Am i right or wrong regarding the rebranding?

Am i right to worry that the malaysians will pull out if we dont change our colour and badge?

What will happen to cardiff city if they do?

Rangers could be called a diferent name soon and could it be possible that cardiff city could go the same way and be called something like fc cardiff or similar if the shit hit the fan and woudnt that be worse than rebranding?

Am i right to worry that the malaysians will pull out if we dont change our colour and badge?

What will happen to cardiff city if they do?

Rangers could be called a diferent name soon and could it be possible that cardiff city could go the same way and be called something like fc cardiff or similar if the shit hit the fan and woudnt that be worse than rebranding?

Pull out and write off 40m. I dont think so.

Allan Whiteley publicly stated last week that it was never red or dead.

But lets be honest when they took over we were about £32 mill in debt, now over 2 years later under their leadership we about £82 mill in debt.

Am i right to worry that the malaysians will pull out if we dont change our colour and badge?

What will happen to cardiff city if they do?

Rangers could be called a diferent name soon and could it be possible that cardiff city could go the same way and be called something like fc cardiff or similar if the shit hit the fan and woudnt that be worse than rebranding?

not according to some on here! happy to see city in admin or worse as long as in blue! nothing else matters to them!

Am i right to worry that the malaysians will pull out if we dont change our colour and badge?

What will happen to cardiff city if they do?

Rangers could be called a diferent name soon and could it be possible that cardiff city could go the same way and be called something like fc cardiff or similar if the shit hit the fan and woudnt that be worse than rebranding?

Pull out and write off 40m. I dont think so.

Ok so what would happen if they say we wont pay the million or so a month to cover outgoings?

Allan Whiteley publicly stated last week that it was never red or dead.

But lets be honest when they took over we were about £32 mill in debt, now over 2 years later under their leadership we about £82 mill in debt.

How has it gone up that much what have they spent 50m on? Have they cleared any debts ?

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Am i right to worry that the malaysians will pull out if we dont change our colour and badge?

What will happen to cardiff city if they do?

Rangers could be called a diferent name soon and could it be possible that cardiff city could go the same way and be called something like fc cardiff or similar if the shit hit the fan and woudnt that be worse than rebranding?

You are right to worry about City.

As for worrying about those Jock, smelly, piss stained, vomit ridden tramps called the Huns, concern yourself no longer. They're fucked!

CCS, CCS, CCS!

Allan Whiteley publicly stated last week that it was never red or dead.

But lets be honest when they took over we were about £32 mill in debt, now over 2 years later under their leadership we about £82 mill in debt.

A few weeks ago you still wanted them to invest, since rebrand you now question the debt mmmmmm

Am i right to worry that the malaysians will pull out if we dont change our colour and badge?

What will happen to cardiff city if they do?

Rangers could be called a diferent name soon and could it be possible that cardiff city could go the same way and be called something like fc cardiff or similar if the shit hit the fan and woudnt that be worse than rebranding?

Pull out and write off 40m. I dont think so.

Ok so what would happen if they say we wont pay the million or so a month to cover outgoings?

Same answer as previous.

Rather see us cut our cloth accirdingly and not pay the likes of Miller silly wages

Am i right to worry that the malaysians will pull out if we dont change our colour and badge?

What will happen to cardiff city if they do?

Rangers could be called a diferent name soon and could it be possible that cardiff city could go the same way and be called something like fc cardiff or similar if the shit hit the fan and woudnt that be worse than rebranding?

not according to some on here! happy to see city in admin or worse as long as in blue! nothing else matters to them!

and what really matters to you....truth.......my truth.....im worried that the rebranding goes ahead but no sign of the alledged £100 mill......and truth...i dont give a shit about premier football....truth

Am i right to worry that the malaysians will pull out if we dont change our colour and badge?

What will happen to cardiff city if they do?

Rangers could be called a diferent name soon and could it be possible that cardiff city could go the same way and be called something like fc cardiff or similar if the shit hit the fan and woudnt that be worse than rebranding?

