I wonder do people realise, this is temporary?

To explain, we are never going to stay in this new colour. Whether it's a year or five years, Cardiff will be back in blue shirts with the proper badge in place. I think we should take the temporary situation with the CURRENT owners, ultimately they have a year to prove their telling the truth? If this time next year we're no better off and we're actually worse off, no one will tolerate the crap that's going on at the moment?
Am I wrong thinking this way?

To explain, we are never going to stay in this new colour. Whether it's a year or five years, Cardiff will be back in blue shirts with the proper badge in place. I think we should take the temporary situation with the CURRENT owners, ultimately they have a year to prove their telling the truth? If this time next year we're no better off and we're actually worse off, no one will tolerate the crap that's going on at the moment?
Am I wrong thinking this way?

There are plans to expland the stadium, which I imagine will be red seats! It's when the stadium turns red that worries me, when that happens there will be no going back!

To explain, we are never going to stay in this new colour. Whether it's a year or five years, Cardiff will be back in blue shirts with the proper badge in place. I think we should take the temporary situation with the CURRENT owners, ultimately they have a year to prove their telling the truth? If this time next year we're no better off and we're actually worse off, no one will tolerate the crap that's going on at the moment?
Am I wrong thinking this way?

There are plans to expland the stadium, which I imagine will be red seats! It's when the stadium turns red that worries me, when that happens there will be no going back!

Ask Gwyn, it was him who told me that all the seats were being torn out eventually and changed to Red on Tans orders, True Gwyn ?

To explain, we are never going to stay in this new colour. Whether it's a year or five years, Cardiff will be back in blue shirts with the proper badge in place. I think we should take the temporary situation with the CURRENT owners, ultimately they have a year to prove their telling the truth? If this time next year we're no better off and we're actually worse off, no one will tolerate the crap that's going on at the moment?
Am I wrong thinking this way?

There are plans to expland the stadium, which I imagine will be red seats! It's when the stadium turns red that worries me, when that happens there will be no going back!

Ask Gwyn, it was him who told me that all the seats were being torn out eventually and changed to Red on Tans orders, True Gwyn ?

Know feck all about marketing but one thing I do know is that once you make the decision to change, it has to be changed everywhere! Shirt, badge, website, tickets, seats, front of house, letters, e mails, merchandise everything!!!

To explain, we are never going to stay in this new colour. Whether it's a year or five years, Cardiff will be back in blue shirts with the proper badge in place. I think we should take the temporary situation with the CURRENT owners, ultimately they have a year to prove their telling the truth? If this time next year we're no better off and we're actually worse off, no one will tolerate the crap that's going on at the moment?
Am I wrong thinking this way?

There are plans to expland the stadium, which I imagine will be red seats! It's when the stadium turns red that worries me, when that happens there will be no going back!

Ask Gwyn, it was him who told me that all the seats were being torn out eventually and changed to Red on Tans orders, True Gwyn ?

Know feck all about marketing but one thing I do know is that once you make the decision to change, it has to be changed everywhere! Shirt, badge, website, tickets, seats, front of house, letters, e mails, merchandise everything!!!

The new seats that are supposed to be put in next May/June, 8,000 of them, no one can tell me that they will be Blue, if our new colours are Red ?

It will look shit with nearly 27000 blue seats and 8000 red seats, i have heard it will cost around £700,000 to change all the seats red, money that could certainly be used for higher priority financial requirements in my opinion.

It will look shit with nearly 27000 blue seats and 8000 red seats, i have heard it will cost around £700,000 to change all the seats red, money that could certainly be used for higher priority financial requirements in my opinion.

Very well said. You could of easily of said new players!! Not always a priority in my opinion.

I think people are missing my point. The current owners will move on, does anyone honestly think that whoever takes on our club will ultimately change everything back to the PROPER colours. We are not staying red, it is a temporary arrangement to pander to the current owners......
I'm amazed that we're all getting upset over something that will not ever, ever, ever last.

If you tolerate this then your children will be next

I think people are missing my point. The current owners will move on, does anyone honestly think that whoever takes on our club will ultimately change everything back to the PROPER colours. We are not staying red, it is a temporary arrangement to pander to the current owners......
I'm amazed that we're all getting upset over something that will not ever, ever, ever last.

