Why are we 'still' in the English system?

Why are we even in it? I dont want to be the best in England. I want Cardiff to be the best in the country that matters, Wales, and for us to win our own league. I think us, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport should all be in the Welsh system.

Its all just money, it has to be. We can still get in the CL through the Welsh system. Celtic attracted decent players there for their level. Diouf, Larsson, etc. they have a big stadium. Rangers had the same.

Cardiff and Swansea in the WPL would definitely get a deal from Sky because people would want to see that derby on TV.

That would boost both clubs profiles just like the old firm has done for Rangers and Celtic. It would also be better for smaller welsh sides.

CELTIC BEAT INTER MILAN 2-1. Impossible is nothing.

The Welsh League is only poor and doesn't get an auto CL spot because the best welsh teams aren't in it.

Do you think Porto cared that their league was a 2 horse race every year when they lifted the CL under Mourinho? No. I bet they felt proud, a team from their national league, representing their country, representing their people won it.

What would we achieve? Qualifying through an English system. We'd get a wild card but they know for a fact we would be representing England. There would be idiots out saying Cardiff from the EPL and they'd automatically associate Cardiff with England. Qualifying teams: Manchester City, Manchester United, Chelsea, Cardiff City. < ENGLAND.

Our club is still in the English system for money which is sad.

I would much rather our club fight to the death with Swansea every season for that spot in Europe. Thats where our true rivalry is, with them.

To be fair, the English have a point. Our league has existed for 20 years now, the WPL, why are we still playing in Englands system?

Anyone who responds with 'money' is more of a sellout than those who want a red kit imo.

If we ever go into admin, this may even happen because I can see us being rejected a place back in the English system if we go down the same path as Rangers.

WELSH FOOTBALL WILL NEVER BE ON THE INTERNATIONAL MAP UNTIL ITS TOP CLUBS ARE IN ITS OWN DOMESTIC LEAGUE. FACT.

Cardiff and Swansea playing in the English system is like putting Porto and Benfica in La Liga. Its stupid. Our system wont grow because the two biggest cities, Cardiff and Swansea aren't their to promote it or help it. We've left the rest of Welsh football to rot.

Just like Benfica and Porto do, and Celtic do and Rangers did, we should be in the Welsh system, tapping up all the best Welsh talent across the country and then selling them on. i.e. McGeady to Russia, Allen might be going to Liverpool, Ramsey to Arsenal etc. That money would have done better for us in the Welsh system than it would in the Championship.

Lets be honest, we will never compete at the top level of English football and its dumb to think we will. Liverpool, City, United, Chelsea are financial powerhouses, have massive cities with international links etc.

Our city has a tiny population that is unlikely to rapidly grow to the level of those cities. There is a reason those cities have been dominant. London, Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, etc.

I would rather us win the WPL and gain CL qualification representing our own country than become a Stoke in the prem and have to settle for 2nd best and just hope we win a cup every year. Thats all we'll become. Just watch Swansea. They'll be a mid table floating team for the next few years then flirt with relegation probably, maybe come back down. Where is the ambition in that?

There is just no way we can compete with City, United, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Newcastle, etc. so we'd be settling for second best.

If you disagree then fair enough but I just think the reason people fear WPL is because of the state it is currently in and think we would collapse to that level. I dont think we would though, we would stagnate at a higher level as Rangers and Celtic were/are in their leagues.

If kids saw Cardiff winning the WPL and get in the CL playing the likes of Barcelona they would come and we could fill a 40,000 stadium. Most kids dont want to see a side settling for second best in the Championship, floating in the prem so they go support LFC instead.

We are a club, driven by money and always have been and thats why we have been stuck in the English pyramid for so long. Tradition my arse. We could have entered the WPL in 1992, won it for years/shared the spoils with the Jacks, been in the CL and put ourselves on the world stage.

The SPL started 6 years later and is bigger because their two teams stuck around. Look at their attendances. We could have had crowds like Celtic but instead we settled for second best.

Cardiff City FC wouldn't survive in the Welsh Leagues. We have a debt of £82mil, the attendances would dramatically drop to a very poor average of a couple thousand and Tan would want his money back an sell.

Heck, even the jacks wouldnt survive.

Sod that for a game of soldiers. I want to play against quality opposition week in week out, not look forward to a couple of games in a season.

Idiotic post.

What a waste of time and energy typing all that out!

