PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE

I think Malky and the Malaysians are taking a gamble, but doing it the right way. The Dave Jones approach of get seasoned players in and old been there and done it loans can get results short term, but nothing to build on and no real squad value should you need or want to sell players. He took Wolves up with a load of tried and trusted and then wasn't given funding to replace tired legs and they came straight back down.

Malky seems to be getting a good mix, a couple of seasoned pros, but a lot of younger potential talent with some of them bound to break through as Premiership potentials.

Swansea even though I hate to say it have been very shrewd and done well out of it, the players they have now sold for millions wouldn't have been valued at half the amount if they hadn't gone up, and the madness of the Premiership is such that in a lot of cases just being in a Premiership team adds millions to your players worth, but also when you want to buy replacements in most cases you have to pay millions.

If we can get promoted and develop the players Like Mason, Turner Gunnarson, Mutch etc etc.then just watch their valuation rise.

I think the key to succeed is to have a fantastic Academy, try and find some real diamonds, you only need one ten million pound player to come through to make five years of Academy funding pay dividends, you find a couple and kerching, your pounds in.

I may have rose coloured spectacles on, but I really think we have a good future, and unlike some others I don't think it all boils down to promotion this season, but obviously to cash in, we will need t get promotion in the next few years, and like many of the old ones who have been to the bottom and back, these are the times we used to dream of but deep down thought we'd never see, so I for one intend to enjoy them to the full rather than moan about things out of our control.

Personally, I don't think It's promotion or bust either. Good Post

I think Malky and the Malaysians are taking a gamble, but doing it the right way. The Dave Jones approach of get seasoned players in and old been there and done it loans can get results short term, but nothing to build on and no real squad value should you need or want to sell players. He took Wolves up with a load of tried and trusted and then wasn't given funding to replace tired legs and they came straight back down.

Malky seems to be getting a good mix, a couple of seasoned pros, but a lot of younger potential talent with some of them bound to break through as Premiership potentials.

Swansea even though I hate to say it have been very shrewd and done well out of it, the players they have now sold for millions wouldn't have been valued at half the amount if they hadn't gone up, and the madness of the Premiership is such that in a lot of cases just being in a Premiership team adds millions to your players worth, but also when you want to buy replacements in most cases you have to pay millions.

If we can get promoted and develop the players Like Mason, Turner Gunnarson, Mutch etc etc.then just watch their valuation rise.

I think the key to succeed is to have a fantastic Academy, try and find some real diamonds, you only need one ten million pound player to come through to make five years of Academy funding pay dividends, you find a couple and kerching, your pounds in.

I may have rose coloured spectacles on, but I really think we have a good future, and unlike some others I don't think it all boils down to promotion this season, but obviously to cash in, we will need t get promotion in the next few years, and like many of the old ones who have been to the bottom and back, these are the times we used to dream of but deep down thought we'd never see, so I for one intend to enjoy them to the full rather than moan about things out of our control.

Gwyn I wrote an article in the Echo back in March 2011 that said the club needs to change its transfer policy. We had to move away from a short term fix (loans) and start signing young, hungry players with potential, players who could be assets on the pitch but also have a resale value and thankfully that is what Malky Mackay is doing.

Here is a link to the piece from early last year http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Bluebirds ... 0250039303

I can see with the squad we got, on the pitch we will mature for years to come.

Last night I was like a kid at Christmas and have not felt as happy about a signing since the first time Craig Bellamy came.

On the pitch we got a squad that I could only have dreamed of and that is even without the extra defender or two that is needed.

Spot on. We are looking at the long term now. When we do get promoted ( this season or next ) it will not be a case of one season wonders but a club with the ambition and foresight to stay there. All thanks to our Malaysian investors.

I think Malky and the Malaysians are taking a gamble, but doing it the right way. The Dave Jones approach of get seasoned players in and old been there and done it loans can get results short term, but nothing to build on and no real squad value should you need or want to sell players. He took Wolves up with a load of tried and trusted and then wasn't given funding to replace tired legs and they came straight back down.

Malky seems to be getting a good mix, a couple of seasoned pros, but a lot of younger potential talent with some of them bound to break through as Premiership potentials.

