Has Gwyn been rumbled ?

Before pooh poohing this as another pro blue post, please just consider some of the points and make up your own mind.

Gwyn has given us an insight into a plan whereby we allow the Malaysians to make their big investment and once they are fully committed then we can give them what for.
Don't fall for it. Do you think for one minute that Gwyn would reveal this plan by stating it on this forum thus tipping off the Malaysians ? Would Gwyn risk the Malaysians finding out and withdrawing which was the very thing he was telling us we should avoid at all costs?

What I really think is happening here is we are being fed a line by being told that we will soon be allowed to protest and stick it to the Malaysians when nothing could be further from the truth. Once VT has committed then there is absolutely no way that he will change the rebranding plans but it will then be too late to do anything about it as the shirts will be ordered and everything will be set in stone.
I think that this "wait till he invests" story is one big smokescreen to appease us into thinking that we should wait a while thus giving the Malaysians time and opportunity to get everything in place unhindered. Once this has taken place then it is the Malaysians who will have the upper hand and we will be totally at their mercy.

ffs,we all hope not.

Of course thats the case. Who in their right mind would do a financial deal as big as this without the correct clauses are out in place.?

I agree this is a smoke screen on ensuring that the colour transfer takes place as smoothly as possible.

Of course thats the case. Who in their right mind would do a financial deal as big as this without the correct clauses are out in place.?

I agree this is a smoke screen on ensuring that the colour transfer takes place as smoothly as possible.

Blimey I actually agree with you.

VT is not going to to all this and leave himself exposed o some sort of fans master plan is he.

How do people think he got to be a billionaire??????

Yep I must admit I thought that too.

For someone who thinks the Maaysians get swayed by online opinion, it seems odd hed be publicly convincing us all to con them and waait until the investment to protest... by then of course it wont make a blind bit of difference, far too late.

Of course its a plan, it's the plan of action I chose within seconds of hearing the proposals and i haven't changed one bit.
I didn't want to change to red, but it was happening, why protest now, the deal was done and at best we could make such a fuss VT would not invest any more and look to walk away and cut his losses as the worse case scenario.

Either way we would still be in red coz it had been registered with the League.

When he is tied into massive equity holding, he may be more prepared to listen and consult with the fan base, if not and he alienates the masses, then i'm sure he'll pay a price.

If the fans all feel the same and they decide to protest then it will have an affect i can promise you, will it ever get to that I doubt it and i hope not, does it harm if he's made aware of that, I don't think so, best he knows now and takes it on board for future plans.

Now if that's me being rumbled, then so what, I got nothing to hide.

Of course its a plan, it's the plan of action I chose within seconds of hearing the proposals and i haven't changed one bit.
I didn't want to change to red, but it was happening, why protest now, the deal was done and at best we could make such a fuss VT would not invest any more and look to walk away and cut his losses as the worse case scenario.

Either way we would still be in red coz it had been registered with the League.

When he is tied into massive equity holding, he may be more prepared to listen and consult with the fan base, if not and he alienates the masses, then i'm sure he'll pay a price.

If the fans all feel the same and they decide to protest then it will have an affect i can promise you, will it ever get to that I doubt it and i hope not, does it harm if he's made aware of that, I don't think so, best he knows now and takes it on board for future plans.

Now if that's me being rumbled, then so what, I got nothing to hide.

Seems to me that Sam has told you to switch sides Gwyn after the breakdown of the deal between both parties and you want to save face. Sorry but that plan is a load of shit

Are some of you mad? the deal is done can't you understand .

And as for protest, what do you mean allows us to protest, they can't stop us protesting, that's what a protest is.

So what is the plan I got, and is this now to suit Sam Hammam, or the Malaysians, mad as a box of frogs.

Protest now if you want, but to achieve what and change what.

Of course its a plan, it's the plan of action I chose within seconds of hearing the proposals and i haven't changed one bit.
I didn't want to change to red, but it was happening, why protest now, the deal was done and at best we could make such a fuss VT would not invest any more and look to walk away and cut his losses as the worse case scenario.

Either way we would still be in red coz it had been registered with the League.

