" AGM - Shareholders meeting minutes updated. "

Report By TLG

The Annual General Meeting of Cardiff City Football Club (Holdings) Limited took place earlier today in the newly-refurbished Ricoh Suite at the Cardiff City Stadium.

Representing the football club on the top table were Chairman Dato Chan Tien Ghee, Chief Executive Alan Whiteley and Finance Director Doug Lee, along with local board members Steve Borley and Paul Guy. I would estimate that around fifty shareholders were in attendance.

After shaking the hands of everyone present, the Chairman opened the meeting at 11:00am and the formal business of the day was both conducted and concluded almost immediately. The shareholders quickly voted to accept the annual reports and financial statements for the year ended 31 May 2011 and questions were then invited from the floor.

The questions asked and answers given were as follows:

The board was asked if it intends to make any formal statements about the events during a difficult summer period.

Although he didn't answer the question directly, TG said that he and his Malaysian colleagues had no intention of either hurting or disrespecting anyone when they introduced the recent changes to the club's kit and badge. While appealing for everyone unite behind the team, he said: "We may have issues, just as there are issues in any family, but we must keep our heads and pull together to help the players take this club to the promised land."

The Chairman stated that it pains him to lose even one fan and he would be doing everything within his powers to win back the support of those who have walked away from the club as a result of the re-branding exercise.

TG was asked if he believed the introduction of the re-branding plans could have been handled better by the club.

He said that, in hindsight, the situation could have been dealt with differently and said that he should take full personal responsibility for the way things turned out. However, he added that the club's hand had been forced to a large degree by the way in which information was leaked into the public domain before officials had been ready to release it, so the circumstances had been difficult to deal with.

The board was asked if they have taken any steps to plug the leaks which seem to have been originating from the club in recent years.

TG replied by suggesting that there are leaks in every organisation, including the highest levels of government, and that stopping those leaks is extremely difficult. He said there isn't much the officials can do about the situation that they aren't doing already, although he added the club is continually striving to become more professional in the way that it goes about all aspects of its business.

The Chairman was asked to give an update on the latest situation regarding the Langston loan notes debt.

He said the report which had appeared in this morning's South Wales Echo was an accurate reflection of the situation. TG confirmed that a fresh settlement offer has been made to Langston and the club is waiting for a response.

He then made an impassioned plea for Sam Hammam to get around the table and resolve this issue once and for all for the benefit of the football club. TG said: "If you really do love Cardiff City like you keep saying you do, then be a man and do what is right for the club. Don't keep moving the goalposts. Work with us and help us to put this club in a better and stronger position."

A shareholder then brought up the subject of the club's ongoing debt levels and queried a couple of entries in 2010/11 accounts, including an outstanding tax bill.

Finance Director Doug Lee stated that the club is now wholly compliant with HMRC both in terms of payments and deadlines, and said that has been the case ever since the Malaysian-based investors came onboard. He added that the club's debt levels should alter considerably once the long-standing Langston issue has finally been sorted out.

The subject of the recent Keep Cardiff Blue campaign meeting at the Municipal Club was raised by a shareholder, who described the kind of threats and foul-mouthed abuse that those opposed to the re-branding exercise had been subjected to on that occasion. He then outlined some of the reasons why he is personally opposed to the change from blue to red.

TG stated that he doesn't condone any form of threats or intimidation under any circumstances.

Chief Executive Alan Whiteley said the re-branding was a particularly difficult issue to deal with for everyone as the subject is so emotive. He said he fully appreciated that, for some supporters, there is simply no middle ground and nothing any of the officials can say will change their minds. However, he added that the club doesn't want to lose any fans if it can avoid doing so. Therefore, he will continue to attempt to answer any questions that supporters have and is happy to do that on a one-to-one basis.

The board was asked if anything can be done to improve the public transport links between the ciy centre and the Cardiff City Stadium on match days.

Alan Whiteley referred the question to Stadium Manager Wayne Nash, who explained that the club is currently in talks with Cardiff Bus to provide a new shuttle service from the city centre to the stadium. He said that Arriva Trains Wales are unwilling to utilise Ninian Park Halt at certain times during match days for safety reasons and are encouraging fans to use Grangetown Station instead, but the Chief Executive gave an undertaking to continue to press the train providers for a more satisfactory arrangement.