Crazy idea......

Sod that for a game of soldiers. I want to play against quality opposition week in week out, not look forward to a couple of games in a season.

Urm, Dundee give Rangers good games. With us in the WPL the league would strengthen and the smaller teams would get better.

Add to the fact we'd probably get a CL spot like the SPL and possible games against Milan, Barca, etc.

There is a reason players like Ledley go to Celtic to play than stay here. They want to win trophies, dont care where they are and they want CL football.

Sod that for a game of soldiers. I want to play against quality opposition week in week out, not look forward to a couple of games in a season.

Urm, Dundee give Rangers good games. With us in the WPL the league would strengthen and the smaller teams would get better.

Add to the fact we'd probably get a CL spot like the SPL and possible games against Milan, Barca, etc.

There is a reason players like Ledley go to Celtic to play than stay here. They want to win trophies, dont care where they are and they want CL football.

You're missing the point.

What a waste of time and energy typing all that out!

Crazy idea......

How is it crazy? Please tell me.

You clearly didnt read it.

if we were in the WPL we'd have more attending from winning and being in the CL. If we were in the WPL and the Jacks were we'd have more derbies.

Our system could have been similar to the SPL. Celtic attract massive crowds.

Scottish football is dependant on Rangers and Celtic, The WPL could have been dependent on us but instead we did the dirty on them and stayed in the English system.

Welsh football will never take off because of that so anyone who thinks Welsh football will become some big thing is deluded. There is a reason Bosnia are higher in FIFA rankings. Their top clubs play in their league.

Cardiff City FC wouldn't survive in the Welsh Leagues. We have a debt of £82mil, the attendances would dramatically drop to a very poor average of a couple thousand and Tan would want his money back an sell.

Heck, even the jacks wouldnt survive.

Both Celtic and Rangers average over 45,000. That could have been us if we had implemented the same system 6 years earlier.

What a waste of time and energy typing all that out!

Crazy idea......

How is it crazy? Please tell me.

You clearly didnt read it.

if we were in the WPL we'd have more attending from winning and being in the CL. If we were in the WPL and the Jacks were we'd have more derbies.

Our system could have been similar to the SPL. Celtic attract massive crowds.

Scottish football is dependant on Rangers and Celtic, The WPL could have been dependent on us but instead we did the dirty on them and stayed in the English system.

Welsh football will never take off because of that so anyone who thinks Welsh football will become some big thing is deluded. There is a reason Bosnia are higher in FIFA rankings. Their top clubs play in their league.

I've been agreeing with you today but this thread is a bit stupid mate.

We wouldn;t be making the money we would in the championship. IF, for some reason, we were in the welsh league and won the WPL, it wouldnt mean we'd go straight to the group stages of CL.

I wish youd f**k off back to ccmb

Cardiff City FC wouldn't survive in the Welsh Leagues. We have a debt of £82mil, the attendances would dramatically drop to a very poor average of a couple thousand and Tan would want his money back an sell.

Heck, even the jacks wouldnt survive.

Both Celtic and Rangers average over 45,000. That could have been us if we had implemented the same system 6 years earlier.

Rangers folded due to not making enough money and Celtic get bigger crowds, more money but STILL can't qualify to the CL. So what chance would we have making it to the CL via the Welsh system?

I can see all the fans turn up to watch us beat airbus UK or whatever their name is rather than wanting the chance to see us get to prem to face man utd , arsenal etc , get your hull stubs ready

Fair play mate, if anyone ever wondered if we should be playing in the Welsh league, I would direct them to this post for a comprehensive list of positive reasons. And I also agree with you.

What a waste of time and energy typing all that out!

Crazy idea......

How is it crazy? Please tell me.

You clearly didnt read it.

if we were in the WPL we'd have more attending from winning and being in the CL. If we were in the WPL and the Jacks were we'd have more derbies.

Our system could have been similar to the SPL. Celtic attract massive crowds.

Scottish football is dependant on Rangers and Celtic, The WPL could have been dependent on us but instead we did the dirty on them and stayed in the English system.

Welsh football will never take off because of that so anyone who thinks Welsh football will become some big thing is deluded. There is a reason Bosnia are higher in FIFA rankings. Their top clubs play in their league.

I've been agreeing with you today but this thread is a bit stupid mate.

