Is Tan really a business messiah ?

I have read many posts recently in relation to fans thinking VT can do no wrong. The Berjaya Group recently lost its bid for a betting license from the Malaysian government and its shares plummeted by almost a quarter as a result. See link. http://www.forbes.com/profile/vincent-tan/


March 2012


Self-made entrepreneur runs conglomerate Berjaya Group, but fortune sank by almost a quarter over the past year as shares stumbled. Owns social networking website Friendster.com and bought shares of Facebook through his Internet company, MOL.com. Failed to get a sports betting license from the government. Hates golf but loves scuba diving and working out at the gym.

According to the article, Tan has 11 children so if he ever gets divorced and the Malaysian version of the CSA get their hooks into him then our investment will be screwed.

no offence mate but this guy is a billionaire. that happens due to hard work. every business man takes gambles which sometime dont work.

People questioning a business man who is in the top 8 of forbes richest men in Malaysia.....

he didnt grease the palm of the government enough, i will put my house on it he gets the license before the betting becomes legal.

I have read many posts recently in relation to fans thinking VT can do no wrong. The Berjaya Group recently lost its bid for a betting license from the Malaysian government and its shares plummeted by almost a quarter as a result. See link. http://www.forbes.com/profile/vincent-tan/


March 2012


Self-made entrepreneur runs conglomerate Berjaya Group, but fortune sank by almost a quarter over the past year as shares stumbled. Owns social networking website Friendster.com and bought shares of Facebook through his Internet company, MOL.com. Failed to get a sports betting license from the government. Hates golf but loves scuba diving and working out at the gym.

No hes an aweful businessman who luckily must have won millions on a scrathcard win

I have read many posts recently in relation to fans thinking VT can do no wrong. The Berjaya Group recently lost its bid for a betting license from the Malaysian government and its shares plummeted by almost a quarter as a result. See link. http://www.forbes.com/profile/vincent-tan/


March 2012


Self-made entrepreneur runs conglomerate Berjaya Group, but fortune sank by almost a quarter over the past year as shares stumbled. Owns social networking website Friendster.com and bought shares of Facebook through his Internet company, MOL.com. Failed to get a sports betting license from the government. Hates golf but loves scuba diving and working out at the gym.

He was set to get a betting licence days after our play-off loss to Blackpool.

However, do to protests by the Muslim majority in Malaysia his betting licence was revoked. He is due to get it back next year providing the ruling UMNO party are reelected in the May 2013 General Election.

I have read many posts recently in relation to fans thinking VT can do no wrong. The Berjaya Group recently lost its bid for a betting license from the Malaysian government and its shares plummeted by almost a quarter as a result. See link. http://www.forbes.com/profile/vincent-tan/


March 2012


Self-made entrepreneur runs conglomerate Berjaya Group, but fortune sank by almost a quarter over the past year as shares stumbled. Owns social networking website Friendster.com and bought shares of Facebook through his Internet company, MOL.com. Failed to get a sports betting license from the government. Hates golf but loves scuba diving and working out at the gym.

No hes an aweful businessman who luckily must have won millions on a scrathcard win

Thanks for the sarcasm. I do not profess to know a lot about big business but when nearly a quarter is wiped off the share value of your company then it is obvious that the markets have judged your company to be vunerable to whatever has caused the drop.
The drop is perhaps not just down to the loss of the betting license but it could be a stock market reaction in relation to the unveiling of the new Cardiff shirt and badge

I have read many posts recently in relation to fans thinking VT can do no wrong. The Berjaya Group recently lost its bid for a betting license from the Malaysian government and its shares plummeted by almost a quarter as a result. See link. http://www.forbes.com/profile/vincent-tan/


March 2012


Self-made entrepreneur runs conglomerate Berjaya Group, but fortune sank by almost a quarter over the past year as shares stumbled. Owns social networking website Friendster.com and bought shares of Facebook through his Internet company, MOL.com. Failed to get a sports betting license from the government. Hates golf but loves scuba diving and working out at the gym.

He was set to get a betting licence days after our play-off loss to Blackpool.

However, do to protests by the Muslim majority in Malaysia his betting licence was revoked. He is due to get it back next year providing the ruling UMNO party are reelected in the May 2013 General Election.

Yes you are right Tony. A quarter off the value of your company just shows that the Berjaya group although large, is still vunerable.

People questioning a business man who is in the top 8 of forbes richest men in Malaysia.....



