Football League Statement re Colours

Apologies again if this has already been posted, as I expect it has been, because people were talking at the KCB meeting about how "we are now red" and how "this can't be changed". I wrote to the Football League to ask if this absolutely was the case, and if it would still be possible for the club to change back to blue before the start of the season. They sent back a message saying that there was nothing further to add other than this statement (below) which has already been made -

“It is the right of every club within The Football League to choose the colours that they play in and the crest that appears on their shirts, although team colours must be registered with The League at the start of each season.

The Football League encourages clubs to consult with supporters on any major changes they plan to make and to take account of the views expressed.”

The 2 things I would get from this are -

1. I believe it might still be possible for the club to switch back to a blue home kit. The statement says that the team colours must be registered at the start of the season. No other date is mentioned (eg. must be registered by August 1st or something). Therefore, up until the first game of the season, I feel that the Football League would still consider a switch back to blue.

2. Clearly, the Football League is fully sympathetic with fans' views on this one, hence the second part of the statement. I think this might well be the major reason why the club sent out that nonsensical survey about the strip, etc. (nonsensical to me because if the strip was already changed, why then ask for fans' views about the change?)

I therefore think that a very small victory for all fans opposed to the re-brand would be to switch the shirts around before the start of the season, which I think the Football League would agree to. We would still have the appalling badge, at least for the first few games. Perhaps within the first 10 games this could also be changed.

We already know the answer to this, there is nothing written in the rules about swapping home/away kit, only that it must not interfere with other teams kits in the league. (Which we worked out it wont).

BUT, it does not matter, Tan has made his mind up, this year we WILL play in RED at home. NQAT!

Next Year, who knows?? But we will have a different badge and kit.

I would just leave it be... Wasting time protesting (In my opinion)

We already know the answer to this, there is nothing written in the rules about swapping home/away kit, only that it must not interfere with other teams kits in the league. (Which we worked out it wont).

BUT, it does not matter, Tan has made his mind up, this year we WILL play in RED at home. NQAT!

Next Year, who knows?? But we will have a different badge and kit.

I would just leave it be... Wasting time protesting (In my opinion)

I'm sorry, but I disagree. A situation where we make up which colour to wear on a game by game basis would be absolutely farcical. I haven't given up hope that the club has the sense to change back to a blue home kit, and I am standing by that.

We already know the answer to this, there is nothing written in the rules about swapping home/away kit, only that it must not interfere with other teams kits in the league. (Which we worked out it wont).

BUT, it does not matter, Tan has made his mind up, this year we WILL play in RED at home. NQAT!

Next Year, who knows?? But we will have a different badge and kit.

I would just leave it be... Wasting time protesting (In my opinion)

I'm sorry, but I disagree. A situation where we make up which colour to wear on a game by game basis would be absolutely farcical. I haven't given up hope that the club has the sense to change back to a blue home kit, and I am standing by that.

I didn't state on a game-by-game basis. The kit would have to be decided by a certain date (cannot remember the exact date), and you cannot change from home to away after that date. Before that date, you can change your mind as many times as you want, however, it must not interfere/clash with any teams you are playing. (I'm paraphrasing of course). But this is the jist of the rule.

The club will NOT change from Red to Blue this season. Especially not for 120 fans

so only 120 fans want cardiff to play in blue ? i dont believe you, sorry

so only 120 fans want cardiff to play in blue ? i dont believe you, sorry

No I am saying that only 120 "fans" are protesting to play in blue. Difference

That really is a joke mate. 120 people at the KCB meeting was a good turn-out for an event that was not widely publicised, and for an event that the organisers who sent out the email regarding it expressly asked that people would keep it quiet so as not to alert potential disruptive elements.

But of those 120 people, nearly all of them will tell you they knew about another 10 people (friends and fans) they were reporting back the results of the meeting to.

Along with that, obviously there were also quite a large number who were not aware of the meeting, or were not able to attend due to location, etc.

That really is a joke mate. 120 people at the KCB meeting was a good turn-out for an event that was not widely publicised, and for an event that the organisers who sent out the email regarding it expressly asked that people would keep it quiet so as not to alert potential disruptive elements.

But of those 120 people, nearly all of them will tell you they knew about another 10 people (friends and fans) they were reporting back the results of the meeting to.

Along with that, obviously there were also quite a large number who were not aware of the meeting, or were not able to attend due to location, etc.

Ok mate, you obviously live in a dream world where you think that everybody is against the Malaysians and against the re-brand... Newsflash their not!!

