Well well well

No its not jeremy kyle. Lets take tans money - If he converts the debt to equity of course as promised once sams is payed (not that i can see this happening yet), atleast we would have more of a chance of the club listening to fans/KCB views then once there balls deep in equity that way fans do not have the fear of what it could bring which is why this clash happened last night due to some thinking VT could go if KCB go ahead with piecefull protests.
What other options have we got rite now because as we stand we are playing in red next season with a to-bit badge off a chinese menu that got dropped through my front letterbox.
As a fan we have to like it or lump it this is whats going on next season as the new kit is in with the football league for the comming season plus anyone who wants to show there anger in the ground or around it vs the owners for the rebrand will be used as a new style of homebargains kitchen mop.

Where do we go from here, Ideas are welcome if there constructive.

So as big brother would say YOU DECIDE!!!!

No its not jeremy kyle. Lets take tans money - If he converts the debt to equity of course as promised once sams is payed (not that i can see this happening yet), atleast we would have more of a chance of the club listening to fans/KCB views then once there balls deep in equity that way fans do not have the fear of what it could bring which is why this clash happened last night due to some thinking VT could go if KCB go ahead with piecefull protests.
What other options have we got rite now because as we stand we are playing in red next season with a to-bit badge off a chinese menu that got dropped through my front letterbox.
As a fan we have to like it or lump it this is whats going on next season as the new kit is in with the football league for the comming season plus anyone who wants to show there anger in the ground or around it vs the owners for the rebrand will be used as a new style of homebargains kitchen mop.

Where do we go from here, Ideas are welcome if there constructive.

So as big brother would say YOU DECIDE!!!!

It's the same question over and over again.
Answer = There isn't one.
Personally I will just be supporting the team.
Life's too short.

No its not jeremy kyle. Lets take tans money - If he converts the debt to equity of course as promised once sams is payed (not that i can see this happening yet), atleast we would have more of a chance of the club listening to fans/KCB views then once there balls deep in equity that way fans do not have the fear of what it could bring which is why this clash happened last night due to some thinking VT could go if KCB go ahead with piecefull protests.
What other options have we got rite now because as we stand we are playing in red next season with a to-bit badge off a chinese menu that got dropped through my front letterbox.
As a fan we have to like it or lump it this is whats going on next season as the new kit is in with the football league for the comming season plus anyone who wants to show there anger in the ground or around it vs the owners for the rebrand will be used as a new style of homebargains kitchen mop.

Where do we go from here, Ideas are welcome if there constructive.

So as big brother would say YOU DECIDE!!!!

It's the same question over and over again.
Answer = There isn't one.
Personally I will just be supporting the team.
Life's too short.

Exactly, just get on with it.

No its not jeremy kyle. Lets take tans money - If he converts the debt to equity of course as promised once sams is payed (not that i can see this happening yet), atleast we would have more of a chance of the club listening to fans/KCB views then once there balls deep in equity that way fans do not have the fear of what it could bring which is why this clash happened last night due to some thinking VT could go if KCB go ahead with piecefull protests.
What other options have we got rite now because as we stand we are playing in red next season with a to-bit badge off a chinese menu that got dropped through my front letterbox.
As a fan we have to like it or lump it this is whats going on next season as the new kit is in with the football league for the comming season plus anyone who wants to show there anger in the ground or around it vs the owners for the rebrand will be used as a new style of homebargains kitchen mop.

Where do we go from here, Ideas are welcome if there constructive.

So as big brother would say YOU DECIDE!!!!

It's the same question over and over again.
Answer = There isn't one.
Personally I will just be supporting the team.
Life's too short.

Yes i agree its about supporting the team most of all, but look what this has done to the fans devide like never before.

Good post. As you say let VT get Sam out of the way, see whether he does the equity swap bit. If he does he's in hook line and sinker. Yes he can sell the assets if he decided to try and get out but once he's committed then lets have the protests, if there are protests when we're in the premiership . Just suppert the players its not their choice which kit we're in but if fans decide to openly boo the team it will be their choice to walk away or worse still not give 100% for the club. We have to move on.