Swansea even though I hate to say it have been very shrewd and done well out of it, the players they have now sold for millions wouldn't have been valued at half the amount if they hadn't gone up, and the madness of the Premiership is such that in a lot of cases just being in a Premiership team adds millions to your players worth, but also when you want to buy replacements in most cases you have to pay millions.

If we can get promoted and develop the players Like Mason, Turner Gunnarson, Mutch etc etc.then just watch their valuation rise.

I think the key to succeed is to have a fantastic Academy, try and find some real diamonds, you only need one ten million pound player to come through to make five years of Academy funding pay dividends, you find a couple and kerching, your pounds in.

I may have rose coloured spectacles on, but I really think we have a good future, and unlike some others I don't think it all boils down to promotion this season, but obviously to cash in, we will need t get promotion in the next few years, and like many of the old ones who have been to the bottom and back, these are the times we used to dream of but deep down thought we'd never see, so I for one intend to enjoy them to the full rather than moan about things out of our control.

Liking your positivity, big man.

Easy said than done this diamond finding. Look at manchester United. One amazing youth team yielded so many great footballers (inc Lilly Savage!) and then.......nothing of any note.

Still, I agree with you sentiment.

I honestly think you've done some cracking business this Summer, I used to see what you were up to in the transfer market and scratch my head always thinking you were going "shit or bust", but not this time. I reckon you've got a squad ready to challenge.

Now,you all need a bit of patience to let the new players settle and I think you'll do well this year. remember it's a marathon not a sprint, results at the moment are a bonus, but they aren't the be all and end all.

Things are looking much better gwyn i have to agree But as soon as sams payed i will feel even better

Well this transfer window has closed leaving a much better feel about CCFC. When we think back to the January window (plus all the loan windows inbetween) we were left with a string of disappointments, which included several player target losses at the last moment.

This obviously led many to question whether the money or ambition to sign players was ever there.

However this window has proven without doubt that the Malaysian backers have delivered the cash to push us forward.

I know there is still issues about whether this is 'debt' or 'investment' but for now they deserve the a huge benefit of the doubt as they seem to have given us the tools to make our best fist at promotion to the Premiership.

It doesnt really matter if it is debt not investment. We were up shit creek anyway, might aswell enjoy something.

£30m, £100m either way we cant afford to pay it back.

Malaysians have done their job now! All up to Malky and the Players to get us promotion this season or next

What future if we don't go up or if the Malaysians throw their teddies again. Million pound a month loss must be a lot more now. Players aren't worth a lot in a fire sale. Look at kavanagh to Wigan, gabbs and Collins away.

Gwyn, good analysis. Buy young is the way to go.

Gwyn,

But surely your like me this debt nearing £100 mill needs sorting ASAP.
Youve already stated if our club is not debt free near the end of January 2013, you will be the first one over the fence.

I honestly think we do need promotion this season, Malky says himself, he has to be going for top 2 and I honestly believe TAn wants Top 2 this season, no matter what.

As to the players we have brought in, I am over the moon and excited, but we def need our debt sorting ASAP.

Gwyn,

But surely your like me this debt nearing £100 mill needs sorting ASAP.
Youve already stated if our club is not debt free near the end of January 2013, you will be the first one over the fence.

I honestly think we do need promotion this season, Malky says himself, he has to be going for top 2 and I honestly believe TAn wants Top 2 this season, no matter what.

As to the players we have brought in, I am over the moon and excited, but we def need our debt sorting ASAP.

With that debt any owner would be going for instant promotion.

I think Malky and the Malaysians are taking a gamble, but doing it the right way. The Dave Jones approach of get seasoned players in and old been there and done it loans can get results short term, but nothing to build on and no real squad value should you need or want to sell players. He took Wolves up with a load of tried and trusted and then wasn't given funding to replace tired legs and they came straight back down.

Malky seems to be getting a good mix, a couple of seasoned pros, but a lot of younger potential talent with some of them bound to break through as Premiership potentials.

Swansea even though I hate to say it have been very shrewd and done well out of it, the players they have now sold for millions wouldn't have been valued at half the amount if they hadn't gone up, and the madness of the Premiership is such that in a lot of cases just being in a Premiership team adds millions to your players worth, but also when you want to buy replacements in most cases you have to pay millions.