Pull out and write off 40m. I dont think so.

Ok so what would happen if they say we wont pay the million or so a month to cover outgoings?

well according to some they wont! but if for some reason they do we will go broke unless white knight comes along and gives us the money for nothing? all speculation though like most things on here these days! everyone knows how to make money except vt! silly really but hey doint worry everything will be alright!!!

Am i right to worry that the malaysians will pull out if we dont change our colour and badge?

What will happen to cardiff city if they do?

Rangers could be called a diferent name soon and could it be possible that cardiff city could go the same way and be called something like fc cardiff or similar if the shit hit the fan and woudnt that be worse than rebranding?

not according to some on here! happy to see city in admin or worse as long as in blue! nothing else matters to them!

and what really matters to you....truth.......my truth.....im worried that the rebranding goes ahead but no sign of the alledged £100 mill......and truth...i dont give a shit about premier football....truth

what matters well having team regardless of what colour shirt, and not playing in div x playing crap footy ! but hey thats me been doing it for 40yrs so i no nothing about supporting city just a plastic fan sitting in plastic seat in plastic stadium!

Allan Whiteley publicly stated last week that it was never red or dead.

But lets be honest when they took over we were about £32 mill in debt, now over 2 years later under their leadership we about £82 mill in debt.

Do you or anyone know how this debt has escalated by 50m? Im sure it isnt just running costs was there any debts paid?

Allan Whiteley publicly stated last week that it was never red or dead.

But lets be honest when they took over we were about £32 mill in debt, now over 2 years later under their leadership we about £82 mill in debt.

Do you or anyone know how this debt has escalated by 50m? Im sure it isnt just running costs was there any debts paid?

Jinks, All I know is that Ray Ranson/ Langston have not been paid and PMG have not, plus they actually failed to pay PMG on certain occasions when they had agreed to. Surely the debt should not be escalating like this at an alarming rate ?

I am not sure if Borley and Michael Issacs have been fully paid off, some accepted shares.


I thought this was a very interesting read
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Allan Whiteley publicly stated last week that it was never red or dead.

But lets be honest when they took over we were about £32 mill in debt, now over 2 years later under their leadership we about £82 mill in debt.

Do you or anyone know how this debt has escalated by 50m? Im sure it isnt just running costs was there any debts paid?

Jinks, All I know is that Ray Ranson/ Langston have not been paid and PMG have not, plus they actually failed to pay PMG on certain occasions when they had agreed to. Surely the debt should not be escalating like this at an alarming rate ?

I am not sure if Borley and Michael Issacs have been fully paid off, some accepted shares.


I thought this was a very interesting read
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84390

Where the hell did 50m go to

Allan Whiteley publicly stated last week that it was never red or dead.

But lets be honest when they took over we were about £32 mill in debt, now over 2 years later under their leadership we about £82 mill in debt.

Do you or anyone know how this debt has escalated by 50m? Im sure it isnt just running costs was there any debts paid?

Jinks, All I know is that Ray Ranson/ Langston have not been paid and PMG have not, plus they actually failed to pay PMG on certain occasions when they had agreed to. Surely the debt should not be escalating like this at an alarming rate ?

I am not sure if Borley and Michael Issacs have been fully paid off, some accepted shares.


I thought this was a very interesting read
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84390

Where the hell did 50m go to

That is the question ALL of us should be asking whether pro red or pro blue.

How the hell has the debt been allowed to spiral out of control? Are the club indirectly funding the Malaysia 1 grassroots soccer project,rather than Tan himself? I wonder...

Why has Tan simply been allowed to push through the rebranding with still no Langston settlement? Why was there no firm commitment to convert debt to equity in Tans last statement?

It is high time the club started living within its means.If that means selling players like Whitts,Mason,Turner,Gunnar etc so be it.Never mind fairytale bollocks about expanding the stadium,building a new training ground etc, as things stand all that is going to mean is more debt.