When he is tied into massive equity holding, he may be more prepared to listen and consult with the fan base, if not and he alienates the masses, then i'm sure he'll pay a price.

If the fans all feel the same and they decide to protest then it will have an affect i can promise you, will it ever get to that I doubt it and i hope not, does it harm if he's made aware of that, I don't think so, best he knows now and takes it on board for future plans.

Now if that's me being rumbled, then so what, I got nothing to hide.

I can't believe for one minute taking VT on upfront is going to get us any where. He has deep pockets and lives 6500 miles away.

However, quite lobbying and reasoned argument via those who have influence (fans leaders/Alan Whiteley etc) could have an influence once VT has finished with whatever it is he needs the red shirts for.

Of course its a plan, it's the plan of action I chose within seconds of hearing the proposals and i haven't changed one bit.
I didn't want to change to red, but it was happening, why protest now, the deal was done and at best we could make such a fuss VT would not invest any more and look to walk away and cut his losses as the worse case scenario.

Either way we would still be in red coz it had been registered with the League.

When he is tied into massive equity holding, he may be more prepared to listen and consult with the fan base, if not and he alienates the masses, then i'm sure he'll pay a price.

If the fans all feel the same and they decide to protest then it will have an affect i can promise you, will it ever get to that I doubt it and i hope not, does it harm if he's made aware of that, I don't think so, best he knows now and takes it on board for future plans.

Now if that's me being rumbled, then so what, I got nothing to hide.

Seems to me that Sam has told you to switch sides Gwyn after the breakdown of the deal between both parties and you want to save face. Sorry but that plan is a load of shit

Great logic madman, so when did I switch and what have I switched from

Are some of you mad? the deal is done can't you understand .

And as for protest, what do you mean allows us to protest, they can't stop us protesting, that's what a protest is.

So what is the plan I got, and is this now to suit Sam Hammam, or the Malaysians, mad as a box of frogs.

Protest now if you want, but to achieve what and change what.

So has your legal advisors been through the deal word for word Gwyn..? Or are you just assuming that theres no clause in there which says that the club could change back to blue at any time..?

People are mentioning sam in here but if sam aint payed then the owners will not become owners of the club 100% so dont we all want him to be payed so we can move on its either one or the other, that way we can go from there once the malaysians have done whatever there doing which in truth there doing it anyway without fan power. When the roles are reversed then fan power will previal without the fear of the club going under or them pulling out, im sure of it i can hardly call this thread a rumble of gwyn or anything else i would call it common sence like the thread ive posted yesterday which for some reason there seems to be a few threads going up ONLY NOW about whats in my thread ironic .

Are some of you mad? the deal is done can't you understand .

And as for protest, what do you mean allows us to protest, they can't stop us protesting, that's what a protest is.

So what is the plan I got, and is this now to suit Sam Hammam, or the Malaysians, mad as a box of frogs.

Protest now if you want, but to achieve what and change what.

So has your legal advisors been through the deal word for word Gwyn..? Or are you just assuming that theres no clause in there which says that the club could change back to blue at any time..?

Adam clubs are required by Football League rules to nominate both home and away colours prior to the AGM of the Football League. That took place in Portugal the week before last so as the club has nominated Red then Red it will be at home. Nothing to do with Gwyn or legal agreements because lets face it changing the colour of the playing strip will have absolutely no bearing whatsoever in the legal documentation that will convert loans into shares, nothing to do with Langston, nothing to do with the cost of Clarkies in the stadium.

When Gwyn asks what can be achieved by protest now think Football League rules. Which means when it comes to colours absolutely nothing.

Of course its a plan, it's the plan of action I chose within seconds of hearing the proposals and i haven't changed one bit.
I didn't want to change to red, but it was happening, why protest now, the deal was done and at best we could make such a fuss VT would not invest any more and look to walk away and cut his losses as the worse case scenario.

Either way we would still be in red coz it had been registered with the League.

When he is tied into massive equity holding, he may be more prepared to listen and consult with the fan base, if not and he alienates the masses, then i'm sure he'll pay a price.

If the fans all feel the same and they decide to protest then it will have an affect i can promise you, will it ever get to that I doubt it and i hope not, does it harm if he's made aware of that, I don't think so, best he knows now and takes it on board for future plans.