But when the current owners move on, how far down the road will we be? Will our whole stadium be red? As I said, it's the stadium that worries me, if the whole of our stadium goes red, the next owners (probably Chinese business men, that's the only logical reason for us switching to red) will not give us 700k to turn us back to blue, unless our next owners are genuine Cardiff people which is highly unlikely.

Seriously people, lets use the current owners and get to the premiership. Despite the guys and gals that think we'd be happy in league1 and below (which we won't ), the Malaysians are not in it for the long haul.

700k to get rid of red seats will not be an issue, there's no way the next new owners will not change everything back the way it should end will eventually will be.

Honestly does anyone seriously believe that the red shirts are permanent? They will end up being an interesting footnote in the history of our great club, someone will write a book and we'll all buy it and move on....

It will look shit with nearly 27000 blue seats and 8000 red seats, i have heard it will cost around £700,000 to change all the seats red, money that could certainly be used for higher priority financial requirements in my opinion.

You forgot about the few hundred white seats that are scattered around the stadium, especially those that spell out Cardiff in the Ninian Stand!

We'll then have a Red, White and Blue stadium, which should really p!$$ off Blazing Saddles!

would a new owner tear up all the red seating should it be done?

im assuming the outside will change too

Seriously people, lets use the current owners and get to the premiership. Despite the guys and gals that think we'd be happy in league1 and below (which we won't ), the Malaysians are not in it for the long haul.

700k to get rid of red seats will not be an issue, there's no way the next new owners will not change everything back the way it should end will eventually will be.

Honestly does anyone seriously believe that the red shirts are permanent? They will end up being an interesting footnote in the history of our great club, someone will write a book and we'll all buy it and move on....

I think the Malaysian's are in it for the long haul sadly. Why have they bothered setting up academy's in Malaysia? Why are they planning new training facilities, stadium expansion etc? They wouldn't be making these plans if their goal was to only get us to the Premiership and then sell. They wouldn't make enough of the profit. I think they will take out loans to pay for the new training facilities and stadium expansion, then use these assets, plus Premiership football to try and sell us to a Chinese company in the future. The Chinese are mad on red and I honestly believe this is the main reason we are being rebranded. We will be too far down the road to go back to the way we was by the time the Malaysians sell up and the worrying situation is we either get a bit of success and the Malaysian's sell us on for a profit and we continue in red, or if we fail to reach the Premiership the Malaysian's will cut their losses and leave us, with the new owner having to pay back this 100 million "investment" plus the 7% interest on top of this!

Seriously people, lets use the current owners and get to the premiership. Despite the guys and gals that think we'd be happy in league1 and below (which we won't ), the Malaysians are not in it for the long haul.

700k to get rid of red seats will not be an issue, there's no way the next new owners will not change everything back the way it should end will eventually will be.

Honestly does anyone seriously believe that the red shirts are permanent? They will end up being an interesting footnote in the history of our great club, someone will write a book and we'll all buy it and move on....

I think the Malaysian's are in it for the long haul sadly. Why have they bothered setting up academy's in Malaysia? Why are they planning new training facilities, stadium expansion etc? They wouldn't be making these plans if their goal was to only get us to the Premiership and then sell. They wouldn't make enough of the profit. I think they will take out loans to pay for the new training facilities and stadium expansion, then use these assets, plus Premiership football to try and sell us to a Chinese company in the future. The Chinese are mad on red and I honestly believe this is the main reason we are being rebranded. We will be too far down the road to go back to the way we was by the time the Malaysians sell up and the worrying situation is we either get a bit of success and the Malaysian's sell us on for a profit and we continue in red, or if we fail to reach the Premiership the Malaysian's will cut their losses and leave us, with the new owner having to pay back this 100 million "investment" plus the 7% interest on top of this!

That's fair comment but surely the next people to buy Cardiff City FC are going to make themselves heroes by reverting back to blue, it's the obvious thing to do. When the original objections to red were made the Malaysians were spitting out the dummy and leaving us in the lurch anyway.