TG was asked under what circumstances he and the Malaysian investors would leave the club.

He replied that if they had been planning to leave at any stage, they would have done so during the darkest of times, but these are bright times. He added that there are times ahead which he believes will be brighter still.

The Chairman was asked about the alleged plans to increase the stadium's capacity.

TG said any plans going forward need a degree of optimism and, therefore, the board intends to be ready to expand the stadium as and when it is necessary to do so.

The board was asked what the football club had gained by the Cardiff Blues rugby club returning to the Cardiff Arms Park.

TG replied that it has been a win/win situation, as the rugby club wanted to leave and the football club's owners believed the stadium should be used exclusively for football. He said the rugby club had been very reasonable during the negotiations and although their departure will have an impact on revenue, it was necessary in terms of the football club's future plans.

The Chief Executive was asked to give an update regarding the plans for a new training ground.

He said that several sites had been identified and the club is currently working with the council on a feasibility study. He added that the new facilities are high on the club's list of priorities, particularly as the manager asks about them almost every day. He anticipated that construction work should start on the project within twelve months and the facilities should be completed within two years.

The Chairman was asked what sort interest Cardiff City Football Club currently generates in the Far East.

TG claimed that 3.2 million people in Malaysia watched the Carling Cup final, and the majority were supporting the Bluebirds. He said the team's replica shirt sales in his country far exceed those of QPR, who are also Malaysian-owned, and plenty of other Premier League clubs too. He stated that the club employs six permanent staff in Malaysia on its grassroots football and education project and interest there is growing steadily, but will increase considerably if and when the team reaches the top flight. He added that interest in the club in South Korea has increased dramatically with the signing of Kim Bo Kyung, but interest throughout the Far East would boom if the club can gain promotion to the promised land of the Premier League.

TG was asked if he considers the team to be the Bluebirds or the Dragons.

He replied that as far as he is concerned, Cardiff City are the Bluebirds and always will be.

Alan Whiteley was asked if the club will be employing a drummer during home matches this season.

He said that although the drum had been popular with a percentage of supporters, the club will be guided by what the majority want.

In the final question of the day, the board was asked what has happened to the large digital clocks which appear to have gone missing from inside the stadium.

Alan Whiteley said the Cardiff Blues had taken the clocks with them when they returned to the Arms Park, but new ones are on order.

The Chairman closed the meeting at 12:03am, at which point the board members left the top table and joined the shareholders on the floor for refreshments and a series of informal conversations.

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Excellent report from today's AGM by Dave Sugarman.
The Annual General Meeting of Cardiff City Football Club (Holdings) Limited took place earlier today in the newly-refurbished Ricoh Suite at the Cardiff City Stadium.

Representing the football club on the top table were Chairman Dato Chan Tien Ghee, Chief Executive Alan Whiteley and Finance Director Doug Lee, along with local board members Steve Borley and Paul Guy. I would estimate that around fifty shareholders were in attendance.

After shaking the hands of everyone present, the Chairman opened the meeting at 11:00am and the formal business of the day was both conducted and concluded almost immediately. The shareholders quickly voted to accept the annual reports and financial statements for the year ended 31 May 2011 and questions were then invited from the floor.

The questions asked and answers given were as follows:

The board was asked if it intended to make any formal statements about the events during a difficult summer period.

Although he didn't answer the question directly, TG said that he and his Malaysian colleagues had no intention of either hurting or disrespecting anyone when they introduced the recent changes to the club's kit and badge. While appealing for everyone unite behind the team, he said "we may have issues, just as there are issues in any family, but we must keep our heads and pull together to help the players take this club to the promised land."

The Chairman stated that it pains him to lose even one fan and he would be doing everything within his powers to win back the support of those who have walked away from the club as a result of the re-branding exercise.

TG was asked if he believed the introduction of the re-branding plans could have been handled better by the club.

He said that, in hindsight, the situation could have been dealt with differently and said that he should take full personal responsibility for the way things turned out. However, he added that the club's hand had been forced to a large degree by the way in which information was leaked into the public domain before officials had been ready to release it, so the circumstances had been difficult to deal with.

The board was asked if they have taken any steps to plug the leaks which seem to have been originating from the club in recent years.