Good post. As you say let VT get Sam out of the way, see whether he does the equity swap bit. If he does he's in hook line and sinker. Yes he can sell the assets if he decided to try and get out but once he's committed then lets have the protests, if there are protests when we're in the premiership . Just suppert the players its not their choice which kit we're in but if fans decide to openly boo the team it will be their choice to walk away or worse still not give 100% for the club. We have to move on.

Debt to equity swap is whats on most fans minds more than anything thats for sure weather there classed as red/blue fans, thats the main factor i think is on most fans minds rite now. But when will this happen because as we stand sam wants the figure VT has said openly in the media is aside for langston so whats going on there??? nobody really knows wtf is going on there i guess.
We got fans who want blue back rite now and others who went to last nights KCB meeting scared of what might happen if the piecefull protests go ahead so we was always going to get a clash and i think it will only get worse as the season goes on weather thats in the stands or your local pubs i dont know, maybe just maybe this time next season VT will be thick in equity which i hope to god he is otherwise the whole of cardiff might be vs the owners.
On another point you mention, I can not see why fans would boo the players as you said as there just here doing a job and the truth is they would wear gimp outfits if they got payed more money thats football theres days but we have to support the team most of all because i can see it now tension in the stands will pour on to the pitch at this rate for sure and we all know what happens then.

I've said this before, but I'll say it again!

I believe that everybdoy wants Cardiff to stay in blue!

However, I know that it's not the be all and end all for all of us, but the club needs VT's investment as without it we'd have no chance of being competetive at Championship level, let alone pushing for the Prem and it would surely be a whole lot worse for us!

Whether the KCB camp's intentions are peaceful protest or not, IMO they are seen as being a risk to the future of our club, which is why tensions are so high atm!

And no, I'm not condoning any threats of volence, that are alleged to have taken place last night!

My own personal view, is that those who are totally against the rebranding should hold fast and allow the group being set up by the club to discuss future issues over the badge at least, to have their chance of trying to sway opinion from within the club!

We're going to be playing in red at home for the forthcoming season whether we like it or not, so I can't see any point in trying to push things too fast, at least at this stage!

The team are going to need our support over the next 46 games or so and I think we'd be better served with getting behind them and making some noise within the grounds, as opposed to making all the wrong noises outside of it!

Just to point out critics of the badge do not worry as in the recent survey they asked what fans want on the badge, what sort of dragon they'd like on there too, so this years badge is only a one year thing, also sure Karl was asked to show a badge(none that we have seen before but similar to the one he has shown us).

I've said this before, but I'll say it again!

I believe that everybdoy wants Cardiff to stay in blue!

However, I know that it's not the be all and end all for all of us, but the club needs VT's investment as without it we'd have no chance of being competetive at Championship level, let alone pushing for the Prem and it would surely be a whole lot worse for us!

Whether the KCB camp's intentions are peaceful protest or not, IMO they are seen as being a risk to the future of our club, which is why tensions are so high atm!

And no, I'm not condoning any threats of volence, that are alleged to have taken place last night!

My own personal view, is that those who are totally against the rebranding should hold fast and allow the group being set up by the club to discuss future issues over the badge at least, to have their chance of trying to sway opinion from within the club!

We're going to be playing in red at home for the forthcoming season whether we like it or not, so I can't see any point in trying to push things too fast, at least at this stage!

The team are going to need our support over the next 46 games or so and I think we'd be better served with getting behind them and making some noise within the grounds, as opposed to making all the wrong noises outside of it!

Some intresting points there keith even though i think your still a c*nt

I've said this before, but I'll say it again!

I believe that everybdoy wants Cardiff to stay in blue!

However, I know that it's not the be all and end all for all of us, but the club needs VT's investment as without it we'd have no chance of being competetive at Championship level, let alone pushing for the Prem and it would surely be a whole lot worse for us!

Whether the KCB camp's intentions are peaceful protest or not, IMO they are seen as being a risk to the future of our club, which is why tensions are so high atm!

And no, I'm not condoning any threats of volence, that are alleged to have taken place last night!

