Rebranding was going ahead, investment or not.

According to Gwynn's thread about shirt colour registration the new kit was registered at the end of last season.

So the club lied with all this bullshit about it being linked to the investment.

I personally hate the rebranding and will continue to wear blue to every game but the battle was lost before it began because the sly bastards had already confirmed the change with the FL.

Even though we have signed some quality new players and the future on the pitch looks promising, which might result in us reaching the PL, i cannot get excited about the new season.

Personally i have never wanted to get to the PL, i feel that top league football is expensive to maintain for the club which then gets passed to us. I prefered watching us in the lower leagues with smaller crowds and players like Searle, Perry and the like who played for the club not the money. But that is the way football has gone, i renewed my season ticket at the very last minute because i had falling out of love for the game, it was my wife who persuaded me to continue, now i feel that i was wrong to do so.

I understand that VT and co own 40ish% of the club and that they and the crooks make the decisions that affect the club
but i still think they should be loyal to us the fans who invest, collectively, a large percentage of the income to the club.

So stop the bullshit and say it as it is, the rebranding was going ahead whatever, it was never taken off the table, VT and co never backed down as reported it was a smoke screen and if we reach the PL they will sell up, that is why the change is for 1 year.

EXACTLY more lies , im sick of it , thats why I didnt renew . Staying Blue watching the games at home or in the pub. May go away for a couple of games but not giving the club £500 a year any more. Just gonna sit back enjoy my armchair football and wait until all this bollocks blows over.

But Borley said it would be red or dead. We've all been conned, end of.

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But Borley said it would be red or dead. We've all been conned, end of.

It would have been! The reaction they received they were close to disappearing, so in essence, yes, red or dead!

But Borley said it would be red or dead. We've all been conned, end of.

It would have been! The reaction they received they were close to disappearing, so in essence, yes, red or dead!

no it wouldn't have been.

they would have sold their shares/loans to another investor.
to have a business fail is a major disgrace in asia and they wouldn't have let that happen.
so it is all bullshit.

red or dead, investment linked to rebranding, trust us. BOLLACKS

According to Gwynn's thread about shirt colour registration the new kit was registered at the end of last season.

So the club lied with all this bullshit about it being linked to the investment.

I personally hate the rebranding and will continue to wear blue to every game but the battle was lost before it began because the sly bastards had already confirmed the change with the FL.

Even though we have signed some quality new players and the future on the pitch looks promising, which might result in us reaching the PL, i cannot get excited about the new season.

Personally i have never wanted to get to the PL, i feel that top league football is expensive to maintain for the club which then gets passed to us. I prefered watching us in the lower leagues with smaller crowds and players like Searle, Perry and the like who played for the club not the money. But that is the way football has gone, i renewed my season ticket at the very last minute because i had falling out of love for the game, it was my wife who persuaded me to continue, now i feel that i was wrong to do so.

I understand that VT and co own 40ish% of the club and that they and the crooks make the decisions that affect the club
but i still think they should be loyal to us the fans who invest, collectively, a large percentage of the income to the club.

So stop the bullshit and say it as it is, the rebranding was going ahead whatever, it was never taken off the table, VT and co never backed down as reported it was a smoke screen and if we reach the PL they will sell up, that is why the change is for 1 year.

And where did i say that was fact, or did i ask the question, was this done and was VT shrewder than we gave him credit for.What I said was perhaps he had covered all bases, and if his plan met so much opposition and he had to stick to his statement and not give us ant further investment as it said, then he could honour the part and use blue as the home kit.

Urban legend, someone posts their thought or opinions and suddenly they are nailed on facts because someone mis interp rates them. Mad world.

But Borley said it would be red or dead. We've all been conned, end of.

It would have been! The reaction they received they were close to disappearing, so in essence, yes, red or dead!

no it wouldn't have been.

they would have sold their shares/loans to another investor.
to have a business fail is a major disgrace in asia and they wouldn't have let that happen.
so it is all bullshit.

red or dead, investment linked to rebranding, trust us. BOLLACKS

Do you mean the string of investors that were lining up to buy us before they did??? Just look at Pompey, there's no string of investors there either! If they went they would have cut their losses

If Searle, Perry & Co had been offered more money to pay for somebody else, they'd have been gone like a shot and I wouldn't blame them!