Now if that's me being rumbled, then so what, I got nothing to hide.

Gwyn why on earth would you post this plan in the public domain because VT will surely find out and if he thought that we were going to protest against him once he had committed then this wouldl piss him off far more than a few protests about the badge and the colour.
In no way would you risk him finding out by leaking this information in case he walked away and (as you put it) all the domesday scenarios come to fruition.You have spend the last few weeks telling us not to upset him (VT) yet you leak a plan that would have the potential to do just that.
If you think that we are powerless now then just wait till VT is fully committed and the plans are firmly set in stone because it will be impossible to change them then. The Malaysians are only vunerable until they reach a place of safety where the plans have been fully introduced and I think that you know this. As I have said, this is another tactic to stall us thus giving VT time to put everything in place unhindered.
The leaking of this information is nothing but a smokescreen to stop us taking action now in order for VT to consolodate his position where we will be unable to challenge him or his plans at a later date.
The only thing that I have not worked out is who you are in bed with over this and what are your real motives ? I would hope your motives are for the benefit of the fans but this remains to be seen.

Are some of you mad? the deal is done can't you understand .

And as for protest, what do you mean allows us to protest, they can't stop us protesting, that's what a protest is.

So what is the plan I got, and is this now to suit Sam Hammam, or the Malaysians, mad as a box of frogs.

Protest now if you want, but to achieve what and change what.

So has your legal advisors been through the deal word for word Gwyn..? Or are you just assuming that theres no clause in there which says that the club could change back to blue at any time..?

Adam clubs are required by Football League rules to nominate both home and away colours prior to the AGM of the Football League. That took place in Portugal the week before last so as the club has nominated Red then Red it will be at home. Nothing to do with Gwyn or legal agreements because lets face it changing the colour of the playing strip will have absolutely no bearing whatsoever in the legal documentation that will convert loans into shares, nothing to do with Langston, nothing to do with the cost of Clarkies in the stadium.

When Gwyn asks what can be achieved by protest now think Football League rules. Which means when it comes to colours absolutely nothing.

Castle, I'm sorry but if the change of colour is so important to Tan and it seems to be given the recent alterations you can bet your bottom dollor that there is a clause in the agreement that the club must say red. God knows what could happen if the club were to brake the agreement but I'm sure the result of such a possible U-turn after the agreement is done which also be outlined in the original document.

Are some of you mad? the deal is done can't you understand .

And as for protest, what do you mean allows us to protest, they can't stop us protesting, that's what a protest is.

So what is the plan I got, and is this now to suit Sam Hammam, or the Malaysians, mad as a box of frogs.

Protest now if you want, but to achieve what and change what.

So has your legal advisors been through the deal word for word Gwyn..? Or are you just assuming that theres no clause in there which says that the club could change back to blue at any time..?

Adam clubs are required by Football League rules to nominate both home and away colours prior to the AGM of the Football League. That took place in Portugal the week before last so as the club has nominated Red then Red it will be at home. Nothing to do with Gwyn or legal agreements because lets face it changing the colour of the playing strip will have absolutely no bearing whatsoever in the legal documentation that will convert loans into shares, nothing to do with Langston, nothing to do with the cost of Clarkies in the stadium.

When Gwyn asks what can be achieved by protest now think Football League rules. Which means when it comes to colours absolutely nothing.

Castle, I'm sorry but if the change of colour is so important to Tan and it seems to be given the recent alterations you can bet your bottom dollor that there is a clause in the agreement that the club must say red. God knows what could happen if the club were to brake the agreement but I'm sure the result of such a possible U-turn after the agreement is done which also be outlined in the original document.

There's a clause that the club has to say RED, where do they have to say it? don't make sense, but that's nothing new from you. And as for braking the agreement, I bet it would be just as nad if they were to break it even.

Are some of you mad? the deal is done can't you understand .

And as for protest, what do you mean allows us to protest, they can't stop us protesting, that's what a protest is.

So what is the plan I got, and is this now to suit Sam Hammam, or the Malaysians, mad as a box of frogs.

Protest now if you want, but to achieve what and change what.