My own personal view, is that those who are totally against the rebranding should hold fast and allow the group being set up by the club to discuss future issues over the badge at least, to have their chance of trying to sway opinion from within the club!

We're going to be playing in red at home for the forthcoming season whether we like it or not, so I can't see any point in trying to push things too fast, at least at this stage!

The team are going to need our support over the next 46 games or so and I think we'd be better served with getting behind them and making some noise within the grounds, as opposed to making all the wrong noises outside of it!

If I had anything to do with KCB I would doing my hardest to get you on board.

I have sympathy with the KCB aims and even passively support them, but like everyone else I understand that stadium protests would be futile and divisive and the welfare of Cardiff City comes before anything else.

However, if the KCB could only bring themselves to think outside the box then they could still be very influential. They should take your advice and get involved with the group the club is setting up. They won't get the blue shirt overnight that is for sure but if they could influence a better badge with a prominent Bluebird then that would be a right coup which might lead to something bigger further down the line.

Just to point out critics of the badge do not worry as in the recent survey they asked what fans want on the badge, what sort of dragon they'd like on there too, so this years badge is only a one year thing, also sure Karl was asked to show a badge(none that we have seen before but similar to the one he has shown us).

I do not think its just about a badge here or any survey they have done as we all know the rebrand turnaround was off a survey so they say , If you think fans are all going to start sucking eachothers cocks and giving big hugs out to eachother because they might change the badge back then your well off whats going on rite now.

Just to point out critics of the badge do not worry as in the recent survey they asked what fans want on the badge, what sort of dragon they'd like on there too, so this years badge is only a one year thing, also sure Karl was asked to show a badge(none that we have seen before but similar to the one he has shown us).

I do not think its just about a badge here, If you think fans are all going to start sucking eachothers cocks because they might change the badge back then your well off whats going on rite now.

No BB'77 it isn't all about the badge, but the badge would be a good (& realistic) starting point and give KCB momentum if it achived a change.

Just to point out critics of the badge do not worry as in the recent survey they asked what fans want on the badge, what sort of dragon they'd like on there too, so this years badge is only a one year thing, also sure Karl was asked to show a badge(none that we have seen before but similar to the one he has shown us).

I do not think its just about a badge here, If you think fans are all going to start sucking eachothers cocks because they might change the badge back then your well off whats going on rite now.

No BB'77 it isn't all about the badge, but the badge would be a good (& realistic) starting point and give KCB momentum if it achived a change.

Exactly, it shows the club are preparing to listen to our views and try to fix the damage, it'll be a long time before this is properly sorted out but the fans survey is vital to them so they know how to move forward, to me the Blue kit is the most hardest thing to take in, the badge I understand it's our emblem but it's been changed numerous times, I just think the ones that go 'beermat badge' and that need to know it's only a one season thing.

Just to point out critics of the badge do not worry as in the recent survey they asked what fans want on the badge, what sort of dragon they'd like on there too, so this years badge is only a one year thing, also sure Karl was asked to show a badge(none that we have seen before but similar to the one he has shown us).

I do not think its just about a badge here, If you think fans are all going to start sucking eachothers cocks because they might change the badge back then your well off whats going on rite now.

No BB'77 it isn't all about the badge, but the badge would be a good (& realistic) starting point and give KCB momentum if it achived a change.

I agree tony maybe it would be a start but i doubt anything will kick in to force full swing untill VT had changed his debt to equity as the club was not willing to listen to fans before the big stink come about the rebrand so why would they listen to us now weather it be KCB or the trust or any other formed group wanting blue/badge back.
I mean even the meetings we have had directors just saying he does not know answers to questions as its VT vision.
Two weeks time the stadium outside the ground will have all the old badges changed to the new one and red sheeting instead of blue and im sure the seats will be changed to red come next season otherwise its going to look stupid really with blue seats and red everywhere else including the new giant badge logo around the ground with shirts running about in red on the pitch.
Such a drastic change will not be changed back that easy i know even with a massive group vs it all that the club might listen to or say they will listen to.