TG replied by suggesting that there are leaks in every organisation, including the highest levels of government, and that stopping those leaks is extremely difficult. He said there isn't much the officials can do about the situation that they aren't doing already, although he added the club is continually striving to become more professional in the way that it goes about all aspects of its business.

The Chairman was asked to give an update on the latest situation regarding the Langston loan notes debt.

He said the report which had appeared in this morning's South Wales Echo was an accurate reflection of the situation. TG confirmed that a fresh settlement offer has been made to Langston and the club is waiting for a response.

He then made an impassioned plea for Sam Hammam to get around the table and resolve this issue once and for all for the benefit of the football club. TG said: "If you really do love Cardiff City like you keep saying you do, then be a man and do what is right for the club. Don't keep moving the goalposts. Work with us and help us to put this club in a better and stronger position."

A shareholder then brought up the subject of the club's ongoing debt levels and queried a couple of entries in 2010/11 accounts, including an outstanding tax bill.

Finance Director Doug Lee stated that the club is now wholly compliant with HMRC both in terms of payments and deadlines, and said that has been the case ever since the Malaysian-based investors came onboard. He added that the club's debt levels should alter considerably once the long-standing Langston issue has finally been sorted out.

The subject of the recent Keep Cardiff Blue campaign meeting at the Municipal Club was raised by a shareholder, who described the kind of threats and foul-mouthed abuse that those opposed to the re-branding exercise had been subjected to on that occasion. He then outlined some of the reasons why he is personally opposed to the change from blue to red.

TG stated that he doesn't condone any form of threats or intimidation under any circumstances.

Chief Executive Alan Whiteley said the re-branding was a particularly difficult issue to deal with for everyone as the subject is so emotive. He said he fully appreciated that, for some supporters, there is simply no middle ground and nothing any of the officials can say will change their minds. However, he added that the club doesn't want to lose any fans if it can avoid doing so. Therefore, he will continue to attempt to answer any questions that supporters have and is happy to do that on a one-to-one basis.

The board was asked if anything can be done to improve the public transport links between the ciy centre and the Cardiff City Stadium on match days.

Alan Whiteley referred the question to Stadium Manager Wayne Nash, who explained that the club is currently in talks with Cardiff Bus to provide a new shuttle service from the city centre to the stadium. He said that Arriva Trains Wales are unwilling to utilise Ninian Park Halt at certain times during match days for safety reasons and are encouraging fans to use Grangetown Station instead, but the Chief Executive gave an undertaking to continue to press the train providers for a more satisfactory arrangement.

TG was asked under what circumstances he and the Malaysian investors would leave the club.

He replied that if they had been planning to leave at any stage, they would have done so during the darkest of times, but these are bright times. He added that there are times ahead which he believes will be brighter still.

The Chairman was asked about the alleged plans to increase the stadium's capacity.

TG said any plans going forward need a degree of optimism and, therefore, the board intends to be ready to expand the stadium as and when it is necessary to do so.

The board was asked what the football club had gained by the Cardiff Blues rugby club returning to the Cardiff Arms Park.

TG replied that it has been a win/win situation, as the rugby club wanted to leave and the football club's owners believed the stadium should be used exclusively for football. He said the rugby club had been very reasonable during the negotiations and although their departure will have an impact on revenue, it was necessary in terms of the football club's future plans.

The Chief Executive was asked to give an update regarding the plans for a new training ground.

He said that several sites had been identified and the club is currently working with the council on a feasibility study. He added that the new facilities are high on the club's list of priorities, particularly as the manager asks about them almost every day. He anticipated that construction work should start on the project within twelve months and the facilities should be completed within two years.

The Chairman was asked what sort interest Cardiff City Football Club currently generates in the Far East.

TG claimed that 3.2 million people in Malaysia watched the Carling Cup final, and the majority were supporting the Bluebirds. He said the team's replica shirt sales in his country far exceed those of QPR, who are also Malaysian-owned, and plenty of other Premier League clubs too. He stated that the club employs six permanent staff in Malaysia on its grassroots football and education project and interest there is growing steadily, but will increase considerably if and when the team reaches the top flight. He added that interest in the club in South Korea has increased dramatically with the signing of Kim Bo Kyung, but interest throughout the Far East would boom if the club can gain promotion to the promised land of the Premier League.

TG was asked if he considers the team to be the Bluebirds or the Dragons.