Wake up to what is really going on here.

Am i right to worry that the malaysians will pull out if we dont change our colour and badge?

What will happen to cardiff city if they do?

Rangers could be called a diferent name soon and could it be possible that cardiff city could go the same way and be called something like fc cardiff or similar if the shit hit the fan and woudnt that be worse than rebranding?

Chief the way i look at it i just can't see him walking away in a strop with £40 Mill at stake. The only way he can stop this Club now going into total meltdown and that is to get us to the Prem and use the Money we would gain to wipe out our debt. I understand the money for reaching the prem ain't £90 Mill but £150 Mill now.
So in my view they need focus there time on backing Malky and not rip this Club to shreds. What i want is for us to be run properly and not gamble any more, only spend what we have got.
But what has broken my heart personally is this re branding has turned fan against fan, Friend against Friend, and in my view it is now beyond repair as the supporters have split so bad the bad feeling is real and i fear there will be violence.
I understand that the original meeting at the Municipal was going to be confronted by supporters of the Red camp and they didn't want to talk either.
Jinks this isnt the Cardiff City i fell in love with and this isnt the Cardiff supporters that i felt i had this bond with, its gone and it will take a generation to fix IMO. I have some real good Friends that are in the Red camp but it has got quite nasty and i wait to see if our Frienships continue. Personally i dont know, i really hope we can as it means so much to me.
I aim to go to games and see how i feel, if in my heart its no longer there then I will walk.

Chief the way i look at it i just can't see him walking away in a strop with £40 Mill at stake. The only way he can stop this Club now going into total meltdown and that is to get us to the Prem and use the Money we would gain to wipe out our debt. I understand the money for reaching the prem ain't £90 Mill but £150 Mill now.

None of us know whether VT will walk away from his already sizeable investment, most of us would probably speculate and say no, but there's one thing for sure, he could certainly afford to do it, bearing in mind he added £80 odd million pounds to his wealth in Facebook shares only a few weeks ago, to his reported fortune of around £800,000,000!

I wonder how much interest he earns on that on a monthly basis?

So in my view they need focus there time on backing Malky and not rip this Club to shreds. What i want is for us to be run properly and not gamble any more, only spend what we have got.

Again, none of us knows whether we are being run properly or not at the moment, especially as VT hasn't fully divulged his business plans and as I said yesterday, what businessman in his right mind would?

We can all say that with regard to the rebranding, the fans should have been consulted and perhaps if the whistleblower hadn't posted some of the facts on various message boards, then perhaps we would have been consulted, who knows?

It's quite clear that if the proposed investment had been announced without the change of shirt colour and badge, we'd have all been doing fecking big jigs around the various parts of the country / world in which we reside!

Personally, I would have liked VT to have come out and at least state that the changes in colour and badge were necessary for us to survive, given the vision that he has for our club! I don't think that he would have needed to be any more specific in my eyes, as I believe that he had already earned the right to deserve our trust up that point!

But what has broken my heart personally is this re branding has turned fan against fan, Friend against Friend, and in my view it is now beyond repair, as the supporters have split so bad the bad feeling is real and i fear there will be violence.
I understand that the original meeting at the Municipal was going to be confronted by supporters of the Red camp and they didn't want to talk either.

Jinks this isnt the Cardiff City i fell in love with and this isnt the Cardiff supporters that i felt i had this bond with, its gone and it will take a generation to fix IMO. I have some real good Friends that are in the Red camp but it has got quite nasty and i wait to see if our Frienships continue. Personally i dont know, i really hope we can as it means so much to me.
I aim to go to games and see how i feel, if in my heart its no longer there then I will walk.

I'm not being funny here Nukes, but I have to say that your posts as much as anybody else's posts, have served to create a far bigger divide, than was ever necessary over this rebranding issue!

