TURN THE TRUST BLUE

OK, I know the Trust hasn't always been popular over here and I myself lost faith and resigned some time ago BUT for those of us who believe that we as fans have been treated very shabbily over this rebranding, joining or re-joining the Trust is a good way to get our view across and gain a voice.

How about it?

OK, I know the Trust hasn't always been popular over here and I myself lost faith and resigned some time ago BUT for those of us who believe that we as fans have been treated very shabbily over this rebranding, joining or re-joining the Trust is a good way to get our view across and gain a voice.

How about it?

It really should be, but unfortunately I think it's the wrong vehicle and they have made their own bed in my opinion. The whole structure is so PC and so tied up in it's own rules through it's own making, they can get nothing done in any suitable time frame.

It's democracy gone mad, they wont or can't make a simple of slight decision without balloting every member, they must spend a fortune on mail costs, and if you have four members registered in one house, they still send you four separate letters!!!!

Like you at one time I was thinking of playing a more active part, but new how frustrated i would be working with those constraints. In my opinion, if someone like Tim Hartley is voted as leader, then he should be allowed to lead and if the majority think he's not leading well or in the direction of the majority, then vote him out.

It's mad, by the time they ballot and vote etc on every little point, people have moved on and forgotten what the original point was.

You could turn it green if it suits they do nothing on the basis of the fans look at some past events not bothering having a say for fans when the shit hit the fan theres lots of reasons why i do not follow the trust and what its supposed to be there for, every issue that gets mentioned they have 12 meetings over it only to put there point to the club and get told no which intails of another meeting about the last meeting, complete waste of time in my eyes and what have they achieved in the time they have been going for the fans???

Cardiff City may or may not have missed the boat but it works very very well in Swansea, a 20% shareholding and a seat on the board has to be your ultimate goal.

That said, the consortium that run Swansea are all fans, first and foremost.

Gwyn and BB77 are right of course. Because it's a legally constituted organisation governed by rules the Trust is not exactly dynamic

However, on this issue alone where the Club has attracted criticism from all around the UK and even abroad for ignoring the wishes of its fans, the Trust is the natural vehicle for all of us who would like the Club to retain its traditions and could use its official links with other Trusts and supporters groups to keep the issue alive. Furthermore, the very reason the Trust exists is to safeguard the club's links with its local community and to encourage the club to consult its fans.

I think it's worth a go personally.

me to, they are a direct line into the club

me to, they are a direct line into the club

the trust has made plenty of mistakes but a strong and well supported trust is a good idea wether you are pro blue , pro red or pro bloody pink with green spots on !!


join the trust !!

me to, they are a direct line into the club

I'll think you'll find the direct line has now got a few twist and breaks in it after recent events.

me to, they are a direct line into the club

I'll think you'll find the direct line has now got a few twist and breaks in it after recent events.

It seems the Club would prefer to deal with people who don't represent anyone eh Gwyn?

Cardiff City may or may not have missed the boat but it works very very well in Swansea, a 20% shareholding and a seat on the board has to be your ultimate goal.

That said, the consortium that run Swansea are all fans, first and foremost.

There was the perfect opportunity to get Trust involvement in the day to day running of the club when we nearly went bust in the lower league.

No interest at that time.

And when you guys set your Trust up, I've no doubt many mocked, even some now members of our Trust. Funny old world.

me to, they are a direct line into the club

I'll think you'll find the direct line has now got a few twist and breaks in it after recent events.

It seems the Club would prefer to deal with people who don't represent anyone eh Gwyn?

Don't think they got any issues with the Supporters club and their 3,ooo members to be honest.

OK, I know the Trust hasn't always been popular over here and I myself lost faith and resigned some time ago BUT for those of us who believe that we as fans have been treated very shabbily over this rebranding, joining or re-joining the Trust is a good way to get our view across and gain a voice.

How about it?

It really should be, but unfortunately I think it's the wrong vehicle and they have made their own bed in my opinion. The whole structure is so PC and so tied up in it's own rules through it's own making, they can get nothing done in any suitable time frame.

It's democracy gone mad, they wont or can't make a simple of slight decision without balloting every member, they must spend a fortune on mail costs, and if you have four members registered in one house, they still send you four separate letters!!!!

Like you at one time I was thinking of playing a more active part, but new how frustrated i would be working with those constraints. In my opinion, if someone like Tim Hartley is voted as leader, then he should be allowed to lead and if the majority think he's not leading well or in the direction of the majority, then vote him out.