To labour a point lets see where we are in twelve months time, if the first team hasn't been strengthened significantly beyond what we see today, then they are chancers.

Seriously people, lets use the current owners and get to the premiership. Despite the guys and gals that think we'd be happy in league1 and below (which we won't ), the Malaysians are not in it for the long haul.

700k to get rid of red seats will not be an issue, there's no way the next new owners will not change everything back the way it should end will eventually will be.

Honestly does anyone seriously believe that the red shirts are permanent? They will end up being an interesting footnote in the history of our great club, someone will write a book and we'll all buy it and move on....

I think the Malaysian's are in it for the long haul sadly. Why have they bothered setting up academy's in Malaysia? Why are they planning new training facilities, stadium expansion etc? They wouldn't be making these plans if their goal was to only get us to the Premiership and then sell. They wouldn't make enough of the profit. I think they will take out loans to pay for the new training facilities and stadium expansion, then use these assets, plus Premiership football to try and sell us to a Chinese company in the future. The Chinese are mad on red and I honestly believe this is the main reason we are being rebranded. We will be too far down the road to go back to the way we was by the time the Malaysians sell up and the worrying situation is we either get a bit of success and the Malaysian's sell us on for a profit and we continue in red, or if we fail to reach the Premiership the Malaysian's will cut their losses and leave us, with the new owner having to pay back this 100 million "investment" plus the 7% interest on top of this!

That's fair comment but surely the next people to buy Cardiff City FC are going to make themselves heroes by reverting back to blue, it's the obvious thing to do. When the original objections to red were made the Malaysians were spitting out the dummy and leaving us in the lurch anyway.

To labour a point lets see where we are in twelve months time, if the first team hasn't been strengthened significantly beyond what we see today, then they are chancers.

So we give our heritage up to chancers?

If you tolerate this then your children will be next

Indeed

Seriously people, lets use the current owners and get to the premiership. Despite the guys and gals that think we'd be happy in league1 and below (which we won't ), the Malaysians are not in it for the long haul.

700k to get rid of red seats will not be an issue, there's no way the next new owners will not change everything back the way it should end will eventually will be.

Honestly does anyone seriously believe that the red shirts are permanent? They will end up being an interesting footnote in the history of our great club, someone will write a book and we'll all buy it and move on....

I think the Malaysian's are in it for the long haul sadly. Why have they bothered setting up academy's in Malaysia? Why are they planning new training facilities, stadium expansion etc? They wouldn't be making these plans if their goal was to only get us to the Premiership and then sell. They wouldn't make enough of the profit. I think they will take out loans to pay for the new training facilities and stadium expansion, then use these assets, plus Premiership football to try and sell us to a Chinese company in the future. The Chinese are mad on red and I honestly believe this is the main reason we are being rebranded. We will be too far down the road to go back to the way we was by the time the Malaysians sell up and the worrying situation is we either get a bit of success and the Malaysian's sell us on for a profit and we continue in red, or if we fail to reach the Premiership the Malaysian's will cut their losses and leave us, with the new owner having to pay back this 100 million "investment" plus the 7% interest on top of this!

That's fair comment but surely the next people to buy Cardiff City FC are going to make themselves heroes by reverting back to blue, it's the obvious thing to do. When the original objections to red were made the Malaysians were spitting out the dummy and leaving us in the lurch anyway.

To labour a point lets see where we are in twelve months time, if the first team hasn't been strengthened significantly beyond what we see today, then they are chancers.

So we give our heritage up to chancers?

No, no; you're missing the point I'm making. We will return to wearing blue shirts, these people will be a footnote in our history, our heritage.

Nothing going on at present can change that......

Seriously people, lets use the current owners and get to the premiership. Despite the guys and gals that think we'd be happy in league1 and below (which we won't ), the Malaysians are not in it for the long haul.

700k to get rid of red seats will not be an issue, there's no way the next new owners will not change everything back the way it should end will eventually will be.

Honestly does anyone seriously believe that the red shirts are permanent? They will end up being an interesting footnote in the history of our great club, someone will write a book and we'll all buy it and move on....