He replied that as far as he is concerned, Cardiff City are the Bluebirds and always will be.

Alan Whiteley was asked if the club will be employing a drummer during home matches this season.

He said that although the drum had been popular with a percentage of supporters, the club will be guided by what the majority want.

In the final question of the day, the board was asked what has happened to the large digital clocks which appear to have gone missing from inside the stadium.

Alan Whiteley said the Cardiff Blues had taken the clocks with them when they returned to the Arms Park, but new ones are on order.

The Chairman closed the meeting at 12:03am, at which point the board members left the top table and joined the shareholders on the floor for refreshments and a series of informal conversations.


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my only concerns are where have the fu..ing table and chairs gone ....quote he joined the others on the FLOOR FOR REFRESHMENTS

I can see TG in July has offered a good deal and that he is ready to finsh it but Sam is just being a c**k about it.

in regards to the Ninian Park Trains, i dont see why they don't use the station for people catching trains to treherbert! the trains still pass through there anyway so why not use it? very annoying!

We have sold more replica shirts in Malaysia than QPR and other Premier League Clubs?

I find that hard to believe. Be interested to know the figures though and quite impressive if true.

in regards to the Ninian Park Trains, i dont see why they don't use the station for people catching trains to treherbert! the trains still pass through there anyway so why not use it? very annoying!

totally agree f*cking waste of a platform for us Rhondda people

We have sold more replica shirts in Malaysia than QPR and other Premier League Clubs?

I find that hard to believe. Be interested to know the figures though and quite impressive if true.

Maybe something to do with the grass routes football scheme. Ie they have to have a kit to join or something.
I suppose if your in a scheme like that or even if our kid is in a scheme like that then you would automatically take an interest in the main team.

in regards to the Ninian Park Trains, i dont see why they don't use the station for people catching trains to treherbert! the trains still pass through there anyway so why not use it? very annoying!

totally agree f*cking waste of a platform for us Rhondda people

takes the piss tbh, we got to walk to grangetown and wait until 10.45 for a train while they still pass through Ninian! got to run if you get games that go into extra time and pens sort it out Arriva! btw anyone know if the trains are back to normal tomorrow?

On a plus note to these minutes, i find theres alot of good things in there for us as fans to feel good about if they all come to light that is. TLG wrote this with an unbiased view which is the 1st time ive ever seen this before

TLG wrote this with an unbiased view which is the 1st time ive ever seen this before

1) I have been writing reports for Mike Morris's website of fans' and shareholders' meetings with club officials since as far back as 2005 and have always attempted to produce completely unbiased accounts. Indeed, I have been praised and thanked for doing so by a variety of club officials on many occasions. I think it's best for fans to make their own minds up about what was said at these meetings. I save my personal opinions for other posts.

2) It is customary when you are copying and pasting somebody else's work to credit the author and the source. As its stands, it appears that you are trying to claim credit for the above report.

Odd that no-one asked about debt to equity conversion?

TLG wrote this with an unbiased view which is the 1st time ive ever seen this before

1) I have been writing reports for Mike Morris's website of fans' and shareholders' meetings with club officials since as far back as 2005 and have always attempted to produce completely unbiased accounts. Indeed, I have been praised and thanked for doing so by a variety of club officials on many occasions. I think it's best for fans to make their own minds up about what was said at these meetings. I save my personal opinions for other posts.

2) It is customary when you are copying and pasting somebody else's work to credit the author and the source. As its stands, it appears that you are trying to claim credit for the above report.

Well dave if you was in this thread where i posted to mike and back a few times which seemed to have gone from this thread for whatever reason then you would see. Where do i claim this is my outcome of what went on today, half the posts ive put in this thread to mike morris and back have GONE why i have no idea . I wanted this OP post added to this thread below where it mentions you as a mod states if you read it they would add on to it but they never and i have no idea why.

Where this post was supposed ot be added even stated by a mod in teh thread below and dont worry it mentions your name in there
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89455

As for what ive put its the exact same as you posted here on ccmb
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.ph ... 0&rid=9150

So get off your high horse along with mike who posted in here having a pop with the same old shit your like a pair of old farts at the bar talking about the war while swigging from the same pint glass thats sat behind the bar for the last 25years.

We have sold more replica shirts in Malaysia than QPR and other Premier League Clubs?