It's mad, by the time they ballot and vote etc on every little point, people have moved on and forgotten what the original point was.

The Trust has a lot of catching up to do if it is ever to be a credible fans representative group. It totally cocked up the protest march against Ridsdale and followed that up with a number of bad calls, using its 'constitution' to hide behind its fear of being bold.

Without a doubt it suffers from very weak leadership and it needs a complete overhaul of its board members. Until they make that bold move (bold being completely against its nature) it will continue to fail as it has done since day one.

Cardiff City may or may not have missed the boat but it works very very well in Swansea, a 20% shareholding and a seat on the board has to be your ultimate goal.

That said, the consortium that run Swansea are all fans, first and foremost.

There was the perfect opportunity to get Trust involvement in the day to day running of the club when we nearly went bust in the lower league.

No interest at that time.

And when you guys set your Trust up, I've no doubt many mocked, even some now members of our Trust. Funny old world.

I tried to get one set up but was told by certain persons we didnt need a trust

OK, I know the Trust hasn't always been popular over here and I myself lost faith and resigned some time ago BUT for those of us who believe that we as fans have been treated very shabbily over this rebranding, joining or re-joining the Trust is a good way to get our view across and gain a voice.

How about it?

It really should be, but unfortunately I think it's the wrong vehicle and they have made their own bed in my opinion. The whole structure is so PC and so tied up in it's own rules through it's own making, they can get nothing done in any suitable time frame.

It's democracy gone mad, they wont or can't make a simple of slight decision without balloting every member, they must spend a fortune on mail costs, and if you have four members registered in one house, they still send you four separate letters!!!!

Like you at one time I was thinking of playing a more active part, but new how frustrated i would be working with those constraints. In my opinion, if someone like Tim Hartley is voted as leader, then he should be allowed to lead and if the majority think he's not leading well or in the direction of the majority, then vote him out.

It's mad, by the time they ballot and vote etc on every little point, people have moved on and forgotten what the original point was.

The Trust has a lot of catching up to do if it is ever to be a credible fans representative group. It totally cocked up the protest march against Ridsdale and followed that up with a number of bad calls, using its 'constitution' to hide behind its fear of being bold.

Without a doubt it suffers from very weak leadership and it needs a complete overhaul of its board members. Until they make that bold move (bold being completely against its nature) it will continue to fail as it has done since day one.

I think you are talking complete rubbish

me to, they are a direct line into the club

I'll think you'll find the direct line has now got a few twist and breaks in it after recent events.

It seems the Club would prefer to deal with people who don't represent anyone eh Gwyn?

Don't think they got any issues with the Supporters club and their 3,ooo members to be honest.

I think you are being a little over generous with the numbers there gwyn

You could turn it green if it suits they do nothing on the basis of the fans look at some past events not bothering having a say for fans when the shit hit the fan theres lots of reasons why i do not follow the trust and what its supposed to be there for, every issue that gets mentioned they have 12 meetings over it only to put there point to the club and get told no which intails of another meeting about the last meeting, complete waste of time in my eyes and what have they achieved in the time they have been going for the fans???

when was this ?

and these 12 meetings ?

I am not aware of them

OK, I know the Trust hasn't always been popular over here and I myself lost faith and resigned some time ago BUT for those of us who believe that we as fans have been treated very shabbily over this rebranding, joining or re-joining the Trust is a good way to get our view across and gain a voice.

How about it?

It really should be, but unfortunately I think it's the wrong vehicle and they have made their own bed in my opinion. The whole structure is so PC and so tied up in it's own rules through it's own making, they can get nothing done in any suitable time frame.

It's democracy gone mad, they wont or can't make a simple of slight decision without balloting every member, they must spend a fortune on mail costs, and if you have four members registered in one house, they still send you four separate letters!!!!

Like you at one time I was thinking of playing a more active part, but new how frustrated i would be working with those constraints. In my opinion, if someone like Tim Hartley is voted as leader, then he should be allowed to lead and if the majority think he's not leading well or in the direction of the majority, then vote him out.

It's mad, by the time they ballot and vote etc on every little point, people have moved on and forgotten what the original point was.

The Trust has a lot of catching up to do if it is ever to be a credible fans representative group. It totally cocked up the protest march against Ridsdale and followed that up with a number of bad calls, using its 'constitution' to hide behind its fear of being bold.