So has your legal advisors been through the deal word for word Gwyn..? Or are you just assuming that theres no clause in there which says that the club could change back to blue at any time..?

Adam clubs are required by Football League rules to nominate both home and away colours prior to the AGM of the Football League. That took place in Portugal the week before last so as the club has nominated Red then Red it will be at home. Nothing to do with Gwyn or legal agreements because lets face it changing the colour of the playing strip will have absolutely no bearing whatsoever in the legal documentation that will convert loans into shares, nothing to do with Langston, nothing to do with the cost of Clarkies in the stadium.

When Gwyn asks what can be achieved by protest now think Football League rules. Which means when it comes to colours absolutely nothing.

Castle, I'm sorry but if the change of colour is so important to Tan and it seems to be given the recent alterations you can bet your bottom dollor that there is a clause in the agreement that the club must say red. God knows what could happen if the club were to brake the agreement but I'm sure the result of such a possible U-turn after the agreement is done which also be outlined in the original document.

There's a clause that the club has to say RED, where do they have to say it? don't make sense, but that's nothing new from you. And as for braking the agreement, I bet it would be just as nad if they were to break it even.

UKIP. Bit off topic but it still makes me laugh as soon as Baz told me.

Are some of you mad? the deal is done can't you understand .

And as for protest, what do you mean allows us to protest, they can't stop us protesting, that's what a protest is.

So what is the plan I got, and is this now to suit Sam Hammam, or the Malaysians, mad as a box of frogs.

Protest now if you want, but to achieve what and change what.

So has your legal advisors been through the deal word for word Gwyn..? Or are you just assuming that theres no clause in there which says that the club could change back to blue at any time..?

Adam clubs are required by Football League rules to nominate both home and away colours prior to the AGM of the Football League. That took place in Portugal the week before last so as the club has nominated Red then Red it will be at home. Nothing to do with Gwyn or legal agreements because lets face it changing the colour of the playing strip will have absolutely no bearing whatsoever in the legal documentation that will convert loans into shares, nothing to do with Langston, nothing to do with the cost of Clarkies in the stadium.

When Gwyn asks what can be achieved by protest now think Football League rules. Which means when it comes to colours absolutely nothing.

Castle, I'm sorry but if the change of colour is so important to Tan and it seems to be given the recent alterations you can bet your bottom dollor that there is a clause in the agreement that the club must say red. God knows what could happen if the club were to brake the agreement but I'm sure the result of such a possible U-turn after the agreement is done which also be outlined in the original document.

There's a clause that the club has to say RED, where do they have to say it? don't make sense, but that's nothing new from you. And as for braking the agreement, I bet it would be just as nad if they were to break it even.

UKIP. Bit off topic but it still makes me laugh as soon as Baz told me.

you got me giggling now

Before pooh poohing this as another pro blue post .............

but you wrote it in blue. Sort of gave it away really

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Are some of you mad? the deal is done can't you understand .

And as for protest, what do you mean allows us to protest, they can't stop us protesting, that's what a protest is.

So what is the plan I got, and is this now to suit Sam Hammam, or the Malaysians, mad as a box of frogs.

Protest now if you want, but to achieve what and change what.

So has your legal advisors been through the deal word for word Gwyn..? Or are you just assuming that theres no clause in there which says that the club could change back to blue at any time..?

Adam clubs are required by Football League rules to nominate both home and away colours prior to the AGM of the Football League. That took place in Portugal the week before last so as the club has nominated Red then Red it will be at home. Nothing to do with Gwyn or legal agreements because lets face it changing the colour of the playing strip will have absolutely no bearing whatsoever in the legal documentation that will convert loans into shares, nothing to do with Langston, nothing to do with the cost of Clarkies in the stadium.

When Gwyn asks what can be achieved by protest now think Football League rules. Which means when it comes to colours absolutely nothing.

Castle, I'm sorry but if the change of colour is so important to Tan and it seems to be given the recent alterations you can bet your bottom dollor that there is a clause in the agreement that the club must say red. God knows what could happen if the club were to brake the agreement but I'm sure the result of such a possible U-turn after the agreement is done which also be outlined in the original document.