I find that hard to believe. Be interested to know the figures though and quite impressive if true.

well its up to people to believe him or not! but wouldnt surprise me with vts outlets, dont think he would say so unless true considering whats gone on before! do get fealing there is more to come in respect of far east investment once SH is sorted and do get impression its sam whos being awkward, also going by what has been said on previous posts sam seems to be hopeing for promotion to sqease vt why else would he turn down amount only 1mil in cash short of what he asked for but still get the 15mil all told! doesnt make sense for vt to stall unless he has no intention to swap debt but then hes no more secure than sam if he doesnt swap,! besides vt has put in to much to do anything else but swap!

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merlin where is your post gone from this thread where u said you or another mod would add this OP to this thread even this seems to have gone. People are deleting shit left right and center whats going on
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89455

On a plus note to these minutes, i find theres alot of good things in there for us as fans to feel good about if they all come to light that is. TLG wrote this with an unbiased view which is the 1st time ive ever seen this before

In fairness to him, he's opinionated, but does try to deal in facts.

I was at the meeting and took notes too, and was going to type them out however I'd say his list is pretty accurate and saves me a job

We have sold more replica shirts in Malaysia than QPR and other Premier League Clubs?

I find that hard to believe. Be interested to know the figures though and quite impressive if true.

well its up to people to believe him or not! but wouldnt surprise me with vts outlets, dont think he would say so unless true considering whats gone on before! do get fealing there is more to come in respect of far east investment once SH is sorted and do get impression its sam whos being awkward, also going by what has been said on previous posts sam seems to be hopeing for promotion to sqease vt why else would he turn down amount only 1mil in cash short of what he asked for but still get the 15mil all told! doesnt make sense for vt to stall unless he has no intention to swap debt but then hes no more secure than sam if he doesnt swap,! besides vt has put in to much to do anything else but swap!

Don't get too excited he was actually on about the 'copy' (i.e fake) shirts market. Honestly

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merlin where is your post gone from this thread where u said you or another mod would add this OP to this thread even this seems to have gone. People are deleting shit left right and center whats going on
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89455

It's just they weren't merged.
The main part is above so just added who the report is written by.

The old message you made is still available and you are correct in what you said above.

On a plus note to these minutes, i find theres alot of good things in there for us as fans to feel good about if they all come to light that is. TLG wrote this with an unbiased view which is the 1st time ive ever seen this before

In fairness to him, he's opinionated, but does try to deal in facts.

I was at the meeting and took notes too, and was going to type them out however I'd say his list is pretty accurate and saves me a job

I wish i never posted f**k all now it seems a mod (Merlin) has deleted his post from my 1st original post on this AGM thing with a walesonline link where i said i would add this OP above to viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89455, but it seems all thats been forgot about and my update which i copyed and pasted from TLG minutes has gone to a new thread as in this one but because it does not mention things that was said in my first post about this before TLG put out his minutes i got people asking for links,phone calls, permissions ect ect f*cking hidious as best. Even half the shits been deleted in this thread thats been said. I does make me wonder why people bother posting at all these days if others can take away and delete wtf they want to .

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merlin where is your post gone from this thread where u said you or another mod would add this OP to this thread even this seems to have gone. People are deleting shit left right and center whats going on
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89455

It's just they weren't merged.
The main part is above so just added who the report is written by.

The old message you made is still available and you are correct in what you said above.

So wheres merlins post in this thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89455 that stated when i put out TLG mins when he does them it would be added to that thread, but this is a sperate thread merlins post seems to have gone awol ????? if this thread was added to it then maybe mike or TLG wouldnt have bothered posting in here full stop. Thats my point because i mention where it was comming from in that 1st thread (TLG) before this one all i done was copy and paste what was on mikes board hence the word UPDATE on this thread headline..

Odd that no-one asked about debt to equity conversion?

It was discussed Tony. Basically there won't be any movement on this until Sam's debt is sorted. I think the words were 'when we can sort this out we can move on to sorting the rest of the debt'

Odd that no-one asked about debt to equity conversion?

It was discussed Tony. Basically there won't be any movement on this until Sam's debt is sorted. I think the words were 'when we can sort this out we can move on to sorting the rest of the debt'

OK Tim thanks for that, so as far as you can tell the debt to equity conversion is dependant on a conclusion to the Langston debt?