But Borley said it would be red or dead. We've all been conned, end of.

It would have been! The reaction they received they were close to disappearing, so in essence, yes, red or dead!

no it wouldn't have been.

they would have sold their shares/loans to another investor.
to have a business fail is a major disgrace in asia and they wouldn't have let that happen.
so it is all bullshit.

red or dead, investment linked to rebranding, trust us. BOLLACKS

Yeh, bet there's loads of investors queuing up to invest in us, perhaps they missed all the other opportunities to invest on the previous occasions, perhaps they thought they'd wait until we were in even more debt before they came in, surely you are not serious.

Alan Whiteley never said we were red or dead, what he did say when questioned at the meeting was, if VT stopped propping us up and no other investors came in, then we could only carry on for three or four months.
So not dead, just back in the shit big time.

I believe the re branding should have been made public prior to the Carling Cup Final when fans were asked to re new or become season ticket holders on the proviso that they would get an extra ticket/a ticket.

Had this been done I am convinced that many would not have renewed their season ticket. Fans should have been given the option then rather than get fans to renew their tickets then have the re brand placed in front of them.

I believe the re branding should have been made public prior to the Carling Cup Final when fans were asked to re new or become season ticket holders on the proviso that they would get an extra ticket/a ticket.

Had this been done I am convinced that many would not have renewed their season ticket. Fans should have been given the option then rather than get fans to renew their tickets then have the re brand placed in front of them.

And when we lost they would have been slaughtered for doing so and would have been blamed for us losing the final. Instead they later offerred refunds to anyone who wanted one, which was the right thing to do.

I believe the re branding should have been made public prior to the Carling Cup Final when fans were asked to re new or become season ticket holders on the proviso that they would get an extra ticket/a ticket.

Had this been done I am convinced that many would not have renewed their season ticket. Fans should have been given the option then rather than get fans to renew their tickets then have the re brand placed in front of them.

Totally disagree, anyone not happy could have asked for their money back, and anyone who only renewed to get extra tickets are not worth having IMO

I believe the re branding should have been made public prior to the Carling Cup Final when fans were asked to re new or become season ticket holders on the proviso that they would get an extra ticket/a ticket.

Had this been done I am convinced that many would not have renewed their season ticket. Fans should have been given the option then rather than get fans to renew their tickets then have the re brand placed in front of them.

Why though???? You would still be supporting the same team; Cardiff CIty FC, we're just in a different colour. The CLUB hasn't changed!

According to Gwynn's thread about shirt colour registration the new kit was registered at the end of last season.

So the club lied with all this bullshit about it being linked to the investment.

I personally hate the rebranding and will continue to wear blue to every game but the battle was lost before it began because the sly bastards had already confirmed the change with the FL.

Even though we have signed some quality new players and the future on the pitch looks promising, which might result in us reaching the PL, i cannot get excited about the new season.

Personally i have never wanted to get to the PL, i feel that top league football is expensive to maintain for the club which then gets passed to us. I prefered watching us in the lower leagues with smaller crowds and players like Searle, Perry and the like who played for the club not the money. But that is the way football has gone, i renewed my season ticket at the very last minute because i had falling out of love for the game, it was my wife who persuaded me to continue, now i feel that i was wrong to do so.

I understand that VT and co own 40ish% of the club and that they and the crooks make the decisions that affect the club
but i still think they should be loyal to us the fans who invest, collectively, a large percentage of the income to the club.

So stop the bullshit and say it as it is, the rebranding was going ahead whatever, it was never taken off the table, VT and co never backed down as reported it was a smoke screen and if we reach the PL they will sell up, that is why the change is for 1 year.

There is no way that we can be sure that Gywn's opinion is fact. So that it is one hell of a conclusion to jump to that VT was lying to us along.

Searle and Perry definitely played for money and took as much as the club could afford in those times. Your preference might be for the lower league football but the vast majority would prefer Cardiff City to thrive and be successful.

I agree that the fan base invests a lot of money into CCFC every year (at least £6m) and should be treated accordingly.

However, I am satisfied with VT's running of the club by providing funds to keep CCFC alive and pushing ahead. Others are disillusioned by losing our primary playing colours.

So the fact is not every fan is against VT as your post suggests and I also believe that VT/TG have been very clear about their plans for CCFC.