Just to point out critics of the badge do not worry as in the recent survey they asked what fans want on the badge, what sort of dragon they'd like on there too, so this years badge is only a one year thing, also sure Karl was asked to show a badge(none that we have seen before but similar to the one he has shown us).

I do not think its just about a badge here, If you think fans are all going to start sucking eachothers cocks because they might change the badge back then your well off whats going on rite now.

No BB'77 it isn't all about the badge, but the badge would be a good (& realistic) starting point and give KCB momentum if it achived a change.

I agree tony maybe it would be a start but i doubt anything will kick in to force full swing untill VT had changed his debt to equity as the club was not willing to listen to fans before the big stink come about the rebrand so why would they listen to us now weather it be KCB or the trust or any other formed group wanting blue/badge back.
I mean even the meetings we have had directors just saying he does not know answers to questions as its VT vision.
Two weeks time the stadium outside the ground will have all the old badges changed to the new one and red sheeting instead of blue and im sure the seats will be changed to red come next season otherwise its going to look stupid really with blue seats and red everywhere else including the new giant badge logo around the ground with shirts running about in red on the pitch.
Such a drastic change will not be changed back that easy i know even with a massive group vs it all that the club might listen to or say they will listen to.

You make some good points BB'77 but as they say if you don't buy a ticket you definatley can't win the lottery. I think confrontation will doom us, but reasoned arguement over admittedly a long period of time might eventually pay dividends

Just to point out critics of the badge do not worry as in the recent survey they asked what fans want on the badge, what sort of dragon they'd like on there too, so this years badge is only a one year thing, also sure Karl was asked to show a badge(none that we have seen before but similar to the one he has shown us).

I do not think its just about a badge here, If you think fans are all going to start sucking eachothers cocks because they might change the badge back then your well off whats going on rite now.

No BB'77 it isn't all about the badge, but the badge would be a good (& realistic) starting point and give KCB momentum if it achived a change.

I agree tony maybe it would be a start but i doubt anything will kick in to force full swing untill VT had changed his debt to equity as the club was not willing to listen to fans before the big stink come about the rebrand so why would they listen to us now weather it be KCB or the trust or any other formed group wanting blue/badge back.
I mean even the meetings we have had directors just saying he does not know answers to questions as its VT vision.
Two weeks time the stadium outside the ground will have all the old badges changed to the new one and red sheeting instead of blue and im sure the seats will be changed to red come next season otherwise its going to look stupid really with blue seats and red everywhere else including the new giant badge logo around the ground with shirts running about in red on the pitch.
Such a drastic change will not be changed back that easy i know even with a massive group vs it all that the club might listen to or say they will listen to.

You make some good points BB'77 but as they say if you don't buy a ticket you definatley can't win the lottery. I think confrontation will doom us, but reasoned arguement over admittedly a long period of time might eventually pay dividends

We can buy as many tickets as we want as fans tony but theres only one winner here with the winning ticket and thats the owners rite now to whats gone on.
While they are keeping the club going fans will have to go along with it but once this debt to equity is sort if it does get sorted that is then things will change among fans feelings im sure as it can not get any worse. If it does not get sorted as promised soon or during the end of the comming season i can feel a f*cking massive backlash incomming for the club with everyone united as one voice thats for sure.
what then as it would be no diffrent of a situation as we stand rite now but only both sides of the arguement onboard for one thing, Its funny because we got KCB trying to get what we once was back and others saying no no no its not happening or you face being the enemy so to speak yet in 10months time we may see everyone together. Only at cardiff city folks
Only time will tell.

No its not jeremy kyle. Lets take tans money - If he converts the debt to equity of course as promised once sams is payed (not that i can see this happening yet), atleast we would have more of a chance of the club listening to fans/KCB views then once there balls deep in equity that way fans do not have the fear of what it could bring which is why this clash happened last night due to some thinking VT could go if KCB go ahead with piecefull protests.
What other options have we got rite now because as we stand we are playing in red next season with a to-bit badge off a chinese menu that got dropped through my front letterbox.
As a fan we have to like it or lump it this is whats going on next season as the new kit is in with the football league for the comming season plus anyone who wants to show there anger in the ground or around it vs the owners for the rebrand will be used as a new style of homebargains kitchen mop.