If we can get promoted and develop the players Like Mason, Turner Gunnarson, Mutch etc etc.then just watch their valuation rise.

I think the key to succeed is to have a fantastic Academy, try and find some real diamonds, you only need one ten million pound player to come through to make five years of Academy funding pay dividends, you find a couple and kerching, your pounds in.

I may have rose coloured spectacles on, but I really think we have a good future, and unlike some others I don't think it all boils down to promotion this season, but obviously to cash in, we will need t get promotion in the next few years, and like many of the old ones who have been to the bottom and back, these are the times we used to dream of but deep down thought we'd never see, so I for one intend to enjoy them to the full rather than moan about things out of our control.

Top post, agreed 100%.

but surly tan owns the debt anyway wether its loans or equity its still him who owns either

lets be honest Wales's number one outfit didnt have to spend like crazy to reach the premiership, 10 years ago today they were rock bottom of DIV 4 , some turnaround and now knocking out local reared kids for 15 mill !!

lets be honest Wales's number one outfit didnt have to spend like crazy to reach the premiership, 10 years ago today they were rock bottom of DIV 4 , some turnaround and now knocking out local reared kids for 15 mill !!

Cant fault them for that.

We seem to be aiming to do the same.
As Gwyn said, Planning for the future.

Personally, I don't think It's promotion or bust either. Good Post

Have to disagree Marc. This season is a must next season maybe at a push. At what point does the debt go BOOOOM ?

Gwyn,

But surely your like me this debt nearing £100 mill needs sorting ASAP.
Youve already stated if our club is not debt free near the end of January 2013, you will be the first one over the fence.

I honestly think we do need promotion this season, Malky says himself, he has to be going for top 2 and I honestly believe TAn wants Top 2 this season, no matter what.

As to the players we have brought in, I am over the moon and excited, but we def need our debt sorting ASAP.

Annis you keep quoting this,, now let's get it straight, what I said was let's give them six months and if we find then they have shafted us, yes I will be first over the fence, personally I don't give a flying f**k about the debt, we were going bust, we now are in with a fighting chance, if we did go bust what have we lost, at least we have had a pop at it, and if we are going to go bust, then let's go bust for one hundred million rather than ten, it ain't going to cosst you or me anymore.

the club only as a certain amount of assets, so if we go bust the only ones that lose out are the major investors such as the Malaysians, the debt to mean jot to me, it ain't my debt it ain't yours, the club isn't mine and it's not yours, it's the owners and like it or not at the money our owners are Malaysians, if the club goes bust they lose their money, the debt is their debt, it's not owed to a bank, they can't do anything else other than provide investment as loans until the deal with Langstons is agreed.

Are you telling me if in January we are top of the league by ten points and to make sure we go up Vt puts another ten million pounds in as loans if need be, that you are going over the fence, coz you'll be on your own.

If they shaft us by asset stripping or not backing upo their promise to invest then yes I and lot's of others will be kicking off, but so far they have exceeded any expectations I and many others had by a long shot.

We are now in a position to build a long term established future, the Malaysians know they have to make us a success if they have any chance of getting their money back, if they fail, it's their money they have lost, and we will be in the same position we have been many time s before.

Gwyn,

But surely your like me this debt nearing £100 mill needs sorting ASAP.
Youve already stated if our club is not debt free near the end of January 2013, you will be the first one over the fence.

I honestly think we do need promotion this season, Malky says himself, he has to be going for top 2 and I honestly believe TAn wants Top 2 this season, no matter what.

As to the players we have brought in, I am over the moon and excited, but we def need our debt sorting ASAP.

Annis you keep quoting this,, now let's get it straight, what I said was let's give them six months and if we find then they have shafted us, yes I will be first over the fence, personally I don't give a flying f**k about the debt, we were going bust, we now are in with a fighting chance, if we did go bust what have we lost, at least we have had a pop at it, and if we are going to go bust, then let's go bust for one hundred million rather than ten, it ain't going to cosst you or me anymore.

the club only as a certain amount of assets, so if we go bust the only ones that lose out are the major investors such as the Malaysians, the debt to mean jot to me, it ain't my debt it ain't yours, the club isn't mine and it's not yours, it's the owners and like it or not at the money our owners are Malaysians, if the club goes bust they lose their money, the debt is their debt, it's not owed to a bank, they can't do anything else other than provide investment as loans until the deal with Langstons is agreed.