On a plus note to these minutes, i find theres alot of good things in there for us as fans to feel good about if they all come to light that is. TLG wrote this with an unbiased view which is the 1st time ive ever seen this before

In fairness to him, he's opinionated, but does try to deal in facts.

I was at the meeting and took notes too, and was going to type them out however I'd say his list is pretty accurate and saves me a job

I wish i never posted f**k all now it seems a mod (Merlin) has deleted his post from my 1st original post on this AGM thing with a walesonline link where i said i would add this OP above to viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89455, but it seems all thats been forgot about and my update which i copyed and pasted from TLG minutes has gone to a new thread as in this one but because it does not mention things that was said in my first post about this before TLG put out his minutes i got people asking for links,phone calls, permissions ect ect f*cking hidious as best. Even half the shits been deleted in this thread thats been said. I does make me wonder why people bother posting at all these days if others can take away and delete wtf they want to .

I don't know where merlins post is gone, I did see it before though and exactly as you said.

Prob my fault as I just stucky'd your new topic rather than merging them but that was mainly to get the new info to the top.
My mistake but for TLG reference all of 1977 comments on this are correct.

So all the questions about the malaysians have been answered and also the lack of any comments by the anti malaysians.

Message to Sam is quite clear, stop propaganda through your mouth pieces and get round the table.

Like it or not, these people are the best thing to ever happen to our club. Why people will want them out i will never know.

Odd that no-one asked about debt to equity conversion?

It was discussed Tony. Basically there won't be any movement on this until Sam's debt is sorted. I think the words were 'when we can sort this out we can move on to sorting the rest of the debt'

OK Tim thanks for that, so as far as you can tell the debt to equity conversion is dependant on a conclusion to the Langston debt?

He did seem genuinely frustrated by it all Tony.

Here is almost word for word what was said

When TG was asked 'what is the latest on Langston' he went into a bit more detail than I hav heard before.

- when Ridsdale came to see TG the first thing he said was 'we need £200k or the elctricity is getting cut off - ironically The Riddler had just flown to Malaysia FIRST FECKIN CLASS ! Not exactly the impression which was needed.

- the first thing TG had to do when they took over was beg the HMRC to give them another week to pay a debt to them..

BUT whe they took the club on they knew they were taking all the debts on, they could have avoided the debts and put the club into admin and then invested into a clean sheet.

With Sam they have made verious offers, including one for £15m, but each time Sam moves the goalposts. Then he goes quiet.

They are still investing in the club, and whilst they do this it seems Sam is raising the bar and wanting more.


TG said Sam had his chance, he had his time here and gambled on the clubs success, now he has failed he wants his stake back. His words were' Sam be a man and take the deal -get your respect back' show you love CCFC with actions, like we are with our continuing support of the club.

On a plus note to these minutes, i find theres alot of good things in there for us as fans to feel good about if they all come to light that is. TLG wrote this with an unbiased view which is the 1st time ive ever seen this before

In fairness to him, he's opinionated, but does try to deal in facts.

I was at the meeting and took notes too, and was going to type them out however I'd say his list is pretty accurate and saves me a job

I wish i never posted f**k all now it seems a mod (Merlin) has deleted his post from my 1st original post on this AGM thing with a walesonline link where i said i would add this OP above to viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89455, but it seems all thats been forgot about and my update which i copyed and pasted from TLG minutes has gone to a new thread as in this one but because it does not mention things that was said in my first post about this before TLG put out his minutes i got people asking for links,phone calls, permissions ect ect f*cking hidious as best. Even half the shits been deleted in this thread thats been said. I does make me wonder why people bother posting at all these days if others can take away and delete wtf they want to .

I don't know where merlins post is gone, I did see it before though and exactly as you said.

Prob my fault as I just stucky'd your new topic rather than merging them but that was mainly to get the new info to the top.
My mistake but for TLG reference all of 1977 comments on this are correct.

Thanks for clearing this up because i dont enjoy mike or TLG having a go at me because my 1st thread on this topic on where this thread was supposed to be merged had been deleted. which would have said where it come from and who wrote it. I dont expect TLG or mike( whos posts have gone from this thread funny enough ) to say sorry my bad but hay ho there we have it, i just wanted to clear this up as deleted shit caused all this

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Odd that no-one asked about debt to equity conversion?