I too don't see why this has made sticky section?

I will question his football decisions all day long as he hasnt got a clue in that respect but questioning a billionaires business credentials?

im sure shares go up and down quite alot in the business world

People questioning a business man who is in the top 8 of forbes richest men in Malaysia.....



I too don't see why this has made sticky section?

I will question his football decisions all day long as he hasnt got a clue in that respect but questioning a billionaires business credentials?

I think that the credentials of any businessman would be questioned if nearly a quarter of the value of his company had been lost.The Asian markets are the ones driving the share price and who are asking questions of the Beraja Group.The share price does not lie.

Has he managed to run a big, successful business in either a democratic country, or a country not under the influence of China?

People questioning a business man who is in the top 8 of forbes richest men in Malaysia.....



I too don't see why this has made sticky section?

I didn't see why it was a sticky either but bizarrely my comment has been removed, for what reason I don't know!!!

Because you were probably sniping at Annis again you bible bashing bully.

I have read many posts recently in relation to fans thinking VT can do no wrong. The Berjaya Group recently lost its bid for a betting license from the Malaysian government and its shares plummeted by almost a quarter as a result. See link. http://www.forbes.com/profile/vincent-tan/


March 2012


Self-made entrepreneur runs conglomerate Berjaya Group, but fortune sank by almost a quarter over the past year as shares stumbled. Owns social networking website Friendster.com and bought shares of Facebook through his Internet company, MOL.com. Failed to get a sports betting license from the government. Hates golf but loves scuba diving and working out at the gym.

He was set to get a betting licence days after our play-off loss to Blackpool.

However, do to protests by the Muslim majority in Malaysia his betting licence was revoked. He is due to get it back next year providing the ruling UMNO party are reelected in the May 2013 General Election.

Tony, some more on the license. http://www-random.malaysiakini.com/news/134009

People questioning a business man who is in the top 8 of forbes richest men in Malaysia.....



I too don't see why this has made sticky section?

I didn't see why it was a sticky either but bizarrely my comment has been removed, for what reason I don't know!!!

Because you were probably sniping at Annis again you bible bashing bully.

I simply said I don't understand why this topic had been made a sticky... no more, no less.

People questioning a business man who is in the top 8 of forbes richest men in Malaysia.....



I too don't see why this has made sticky section?

I didn't see why it was a sticky either but bizarrely my comment has been removed, for what reason I don't know!!!

Because you were probably sniping at Annis again you bible bashing bully.

and what is sniping???? from what I understand it would be doing it from behind someone's back, if I have a different view I put it straight out in the open and am direct. I've messaged Annis privately about that and I doubt he would be bullied by many if any

People questioning a business man who is in the top 8 of forbes richest men in Malaysia.....



I too don't see why this has made sticky section?

I didn't see why it was a sticky either but bizarrely my comment has been removed, for what reason I don't know!!!

Because you were probably sniping at Annis again you bible bashing bully.

and what is sniping???? from what I understand it would be doing it from behind someone's back, if I have a different view I put it straight out in the open and am direct. I've messaged Annis privately about that and I doubt he would be bullied by many if any

Youve devoted your live on this messageboard to chip, chip, chipping away at him for god sake.

Funnily enough I find Annis is open and direct yet because his viewpoint isnt one you share you are chipping away at him??

Double standards dont you think? Lord?

People questioning a business man who is in the top 8 of forbes richest men in Malaysia.....



I too don't see why this has made sticky section?

I didn't see why it was a sticky either but bizarrely my comment has been removed, for what reason I don't know!!!

Because you were probably sniping at Annis again you bible bashing bully.

and what is sniping???? from what I understand it would be doing it from behind someone's back, if I have a different view I put it straight out in the open and am direct. I've messaged Annis privately about that and I doubt he would be bullied by many if any

Youve devoted your live on this messageboard to chip, chip, chipping away at him for god sake.

Funnily enough I find Annis is open and direct yet because his viewpoint isnt one you share you are chipping away at him??

Double standards dont you think? Lord?

Look, I got it wrong, I got frustrated at all the anti VT & TG and Pro-blue (or whatever you want to call it) propoganda that was constantly being pumped. I wanted the other side of the argument to be given as much of an audience as the one above was (which is where my faith came in; equality and standing up for things and the 'other' side etc.) now perhaps where I went a bit astray is the way in which I did it which I can hold my hands up too and try and tackle differently next time. I saw it more as fighting for an alternative view rather than bullying.