We wouldn;t be making the money we would in the championship. IF, for some reason, we were in the welsh league and won the WPL, it wouldnt mean we'd go straight to the group stages of CL.

Why wouldn't it? We'd definitely get given a similar place to how it is in the SPL.

Why would we need to make the money we make in the championship? In fact we're not even making money here.

We would get put in the third qualifying round as do the SPL winners. If we get to the group stages, you get a lot of money coming in from those games.

The reason most people are scared of the idea is they've never seen it happen. The SPL has done wonders for both Celtic and Rangers. Rangers are having trouble now but will rise again im sure of that. That could have been us and the Jacks.

What a waste of time and energy typing all that out!

Crazy idea......

How is it crazy? Please tell me.

You clearly didnt read it.

if we were in the WPL we'd have more attending from winning and being in the CL. If we were in the WPL and the Jacks were we'd have more derbies.

Our system could have been similar to the SPL. Celtic attract massive crowds.

Scottish football is dependant on Rangers and Celtic, The WPL could have been dependent on us but instead we did the dirty on them and stayed in the English system.

Welsh football will never take off because of that so anyone who thinks Welsh football will become some big thing is deluded. There is a reason Bosnia are higher in FIFA rankings. Their top clubs play in their league.

I've been agreeing with you today but this thread is a bit stupid mate.

We wouldn;t be making the money we would in the championship. IF, for some reason, we were in the welsh league and won the WPL, it wouldnt mean we'd go straight to the group stages of CL.

Why wouldn't it? We'd definitely get given a similar place to how it is in the SPL.

Why would we need to make the money we make in the championship? In fact we're not even making money here.

We would get put in the third qualifying round as do the SPL winners. If we get to the group stages, you get a lot of money coming in from those games.

The reason most people are scared of the idea is they've never seen it happen. The SPL has done wonders for both Celtic and Rangers. Rangers are having trouble now but will rise again im sure of that. That could have been us and the Jacks.

The main reason why Celtic and Rangers had some success in the CL is the fact that there is more people in Scotland and more football fans there than here. I still can't see your logic unless Tan (or a new investor) gave Malky (or a different manager) a decent budget to make it to the CL. But who'd want to play in the welsh leagues?

I can see all the fans turn up to watch us beat airbus UK or whatever their name is rather than wanting the chance to see us get to prem to face man utd , arsenal etc , get your hull stubs ready

AIRBUS ARE SHIT BECAUSE THE TOP TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE LEFT.

CELTIC LOOK AT THE LOWER SCOTTISH TEAMS FOR TALENT AND NURTURE THEM AND TURN THEM INTO GOOD PLAYERS. WE HAVE GOOD FACILITIES. IF WE WERE IN THE WELSH PREM WE COULD GET THE BEST FROM ALL ACROSS, WALES, SIGN SOME HIDDEN GEMS, ETC.

Celtic fans turn up to see them play against lesser teams. They still give them a good game. The thing is, we could face United every season winning the WPL yet we just settled down here. We could have already had trips to the Nou Camp, Bernabau, San Siro, OT by winning a qualifying round in the 3rd stages to get in the groups.

We should have implemented the SPL system and us and the Jacks dominate it whilst keeping our books in check. In this league we have to spend much much much more to compete and thats putting us in a position where we are losing £1m per month.

Historically we've played in the English league since 1920 and before that the English southern league don't think we've played in a welsh league I could be wrong I certainly wouldn't entertain that myself there was a Cardiff side in low I didn't go watch them no interest no competition sorry not for me

I can see all the fans turn up to watch us beat airbus UK or whatever their name is rather than wanting the chance to see us get to prem to face man utd , arsenal etc , get your hull stubs ready

AIRBUS ARE SHIT BECAUSE THE TOP TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE LEFT.

CELTIC LOOK AT THE LOWER SCOTTISH TEAMS FOR TALENT AND NURTURE THEM AND TURN THEM INTO GOOD PLAYERS. WE HAVE GOOD FACILITIES. IF WE WERE IN THE WELSH PREM WE COULD GET THE BEST FROM ALL ACROSS, WALES, SIGN SOME HIDDEN GEMS, ETC.

Celtic fans turn up to see them play against lesser teams. They still give them a good game. The thing is, we could face United every season winning the WPL yet we just settled down here. We could have already had trips to the Nou Camp, Bernabau, San Siro, OT by winning a qualifying round in the 3rd stages to get in the groups.