I believe the re branding should have been made public prior to the Carling Cup Final when fans were asked to re new or become season ticket holders on the proviso that they would get an extra ticket/a ticket.

Had this been done I am convinced that many would not have renewed their season ticket. Fans should have been given the option then rather than get fans to renew their tickets then have the re brand placed in front of them.

Totally disagree, anyone not happy could have asked for their money back, and anyone who only renewed to get extra tickets are not worth having IMO

I think you are wrong there. There are fans who have not got their money back when they have tried and there are probably thousands who renewed their season ticket on the priviso they would get an extra ticket for the final. The club sold 1,500 new season tickets alone on the back of that so are those fans not worth having? Likewise I assume that you are saying that the thousands of ST holders that renewed then are also not worth having?

According to Gwynn's thread about shirt colour registration the new kit was registered at the end of last season.

So the club lied with all this bullshit about it being linked to the investment.

I personally hate the rebranding and will continue to wear blue to every game but the battle was lost before it began because the sly bastards had already confirmed the change with the FL.

Even though we have signed some quality new players and the future on the pitch looks promising, which might result in us reaching the PL, i cannot get excited about the new season.

Personally i have never wanted to get to the PL, i feel that top league football is expensive to maintain for the club which then gets passed to us. I prefered watching us in the lower leagues with smaller crowds and players like Searle, Perry and the like who played for the club not the money. But that is the way football has gone, i renewed my season ticket at the very last minute because i had falling out of love for the game, it was my wife who persuaded me to continue, now i feel that i was wrong to do so.

I understand that VT and co own 40ish% of the club and that they and the crooks make the decisions that affect the club
but i still think they should be loyal to us the fans who invest, collectively, a large percentage of the income to the club.

So stop the bullshit and say it as it is, the rebranding was going ahead whatever, it was never taken off the table, VT and co never backed down as reported it was a smoke screen and if we reach the PL they will sell up, that is why the change is for 1 year.

And where did i say that was fact, or did i ask the question, was this done and was VT shrewder than we gave him credit for.What I said was perhaps he had covered all bases, and if his plan met so much opposition and he had to stick to his statement and not give us ant further investment as it said, then he could honour the part and use blue as the home kit.

Urban legend, someone posts their thought or opinions and suddenly they are nailed on facts because someone mis interp rates them. Mad world.

Gwynn I think there are crosswires here, i was refering to a thread you made regarding league rules about shirt colours, i don't know which thread you are quoting.
if i was clever enough i would have done a link to it.

They haven't invested heavily in us, they have saddled us with more debt.

Every penny they are putting in has been very well spun by Whiteley saying that they "haven't taken anything out", not yet, they are charging heavy amounts of interest. It's like receiving a mortgage from a loan shark who still tells you when you can shag your wife and how you can do so, they should be custodians, not dictators.

For those who think that it's great news that we are buying this player and that player, where does the money come from? Does no-one remember our outgoings compared to income when Dave Jones was manager? Simply put, the more money these guys spend, the more money our club goes in to debt.

Everyone keeps saying look at Portsmouth, that's exactly what I am doing, they weren't in huge debt until a string of dishonest foreign owners repeatedly overspent leaving the club saddled with ridiculous amount of debt.

I am not criticising Malky, he wants the best players he is allowed to have, that's his job, but the spin by the board and the way our fans have lapped it up has been nothing short of shameful.

I for one, will be wearing blue on Friday and while it means little to any of you as I rarely post on this board, I hope that everyone who believes that we should have identity as the club I grew up in love with is standing beside me with their principles.

As everyone keeps saying, do you think Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, anyone else would take this?

Red or dead, bollocks, Premier League at any cost, even more bollocks. Marketing is Asia? Be serious, we are not Man U, Barca, Real Madrid etc, are they trying to say that they will step in to their market successfully? Pull the other one.

This is all about the ego of one man, a rich man’s whim, CCFC fans should take more pride in our club (without all trying to bloody kill each other) and unite for what is one of the biggest seasons in recent memory, I sincerely think that in that stadium will be the correct players and manager to achieve something, but as what cost?

KEEP CARDIFF BLUE!!

They haven't invested heavily in us, they have saddled us with more debt.