It was discussed Tony. Basically there won't be any movement on this until Sam's debt is sorted. I think the words were 'when we can sort this out we can move on to sorting the rest of the debt'

OK Tim thanks for that, so as far as you can tell the debt to equity conversion is dependant on a conclusion to the Langston debt?

He did seem genuinely frustrated by it all Tony.

Here is almost word for word what was said

When TG was asked 'what is the latest on Langston' he went into a bit more detail than I hav heard before.

- when Ridsdale came to see TG the first thing he said was 'we need £200k or the elctricity is getting cut off - ironically The Riddler had just flown to Malaysia FIRST FECKIN CLASS ! Not exactly the impression which was needed.

- the first thing TG had to do when they took over was beg the HMRC to give them another week to pay a debt to them..

BUT whe they took the club on they knew they were taking all the debts on, they could have avoided the debts and put the club into admin and then invested into a clean sheet.

With Sam they have made verious offers, including one for £15m, but each time Sam moves the goalposts. Then he goes quiet.

They are still investing in the club, and whilst they do this it seems Sam is raising the bar and wanting more.


TG said Sam had his chance, he had his time here and gambled on the clubs success, now he has failed he wants his stake back. His words were' Sam be a man and take the deal -get your respect back' show you love CCFC with actions, like we are with our continuing support of the club.

Spot on!!!

He did seem genuinely frustrated by it all Tony.

Here is almost word for word what was said

When TG was asked 'what is the latest on Langston' he went into a bit more detail than I hav heard before.

- when Ridsdale came to see TG the first thing he said was 'we need £200k or the elctricity is getting cut off - ironically The Riddler had just flown to Malaysia FIRST FECKIN CLASS ! Not exactly the impression which was needed.

- the first thing TG had to do when they took over was beg the HMRC to give them another week to pay a debt to them..

BUT whe they took the club on they knew they were taking all the debts on, they could have avoided the debts and put the club into admin and then invested into a clean sheet.

With Sam they have made verious offers, including one for £15m, but each time Sam moves the goalposts. Then he goes quiet.

They are still investing in the club, and whilst they do this it seems Sam is raising the bar and wanting more.


TG said Sam had his chance, he had his time here and gambled on the clubs success, now he has failed he wants his stake back. His words were' Sam be a man and take the deal -get your respect back' show you love CCFC with actions, like we are with our continuing support of the club.

Cheers mate thats really helpful

On a plus note to these minutes, i find theres alot of good things in there for us as fans to feel good about if they all come to light that is. TLG wrote this with an unbiased view which is the 1st time ive ever seen this before

In fairness to him, he's opinionated, but does try to deal in facts.

I was at the meeting and took notes too, and was going to type them out however I'd say his list is pretty accurate and saves me a job

I wish i never posted f**k all now it seems a mod (Merlin) has deleted his post from my 1st original post on this AGM thing with a walesonline link where i said i would add this OP above to viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89455, but it seems all thats been forgot about and my update which i copyed and pasted from TLG minutes has gone to a new thread as in this one but because it does not mention things that was said in my first post about this before TLG put out his minutes i got people asking for links,phone calls, permissions ect ect f*cking hidious as best. Even half the shits been deleted in this thread thats been said. I does make me wonder why people bother posting at all these days if others can take away and delete wtf they want to .

I don't know where merlins post is gone, I did see it before though and exactly as you said.

Prob my fault as I just stucky'd your new topic rather than merging them but that was mainly to get the new info to the top.
My mistake but for TLG reference all of 1977 comments on this are correct.

Thanks for clearing this up because i dont enjoy mike or TLG having a go at me because my 1st thread on this topic on where this thread was supposed to be merged had been deleted. which would have said where it come from and who wrote it. I dont expect TLG or mike( whos posts have gone from this thread funny enough ) to say sorry my bad but hay ho there we have it, i just wanted to clear this up as deleted shit caused all this

you are missing the point. it is bad form / poor etiquette / bad manners / disrespectful (delete as appropriate) to copy and paste someone else's posts from a different website.

If you do feel you have the right copy and paste someone else's words from another website you should at the very least link to where you got it from. That's the point we are making.

And just saying TLG wrote this and then copying and pasting it all is still a cheek.