Interesting...

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:45 pm

RedBluebird wrote:
CjBluebird17 wrote:What about wages on top of that or what happens if the player turns out shite?


If the player turns out shit then the fans have lost their money. They made the choice as a collective so they can't moan if he turns out shit. Im only saying it in regards to big player moves, players a lot of people know are big time players. Falcao is one for example but has a massive buy out clause. I know they could still flop in the Premiership but not as much of a risk as an unknown punt.

As for wages, some clubs would surely be able to cover it by the revenue generated or the owners could cover it. If Manchester raised £100m that would cover Falcao's buy out clause and his wages for a few years, maybe not his whole contract depending on his demands etc.

This in my opinion is something only clubs with massive fan bases can tap into. I dont think it'd work for us but I think a club like Liverpool are not being clever about this. The club have moaned all summer about the lack of funds, the fans have moaned all summer about no big player coming in, if they worked as a unit they could sort something out.

Just been told by a mate who is an Atletico fan Barca have done it. Interesting...


It is a good idea but would fans want to put more money into the club when they have already payed high season ticket prices as well and ontop of merchandise

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:48 pm

Damned Yank wrote:
RedBluebird wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:So fans would choose a player to sign? Im sure managers would love that.


Im sure Fergie would be heartbroken that the fans saved up enough to sign Wesley Sneijder.

This type of system could be what Liverpool need to do to save themselves. Can't see their owners splashing serious money, they're tight as hell. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Oh yeah, really tight, best part of 150 mill in two seasons.

:?:


They also raised £50m through Torres. The net spend is nothing special plus they've saved millions on wages.

Their net spend is around £55m yet they've cut around £30m off the wage bill. They are not stupid.

£20m net spend this summer. Thats nothing if they want top 4.

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:49 pm

CjBluebird17 wrote:
RedBluebird wrote:
CjBluebird17 wrote:What about wages on top of that or what happens if the player turns out shite?


If the player turns out shit then the fans have lost their money. They made the choice as a collective so they can't moan if he turns out shit. Im only saying it in regards to big player moves, players a lot of people know are big time players. Falcao is one for example but has a massive buy out clause. I know they could still flop in the Premiership but not as much of a risk as an unknown punt.

As for wages, some clubs would surely be able to cover it by the revenue generated or the owners could cover it. If Manchester raised £100m that would cover Falcao's buy out clause and his wages for a few years, maybe not his whole contract depending on his demands etc.

This in my opinion is something only clubs with massive fan bases can tap into. I dont think it'd work for us but I think a club like Liverpool are not being clever about this. The club have moaned all summer about the lack of funds, the fans have moaned all summer about no big player coming in, if they worked as a unit they could sort something out.

Just been told by a mate who is an Atletico fan Barca have done it. Interesting...


It is a good idea but would fans want to put more money into the club when they have already payed high season ticket prices as well and ontop of merchandise


Most Liverpool fans and Manchester United don't have season tickets and a lot of fans don't buy merchandise. I think the die hards who did would probably still put in anyway.

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:46 pm

Good idea I think.

Or add on a pound to each ticket and call it the "Andy Caroll" tax

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:51 pm

DannyboyBluebirds wrote:Good idea I think.

Or add on a pound to each ticket and call it the "Andy Caroll" tax


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:55 pm

RedBluebird wrote:
Damned Yank wrote:
RedBluebird wrote:
CraigCCFC wrote:So fans would choose a player to sign? Im sure managers would love that.


Im sure Fergie would be heartbroken that the fans saved up enough to sign Wesley Sneijder.

This type of system could be what Liverpool need to do to save themselves. Can't see their owners splashing serious money, they're tight as hell. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Oh yeah, really tight, best part of 150 mill in two seasons.

:?:


They also raised £50m through Torres. The net spend is nothing special plus they've saved millions on wages.

Their net spend is around £55m yet they've cut around £30m off the wage bill. They are not stupid.

£20m net spend this summer. Thats nothing if they want top 4.


75 mill then. Still nowhere near tight. Not even in the same postcode.

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:11 am

Would ever happen. Tried something similar at ebbsfleet where fans paid 35-50to have a say in how he club was run. Was hated because if fans don't understand football properly like a manager or player. So manager and players all hated it.

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:14 am

and its tax deductable at the highest rate :o

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:17 am

Was done at Swansea in the early days, the Supporters trust helped to pay for the wages of Leon Britton from West Ham, that was nearly 10 years ago and Leon is still our best player

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:48 am

It wasn't that long ago that Cardiff fans chipped in to buy a striker. 1000 fans bought £100 worth of shares in the club to raise the money. That's why there are so many Cardiff fans about with shares in the club. (Or was it 100 fans and £1000 each? Can't remember now)

Then they got to choose the player to go out and buy. That is the reason why fans should never be allowed to choose which players to buy. :lol:

What was his name again? There's a lot of fans reading this now and looking away and coughing. :lol:

Re: Why don't clubs take donations to sign players?

Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:52 am

Damned Yank wrote:75 mill then. Still nowhere near tight. Not even in the same postcode.


Their net spend is way below £75m.

People do not factor in every bit of expenditure and savings and just go by what the media say and their hyper inflated tosh to sell papers and use those figures to abuse managers, etc.

They have spent £21m after factoring in wages and Kenny saw most of that. Rodgers hasn't been backed one bit. He has had to try and sell players, rubbish players at that, who a lot of teams don't want to spend on, to make moves in the market.

Liverpool are playing a dangerous game. The same game Villa played and look how far down the table they've gone compared to where they were under Martin O'Neill.

Their overall broken down net spend is tiny. People look at the stupid figures in papers and run away with them. Do some accounting. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: