" Malky "

Are you happy with Malky's formation for home games ?

Are you happy with Malky's formation for home games ?

Nope, its the exact same as the failings after jan last season in every way. Why play 4-4-2 in pre season

Absolutely NOT

Are you happy with Malky's formation for home games ?

Am I bollocks.

Last season we had to endure some tedious football from Christmas onwards and the lack of pace wide and one up front was a killer.
This summer he has brought in quality with pace and firepower. Conway returns half a stone lighter and tears teams apart pre-season.
We play some lovely pass and move stuff against Newcastle with Ralls and Conway giving us width.
Bellers signs so only change is Bellers for Ralls, but wait he has to find a place for his son Cowie so jack Conway off and put a centre mid out wide to really congest things.

Makes it easy for Huddersfield double up on Bellers as nothing hurting them down the right.
Even then he just watches the game drift away when Conway, Velikonja, Mason all capable of changing it. I thought Jonesy was back the way he was dithering.

Should have set our stall out live on sky to say this is us deal with it not that overly cautious square pegs in round holes we witnessed Friday.

Conclusion being stop picking your blue eyes, stop being so negative and remember you actually have a bench so start using it FFS

Im starting to qestion wether or not hes up to the task

Last season was a freebie but with the investnent this summer its time to put up or f**k off

Last edited by CP76 on Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:17 am, edited 1 time in total.

Are you happy with Malky's formation for home games ?

Its similiar to last season, we are hard to beat but we dont create enough chances, it is really frustrating watching City under MM we are a good side but ffs no one seems to run the channels or take on defenders or put crosses in, to create space you need to take people on, its all packed in the midfield, side's come here and sit behind the ball, so with a formation that MM uses its just negative, i'm sick of seeing all that space out wide but no one uses it..

MM encourages fans to embrace the change with the re branding but he does not seem to wish to change his tested 4-5-1 formation. The second half of last season we were found out by teams and we played poorly. Very negative tactics particularly against teams like Coventry at home (bottom 3 team) when we played with one out and out striker.

We lost the most points in the Division last year for conceding a lead and that is some what down to the fact we never scored enough goals to finish teams off. Playing 4-5-1, I can never see us score a lot of goals in a match. Playing away fine but at home lets be a bit more adventurous. If 4-5-1 is not working in a match lets change it around. Like Huddersfield on Friday, we were second best second half. MM brought Mason on 12 mins from the end and then stuck to the same formation. Nothing ventured nothing gained

4-5-1 doesn't have to be negative but we always seem to have an isolated front man on his own trying to scrap for high balls with two or three centre backs.

I'd like to see the wide players pushed up closer to the front man or even another striker to play off him I.e Joe Mason.

Christ,we had all this bollox under DJ.Not saying that Fridays performance filed me with confidence but we'll play miles better this season and lose.Give it a few games lads at least before we start an anti-malky brigade.I do beleive we will come good.

shots on target 5 , caught offside 2, THis is the problem, we are home and only have 5 shots on target..We are not doing enough in the final third, how can you sign Bellamy pay him 36k a week & then not play to his strengths, Bellamy had some nice touches but was hardly in the game..

Are you happy with Malky's formation for home games ?

no ...

4-5-1 doesn't have to be negative but we always seem to have an isolated front man on his own trying to scrap for high balls with two or three centre backs.

I'd like to see the wide players pushed up closer to the front man or even another striker to play off him I.e Joe Mason.

Its a great formation with the right players, to use 4-5-1 we need pace out wide so we can stretch teams and create chances.

The Malaysians have already proved how nothing will stand in their way for their vision of the future for Cardiff City Football Club with the ruthless re-branding, I'm guessing that if things don't go their way this season then MM will be looking for new employment next summer. Malky's honeymoon period is over and he now has to deliver the dream that he and the Malaysians have promised, there will only be one casualty if things go wrong.

its one game for christ sake and we won! bring the neg big time these days mate!
change the RW to someone pacier (kimbo!) and we'll be playing 4-3-3!

4-5-1 doesn't have to be negative but we always seem to have an isolated front man on his own trying to scrap for high balls with two or three centre backs.

I'd like to see the wide players pushed up closer to the front man or even another striker to play off him I.e Joe Mason.

Its a great formation with the right players, to use 4-5-1 we need pace out wide so we can stretch teams and create chances.

What he said. The problem was Cowie playing on the right meant that Huddersfield could double up on Bellamy because there was virtually no threat down their left. Conway (and possibly Kim when he arrives) should be hugging the opposite touchline to Bellamy to really stretch teams. This would also benefit our central midfield because it would be less congested.

It's what's helped make the Jacks effective in the last few seasons with Sinclair and Dyer. Bale at Spurs also benefits when Lennon plays on the opposite flank because defenses can't overload on one side too much.

for me the transision in style from the newcastle game to huddersfield bemused me.
we played albeit a slightly weakend premier league team off the park with our constant pass and move a week ago yet reverted to the dismal tactics we employed from xmas onwards last year for a team just promoted from the league below.
Why are we wasting millions on midfield players to bypass them with the hudson "hoof"
i see tommy smiths name is being mentioned again today but for me we have enough striking options and we should be looking at two new full backs if we are going to make a serious attempt at promotion.
Our back four always looks good for conceding a goal a game and bearing in mind the number of chances we create with the system we use at home one goal could be enough for our opponents to win the game.
With all the rebranding issue's its important to keep fans onside and get bums on seats but with the style of play being adopted by malky he will drive any wavering fans away.