There's a clause that the club has to say RED, where do they have to say it? don't make sense, but that's nothing new from you. And as for braking the agreement, I bet it would be just as nad if they were to break it even.

UKIP. Bit off topic but it still makes me laugh as soon as Baz told me. [/quote]
you got me giggling now [/quote]

Better not upset him, he'll get his fellow Nazi's, erm slip of the tongue, "party members" on to us.

Are some of you mad? the deal is done can't you understand .

And as for protest, what do you mean allows us to protest, they can't stop us protesting, that's what a protest is.

So what is the plan I got, and is this now to suit Sam Hammam, or the Malaysians, mad as a box of frogs.

Protest now if you want, but to achieve what and change what.

So has your legal advisors been through the deal word for word Gwyn..? Or are you just assuming that theres no clause in there which says that the club could change back to blue at any time..?

Adam clubs are required by Football League rules to nominate both home and away colours prior to the AGM of the Football League. That took place in Portugal the week before last so as the club has nominated Red then Red it will be at home. Nothing to do with Gwyn or legal agreements because lets face it changing the colour of the playing strip will have absolutely no bearing whatsoever in the legal documentation that will convert loans into shares, nothing to do with Langston, nothing to do with the cost of Clarkies in the stadium.

When Gwyn asks what can be achieved by protest now think Football League rules. Which means when it comes to colours absolutely nothing.

Castle, I'm sorry but if the change of colour is so important to Tan and it seems to be given the recent alterations you can bet your bottom dollor that there is a clause in the agreement that the club must say red. God knows what could happen if the club were to brake the agreement but I'm sure the result of such a possible U-turn after the agreement is done which also be outlined in the original document.

I am not surprised that you did not get elected. You can not even put a coherent argument together that makes any sense to anyone but yourself.

As mad as a box of frogs indeed.

Before pooh poohing this as another pro blue post .............

but you wrote it in blue. Sort of gave it away really

Ok you got me there

People are mentioning sam in here but if sam aint payed then the owners will not become owners of the club 100% so dont we all want him to be payed so we can move on its either one or the other, that way we can go from there once the malaysians have done whatever there doing which in truth there doing it anyway without fan power. When the roles are reversed then fan power will previal without the fear of the club going under or them pulling out, im sure of it i can hardly call this thread a rumble of gwyn or anything else i would call it common sence like the thread ive posted yesterday which for some reason there seems to be a few threads going up ONLY NOW about whats in my thread ironic .

So once the Malaysians are too far in and have committed to us, we then plan to protest but we leak this information on a public forum so they know what we are planning and we do all this even though it carries the risk that they will find out and pull out beforehand.
Does anyone actually believe this?

People are mentioning sam in here but if sam aint payed then the owners will not become owners of the club 100% so dont we all want him to be payed so we can move on its either one or the other, that way we can go from there once the malaysians have done whatever there doing which in truth there doing it anyway without fan power. When the roles are reversed then fan power will previal without the fear of the club going under or them pulling out, im sure of it i can hardly call this thread a rumble of gwyn or anything else i would call it common sence like the thread ive posted yesterday which for some reason there seems to be a few threads going up ONLY NOW about whats in my thread ironic .

So once the Malaysians are too far in and have committed to us, we then plan to protest but we leak this information on a public forum so they know what we are planning and we do all this even though it carries the risk that they will find out and pull out beforehand.
Does anyone actually believe this?

Yes its possible thats what could go on like ive said here in my thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83604 yet you start a thread an hour later with the same thing i had already said but mine wasnt just about gwyn it was the three amigos and maybe it would be the outcome who knows it was just ifs, buts and maybes. I got 20 theorys but this was just one thread of a possible outcome if they turned it all in to equity

People are mentioning sam in here but if sam aint payed then the owners will not become owners of the club 100% so dont we all want him to be payed so we can move on its either one or the other, that way we can go from there once the malaysians have done whatever there doing which in truth there doing it anyway without fan power. When the roles are reversed then fan power will previal without the fear of the club going under or them pulling out, im sure of it i can hardly call this thread a rumble of gwyn or anything else i would call it common sence like the thread ive posted yesterday which for some reason there seems to be a few threads going up ONLY NOW about whats in my thread ironic .

