ARE FANS WHO ASK ?

Are fans who ask for refunds on season tickets because of the colour/badge change not real fans ?


I just read on another mb, they are saying they are not real fans, any comments ?

The one's who stick with the club through thick and thin are the real "Die Hards"

Fans should stick with their club regardless of what owners want or do.

So in answer to your question, I suppose the one's asking for refunds are resigning their right to be a fan.

They are leaving the club?

People who ask for ST refunds are definatley real Fans. they have just been hurt by all this rebranding .

Annis, I understand where they are coming from, although I do not like the re-band, I would never ever desert cardiff city, I have supported them for over 55 years and will continue to do so whatever colour shirt or badge change, so I would say no matter how I feel about the changes as a fan I will never stop going ps I am also hurt with the re-banding but that would never stop me from supporting City

Are fans who ask for refunds on season tickets because of the colour/badge change not real fans ?


I just read on another mb, they are saying they are not real fans, any comments ?

They are real fans no doubt, and I feel sorry for them, but the club is far more to me and many others than a badge, a shirt or a colour of a shirt, in all my 46 years of watching I have seen loads of CCFC badges, Loads of CCFC shirts, even two stadiums now, dozens of managers and thousands of players, but it still is and always has been CARDIFF city.

Those that can walk away from that are supporters, it's just that they see support as something different to me and the vast majority.

There's no such thing as a "real fan" only a cardiff city fan. The people who ask for a refund will still be cardiff city fans. You can't just switch off your love for cardiff city fc.

If they love the city so much in all honesty how can they just walk away ?????

I understand their frustration but I think they are cutting of their nose to spite their face.

The only ones that lose are themselves.

I also think it is very defeatist to just shrug aside and say, 'OK, if you wont play in blue, I want my money back'.

To say they are not true fans is unfair, however, I don't agree with their stance to be honest and believe
there are better ways to go about showing your dissatisfaction than just tossing aside your season ticket.

Are fans who ask for refunds on season tickets because of the colour/badge change not real fans ?


I just read on another mb, they are saying they are not real fans, any comments ?

yes they are real fans, don't blame them for doing it.

Of course they are real fans, but the changes either evolutionary or revolutionary do not coincide with their interests, situation or "love" any more.

When I started in the early 80's we had crowds 8~10K by the late 80's we had lost 4~6k, nothing to do with shirts, badges. Why did we lose that many ? Because it was a crap experience, I had better thing to do with my money, time or commitments.

Why have we got so many fans now ? Because the experience is better than they thought, so they came back. This happens in life, its called change, it happens to everyone.

Yes of course they are real fans. Its just that the changes are a step too far for them which is perfectly understandable given the circumstances.

You never walk away from CCFC i have found that impossible and in fact i would never want to,but i have found it possible too stop going to matches.

You never walk away from CCFC i have found that impossible and in fact i would never want to,but i have found it possible too stop going to matches.

I totally agree. Cardiff City fc has always been a "big time Charlie" club, the historical stats back this fact to the hilt.

I would respectfully ask the question though, whats the difference in cancelling because of change of colour & badge, or cancelling because you only wanted a Wembley ticket?

Yes they are fans.

They just feel strongly about what has happened to our club.

Although I'm not sure I'd do that myself I don't blame them tbh.

The one's who stick with the club through thick and thin are the real "Die Hards"

Fans should stick with their club regardless of what owners want or do.

So in answer to your question, I suppose the one's asking for refunds are resigning their right to be a fan.

They are leaving the club?

Very good post. A fair few of us have been here "through thick and thin" , AND we'll be here through thicker and thinner. I've never thought of myself like this before , but after all these years , maybe I am a "Die Hard". I've seen bad days and good days , I've stood and watched good/bad games , but I've always been City through and through.

I give respect to others who can't feel this way , but I'm gonna stick with my team !!

Definitely real fans and fans who I have massive respect for, as they're prepared to do something I would find too hard to do.

I completely disagree with them, but they have my respect

I just hope such principled fans as this will come back in due course, and the club should do everything possible to make sure if they want to come back, they will be allowed to do so. (if we got promoted and season tickets were at a premium, those fans should be offered first choice, in my view).

Annis, if the owners don't care about the fans, why should the fans care about the owners?