Every penny they are putting in has been very well spun by Whiteley saying that they "haven't taken anything out", not yet, they are charging heavy amounts of interest. It's like receiving a mortgage from a loan shark who still tells you when you can shag your wife and how you can do so, they should be custodians, not dictators.

For those who think that it's great news that we are buying this player and that player, where does the money come from? Does no-one remember our outgoings compared to income when Dave Jones was manager? Simply put, the more money these guys spend, the more money our club goes in to debt.

Everyone keeps saying look at Portsmouth, that's exactly what I am doing, they weren't in huge debt until a string of dishonest foreign owners repeatedly overspent leaving the club saddled with ridiculous amount of debt.

I am not criticising Malky, he wants the best players he is allowed to have, that's his job, but the spin by the board and the way our fans have lapped it up has been nothing short of shameful.

I for one, will be wearing blue on Friday and while it means little to any of you as I rarely post on this board, I hope that everyone who believes that we should have identity as the club I grew up in love with is standing beside me with their principles.

As everyone keeps saying, do you think Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, anyone else would take this?

Red or dead, bollocks, Premier League at any cost, even more bollocks. Marketing is Asia? Be serious, we are not Man U, Barca, Real Madrid etc, are they trying to say that they will step in to their market successfully? Pull the other one.

This is all about the ego of one man, a rich man’s whim, CCFC fans should take more pride in our club (without all trying to bloody kill each other) and unite for what is one of the biggest seasons in recent memory, I sincerely think that in that stadium will be the correct players and manager to achieve something, but as what cost?

KEEP CARDIFF BLUE!!

exactly, and would they accept the changes if the new colour was white and the badge was a swan?

They haven't invested heavily in us, they have saddled us with more debt.

Every penny they are putting in has been very well spun by Whiteley saying that they "haven't taken anything out", not yet, they are charging heavy amounts of interest. It's like receiving a mortgage from a loan shark who still tells you when you can shag your wife and how you can do so, they should be custodians, not dictators.

For those who think that it's great news that we are buying this player and that player, where does the money come from? Does no-one remember our outgoings compared to income when Dave Jones was manager? Simply put, the more money these guys spend, the more money our club goes in to debt.

Everyone keeps saying look at Portsmouth, that's exactly what I am doing, they weren't in huge debt until a string of dishonest foreign owners repeatedly overspent leaving the club saddled with ridiculous amount of debt.

I am not criticising Malky, he wants the best players he is allowed to have, that's his job, but the spin by the board and the way our fans have lapped it up has been nothing short of shameful.

I for one, will be wearing blue on Friday and while it means little to any of you as I rarely post on this board, I hope that everyone who believes that we should have identity as the club I grew up in love with is standing beside me with their principles.

As everyone keeps saying, do you think Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, anyone else would take this?

Red or dead, bollocks, Premier League at any cost, even more bollocks. Marketing is Asia? Be serious, we are not Man U, Barca, Real Madrid etc, are they trying to say that they will step in to their market successfully? Pull the other one.

This is all about the ego of one man, a rich man’s whim, CCFC fans should take more pride in our club (without all trying to bloody kill each other) and unite for what is one of the biggest seasons in recent memory, I sincerely think that in that stadium will be the correct players and manager to achieve something, but as what cost?

KEEP CARDIFF BLUE!!

Man Utd & Liverpool, whilst having far bigger income streams to ourselves, have got far more outstanding debt than us and are also owned by foreign owners, so yes they are taking it!

According to Gwynn's thread about shirt colour registration the new kit was registered at the end of last season.

So the club lied with all this bullshit about it being linked to the investment.

I personally hate the rebranding and will continue to wear blue to every game but the battle was lost before it began because the sly bastards had already confirmed the change with the FL.

Even though we have signed some quality new players and the future on the pitch looks promising, which might result in us reaching the PL, i cannot get excited about the new season.

Personally i have never wanted to get to the PL, i feel that top league football is expensive to maintain for the club which then gets passed to us. I prefered watching us in the lower leagues with smaller crowds and players like Searle, Perry and the like who played for the club not the money. But that is the way football has gone, i renewed my season ticket at the very last minute because i had falling out of love for the game, it was my wife who persuaded me to continue, now i feel that i was wrong to do so.

I understand that VT and co own 40ish% of the club and that they and the crooks make the decisions that affect the club
but i still think they should be loyal to us the fans who invest, collectively, a large percentage of the income to the club.