So once the Malaysians are too far in and have committed to us, we then plan to protest but we leak this information on a public forum so they know what we are planning and we do all this even though it carries the risk that they will find out and pull out beforehand.
Does anyone actually believe this?

Yes its possible thats what could go on like ive said here in my thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83604 yet you start a thread an hour later with the same thing i had already said but mine wasnt just about gwyn it was the three amigos and maybe it would be the outcome who knows it was just ifs, buts and maybes. I got 20 theorys but this was just one thread of a possible outcome if they turned it all in to equity

Fair point but it is obvious that someone is clearly lying to us.

Of course its a plan, it's the plan of action I chose within seconds of hearing the proposals and i haven't changed one bit.
I didn't want to change to red, but it was happening, why protest now, the deal was done and at best we could make such a fuss VT would not invest any more and look to walk away and cut his losses as the worse case scenario.

Either way we would still be in red coz it had been registered with the League.

When he is tied into massive equity holding, he may be more prepared to listen and consult with the fan base, if not and he alienates the masses, then i'm sure he'll pay a price.

If the fans all feel the same and they decide to protest then it will have an affect i can promise you, will it ever get to that I doubt it and i hope not, does it harm if he's made aware of that, I don't think so, best he knows now and takes it on board for future plans.

Now if that's me being rumbled, then so what, I got nothing to hide.

Gwyn if its really the plan of action that you claim will you be taking an active part in such protests?

People are mentioning sam in here but if sam aint payed then the owners will not become owners of the club 100% so dont we all want him to be payed so we can move on its either one or the other, that way we can go from there once the malaysians have done whatever there doing which in truth there doing it anyway without fan power. When the roles are reversed then fan power will previal without the fear of the club going under or them pulling out, im sure of it i can hardly call this thread a rumble of gwyn or anything else i would call it common sence like the thread ive posted yesterday which for some reason there seems to be a few threads going up ONLY NOW about whats in my thread ironic .

So once the Malaysians are too far in and have committed to us, we then plan to protest but we leak this information on a public forum so they know what we are planning and we do all this even though it carries the risk that they will find out and pull out beforehand.
Does anyone actually believe this?

Yes its possible thats what could go on like ive said here in my thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83604 yet you start a thread an hour later with the same thing i had already said but mine wasnt just about gwyn it was the three amigos and maybe it would be the outcome who knows it was just ifs, buts and maybes. I got 20 theorys but this was just one thread of a possible outcome if they turned it all in to equity

Fair point but it is obvious that someone is clearly lying to us.

Yep but i know who it is

People are mentioning sam in here but if sam aint payed then the owners will not become owners of the club 100% so dont we all want him to be payed so we can move on its either one or the other, that way we can go from there once the malaysians have done whatever there doing which in truth there doing it anyway without fan power. When the roles are reversed then fan power will previal without the fear of the club going under or them pulling out, im sure of it i can hardly call this thread a rumble of gwyn or anything else i would call it common sence like the thread ive posted yesterday which for some reason there seems to be a few threads going up ONLY NOW about whats in my thread ironic .

So once the Malaysians are too far in and have committed to us, we then plan to protest but we leak this information on a public forum so they know what we are planning and we do all this even though it carries the risk that they will find out and pull out beforehand.
Does anyone actually believe this?

Yes its possible thats what could go on like ive said here in my thread viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83604 yet you start a thread an hour later with the same thing i had already said but mine wasnt just about gwyn it was the three amigos and maybe it would be the outcome who knows it was just ifs, buts and maybes. I got 20 theorys but this was just one thread of a possible outcome if they turned it all in to equity

Fair point but it is obvious that someone is clearly lying to us.

Yep but i know who it is THE MALAYSIANS

Trouble is that by the time we find out who has been playing us it will be too late. My hunch is that Sam does not want us to rock the boat in order that he gets paid and he is being aided by Gwyn.The Malaysian are happy with this because they have a free hand to rebrand as they wish without mass protests from the fans.The Malaysians will totally complete the rebranding and Sam will get paid and the fans will be left high and dry.