We should have implemented the SPL system and us and the Jacks dominate it whilst keeping our books in check. In this league we have to spend much much much more to compete and thats putting us in a position where we are losing £1m per month.

WE ALREADY SIGN HIDDEN GEMS.

Again, money is a major major factor in modern football, due to modern football being a business.

Wow! At least you agree with Roth magic on something!

What a waste of time and energy typing all that out!

Crazy idea......

How is it crazy? Please tell me.

You clearly didnt read it.

if we were in the WPL we'd have more attending from winning and being in the CL. If we were in the WPL and the Jacks were we'd have more derbies.

Our system could have been similar to the SPL. Celtic attract massive crowds.

Scottish football is dependant on Rangers and Celtic, The WPL could have been dependent on us but instead we did the dirty on them and stayed in the English system.

Welsh football will never take off because of that so anyone who thinks Welsh football will become some big thing is deluded. There is a reason Bosnia are higher in FIFA rankings. Their top clubs play in their league.

I've been agreeing with you today but this thread is a bit stupid mate.

We wouldn;t be making the money we would in the championship. IF, for some reason, we were in the welsh league and won the WPL, it wouldnt mean we'd go straight to the group stages of CL.

Why wouldn't it? We'd definitely get given a similar place to how it is in the SPL.

Why would we need to make the money we make in the championship? In fact we're not even making money here.

We would get put in the third qualifying round as do the SPL winners. If we get to the group stages, you get a lot of money coming in from those games.

The reason most people are scared of the idea is they've never seen it happen. The SPL has done wonders for both Celtic and Rangers. Rangers are having trouble now but will rise again im sure of that. That could have been us and the Jacks.

The main reason why Celtic and Rangers had some success in the CL is the fact that there is more people in Scotland and more football fans there than here. I still can't see your logic unless Tan (or a new investor) gave Malky (or a different manager) a decent budget to make it to the CL. But who'd want to play in the welsh leagues?

There are more football fans because the top clubs play in their league, they get in the CL regularly and they win titles regularly. Loads dont want to support Cardiff in the 2nd tier just floating, they want a team winning something. Other teams will say its easy to win, who gives a shit? we're in the CL and we have a trophy. It would mean a lot to us Welsh just as the SPL means a lot to the Scots but not many other people.

The population difference is about 2 million. More fans would come from North Wales to watch CCFC if we had fixtures against Barcelona etc. Why would they come watch us play Doncaster?

We could probably walk the title on £3m transfers. I hope we take this option if we go in admin and get kicked out of english pyramid. Celtic's debts are going down from TV deals with Sky, CL group money and winning the league etc. They dont need to spend massive on players because the competition is not that high. Plus the Europa league etc.

Ledley went to Celtic for CL, extra money, etc. They could offer that because of Group money in the CL and TV deals.

He wanted to win silverware and he wanted CL football. He did not want to play for a side floating in the Championship.

Hmmmmmm watch your team play in the best league in the world, visit the best grounds in the world, and watch the best players in the world

OR

Or go to Llansillybobobo on a wet tuseday night standing in a cow shed with 8 other people watching Dai the postman

Wed be lucky to have 3000 in the WPL

I can see all the fans turn up to watch us beat airbus UK or whatever their name is rather than wanting the chance to see us get to prem to face man utd , arsenal etc , get your hull stubs ready

AIRBUS ARE SHIT BECAUSE THE TOP TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE LEFT.

CELTIC LOOK AT THE LOWER SCOTTISH TEAMS FOR TALENT AND NURTURE THEM AND TURN THEM INTO GOOD PLAYERS. WE HAVE GOOD FACILITIES. IF WE WERE IN THE WELSH PREM WE COULD GET THE BEST FROM ALL ACROSS, WALES, SIGN SOME HIDDEN GEMS, ETC.

Celtic fans turn up to see them play against lesser teams. They still give them a good game. The thing is, we could face United every season winning the WPL yet we just settled down here. We could have already had trips to the Nou Camp, Bernabau, San Siro, OT by winning a qualifying round in the 3rd stages to get in the groups.

We should have implemented the SPL system and us and the Jacks dominate it whilst keeping our books in check. In this league we have to spend much much much more to compete and thats putting us in a position where we are losing £1m per month.

WE ALREADY SIGN HIDDEN GEMS.