So stop the bullshit and say it as it is, the rebranding was going ahead whatever, it was never taken off the table, VT and co never backed down as reported it was a smoke screen and if we reach the PL they will sell up, that is why the change is for 1 year.

I really do feel hurt and betrayed by it all and we are all bent over a barrel .Put it this way what choice do we have dump the City after 30 years of support but why should I.Or try to find a a place in your heart to continue your support.It all depends on the individual but the club have put us all in this position with Tan the instigator of it all.

Why should he be allowed to mess with peoples emotions and feelings just cos he wants to put in 100m.Money is not everything neither is success but a team that lots of people gave there heart and soul to for many years what ever league we have been in is.The blue kit and badge is a representation of all those years supporting the club through think and thin no matter what.That is what it represents to me,to throw it away and chalk it all off like they have is deeply hurtful disrespectful and disappointing especially when you here the reasons the re brand took place.Even the mighty Real Madrid could not break the Asian market.The rebrand never needed to take place and if they thought to do it then the fans should av had a say out of respect alone

The fact they have concluded all this has left me GUTTED the symbols that I have so much pride in have gone so a large chunk of Cardiff City to me has gone .I am trying to find a place in my heart for the new Cardiff City but in taking so much away it has left in a weird position where I dont like Cardiff City as it stands and that includes a lot of fans for just excepting it all.

If we were in the 4 th divison or what ever it is called now and at the bottom end how many of these so called Cardiff fans would go watch us ?Not many is it but its these so called glory plastic fans that have rolled over just addicted to success what ever the cost to Cardiff City is now intolerable.Were does a true loyal fan stand in the current Cardiff City? Answer is I just dont no and its a real shame.

Those who wish to support football in this way is up to them but I would rather stand with 3/4000 in divison 4 in blue at home with the true badge and I would be the proudest man around supporting MY club and that is what its all about.

Dont know where to start on this. The O/P says he preferred it in the lower divisions??

How does that work? Were you disappointed when we used to get promoted? Did you
cheer when we got relegated "phew what a relief"?

Searle, Perry, Dale, Stant... great servants of the Club. But they'd have all been off
like a shot if they'd been offered more money to play in the Premiership

PREMIERSHIP FOOTBALL is all about money. End of.

As for Pat Mustard?

Answer this. If Tan suddenly decides to up and go. Where will he get his 100mil back
from. Seriously now. WHO is going to pay him back. He's not stupid. He knows the
Club is worth nowhere near what he's put in. So if City go into Administration... he's
absolutely fucked. So he MUST be investing. It HAS to be debt to equity for him to
have any chance of protecting his money. That means its an investment. Like it or
not he has a long term plan for this Club, and he is PROVING IT.

Red is a tw*t of a colour, I want my Bluebird back.

but I dont want to go bust. I will live in hope that we will be Blue again one day.

Until then, i'll settle for a Club pushing for Premiership Football rather than a bust
one starting again in the Aberdare and District Ex-Coal Miners and Lorry Drivers
League (Div 3).

If this Club goes under. IT WILL NOT COME BACK. IN BLUE OR IN ANY OTHER COLOUR

My honest opinion is VT will get us into the prem for 2/3 years float us on whatever stock market, make more money and move on, making him more millions and us with a new owner who straight away will want all fans on there side and change us back to Blue at home and our proper badge So be patient and enjoy premier league football

They haven't invested heavily in us, they have saddled us with more debt.

Every penny they are putting in has been very well spun by Whiteley saying that they "haven't taken anything out", not yet, they are charging heavy amounts of interest. It's like receiving a mortgage from a loan shark who still tells you when you can shag your wife and how you can do so, they should be custodians, not dictators.

For those who think that it's great news that we are buying this player and that player, where does the money come from? Does no-one remember our outgoings compared to income when Dave Jones was manager? Simply put, the more money these guys spend, the more money our club goes in to debt.

Everyone keeps saying look at Portsmouth, that's exactly what I am doing, they weren't in huge debt until a string of dishonest foreign owners repeatedly overspent leaving the club saddled with ridiculous amount of debt.

I am not criticising Malky, he wants the best players he is allowed to have, that's his job, but the spin by the board and the way our fans have lapped it up has been nothing short of shameful.