Are you telling me if in January we are top of the league by ten points and to make sure we go up Vt puts another ten million pounds in as loans if need be, that you are going over the fence, coz you'll be on your own.

If they shaft us by asset stripping or not backing upo their promise to invest then yes I and lot's of others will be kicking off, but so far they have exceeded any expectations I and many others had by a long shot.

We are now in a position to build a long term established future, the Malaysians know they have to make us a success if they have any chance of getting their money back, if they fail, it's their money they have lost, and we will be in the same position we have been many time s before.

How can anyone argue with that?
Good post Gwyn.

good post gwyn. looking back. although excited by the robbie fowler etc signings. they were not good. young talented players are the way forward. dont care if we dont go up, i just want to see players giving 100%

good post gwyn. looking back. although excited by the robbie fowler etc signings. they were not good. young talented players are the way forward. dont care if we dont go up, i just want to see players giving 100%

Peter Ridsdales greatest signing so he said says it all !

Statement intent by the Malaysians,`they have said and they are delivering and are committed to this club. Some people, " Gwyn" will never let it go., The Malaysians know that the debt is there and will deal with it their way. These owners are here for the long term. I for one are happy in their commitment to our club.

Gwyn,

But surely your like me this debt nearing £100 mill needs sorting ASAP.
Youve already stated if our club is not debt free near the end of January 2013, you will be the first one over the fence.

I honestly think we do need promotion this season, Malky says himself, he has to be going for top 2 and I honestly believe TAn wants Top 2 this season, no matter what.

As to the players we have brought in, I am over the moon and excited, but we def need our debt sorting ASAP.

Annis you keep quoting this,, now let's get it straight, what I said was let's give them six months and if we find then they have shafted us, yes I will be first over the fence, personally I don't give a flying f**k about the debt, we were going bust, we now are in with a fighting chance, if we did go bust what have we lost, at least we have had a pop at it, and if we are going to go bust, then let's go bust for one hundred million rather than ten, it ain't going to cosst you or me anymore.

the club only as a certain amount of assets, so if we go bust the only ones that lose out are the major investors such as the Malaysians, the debt to mean jot to me, it ain't my debt it ain't yours, the club isn't mine and it's not yours, it's the owners and like it or not at the money our owners are Malaysians, if the club goes bust they lose their money, the debt is their debt, it's not owed to a bank, they can't do anything else other than provide investment as loans until the deal with Langstons is agreed.

Are you telling me if in January we are top of the league by ten points and to make sure we go up Vt puts another ten million pounds in as loans if need be, that you are going over the fence, coz you'll be on your own.

If they shaft us by asset stripping or not backing upo their promise to invest then yes I and lot's of others will be kicking off, but so far they have exceeded any expectations I and many others had by a long shot.

We are now in a position to build a long term established future, the Malaysians know they have to make us a success if they have any chance of getting their money back, if they fail, it's their money they have lost, and we will be in the same position we have been many time s before.

Gwyn you are wrong it is my club, it is your club, it is Annis' club. I can't believe you would say such bollocks as what does it matter 10 million or 100 million. The difference is 10 million
Won't bust us as in liquidate us, 25 million might not. 100 million will
Definitely cause the club that we know, we love and we own to die were our backers to pull out and leave us with that debt. The Malaysians have threatened similar were their red plans not accepted so their link is tenuous at best. I can't believe someone so close to the big happenings of the
Club would be so blasé about its future.

Gwyn,

But surely your like me this debt nearing £100 mill needs sorting ASAP.
Youve already stated if our club is not debt free near the end of January 2013, you will be the first one over the fence.

I honestly think we do need promotion this season, Malky says himself, he has to be going for top 2 and I honestly believe TAn wants Top 2 this season, no matter what.