I admire your optimism but I think that you are a bit deluded mate. The only way that I can see the red shirt scheme being short lived is if City have an indifferent season and crowds start to dip significantly. If City don't get off to a flyer, I think that Tan will come under huge pressure to reverse the rebrand.

Alfie is right, also, if we have a fantastic season there is no way Tan would even consider going back to blue and all the "sitting on the fence" type of people will be fully behind the re-brand as we'll be playing in the prem

I'm not saying that the current owners are ever going to revert back to blue, I know they won't,it's just my belief that the blue home shirt will return. It's just a question of when....one year, two years or five years?

Maybe I am deluded, I'm just amazed that people think, that's it red forever more.

Cardiff will have red shirts only as long as we have the current owners and I stick by my opinion that as soon as there is a change in ownership it'll be back to blue.

I'm not saying that the current owners are ever going to revert back to blue, I know they won't,it's just my belief that the blue home shirt will return. It's just a question of when....one year, two years or five years?

Maybe I am deluded, I'm just amazed that people think, that's it red forever more.

Cardiff will have red shirts only as long as we have the current owners and I stick by my opinion that as soon as there is a change in ownership it'll be back to blue.

No mate I think your wrong.I beleive once the changes are made theres no going back.Just take your own rational a couple of steps further.Under what circumstances would things go back to how they were?Team failure?We've already got a very competitive side and the manager is adding to this squad.I think some people are waiting forTans plans to go up in smoke which I don't think they will.After reading carefully the statement put out by club I think hes in it for the long haul and just because it all hasn't happened yet some people are taking that as a sign that Tan is liar.I actually read one post on here that because its been 3 weeks since the announcement and nothings happened yet Tan must be a liar.3 f*cking weeks!!!!!I think 3 years is more like it.You're right in saying that replacing all the seats etc.would cost money that could be better spent elsewhere but the cost of changing it all back would cost even more.And it still begs the question-Who is out there with enough money to take us on thats got money to burn.He would probably have to be welsh.There is no-one out there.

To explain, we are never going to stay in this new colour. Whether it's a year or five years, Cardiff will be back in blue shirts with the proper badge in place. I think we should take the temporary situation with the CURRENT owners, ultimately they have a year to prove their telling the truth? If this time next year we're no better off and we're actually worse off, no one will tolerate the crap that's going on at the moment?
Am I wrong thinking this way?

Thats why the keep cardiff Blue campaign is underway the fear is it wont be temporary and once the Red seats that would Id imagine have to go in happen then it would be irreversible. He needs to know our feelings and then hopefully as you say it will be temporary and we will revert back to Blue home the following season.

Maybe Our next owners when the malaysians decide to sell us will be Chinese. Maybe tan is getting us ready... Premiership team with a nice red stadium and dragon logos then !!BAM!! Sell us to a Chinese buyer for a fortune.

I agree with the OP one day we will revert to playing in Blue.

However, that could be 5, 10, 15 or even 30 years times. All depends on what happens on the pitch over the next few seasons and how well the lobbying goes.

Maybe Our next owners when the malaysians decide to sell us will be Chinese. Maybe tan is getting us ready... Premiership team with a nice red stadium and dragon logos then !!BAM!! Sell us to a Chinese buyer for a fortune.

That is almost certainly the plan.

However, I agree with CastleBlue that VT is more likely to keep 51% of the club and float the rest on the Far Eastern stock markets, once the debt is paid, the stadium is expanded, the trainning ground built and the team is in the Premier League.

That way he still controls the club, but gets his £100m (and more) back from the float.

Maybe Our next owners when the malaysians decide to sell us will be Chinese. Maybe tan is getting us ready... Premiership team with a nice red stadium and dragon logos then !!BAM!! Sell us to a Chinese buyer for a fortune.

That is almost certainly the plan.

However, I agree with CastleBlue that VT is more likely to keep 51% of the club and float the rest on the Far Eastern stock markets, once the debt is paid, the stadium is expanded, the trainning ground built and the team is in the Premier League.

That way he still controls the club, but gets his £100m (and more) back from the float.

with respect Tony,are you saying we are the only club to think of this wonderful idea?