I for one, will be wearing blue on Friday and while it means little to any of you as I rarely post on this board, I hope that everyone who believes that we should have identity as the club I grew up in love with is standing beside me with their principles.

As everyone keeps saying, do you think Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, anyone else would take this?

Red or dead, bollocks, Premier League at any cost, even more bollocks. Marketing is Asia? Be serious, we are not Man U, Barca, Real Madrid etc, are they trying to say that they will step in to their market successfully? Pull the other one.

This is all about the ego of one man, a rich man’s whim, CCFC fans should take more pride in our club (without all trying to bloody kill each other) and unite for what is one of the biggest seasons in recent memory, I sincerely think that in that stadium will be the correct players and manager to achieve something, but as what cost?

KEEP CARDIFF BLUE!!

I agree with you mate and its sad in it maybe one day they will uderstand but only when its to late.

My honest opinion is VT will get us into the prem for 2/3 years float us on whatever stock market, make more money and move on, making him more millions and us with a new owner who straight away will want all fans on there side and change us back to Blue at home and our proper badge So be patient and enjoy premier league football

Yea fair play but surrounded by glory hunting fans that no f**k all mate.I dont want none of it and he hasnt brain washed me

And when we lost they would have been slaughtered for doing so and would have been blamed for us losing the final. Instead they later offerred refunds to anyone who wanted one, which was the right thing to do.

Refund for which I received £461 after forking out £521 in full for my son and I in April. (After the Cup final). They know that honesty would've been extremely costly.

According to Gwynn's thread about shirt colour registration the new kit was registered at the end of last season.

So the club lied with all this bullshit about it being linked to the investment.

I personally hate the rebranding and will continue to wear blue to every game but the battle was lost before it began because the sly bastards had already confirmed the change with the FL.

Even though we have signed some quality new players and the future on the pitch looks promising, which might result in us reaching the PL, i cannot get excited about the new season.

Personally i have never wanted to get to the PL, i feel that top league football is expensive to maintain for the club which then gets passed to us. I prefered watching us in the lower leagues with smaller crowds and players like Searle, Perry and the like who played for the club not the money. But that is the way football has gone, i renewed my season ticket at the very last minute because i had falling out of love for the game, it was my wife who persuaded me to continue, now i feel that i was wrong to do so.

I understand that VT and co own 40ish% of the club and that they and the crooks make the decisions that affect the club
but i still think they should be loyal to us the fans who invest, collectively, a large percentage of the income to the club.

So stop the bullshit and say it as it is, the rebranding was going ahead whatever, it was never taken off the table, VT and co never backed down as reported it was a smoke screen and if we reach the PL they will sell up, that is why the change is for 1 year.

I really do feel hurt and betrayed by it all and we are all bent over a barrel .Put it this way what choice do we have dump the City after 30 years of support but why should I.Or try to find a a place in your heart to continue your support.It all depends on the individual but the club have put us all in this position with Tan the instigator of it all.

Why should he be allowed to mess with peoples emotions and feelings just cos he wants to put in 100m.Money is not everything neither is success but a team that lots of people gave there heart and soul to for many years what ever league we have been in is.The blue kit and badge is a representation of all those years supporting the club through think and thin no matter what.That is what it represents to me,to throw it away and chalk it all off like they have is deeply hurtful disrespectful and disappointing especially when you here the reasons the re brand took place.Even the mighty Real Madrid could not break the Asian market.The rebrand never needed to take place and if they thought to do it then the fans should av had a say out of respect alone

The fact they have concluded all this has left me GUTTED the symbols that I have so much pride in have gone so a large chunk of Cardiff City to me has gone .I am trying to find a place in my heart for the new Cardiff City but in taking so much away it has left in a weird position where I dont like Cardiff City as it stands and that includes a lot of fans for just excepting it all.

If we were in the 4 th divison or what ever it is called now and at the bottom end how many of these so called Cardiff fans would go watch us ?Not many is it but its these so called glory plastic fans that have rolled over just addicted to success what ever the cost to Cardiff City is now intolerable.Were does a true loyal fan stand in the current Cardiff City? Answer is I just dont no and its a real shame.

Those who wish to support football in this way is up to them but I would rather stand with 3/4000 in divison 4 in blue at home with the true badge and I would be the proudest man around supporting MY club and that is what its all about.