As to the players we have brought in, I am over the moon and excited, but we def need our debt sorting ASAP.

Annis you keep quoting this,, now let's get it straight, what I said was let's give them six months and if we find then they have shafted us, yes I will be first over the fence, personally I don't give a flying f**k about the debt, we were going bust, we now are in with a fighting chance, if we did go bust what have we lost, at least we have had a pop at it, and if we are going to go bust, then let's go bust for one hundred million rather than ten, it ain't going to cosst you or me anymore.

the club only as a certain amount of assets, so if we go bust the only ones that lose out are the major investors such as the Malaysians, the debt to mean jot to me, it ain't my debt it ain't yours, the club isn't mine and it's not yours, it's the owners and like it or not at the money our owners are Malaysians, if the club goes bust they lose their money, the debt is their debt, it's not owed to a bank, they can't do anything else other than provide investment as loans until the deal with Langstons is agreed.

Are you telling me if in January we are top of the league by ten points and to make sure we go up Vt puts another ten million pounds in as loans if need be, that you are going over the fence, coz you'll be on your own.

If they shaft us by asset stripping or not backing upo their promise to invest then yes I and lot's of others will be kicking off, but so far they have exceeded any expectations I and many others had by a long shot.

We are now in a position to build a long term established future, the Malaysians know they have to make us a success if they have any chance of getting their money back, if they fail, it's their money they have lost, and we will be in the same position we have been many time s before.

The policy had to change, loaning players in year on year was costing a fortune and offering no return unless promoted.
Now we have a squad, we have playing assets at good ages. I'm happy with the mix of players we have.

Gwyn you are wrong it is my club, it is your club, it is Annis' club.

If it is your club or Annis's or my club, why are we playing in red? dress it up anyway you want to, IT AIN'T OUR CLUB, we are customers, supporters call it what you will, but we are not owners, we are at the mercy of owners whether we like it or not, FACT.

I can't believe you would say such bollocks as what does it matter 10 million or 100 million. The difference is 10 million
Won't bust us as in liquidate us, 25 million might not. 100 million will
Definitely cause the club that we know, we love and we own to die were our backers to pull out and leave us with that debt.
Got to disagree, in fact the bigger the debt, the more the Malaysians are tied into us, if at the early stage when it was precarious with regard to the rebrand, they could have stopped investing, and set about getting back as much as they could of the forty million pound they had put in, they would not have got it all back, but they'd have had a good chunk and at least in their eyes they wouldn't have to keep spending month by month to keep us in business.
Now however they are in so deep, they would stand to lose far to much, and they have to make us a success to get any return.
The massive debt you refer to is to themselves, not the HMRC or some other company, all bills are now paid up month by month, there are no winding up or court orders, it is their debt to themselves, where would the sense be in liquidating us and losing all their money, what sense is there in that, they have the financial clout to back up and see their investment come to fruition in order to get a return.

So personally the more we owe them the more chance we got of keeping them involved as I see it.



The Malaysians have threatened similar were their red plans not accepted so their link is tenuous at best. I can't believe someone so close to the big happenings of the
Club would be so blasé about its future.[/quote]

Don't think the Malaysians threatened anything of the sorts, in fact I thought they were very diplomatic, when they thought their plans had upset the majority of the fan base, they offered to change the plans back to staying in blue and trying to hDelp the club look for other outside investment as we were turning down their plans to additional investment and the plans that went with it.
So how is that seen as a threat, they never said turn us down and we'll close your club, even though the reality is, without them or new investors we would go to the wall within months.

How you see that as me being blase is beyond me.

Gwyn, without a doubt you are being proven correct, I'll admit it.



Frankly, the Maynard signing has done it for me, they could be our best owners ever even better that Rick Wright.

Gwyn, without a doubt you are being proven correct, I'll admit it.



Frankly, the Maynard signing has done it for me, they could be our best owners ever even better that Rick Wright.

Let's not let one shiny signing prove anything though. This was MM budget and we think he spent it well.
I feel he had more than we think tho.
A budget is wages and fees together and I reckon we have a fortune on wages as well.... He has been fully backed.

Despite being a huge DJ fan I think MM has spent it better than DJ would have.