There's far too many posters who turn to ridiculing other posters, calling them names and generally being abusive, as soon as somebody else's opinion or point of view, is different to their own! I thought we were all Cardiff City supporters and in a democratic society, surely we've all got a right to believe in what we want and to be able to voice and debate our opinions in a sensible manner?

Allan Whiteley publicly stated last week that it was never red or dead.

But lets be honest when they took over we were about £32 mill in debt, now over 2 years later under their leadership we about £82 mill in debt.

I thought it was £72 million the other day?

I thought the debt was the money the malaysians have put into the club and once langstone is paid off they will convert into equity then the debt is more or less gone? I doubt this will happen but if it does annis you will not be sying they made the debt and paid it off it will be "it was their debt anyway" fairnplay annis you use this messageboard to get followers well and i applaud that but give out the facts just not your spin on this its starting to get embarassing and the only people listening to you are either your followers or people who do not understand and are looking for guidance and youre exploiting this i do not trust the malaysians but at least tell people why the debt run up and whats the plan ... Wether or not they do it is a different issue but people have the right to know

I thought the debt was the money the malaysians have put into the club and once langstone is paid off they will convert into equity then the debt is more or less gone? I doubt this will happen but if it does annis you will not be sying they made the debt and paid it off it will be "it was their debt anyway" fairnplay annis you use this messageboard to get followers well and i applaud that but give out the facts just not your spin on this its starting to get embarassing and the only people listening to you are either your followers or people who do not understand and are looking for guidance and youre exploiting this i do not trust the malaysians but at least tell people why the debt run up and whats the plan ... Wether or not they do it is a different issue but people have the right to know

Wether its their debt or not theyve still run it up because THEY are running this club at a 1.5m a month loss.

All the whilst charging us 7% interest.

I thought the debt was the money the malaysians have put into the club and once langstone is paid off they will convert into equity then the debt is more or less gone? I doubt this will happen but if it does annis you will not be sying they made the debt and paid it off it will be "it was their debt anyway" fairnplay annis you use this messageboard to get followers well and i applaud that but give out the facts just not your spin on this its starting to get embarassing and the only people listening to you are either your followers or people who do not understand and are looking for guidance and youre exploiting this i do not trust the malaysians but at least tell people why the debt run up and whats the plan ... Wether or not they do it is a different issue but people have the right to know

Wether its their debt or not theyve still run it up because THEY are running this club at a 1.5m a month loss.

All the whilst charging us 7% interest.

They have not taken a penny out of the club though the debt has risen because its the cost of keeping us alive it will be gone if and its a big if they pay of langstone and turn it into equity and i do not think they will but its wrong to say theyve made the debt as in implying its the type of debt sam and risdale had debts debt but this is a debt easily sorted out if the malaysians keep their promise (im skeptical btw)

We will have to agree to disagree as I am going out tonight and I can see this is going nowhere.

We will have to agree to disagree as I am going out tonight and I can see this is going nowhere.

Thats the problem this rebranding which is uncalled for has caused such a divide in fans who when it boils down to it just want what they feel is best for the club

We will have to agree to disagree as I am going out tonight and I can see this is going nowhere.

Thats the problem this rebranding which is uncalled for has caused such a divide in fans who when it boils down to it just want what they feel is best for the club

Yes Ill agree on that. Totally no need for it, although I think VT is being naive and misguided rather than trying to do anything sinister. I just dont think he understands football.

Unfortunately hes just another in a long line of City owners who have mismanaged the club and we are up shit creek without a paddle.

We will have to agree to disagree as I am going out tonight and I can see this is going nowhere.

Thats the problem this rebranding which is uncalled for has caused such a divide in fans who when it boils down to it just want what they feel is best for the club

Yes Ill agree on that. Totally no need for it, although I think VT is being naive and misguided rather than trying to do anything sinister. I just dont think he understands football.

Unfortunately hes just another in a long line of City owners who have mismanaged the club and we are up shit creek without a paddle.

Yeah never a dull moment with this club