Where do we go from here, Ideas are welcome if there constructive.

So as big brother would say YOU DECIDE!!!!

So you are suggesting that we allow the Malaysians to get in "balls deep" and we can then protest against them when we think it is safe to do so? I think that we are far better off being upfront with them and protesting now. To protest against them at a later date once they have fully committed to us is a shameful act and would surely piss them off far more than any protests being contenplated at present.

I've said this before, but I'll say it again!

I believe that everybdoy wants Cardiff to stay in blue!

However, I know that it's not the be all and end all for all of us, but the club needs VT's investment as without it we'd have no chance of being competetive at Championship level, let alone pushing for the Prem and it would surely be a whole lot worse for us!

Whether the KCB camp's intentions are peaceful protest or not, IMO they are seen as being a risk to the future of our club, which is why tensions are so high atm!

And no, I'm not condoning any threats of volence, that are alleged to have taken place last night!

My own personal view, is that those who are totally against the rebranding should hold fast and allow the group being set up by the club to discuss future issues over the badge at least, to have their chance of trying to sway opinion from within the club!

We're going to be playing in red at home for the forthcoming season whether we like it or not, so I can't see any point in trying to push things too fast, at least at this stage!

The team are going to need our support over the next 46 games or so and I think we'd be better served with getting behind them and making some noise within the grounds, as opposed to making all the wrong noises outside of it!

Some intresting points there keith even though i think your still a c*nt

Well, well, well, you've shocked and stunned me now Tuggs, as I've always thought highly of you!

No its not jeremy kyle. Lets take tans money - If he converts the debt to equity of course as promised once sams is payed (not that i can see this happening yet), atleast we would have more of a chance of the club listening to fans/KCB views then once there balls deep in equity that way fans do not have the fear of what it could bring which is why this clash happened last night due to some thinking VT could go if KCB go ahead with piecefull protests.
What other options have we got rite now because as we stand we are playing in red next season with a to-bit badge off a chinese menu that got dropped through my front letterbox.
As a fan we have to like it or lump it this is whats going on next season as the new kit is in with the football league for the comming season plus anyone who wants to show there anger in the ground or around it vs the owners for the rebrand will be used as a new style of homebargains kitchen mop.

Where do we go from here, Ideas are welcome if there constructive.

So as big brother would say YOU DECIDE!!!!

So you are suggesting that we allow the Malaysians to get in "balls deep" and we can then protest against them when we think it is safe to do so? I think that we are far better off being upfront with them and protesting now. To protest against them at a later date once they have fully committed to us is a shameful act and would surely piss them off far more than any protests being contenplated at present.

Why not let them get balls deep its been said by others thats when the whole of the fan base can come together then have there say IF THEY DO NOT CONVERT DEBT TO EQUITY & BLUE/BADGE which is what this is all about along with the clash between fans like lastnight at the meeting.
Rite now we got KCB wanting blue which i believe in myself but on the other hand you got others who are against anything KCB do regarding protests in many forms which we all know about from club shop boycott to other methods.
Then theres the others who attended the meeting lastnight why because there afraid of what may happen for there own reasons eg/ they could walk away as there saying, it does not mean i believe they will walk away.
My personal view is i couldnt give a f**k if they did and we got relegated three leagues after whats been done & said the last few months but most of all its the anger/divide between fans which could of been avoided by the club.
My point is wouldnt we all have a stronger case to protest are bit once we got the owners IN TO THE CLUB as sole owners , then they will have to listen to any sort of group because they can not just ignore 1000s outside the ground then or any survey or other cock & bullshit story online because its all there club then with everyone weather they are vs or against it now, they would all be the same voice then of course all this depends on what happens over the next few months, Its not as if we got investors at the door rite now and theres f**k all to strip in assets with a team of freebies mostly as we stand so unless the owners get a squad for the prem we will still be in the same boat in 12months time THEN WHAT.
More of the same things have to get better in everyway as a club /fans otherwise its going to go pop sooner or later with or without protests or any inhouse fighting among fans thats for sure.

good thread

good thread

Both sides of the fence is all we can look at now otherwise we dont have anything else to look forward to as things can not get any f*cking worse

Well, well, well, you've shocked and stunned me now Tuggs, as I've always thought highly of you!