No, Malky has me scratching my head sometimes. I can sense a huge bust up coming within the squad, lets be honest its probably the worst football Ive seen at Cardiff City in 30 odd years.

I'm not against the 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 (depending on your view). The trouble is we play a very unbalanced version of it with McNaughton becoming the right-sided attacking player and Cowie tucking in as a 6th midfielder.

Frankly it doesn't work and IMO If Conway played instead of Cowie then we would look a more balanced team (as we did against Newcastle) and we would get the best out of a very talented squad.

Are you happy with Malky's formation for home games ?

DEFINITELY not Annis.

Away from home i'm more than happy to play this formation.

And if we really has to play it at home then at least change things at half time if you can see it's not working.

But i could not believe it took us until about the 85th minute to stick someone up front with Helguson (Bellamy) against Huddersfield, i'd been calling for him to bring Velikonja on for about half an hour.

However, i honestly do think that when Kim arrives, it will be more of a 4-3-3 than 4-5-1, based on the way/position he played at the Olympics.

I'm not against the 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 (depending on your view). The trouble is we play a very unbalanced version of it with McNaughton becoming the right-sided attacking player and Cowie tucking in as a 6th midfielder.

Frankly it doesn't work and IMO If Conway played instead of Cowie then we would look a more balanced team (as we did against Newcastle) and we would get the best out of a very talented squad.

Yes, there was no balance on Friday.

The system does mean that players roles become blurred and confused.

I'd also have played Conway insterad of Cowie, maybe he was feeling the effects of Tuesday ?


One positive though was apart from when Kev was doen by Scannell's backheel, not much came down that side. Cowie's defense is better than Bellers, who offerred very little support to Taylor.

I'd much rather see Bellamy on the right with Kev and a more solid player like Conway/Cowie on the left to help Taylor.

I'd also like to see us use Mason more. In the 15 minutes he was on he almost created 1 goal and had a hand in the winger. His movement and reading of the game is superb, his touch and composure as good as any of our other players.

He needs to stick with it but it needs to change from 4-5-1 to 4-3-3 on the break.

Helguson / Velikonja up front

Kimbo Whitts Bellamy

Gunnar Mutch holding midfield

Taylor Turner Hudson McNaughton

Marshall

On the break Kimbo and Bellamy should be pushing forward into 4-3-3.

Hope this happens!

Players win matches not formations...

Players win matches not formations...

I agree players win matches, but also formations help win them as well.

Im starting to qestion wether or not hes up to the task

Last season was a freebie but with the investnent this summer its time to put up or f**k off

Those of us who went to Boro last season.

Remember this question when we all sat down in that pub a few miles outside Middlesborough? Who was the only one to say no?

Still a no from me.

Played in a 4-5-1/4-3-3 system for 2 years in college under Jason Perry and we got to the semi final of the British colleges cup using the system. It's really effective if done in the right way.

Going forward if the ball is coming in from either wing then the winger without the ball acts as the second striker with the full back pushing up just behind the midfield, that way you have attacking options up top with the supporting centre midfields players and the full back picking up the opposition winger further up the park.

If play broke down you worked your balls to get back into position but again when the opposing full back at the ball the winger would push up, striker would cut off the pass back to the centre half so the ball had to come forward. We was never 10 - 15 yards apart from each other at all times.

Hard system but effective. To be fair though Jason is easily the best coach I have ever worked with and taught me more in 2 years than I have all my life playing football.

No, not his tactics either !

If we play like this and win every game great but we won't, long balls upfront to a outnumbered striker is just pointless...We need a new striker (with pace). a winger, a CB & LB who can play out of defence...Bothroyd would work well in this side..

I don't think it'll be the same all season, Huddersfield came here for the draw, all the players knew they didn't play good enough, jeeze

The formation is fine in principle, it is just the selections that are making for a poor performance. How Cowie played 78 mins i will never know, Mason was a lot better when he came on creating 2 chances (one of which we scored from) and i would have liked to see him or Conway start. I don't care if Cowie is a work horse that's not what we want from a winger.

Also instead of Whitts holding and trying to link up with the centre backs he should be playing in the play maker role just in front of Mutch and Gunnarsson. Let them pick the ball up and offer protection because they can do that and defend better than Whitts. Whitts can create more in the attacking third then.

If Malky wanted to go for the win (which I didn't think he did) he should have brought Velikonja on for Mutch and gone 4-4-2. To me it looked like he would have taken the 0-0 because he left Helguson up top so we could chuck crosses in the box and maybe knick a winner.

Having 2 strikers up top would also help us utilize the space left by whoever is doubling up on Bellamy.

It's one game and people are moaning. Jesus christ give him a break! He's got a lot of players to chose from and obviously each team will have different tactics, so it's up to Malky to think of which formation to use against them. I am happy at whatever formation and team Malky picks for every game.

In Malky I Trust