Me and Annis have had long telephone discussions about things in the past and have talked about some of the things we've discussed previously on here. I've not devoted my life to chip chip chipping away and have made plenty of other contributions, some along the similar lines as Annis and others not. I just like to consider all alternatives rather than having one view constantly push push pushed. When we've talked we've both seen where each other has been coming from and both can appreciate the other's view point, perhaps a message board isn't always the best medium by which to have these discussion either?!?!

People questioning a business man who is in the top 8 of forbes richest men in Malaysia.....



I too don't see why this has made sticky section?

I didn't see why it was a sticky either but bizarrely my comment has been removed, for what reason I don't know!!!

Because you were probably sniping at Annis again you bible bashing bully.

and what is sniping???? from what I understand it would be doing it from behind someone's back, if I have a different view I put it straight out in the open and am direct. I've messaged Annis privately about that and I doubt he would be bullied by many if any

Youve devoted your live on this messageboard to chip, chip, chipping away at him for god sake.

Funnily enough I find Annis is open and direct yet because his viewpoint isnt one you share you are chipping away at him??

Double standards dont you think? Lord?

Look, I got it wrong, I got frustrated at all the anti VT & TG and Pro-blue (or whatever you want to call it) propoganda that was constantly being pumped. I wanted the other side of the argument to be given as much of an audience as the one above was (which is where my faith came in; equality and standing up for things and the 'other' side etc.) now perhaps where I went a bit astray is the way in which I did it which I can hold my hands up too and try and tackle differently next time. I saw it more as fighting for an alternative view rather than bullying.

Me and Annis have had long telephone discussions about things in the past and have talked about some of the things we've discussed previously on here. I've not devoted my life to chip chip chipping away and have made plenty of other contributions, some along the similar lines as Annis and others not. I just like to consider all alternatives rather than having one view constantly push push pushed. When we've talked we've both seen where each other has been coming from and both can appreciate the other's view point, perhaps a message board isn't always the best medium by which to have these discussion either?!?!

I hope this does not mean that the red side are cracking under the strain.

The way I see it, its Annis board he can promote, stick and delete what he likes.

Its not an official board of the club so why should he promote red in the interest of fairness? Especially when he cannot stand the idea.

Does Natman promote Pro Aethiest / Anti christ articles on his Christianity blog in the Interest of fairness?

I dont think so.

[quote="CP76"]The way I see it, its Annis board he can promote, stick and delete what he likes.

Its not an official board of the club so why should he promote red in the interest of fairness? Especially when he cannot stand the idea.

Does Natman promote Pro Aethiest / Anti christ articles on his Christianity blog in the Interest of fairness?

I dont think so.[/quote

A blog is for expressing a person's view or thoughts on a subject. So if Annis has a blog then fair play. However on my board, then yes I would welcome those kinds of posts, the way I see it is there should be balanced debate so how can I edit, block or delete other people's posts just because they don't agree with mine???

The way I see it, its Annis board he can promote, stick and delete what he likes.

Its not an official board of the club so why should he promote red in the interest of fairness? Especially when he cannot stand the idea.

Does Natman promote Pro Aethiest / Anti christ articles on his Christianity blog in the Interest of fairness?

I dont think so.[/quote

A blog is for expressing a person's view or thoughts on a subject. So if Annis has a blog then fair play. However on my board, then yes I would welcome those kinds of posts, the way I see it is there should be balanced debate so how can I edit, block or delete other people's posts just because they don't agree with mine???

There are plenty of pro red posts on here. You are getting your frillies in a twist because they are not made "stickys".

Get over it ffs.

The way I see it, its Annis board he can promote, stick and delete what he likes.

Its not an official board of the club so why should he promote red in the interest of fairness? Especially when he cannot stand the idea.

Does Natman promote Pro Aethiest / Anti christ articles on his Christianity blog in the Interest of fairness?

I dont think so.[/quote

A blog is for expressing a person's view or thoughts on a subject. So if Annis has a blog then fair play. However on my board, then yes I would welcome those kinds of posts, the way I see it is there should be balanced debate so how can I edit, block or delete other people's posts just because they don't agree with mine???

There are plenty of pro red posts on here. You are getting your frillies in a twist because they are not made "stickys".

Get over it ffs.

Crikey... i was just responding to your posts lol