Do not get used to it keith your time will come over the season im sure

No its not jeremy kyle. Lets take tans money - If he converts the debt to equity of course as promised once sams is payed (not that i can see this happening yet), atleast we would have more of a chance of the club listening to fans/KCB views then once there balls deep in equity that way fans do not have the fear of what it could bring which is why this clash happened last night due to some thinking VT could go if KCB go ahead with piecefull protests.
What other options have we got rite now because as we stand we are playing in red next season with a to-bit badge off a chinese menu that got dropped through my front letterbox.
As a fan we have to like it or lump it this is whats going on next season as the new kit is in with the football league for the comming season plus anyone who wants to show there anger in the ground or around it vs the owners for the rebrand will be used as a new style of homebargains kitchen mop.

Where do we go from here, Ideas are welcome if there constructive.

So as big brother would say YOU DECIDE!!!!

So you are suggesting that we allow the Malaysians to get in "balls deep" and we can then protest against them when we think it is safe to do so? I think that we are far better off being upfront with them and protesting now. To protest against them at a later date once they have fully committed to us is a shameful act and would surely piss them off far more than any protests being contenplated at present.

Why not let them get balls deep its been said by others thats when the whole of the fan base can come together then have there say IF THEY DO NOT CONVERT DEBT TO EQUITY & BLUE/BADGE which is what this is all about along with the clash between fans like lastnight at the meeting.
Rite now we got KCB wanting blue which i believe in myself but on the other hand you got others who are against anything KCB do regarding protests in many forms which we all know about from club shop boycott to other methods.
Then theres the others who attended the meeting lastnight why because there afraid of what may happen for there own reasons eg/ they could walk away as there saying, it does not mean i believe they will walk away.
My personal view is i couldnt give a f**k if they did and we got relegated three leagues after whats been done & said the last few months but most of all its the anger/divide between fans which could of been avoided by the club.
My point is wouldnt we all have a stronger case to protest are bit once we got the owners IN TO THE CLUB as sole owners , then they will have to listen to any sort of group because they can not just ignore 1000s outside the ground then or any survey or other cock & bullshit story online because its all there club then with everyone weather they are vs or against it now, they would all be the same voice then of course all this depends on what happens over the next few months, Its not as if we got investors at the door rite now and theres f**k all to strip in assets with a team of freebies mostly as we stand so unless the owners get a squad for the prem we will still be in the same boat in 12months time THEN WHAT.
More of the same things have to get better in everyway as a club /fans otherwise its going to go pop sooner or later with or without protests or any inhouse fighting among fans thats for sure.

I don't agree. Waiting for the Malaysians to own the club 100% will only strengthen their position and make it less likely that they will listen.
Welcoming our owners in to invest only to highkack them at a later date is the most foolish suggestion yet. I would rather hold our heads high and be upfront with the Malaysians now rather than using premeditated underhand tactics at a later date.

Well, well, well, you've shocked and stunned me now Tuggs, as I've always thought highly of you!

Do not get used to it keith your time will come over the season im sure

Looking forward to it!

No its not jeremy kyle. Lets take tans money - If he converts the debt to equity of course as promised once sams is payed (not that i can see this happening yet), atleast we would have more of a chance of the club listening to fans/KCB views then once there balls deep in equity that way fans do not have the fear of what it could bring which is why this clash happened last night due to some thinking VT could go if KCB go ahead with piecefull protests.
What other options have we got rite now because as we stand we are playing in red next season with a to-bit badge off a chinese menu that got dropped through my front letterbox.
As a fan we have to like it or lump it this is whats going on next season as the new kit is in with the football league for the comming season plus anyone who wants to show there anger in the ground or around it vs the owners for the rebrand will be used as a new style of homebargains kitchen mop.