Oh,the f*cking IRONY of it all.If it wasn't for VT you blue-lovers would be casting all your bile and bullshit at Sam Hamman cos like it or not he let you live your dream,made a load of terrible mistakes left us with debts and now wants his money back.Ah yes Sam Hamman only the real fans appreciated what he did for our club the rest of us plastics hope VT keep us with some sort of club.And if he don't-well even sammies little blind hobbit followers will have no club at all to follow.

They haven't invested heavily in us, they have saddled us with more debt.

Every penny they are putting in has been very well spun by Whiteley saying that they "haven't taken anything out", not yet, they are charging heavy amounts of interest. It's like receiving a mortgage from a loan shark who still tells you when you can shag your wife and how you can do so, they should be custodians, not dictators.

And who is it owed to, so he's loaning us money increasing the debt to himself, he has already put in much more than the club is worth, so if it went bust, he would get nowhere near returned in relation to what he's put in, so who's risk is it and who stands to lose money if it goes wrong, and as for interest rates, you try and borrow 40 million anywhere and see how much they'd ask for.


For those who think that it's great news that we are buying this player and that player, where does the money come from? Does no-one remember our outgoings compared to income when Dave Jones was manager? Simply put, the more money these guys spend, the more money our club goes in to debt.

Everyone keeps saying look at Portsmouth, that's exactly what I am doing, they weren't in huge debt until a string of dishonest foreign owners repeatedly overspent leaving the club saddled with ridiculous amount of debt.

I am not criticising Malky, he wants the best players he is allowed to have, that's his job, but the spin by the board and the way our fans have lapped it up has been nothing short of shameful.

I for one, will be wearing blue on Friday and while it means little to any of you as I rarely post on this board, I hope that everyone who believes that we should have identity as the club I grew up in love with is standing beside me with their principles.

As everyone keeps saying, do you think Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, anyone else would take this?

Red or dead, bollocks, Premier League at any cost, even more bollocks. Marketing is Asia? Be serious, we are not Man U, Barca, Real Madrid etc, are they trying to say that they will step in to their market successfully? Pull the other one.

This is all about the ego of one man, a rich man’s whim, CCFC fans should take more pride in our club (without all trying to bloody kill each other) and unite for what is one of the biggest seasons in recent memory, I sincerely think that in that stadium will be the correct players and manager to achieve something, but as what cost?

KEEP CARDIFF BLUE!!

According to Gwynn's thread about shirt colour registration the new kit was registered at the end of last season.

So the club lied with all this bullshit about it being linked to the investment.

I personally hate the rebranding and will continue to wear blue to every game but the battle was lost before it began because the sly bastards had already confirmed the change with the FL.

Even though we have signed some quality new players and the future on the pitch looks promising, which might result in us reaching the PL, i cannot get excited about the new season.

Personally i have never wanted to get to the PL, i feel that top league football is expensive to maintain for the club which then gets passed to us. I prefered watching us in the lower leagues with smaller crowds and players like Searle, Perry and the like who played for the club not the money. But that is the way football has gone, i renewed my season ticket at the very last minute because i had falling out of love for the game, it was my wife who persuaded me to continue, now i feel that i was wrong to do so.

I understand that VT and co own 40ish% of the club and that they and the crooks make the decisions that affect the club
but i still think they should be loyal to us the fans who invest, collectively, a large percentage of the income to the club.

So stop the bullshit and say it as it is, the rebranding was going ahead whatever, it was never taken off the table, VT and co never backed down as reported it was a smoke screen and if we reach the PL they will sell up, that is why the change is for 1 year.

And where did i say that was fact, or did i ask the question, was this done and was VT shrewder than we gave him credit for.What I said was perhaps he had covered all bases, and if his plan met so much opposition and he had to stick to his statement and not give us ant further investment as it said, then he could honour the part and use blue as the home kit.

Urban legend, someone posts their thought or opinions and suddenly they are nailed on facts because someone mis interp rates them. Mad world.

Gwynn I think there are crosswires here, i was refering to a thread you made regarding league rules about shirt colours, i don't know which thread you are quoting.
if i was clever enough i would have done a link to it.

You wont find that post anywhere, like many others deleted if it looks as if the argument is being won by what some people call the red side rather than the Progress side.