Blame style of play for poor atmosphere.

Fans are reactive and not pro-active.

Boring and slow paced football will result in a poor atmosphere.

Attacking football will get the fans singing.

It's still early and players still need to gel.

My only concern from yesterday was that MM went with Cowie over both Mason and Conway in a home game.

Fans are reactive and not pro-active.

Boring and slow paced football will result in a poor atmosphere.

Attacking football will get the fans singing.

It's still early and players still need to gel.

My only concern from yesterday was that MM went with Cowie over both Mason and Conway in a home game.

You do have a point. When we started to get a foothold on the game and they started playacting and timewasting, the fans really got behind the team.

Fans are reactive and not pro-active.

Boring and slow paced football will result in a poor atmosphere.

Attacking football will get the fans singing.

It's still early and players still need to gel.

My only concern from yesterday was that MM went with Cowie over both Mason and Conway in a home game.

I threads blaming newer supporters, disabled supporters and stewards for the lack of atmosphere at CCS. Now we have one blaming the players

The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of everyone who attends CCS. Portsmouth fans sing and shout no matter what, so why can't we?

The time for blaming everyone and everything else is over, it is up to us to take responsiblity.

You have to give the fans something to cheer about.

Players like Mason, Conway, Kimbo and Bellers running at players will do that.

The crowd reacted well when Bellers beat his man.

Fans are reactive and not pro-active.

Boring and slow paced football will result in a poor atmosphere.

Attacking football will get the fans singing.

It's still early and players still need to gel.

My only concern from yesterday was that MM went with Cowie over both Mason and Conway in a home game.

Can't agree more with you...on every point made

You have to give the fans something to cheer about.

Players like Mason, Conway, Kimbo and Bellers running at players will do that.

The crowd reacted well when Bellers beat his man.

Not saying that doesn't help, but we the fans need to do our job and atm we are failing big time.

Fans are reactive and not pro-active.

Boring and slow paced football will result in a poor atmosphere.

Attacking football will get the fans singing.

It's still early and players still need to gel.

My only concern from yesterday was that MM went with Cowie over both Mason and Conway in a home game.

I threads blaming newer supporters, disabled supporters and stewards for the lack of atmosphere at CCS. Now we have one blaming the players

The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of everyone who attends CCS. Portsmouth fans sing and shout no matter what, so why can't we?

The time for blaming everyone and everything else is over, it is up to us to take responsiblity.

Come on, Tony.

That's not true.

St James Park was a grave yard when Newcastle were playing shite football.

Listen to them today at home to Spurs when they play attacking football.

Fans are reactive and not pro-active.

Boring and slow paced football will result in a poor atmosphere.

Attacking football will get the fans singing.

It's still early and players still need to gel.

My only concern from yesterday was that MM went with Cowie over both Mason and Conway in a home game.

I threads blaming newer supporters, disabled supporters and stewards for the lack of atmosphere at CCS. Now we have one blaming the players

The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of everyone who attends CCS. Portsmouth fans sing and shout no matter what, so why can't we?

The time for blaming everyone and everything else is over, it is up to us to take responsiblity.

Come on, Tony.

That's not true.

St James Park was a grave yard when Newcastle were playing shite football.

Listen to them today at home to Spurs when they play attacking football.

Fans are reactive and not pro-active.

Boring and slow paced football will result in a poor atmosphere.

Attacking football will get the fans singing.

It's still early and players still need to gel.

My only concern from yesterday was that MM went with Cowie over both Mason and Conway in a home game.

I threads blaming newer supporters, disabled supporters and stewards for the lack of atmosphere at CCS. Now we have one blaming the players

The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of everyone who attends CCS. Portsmouth fans sing and shout no matter what, so why can't we?

The time for blaming everyone and everything else is over, it is up to us to take responsiblity.

All the factors mentioned contribute to the lack of atmosphere (not the bit about disabled supporters, though - that's a strange one). I think it's always been the case that we don't get behind the team as much if they look like they don't care. It wasn't a classic last night, on or off the pitch, but I think it'll improve as the weeks go by. I certainly expect a better atmosphere against Wolves, because they'll bring more fans and their efforts will encourage us to shout for the City.

Fans are reactive and not pro-active.

Boring and slow paced football will result in a poor atmosphere.

Attacking football will get the fans singing.

It's still early and players still need to gel.

My only concern from yesterday was that MM went with Cowie over both Mason and Conway in a home game.

I threads blaming newer supporters, disabled supporters and stewards for the lack of atmosphere at CCS. Now we have one blaming the players

The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of everyone who attends CCS. Portsmouth fans sing and shout no matter what, so why can't we?

The time for blaming everyone and everything else is over, it is up to us to take responsiblity.