Also, please see attachement on the rules & regs of the league colours. Pretty much sums up what I said!

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Not quite sure why you've posted that mate. I take it what you're saying is we should be able to decide which away games we can play in blue at, under these regulations? Well, big deal.

Newsflash, if Blue was our registered first team kit (which, as no date is given, I believe the Football League would still accept a switch back to), we could not only play all our home games in blue (bar one, should we choose to, heh), but we could also play the majority of away games in blue!!

And newsflash number 2, if the club decided after all to do a re-U-turn, which I have not ruled out as a possibility, and which I part wonder if they may be reluctant to do to save face, but which in my opinion would show a victory for fans and common sense, and would be greeted by relief by many, I think OVER 95% of Cardiff fans would be happy. You tell me a Cardiff fan who would turn round to you and say, if the club reverted to playing in blue, "but I wanted us to play in red"???

Apologies again if this has already been posted, as I expect it has been, because people were talking at the KCB meeting about how "we are now red" and how "this can't be changed". I wrote to the Football League to ask if this absolutely was the case, and if it would still be possible for the club to change back to blue before the start of the season. They sent back a message saying that there was nothing further to add other than this statement (below) which has already been made -

“It is the right of every club within The Football League to choose the colours that they play in and the crest that appears on their shirts, although team colours must be registered with The League at the start of each season.

The Football League encourages clubs to consult with supporters on any major changes they plan to make and to take account of the views expressed.”

The 2 things I would get from this are -

1. I believe it might still be possible for the club to switch back to a blue home kit. The statement says that the team colours must be registered at the start of the season. No other date is mentioned (eg. must be registered by August 1st or something). Therefore, up until the first game of the season, I feel that the Football League would still consider a switch back to blue.

2. Clearly, the Football League is fully sympathetic with fans' views on this one, hence the second part of the statement. I think this might well be the major reason why the club sent out that nonsensical survey about the strip, etc. (nonsensical to me because if the strip was already changed, why then ask for fans' views about the change?)

I therefore think that a very small victory for all fans opposed to the re-brand would be to switch the shirts around before the start of the season, which I think the Football League would agree to. We would still have the appalling badge, at least for the first few games. Perhaps within the first 10 games this could also be changed.

I have read but typically cannot find it now that a club can have special dispensation to play at home in their away kit with the permission of the officials and that it does not clash with the opposition.

That really is a joke mate. 120 people at the KCB meeting was a good turn-out for an event that was not widely publicised, and for an event that the organisers who sent out the email regarding it expressly asked that people would keep it quiet so as not to alert potential disruptive elements.

But of those 120 people, nearly all of them will tell you they knew about another 10 people (friends and fans) they were reporting back the results of the meeting to.

Along with that, obviously there were also quite a large number who were not aware of the meeting, or were not able to attend due to location, etc.

Ok mate, you obviously live in a dream world where you think that everybody is against the Malaysians and against the re-brand... Newsflash their not!!

Also, please see attachement on the rules & regs of the league colours. Pretty much sums up what I said!

Unfortunately I think that you are wrong. There are thousands who disagree with the re brand and that will take its toll this season and into next season with attendances and season tickets sales down. There has not been a proper poll who supports/disagrees with the re brand therefore figures are purely speculative. From communications on the forum you will probably find a 50-50 split, so where its accepted that not everyone is against the re rand a lot of loyal fans who care about tradition, history and identity are against the re brand. Season tickets are down this season by a few thousand many signed up this year with the incentive of a Cup Final ticket. A big if, we are promoted fine. If we are not promoted this season then numbers are likely to be down next season.

Not quite sure why you've posted that mate. I take it what you're saying is we should be able to decide which away games we can play in blue at, under these regulations? Well, big deal.

Newsflash, if Blue was our registered first team kit (which, as no date is given, I believe the Football League would still accept a switch back to), we could not only play all our home games in blue (bar one, should we choose to, heh), but we could also play the majority of away games in blue!!

And newsflash number 2, if the club decided after all to do a re-U-turn, which I have not ruled out as a possibility, and which I part wonder if they may be reluctant to do to save face, but which in my opinion would show a victory for fans and common sense, and would be greeted by relief by many, I think OVER 95% of Cardiff fans would be happy. You tell me a Cardiff fan who would turn round to you and say, if the club reverted to playing in blue, "but I wanted us to play in red"???

There is more chance of you smashing Cheryl Cole and Katy Perry in the same night whilst Kate Beckinsale provides you with room service.