Again, money is a major major factor in modern football, due to modern football being a business.

We are losing £1m a month. In the WPL we'd be making money from CL money, trophies, selling talent to the Prem, english leagues like the SPL sides do, TV deals with setanta etc. Yet we wouldn't have to spend loads to keep winning hte league.

Hmmmmmm watch your team play in the best league in the world, visit the best grounds in the world, and watch the best players in the world

OR

Or go to Llansillybobobo on a wet tuseday night standing in a cow shed with 8 other people watching Dai the postman

OR WIN YOUR TITLE IN YOUR HOME COUNTRY, BUS PARADE IN YOUR CITY, GET IN EUROPE, BLOW YOUR LOAD OVER THE CL DRAW AS YOU'RE IN A GROUP WITH BARCA, ROMA AND BESIKTAS. TRIPS TO TURKEY, ITALY AND THE SPAIN. THOSE TOP CLUBS COMING TO WALES PUTTING US ON THE MAP.

YEAH THOUGHT SO.

Wed be lucky to have 3000 in the WPL

Based on what? So you're also saying 18,000 of our fans are plastics then yeah?

Im pretty sure they'd all return once we were winning the league year after year and in the CL on trips across Europe playing the big boys. They'd soon return then dont worry.

I can see all the fans turn up to watch us beat airbus UK or whatever their name is rather than wanting the chance to see us get to prem to face man utd , arsenal etc , get your hull stubs ready

AIRBUS ARE SHIT BECAUSE THE TOP TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE LEFT.

CELTIC LOOK AT THE LOWER SCOTTISH TEAMS FOR TALENT AND NURTURE THEM AND TURN THEM INTO GOOD PLAYERS. WE HAVE GOOD FACILITIES. IF WE WERE IN THE WELSH PREM WE COULD GET THE BEST FROM ALL ACROSS, WALES, SIGN SOME HIDDEN GEMS, ETC.

Celtic fans turn up to see them play against lesser teams. They still give them a good game. The thing is, we could face United every season winning the WPL yet we just settled down here. We could have already had trips to the Nou Camp, Bernabau, San Siro, OT by winning a qualifying round in the 3rd stages to get in the groups.

We should have implemented the SPL system and us and the Jacks dominate it whilst keeping our books in check. In this league we have to spend much much much more to compete and thats putting us in a position where we are losing £1m per month.

WE ALREADY SIGN HIDDEN GEMS.

Again, money is a major major factor in modern football, due to modern football being a business.

We are losing £1m a month. In the WPL we'd be making money from CL money, trophies, selling talent to the Prem, english leagues like the SPL sides do, TV deals with setanta etc. Yet we wouldn't have to spend loads to keep winning hte league.

Jesus wept.

OUR PLAYERS WOULD LEAVE THE CLUB. WE'D MAKE ABOUT 10 GRAND FOR WINNING THE WELSH PREM, GET KNOCKED OUT OF THE FIRST QUALIFYING STAGE AND HAVE NO TALENT TO SELL.

rant over,

Jesus wept.

OUR PLAYERS WOULD LEAVE THE CLUB. WE'D MAKE ABOUT 10 GRAND FOR WINNING THE WELSH PREM, GET KNOCKED OUT OF THE FIRST QUALIFYING STAGE AND HAVE NO TALENT TO SELL.

rant over,

Nonsense. The SPL has achieved more than the WPL in a shorter space of time because it has its top clubs in it, FACT.

If the top clubs of Welsh football were in the WPL we'd go into the 3rd round. The only reason they dont currently is because there is no reason to do so because of the lack of quality. We'd bring that quality. Players would come to us to get CL football just as they did Rangers and as they do Celtic, as they do Porto etc.

We wouldn't lose all our players. Players leave England and Wales to go to Celtic so its obvious that there is appeal in winning the league and playing in the CL, even if it was just a 2 horse race.

Tell me what is attractive playing in the Championship floating about every season? What is good for Swansea being in the premiership knowing they will never EVER EVER get into the CL?

No Welsh team will ever ever ever get in the CL through the English pyramid system. We dont have the resources to compete. However we are able to win our own league without spending too much and get into Europe.

UEFA would give us a spot if our two top teams were in the league equal to that of the SPL's and Portugals.

What a stupid thread, pointless !

What a stupid thread, pointless !

Did you even read it? I bet not.