Come on, Tony.

That's not true.

St James Park was a grave yard when Newcastle were playing shite football.

Listen to them today at home to Spurs when they play attacking football.

And last was what? Sorry we as fans are in denial over the route cause of the appaling atmosphere at CCS. Until we accept we are the ones at fault, it will never get fixed.

It's the carrot or the whip.

Force fans to sing.

Or.

Entice them to sing with attacking football.

The crazy thing is that we have the players to do that.

Fans are reactive and not pro-active.

Boring and slow paced football will result in a poor atmosphere.

Attacking football will get the fans singing.

It's still early and players still need to gel.

My only concern from yesterday was that MM went with Cowie over both Mason and Conway in a home game.

I threads blaming newer supporters, disabled supporters and stewards for the lack of atmosphere at CCS. Now we have one blaming the players

The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of everyone who attends CCS. Portsmouth fans sing and shout no matter what, so why can't we?

The time for blaming everyone and everything else is over, it is up to us to take responsiblity.

All the factors mentioned contribute to the lack of atmosphere (not the bit about disabled supporters, though - that's a strange one). I think it's always been the case that we don't get behind the team as much if they look like they don't care. It wasn't a classic last night, on or off the pitch, but I think it'll improve as the weeks go by. I certainly expect a better atmosphere against Wolves, because they'll bring more fans and their efforts will encourage us to shout for the City.

The disabled topic came about because Ridsdale placed many disabled supporters next to the fans who like to stand next to the away fans in the Ninian Stand.

Apparently this led to some friction and a number of supporters claimed that they received 'funny looks' from the disabled fans when they tried to sing songs.

If we start lashing teams 4-0 then of course I like you expect the atmosphere to improve.

However, being old school I always thought that the supporters were their to 'support' their team no matter what the circumstances.

It's the carrot or the whip.

Force fans to sing.

Or.

Entice them to sing with attacking football.

The crazy thing is that we have the players to do that.

As I said playing attractive football is bound to help and I'm all for it.

However, our support shouldn't be dependant on that, we should give it willingly no matter what.

I agree with both. If the players are playing exciting football the fans naturally get more upbeat and start singing. But we also need to create atmosphere ourselves, which in turn helps the players

Fans are reactive and not pro-active.

Boring and slow paced football will result in a poor atmosphere.

Attacking football will get the fans singing.

It's still early and players still need to gel.

My only concern from yesterday was that MM went with Cowie over both Mason and Conway in a home game.

I threads blaming newer supporters, disabled supporters and stewards for the lack of atmosphere at CCS. Now we have one blaming the players

The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of everyone who attends CCS. Portsmouth fans sing and shout no matter what, so why can't we?

The time for blaming everyone and everything else is over, it is up to us to take responsiblity.

All the factors mentioned contribute to the lack of atmosphere (not the bit about disabled supporters, though - that's a strange one). I think it's always been the case that we don't get behind the team as much if they look like they don't care. It wasn't a classic last night, on or off the pitch, but I think it'll improve as the weeks go by. I certainly expect a better atmosphere against Wolves, because they'll bring more fans and their efforts will encourage us to shout for the City.

The disabled topic came about because Ridsdale placed many disabled supporters next to the fans who like to stand next to the away fans in the Ninian Stand.

Apparently this led to some friction and a number of supporters claimed that they received 'funny looks' from the disabled fans when they tried to sing songs.

If we start lashing teams 4-0 then of course I like you expect the atmosphere to improve.

However, being old school I always thought that the supporters were their to 'support' their team no matter what the circumstances.

True, but more and more don't see it that way.

Compare last night's atmosphere with the Leeds game in the FA Cup 10 years ago, for instance. I know it's an extreme opposite, but I wonder how many of last night's crowd were at that Leeds game. In my opinion, that night was amazing and the atmosphere one of the best I've been a part of. Last night, for me, was one of the flatest I've witnessed, yet some probably enjoyed it and would've hated the Leeds game, because they'd have considered it too aggressive or whatever.

It seems to me that there are many who feel it's someone else's job to create an atmosphere (certainly most of those around me last night) and seem too embarrassed to shout or cheer and just look at others who do with a sort of curious fascination, as if they are witnessing an alien or something.

But that is reality.

Watch Wales play rugby at home, 75,000, you can hear a pin drop when Wales are not attacking.

As soon as they move towards the try line they find their voice.

That's the mind set of the majority of sports fans.

Re-active and not pro-active.

I'm not saying that's right.

I'm just saying that's the cold hard truth.

True, but more and more don't see it that way.