Unfortunately I think that you are wrong. There are thousands who disagree with the re brand and that will take its toll this season and into next season with attendances and season tickets sales down. There has not been a proper poll who supports/disagrees with the re brand therefore figures are purely speculative. From communications on the forum you will probably find a 50-50 split, so where its accepted that not everyone is against the re rand a lot of loyal fans who care about tradition, history and identity are against the re brand. Season tickets are down this season by a few thousand many signed up this year with the incentive of a Cup Final ticket. A big if, we are promoted fine. If we are not promoted this season then numbers are likely to be down next season.

Loads disagree with the rebrand but they'll still turn up like coke addicts looking for their next fix. Only a few will stay away, the rest will be scratching the walls of the CCS to get inside.

so only 120 fans want cardiff to play in blue ? i dont believe you, sorry

No I am saying that only 120 "fans" are protesting to play in blue. Difference

I expect thousands more will be protesting in their own quiet way, by wearing blue shirts and not buying into the red 'brand'.

It has occurred to me, following what I wrote earlier, although obviously I have nothing to back this up, that the reason the club issued the hastily put together opinion poll re. the colours, badge, etc. was in order to satisfy the Football League's conditions (as stated above) that there had been some consultation with fans re. the re-brand.

If this is the case, it certainly would be an extremely underhand tactic given that the re-brand had already been effectively rubber-stamped. Once this had supposedly been done, then of course, other than some objections, the opinion poll would be likely to reflect the opinion that people were satisfied with it on the grounds that the investment goes ahead, and on the grounds that, many might feel, there was nothing that could now be done about it anyway.

Any interested observers will note that the results of the opinion poll have not yet been published. I concede that most likely they will be, and besides, I would personally say that they could be pretty much ignored for reasons stated above. However, I would also like to hear a clear reason as to why this poll was conducted, and if it was in order to satisfy the Football League's conditions, I think there is definitely a case that the club has acted improperly as the poll was only conducted after the re-brand had effectively already gone ahead.

It has occurred to me, following what I wrote earlier, although obviously I have nothing to back this up, that the reason the club issued the hastily put together opinion poll re. the colours, badge, etc. was in order to satisfy the Football League's conditions (as stated above) that there had been some consultation with fans re. the re-brand.

If this is the case, it certainly would be an extremely underhand tactic given that the re-brand had already been effectively rubber-stamped. Once this had supposedly been done, then of course, other than some objections, the opinion poll would be likely to reflect the opinion that people were satisfied with it on the grounds that the investment goes ahead, and on the grounds that, many might feel, there was nothing that could now be done about it anyway.

Any interested observers will note that the results of the opinion poll have not yet been published. I concede that most likely they will be, and besides, I would personally say that they could be pretty much ignored for reasons stated above. However, I would also like to hear a clear reason as to why this poll was conducted, and if it was in order to satisfy the Football League's conditions, I think there is definitely a case that the club has acted improperly as the poll was only conducted after the re-brand had effectively already gone ahead.

Honestly mate your starting to sound like you have a 'reds under the beds' obession in the same way McCarthyism did in 1950's USA.

For the record VT (or the club before you start) didn't need to pull a stunt with a biased opinion poll as there was a £100m on offer and we needed it, end of.

Clubs register by 30th June, due to early rounds of European matches.

Honestly mate you're starting to sound like you have a 'reds under the beds' obession in the same way McCarthyism did in 1950's USA.

For the record VT (or the club before you start) didn't need to pull a stunt with a biased opinion poll as there was a £100m on offer and we needed it, end of.

I think it would depend on whether the club felt the need to satisfy a requirement by the Football League, regardless of any money involved, to demonstrate in some way that there had been proper consultation with fans.

The fact that this opinion poll was conducted after they had announced that the deal had been effectively rubber-stamped to me demonstrates that fans were not properly consulted in advance.

I feel it is quite likely I have discovered a loop-hole here, one that the club is going to need to answer to, and one which just might mean that the re-brand will have to be reconsidered. I can't really understand anyone like yourself opposing this being looked into. I understand there is a lot of investment involved, but my hope is still, particularly after discovering this loop-hole, that the rebrand will have to be halted, but Vincent Tan will still go ahead with the proposed investment.

Hope you don't mind me correcting your spelling by the way.

Clubs register by 30th June, due to early rounds of European matches.

No they don`t.

The Regulations say the change of colours must be registered in the Close Season which is defined as the period outside the Season , The Season is defined as the period between the final League game of the previous season and the first League game of the following season. Nothing to do with European matches.

CCFC registered its colours before 8 May 2012 , but could have delayed that by nearly 3 months