Where do we go from here, Ideas are welcome if there constructive.

So as big brother would say YOU DECIDE!!!!

So you are suggesting that we allow the Malaysians to get in "balls deep" and we can then protest against them when we think it is safe to do so? I think that we are far better off being upfront with them and protesting now. To protest against them at a later date once they have fully committed to us is a shameful act and would surely piss them off far more than any protests being contenplated at present.

Why not let them get balls deep its been said by others thats when the whole of the fan base can come together then have there say IF THEY DO NOT CONVERT DEBT TO EQUITY & BLUE/BADGE which is what this is all about along with the clash between fans like lastnight at the meeting.
Rite now we got KCB wanting blue which i believe in myself but on the other hand you got others who are against anything KCB do regarding protests in many forms which we all know about from club shop boycott to other methods.
Then theres the others who attended the meeting lastnight why because there afraid of what may happen for there own reasons eg/ they could walk away as there saying, it does not mean i believe they will walk away.
My personal view is i couldnt give a f**k if they did and we got relegated three leagues after whats been done & said the last few months but most of all its the anger/divide between fans which could of been avoided by the club.
My point is wouldnt we all have a stronger case to protest are bit once we got the owners IN TO THE CLUB as sole owners , then they will have to listen to any sort of group because they can not just ignore 1000s outside the ground then or any survey or other cock & bullshit story online because its all there club then with everyone weather they are vs or against it now, they would all be the same voice then of course all this depends on what happens over the next few months, Its not as if we got investors at the door rite now and theres f**k all to strip in assets with a team of freebies mostly as we stand so unless the owners get a squad for the prem we will still be in the same boat in 12months time THEN WHAT.
More of the same things have to get better in everyway as a club /fans otherwise its going to go pop sooner or later with or without protests or any inhouse fighting among fans thats for sure.

I don't agree. Waiting for the Malaysians to own the club 100% will only strengthen their position and make it less likely that they will listen.
Welcoming our owners in to invest only to highkack them at a later date is the most foolish suggestion yet. I would rather hold our heads high and be upfront with the Malaysians now rather than using premeditated underhand tactics at a later date.

Well they either have to listen now from KCB which will get bigger as the season goes on i dont doubt that or they will have to listen when there debt gets turned to equity my point is what went on the other night shows some fans(aka some hard men) as we was told do not want KCB doing anything piecefull protest wise NOW as it might get on to the players and if they do then there the enemy as it was said, the options are.
1. KCB either go with what they was doing anyway and face whatever comes in the form of what the malaysians might do and face the wrath of these people vs what KCB are doing.
2. Everyone, thats all fans along with KCB (even the men who eat nails for a living) wait untill this debt gets turned in to equity if that ever happens then come together with a stronger case maybe.
3. If the debts not turned in to equity come this time next season then i can see EVERYBODY turning on the owners eitherway as they have had time by then for all to judge on there promises.

Another point you mention is you call these ideas "FOOLISH" but this who rebrand was foolish to start in every way with lets be fair and what ive put are our options im guessing to move forward, You also say lets be upfront with them but they wouldnt listen to fans before whats the diffrence now.

Well, well, well, you've shocked and stunned me now Tuggs, as I've always thought highly of you!

Do not get used to it keith your time will come over the season im sure

Looking forward to it!

You will never agree with me kieth even over the many threads i will put out over the season,

good thread

Both sides of the fence is all we can look at now otherwise we dont have anything else to look forward to as things can not get any f*cking worse

Yes they could, the re-branding could go horribly wrong and we could end up in big big financial trouble.

good thread

Both sides of the fence is all we can look at now otherwise we dont have anything else to look forward to as things can not get any f*cking worse

Yes they could, the re-branding could go horribly wrong and we could end up in big big financial trouble.

We are already in a financial mess in two years we have added another 50million to the debt where you been hence whats said in this thread about debt to equity, The rebrand is already on are doorstep i doubt anything will change to whats going on either as theres more to come over the next 2weeks of this rebrand.