Compare last night's atmosphere with the Leeds game in the FA Cup 10 years ago, for instance. I know it's an extreme opposite, but I wonder how many of last night's crowd were at that Leeds game. In my opinion, that night was amazing and the atmosphere one of the best I've been a part of. Last night, for me, was one of the flatest I've witnessed, yet some probably enjoyed it and would've hated the Leeds game, because they'd have considered it too aggressive or whatever.

It seems to me that there are many who feel it's someone else's job to create an atmosphere (certainly most of those around me last night) and seem too embarrassed to shout or cheer and just look at others who do with a sort of curious fascination, as if they are witnessing an alien or something.

There is a lot in what you say, but again you are basically blaming someone else i.e. the fans who you believe are not pulling their weight.

The problem is they probably think the same about you. I'm happy to admit I don't do enough but I can't do anything about it on my own (nor can you BTW). We have to collectively take the blame and organise in order to do something about it, rather than taking the easy option (or the denial option) of blaming A. N. Other.

Can't say I agree. Atleast half hour before kick off you would hear the Grange End singing in NP. And for most of the time it would be nonstop in there for the 90 mins even if we conceded a goal.

There's a lot of factors to why there's no atmosphere but for me the biggest reason is that wer not sat opposite the away fans.

But that is reality.

Watch Wales play rugby at home, 75,000, you can hear a pin drop when Wales are not attacking.

As soon as they move towards the try line they find their voice.

That's the mind set of the majority of sports fans.

Re-active and not pro-active.

I'm not saying that's right.

I'm just saying that's the cold hard truth.

And I'm not saying your examples are wrong. But I can give you other examples of teams like Portsmouth who sing for 90 mins despite losing 6-1 at home to Arsenal.

It is simple if you want a good atmosphere then create one, don't rely on others.

I gave you Newcastle Utd as an example.

And take it the new stadium and home strip added to the style of play.

I fully agree with you by the way.

Can't say I agree. Atleast half hour before kick off you would hear the Grange End singing in NP. And for most of the time it would be nonstop in there for the 90 mins even if we conceded a goal.

There's a lot of factors to why there's no atmosphere but for me the biggest reason is that wer not sat opposite the away fans.

Unfortunatley Ninian Park has gone and although it is true to say the atmosphere was at times dead in there as well, for the most part either the BobBank, Grange End or Enclosure would be doing something.

The ends at CCS will never be changed (due to Police costs) so we can take out 'blaming the away fans' excuse as well. The Canton Stand has so much potential and it is a shame that the dedicated singing area wasn't taken up a couple of seasons ago.

Just my opinion but nothing will improve until we (the fans) starting doing something about it.

I gave you Newcastle Utd as an example.

And take it the new stadium and home strip added to the style of play.

I fully agree with you by the way.

Admittedly none of that helps.

But that is reality.

Watch Wales play rugby at home, 75,000, you can hear a pin drop when Wales are not attacking.

As soon as they move towards the try line they find their voice.

That's the mind set of the majority of sports fans.

Re-active and not pro-active.

I'm not saying that's right.

I'm just saying that's the cold hard truth.

And I'm not saying your examples are wrong. But I can give you other examples of teams like Portsmouth who sing for 90 mins despite losing 6-1 at home to Arsenal.

It is simple if you want a good atmosphere then create one, don't rely on others.

I've tried my best, in fairness and sometimes, because of negative reactions around me, I retire to my chair and sit quietly like everyone else.

Can't say I agree. Atleast half hour before kick off you would hear the Grange End singing in NP. And for most of the time it would be nonstop in there for the 90 mins even if we conceded a goal.

There's a lot of factors to why there's no atmosphere but for me the biggest reason is that wer not sat opposite the away fans.

Unfortunatley Ninian Park has gone and although it is true to say the atmosphere was at times dead in there as well, for the most part either the BobBank, Grange End or Enclosure would be doing something.

The ends at CCS will never be changed (due to Police costs) so we can take out 'blaming the away fans' excuse as well. The Canton Stand has so much potential and it is a shame that the dedicated singing area wasn't taken up a couple of seasons ago.

Just my opinion but nothing will improve until we (the fans) starting doing something about it.

I know it will never be changed, but personally I do think it's one of the biggest factors along with many others.

Spent a couple of seasons and in my opinion it got worse over time.

I've tried my best, in fairness and sometimes, because of negative reactions around me, I retire to my chair and sit quietly like everyone else.

You have my total sympathy and I can fully believe what happened to you is true. That's why we need to sort this problem out collectively. Some of the decisions we may have to make will be unpopular (i.e. finally giving up on switching ends & moving away from the away fans) but if the atmosphere is to improve we will have to do it.

The Canton End should be our one and only dedicated singing area which will hopefully then spread to other areas of the ground. We don't need away fans to spur us on and it is about time we proved it.