Without a doubt it suffers from very weak leadership and it needs a complete overhaul of its board members. Until they make that bold move (bold being completely against its nature) it will continue to fail as it has done since day one.

There is an opportunity for the members to change the makeup of the Trust board every year , as you well know as you stood for election yourself fairly recently and were unfortunately unsuccessful. To stand for election you would have had to agree with the purposes and constitution of it , yet since then you seem to have a grudge against it.

And were you aware that there have been several changes in the make up of the Trust board over the last year? So its gone a long way towards the complete overhaul you refer to.

me to, they are a direct line into the club

I'll think you'll find the direct line has now got a few twist and breaks in it after recent events.

It seems the Club would prefer to deal with people who don't represent anyone eh Gwyn?

Don't think they got any issues with the Supporters club and their 3,ooo members to be honest.

I think you are being a little over generous with the numbers there gwyn

Not my figure Sludge, I'm not involved, it's just the number that was stated ate the meeting that belonged to the supporters club, Vince will be able to clarify.

OK, I know the Trust hasn't always been popular over here and I myself lost faith and resigned some time ago BUT for those of us who believe that we as fans have been treated very shabbily over this rebranding, joining or re-joining the Trust is a good way to get our view across and gain a voice.

How about it?

It really should be, but unfortunately I think it's the wrong vehicle and they have made their own bed in my opinion. The whole structure is so PC and so tied up in it's own rules through it's own making, they can get nothing done in any suitable time frame.

It's democracy gone mad, they wont or can't make a simple of slight decision without balloting every member, they must spend a fortune on mail costs, and if you have four members registered in one house, they still send you four separate letters!!!!

Like you at one time I was thinking of playing a more active part, but new how frustrated i would be working with those constraints. In my opinion, if someone like Tim Hartley is voted as leader, then he should be allowed to lead and if the majority think he's not leading well or in the direction of the majority, then vote him out.

It's mad, by the time they ballot and vote etc on every little point, people have moved on and forgotten what the original point was.

The Trust has a lot of catching up to do if it is ever to be a credible fans representative group. It totally cocked up the protest march against Ridsdale and followed that up with a number of bad calls, using its 'constitution' to hide behind its fear of being bold.

Without a doubt it suffers from very weak leadership and it needs a complete overhaul of its board members. Until they make that bold move (bold being completely against its nature) it will continue to fail as it has done since day one.

There is an opportunity for the members to change the makeup of the Trust board every year , as you well know as you stood for election yourself fairly recently and were unfortunately unsuccessful. To stand for election you would have had to agree with the purposes and constitution of it , yet since then you seem to have a grudge against it.

I wondered where this lie originated from and if it is from you Keith then the Trust should back this up or apologise, you are a board member and you know full well I never stood for any election for the Trust FACT AND TRUTH, now come clean or discredit the Trust. Total fabrication, I did think about it and several board members did ask me to stand, but i never applied and i never put myself forward, so how does that work out as me being not elected, now let's have some truth here.

And were you aware that there have been several changes in the make up of the Trust board over the last year? So its gone a long way towards the complete overhaul you refer to.

Well fingers crossed for loads more, may make it attractive to the clubs massive fan base then.

OK, I know the Trust hasn't always been popular over here and I myself lost faith and resigned some time ago BUT for those of us who believe that we as fans have been treated very shabbily over this rebranding, joining or re-joining the Trust is a good way to get our view across and gain a voice.

How about it?

It really should be, but unfortunately I think it's the wrong vehicle and they have made their own bed in my opinion. The whole structure is so PC and so tied up in it's own rules through it's own making, they can get nothing done in any suitable time frame.

It's democracy gone mad, they wont or can't make a simple of slight decision without balloting every member, they must spend a fortune on mail costs, and if you have four members registered in one house, they still send you four separate letters!!!!

Like you at one time I was thinking of playing a more active part, but new how frustrated i would be working with those constraints. In my opinion, if someone like Tim Hartley is voted as leader, then he should be allowed to lead and if the majority think he's not leading well or in the direction of the majority, then vote him out.

It's mad, by the time they ballot and vote etc on every little point, people have moved on and forgotten what the original point was.

The Trust has a lot of catching up to do if it is ever to be a credible fans representative group. It totally cocked up the protest march against Ridsdale and followed that up with a number of bad calls, using its 'constitution' to hide behind its fear of being bold.

Without a doubt it suffers from very weak leadership and it needs a complete overhaul of its board members. Until they make that bold move (bold being completely against its nature) it will continue to fail as it has done since day one.