This is the best thread for ages. People seem to realise the dilemma facing some fans. The club is still Cardiff City, but these changes have thrown many, including myself. CCFC will be barely recognisable next season. We are not talking about away shirts, or tinkering with the badge. These changes are massive. Fundamental.

To answer Annis' question; yes, of course they are real fans. Are they doing the right thing? I don't honestly know. I am wondering what to do myself. My ST is bought, but it may be my dad or sister who is sitting in my seat. The club won't lose out!

I have lost count of the relegations in my time as a fan of the club. 7,8,9, I'll have to check later. They were always difficult, but in a strange way, this is worse. I posted that view previously, and was ridiculed by one or two. But I suspect that many fans will recognise the point, even if they disagree.

This whole argument has been over simplified, Premier League or no club. Life is never that clear cut!

These are unchartered waters. Eventually it might settle down. Perhaps we need the season to start! Then, perhaps, we can concentrate on what unites us, rather than our disagreements.

Annis, if the owners don't care about the fans, why should the fans care about the owners?

Adz, I dont care about the owners one bit, as surely u must have noticed

Annis, if the owners don't care about the fans, why should the fans care about the owners?

Adz, I dont care about the owners one bit, as surely u must have noticed

But by supporting and spending at the club, you are technically supporting them and giving the owners money.

Annis, if the owners don't care about the fans, why should the fans care about the owners?

Adz, I dont care about the owners one bit, as surely u must have noticed

But by supporting and spending at the club, you are technically supporting them and giving the owners money.

I bought bargains today and my Blue tops for next season to protest against them.

Annis, if the owners don't care about the fans, why should the fans care about the owners?

Adz, I dont care about the owners one bit, as surely u must have noticed

But by supporting and spending at the club, you are technically supporting them and giving the owners money.

I bought bargains today and my Blue tops for next season to protest against them.

True but I am boycotting the club for protest. I will start supporting when a new owner comes in and gives us our identity and history back.

Yes they are real fans. Real fans that love the Blue Yellow and White. They love the Bluebird. Yes Gwyn the badge has changed many times but in my era the Bluebird has always been the main item on the Badge. I feel really strongly and i will give it a go but if the love has gone then it is gone, If it isn't my Cardiff City then i am gone end off, but i wont give up easily.

They are real fans, but are not die hard fans.

I would only not support the club if the name Cardiff City were changed.

I think this term "Real Fan" is all to easily used and is all to often used in a context where the intent is to have a dig, a bit like your a "Plastic" or "Soul Seller" if you are prepared to accept this rebranding. I've never actually read a definition of what makes a fan a "Real Fan".

But in my opinion if you support a club, through good times and bad, then your a fan. If you can support your club through disappointments like a relegation or losing a Cup Final or a Playoff Final then still comeback for more your a fan. I've also heard someone say your not a "Real" fan until you've suffered the pain of relegation, utter bollocks, because with the exception of the jacks I wouldn't wish relegation on any club but I would be happy for any club other than Cardiff to be relegated. That just goes with being a fan in my opinion.

I don't know for a fact but I suspect that most if not all of the fans asking for refunds have been through the pain of the FA Cup, Carling Cup Final and Playoff Final defeats and still comeback for more. So in my book yes they are "Real" Fans and as such even though they don't intend to be at the CCS this coming season I'm sure many, if not all, will still be thinking of us on match day, still looking for the result, still caring and that's what makes them "Real" fans.

I gotta be honest I really don't care what these fans do. If they feel that hard done by they should certainly ask for a refund and I hope they get it.

I'd rather focus on the people who want to go watch Cardiff City than don't.

The people who ask for a refund are still real fans. Many have principles and are sticking to their guns after being let down. They are major changes and fans are entitled to do what they want. There is nothing to say that they will think any less of CCFC. I think that there will be many fans boycotting products, e.g. Buying Programmes, items from the shop, food/drink inside the stadium to show their disapproval of the re branding. I also think that with the re branding and if we have an average season there willbefar less season ticket holders next season. Let's hope for a decent season !

I want a season ticket refund after every bad result however that's what I call 'a real fan'

I want a season ticket refund after every bad result however that's what I call 'a real fan'

That's a lot of refunds

I want a season ticket refund after every bad result however that's what I call 'a real fan'

Rather then Direct Debit to pay you could have a Direct Refund to get your money back.

Interesting concept Tony.