There is an opportunity for the members to change the makeup of the Trust board every year , as you well know as you stood for election yourself fairly recently and were unfortunately unsuccessful. To stand for election you would have had to agree with the purposes and constitution of it , yet since then you seem to have a grudge against it.

And were you aware that there have been several changes in the make up of the Trust board over the last year? So its gone a long way towards the complete overhaul you refer to.

Keith I think you could be wrong here , I dont think gwyn stood for election , I know he spoke about it but I am pretty certain he didnt stand

OK, I know the Trust hasn't always been popular over here and I myself lost faith and resigned some time ago BUT for those of us who believe that we as fans have been treated very shabbily over this rebranding, joining or re-joining the Trust is a good way to get our view across and gain a voice.

How about it?

It really should be, but unfortunately I think it's the wrong vehicle and they have made their own bed in my opinion. The whole structure is so PC and so tied up in it's own rules through it's own making, they can get nothing done in any suitable time frame.

It's democracy gone mad, they wont or can't make a simple of slight decision without balloting every member, they must spend a fortune on mail costs, and if you have four members registered in one house, they still send you four separate letters!!!!

Like you at one time I was thinking of playing a more active part, but new how frustrated i would be working with those constraints. In my opinion, if someone like Tim Hartley is voted as leader, then he should be allowed to lead and if the majority think he's not leading well or in the direction of the majority, then vote him out.

It's mad, by the time they ballot and vote etc on every little point, people have moved on and forgotten what the original point was.

The Trust has a lot of catching up to do if it is ever to be a credible fans representative group. It totally cocked up the protest march against Ridsdale and followed that up with a number of bad calls, using its 'constitution' to hide behind its fear of being bold.

Without a doubt it suffers from very weak leadership and it needs a complete overhaul of its board members. Until they make that bold move (bold being completely against its nature) it will continue to fail as it has done since day one.

There is an opportunity for the members to change the makeup of the Trust board every year , as you well know as you stood for election yourself fairly recently and were unfortunately unsuccessful. To stand for election you would have had to agree with the purposes and constitution of it , yet since then you seem to have a grudge against it.

I wondered where this lie originated from and if it is from you Keith then the Trust should back this up or apologise, you are a board member and you know full well I never stood for any election for the Trust FACT AND TRUTH, now come clean or discredit the Trust. Total fabrication, I did think about it and several board members did ask me to stand, but i never applied and i never put myself forward, so how does that work out as me being not elected, now let's have some truth here.

And were you aware that there have been several changes in the make up of the Trust board over the last year? So its gone a long way towards the complete overhaul you refer to.

Well fingers crossed for loads more, may make it attractive to the clubs massive fan base then.

My apologies Gwyn.

I was trying to respond to Tony Blue Williams` post , not yours.

Keith

sorry but i dont thin k the trust should get involved cause most people are happy with the changes aslong as the money is invested it should go to a vote

sorry but i dont thin k the trust should get involved cause most people are happy with the changes aslong as the money is invested it should go to a vote

the club should do a poll


do yoant a blue shirt or a red one


to all season ticket holders and members....ie people who actually go


then its sorted

sorry but i dont thin k the trust should get involved cause most people are happy with the changes aslong as the money is invested it should go to a vote

the club should do a poll


do yoant a blue shirt or a red one


to all season ticket holders and members....ie people who actually go


then its sorted

yes your right i think most on here will be surprise about the result , i think the old hardcore of 5000 fans from 25 years ago will vote blue the newbies dont care as long as the team are successful will go with red sadly for every fan we will lose i think if we go on and reach the premiership then new fans will flood in protests and other groups against the changes are fighting a losing battle

sorry but i dont thin k the trust should get involved cause most people are happy with the changes aslong as the money is invested it should go to a vote

the club should do a poll


do yoant a blue shirt or a red one


to all season ticket holders and members....ie people who actually go


then its sorted

yes your right i think most on here will be surprise about the result , i think the old hardcore of 5000 fans from 25 years ago will vote blue the newbies dont care as long as the team are successful will go with red sadly for every fan we will lose i think if we go on and reach the premiership then new fans will flood in protests and other groups against the changes are fighting a losing battle

Not wishing to put petrol on the fire but a lot of the old heads, Big Sam, Macca, Ketty Mogs, Big Steve, Corky, Jinx and most of the lads I know from years ago are much like the majority and will accept the kit change because of the investment, they have seen enough bad times and struggle to want to finally see real investment coming in and making a major difference.

sorry but i dont thin k the trust should get involved cause most people are happy with the changes aslong as the money is invested it should go to a vote

the club should do a poll


do yoant a blue shirt or a red one


to all season ticket holders and members....ie people who actually go


then its sorted

yes your right i think most on here will be surprise about the result , i think the old hardcore of 5000 fans from 25 years ago will vote blue the newbies dont care as long as the team are successful will go with red sadly for every fan we will lose i think if we go on and reach the premiership then new fans will flood in protests and other groups against the changes are fighting a losing battle

Not wishing to put petrol on the fire but a lot of the old heads, Big Sam, Macca, Ketty Mogs, Big Steve, Corky, Jinx and most of the lads I know from years ago are much like the majority and will accept the kit change because of the investment, they have seen enough bad times and struggle to want to finally see real investment coming in and making a major difference.

thats what im saying that the majority dont mind the change ,there will be a hardcore that will protest but they got to get use to it ,im welsh , the dragon been on our strip for years so couldnt care less tbh as long as he invest the money

sorry but i dont thin k the trust should get involved cause most people are happy with the changes aslong as the money is invested it should go to a vote

the club should do a poll


do yoant a blue shirt or a red one


to all season ticket holders and members....ie people who actually go


then its sorted

yes your right i think most on here will be surprise about the result , i think the old hardcore of 5000 fans from 25 years ago will vote blue the newbies dont care as long as the team are successful will go with red sadly for every fan we will lose i think if we go on and reach the premiership then new fans will flood in protests and other groups against the changes are fighting a losing battle

Not wishing to put petrol on the fire but a lot of the old heads, Big Sam, Macca, Ketty Mogs, Big Steve, Corky, Jinx and most of the lads I know from years ago are much like the majority and will accept the kit change because of the investment, they have seen enough bad times and struggle to want to finally see real investment coming in and making a major difference.

its a real killer , for all city fans

mind you I met a couple of kids today who are going to buy the red kit so there you go

OK, I know the Trust hasn't always been popular over here and I myself lost faith and resigned some time ago BUT for those of us who believe that we as fans have been treated very shabbily over this rebranding, joining or re-joining the Trust is a good way to get our view across and gain a voice.

How about it?

It really should be, but unfortunately I think it's the wrong vehicle and they have made their own bed in my opinion. The whole structure is so PC and so tied up in it's own rules through it's own making, they can get nothing done in any suitable time frame.

It's democracy gone mad, they wont or can't make a simple of slight decision without balloting every member, they must spend a fortune on mail costs, and if you have four members registered in one house, they still send you four separate letters!!!!

Like you at one time I was thinking of playing a more active part, but new how frustrated i would be working with those constraints. In my opinion, if someone like Tim Hartley is voted as leader, then he should be allowed to lead and if the majority think he's not leading well or in the direction of the majority, then vote him out.

It's mad, by the time they ballot and vote etc on every little point, people have moved on and forgotten what the original point was.

The Trust has a lot of catching up to do if it is ever to be a credible fans representative group. It totally cocked up the protest march against Ridsdale and followed that up with a number of bad calls, using its 'constitution' to hide behind its fear of being bold.

Without a doubt it suffers from very weak leadership and it needs a complete overhaul of its board members. Until they make that bold move (bold being completely against its nature) it will continue to fail as it has done since day one.

There is an opportunity for the members to change the makeup of the Trust board every year , as you well know as you stood for election yourself fairly recently and were unfortunately unsuccessful. To stand for election you would have had to agree with the purposes and constitution of it , yet since then you seem to have a grudge against it.

I wondered where this lie originated from and if it is from you Keith then the Trust should back this up or apologise, you are a board member and you know full well I never stood for any election for the Trust FACT AND TRUTH, now come clean or discredit the Trust. Total fabrication, I did think about it and several board members did ask me to stand, but i never applied and i never put myself forward, so how does that work out as me being not elected, now let's have some truth here.

And were you aware that there have been several changes in the make up of the Trust board over the last year? So its gone a long way towards the complete overhaul you refer to.

Well fingers crossed for loads more, may make it attractive to the clubs massive fan base then.

My apologies Gwyn.

I was trying to respond to Tony Blue Williams` post , not yours.

Keith

No problem and thanks for straightening it out, get enough lies pointed my way without getting them from a person who I respect.