Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:00 pm
goodnight to you all.
Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:17 pm
Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:20 pm
Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:25 pm
taffy123 wrote:Cardiff City and controversy are rarely apart but this week the actions of the clubs Malaysian owners have sparked debate across the football world by confirming every real fans fear that the modern game has no place for the traditional principles and values that it was built upon. Through a Wednesday morning press release, the club confirmed that from next season Cardiff City will be represented by a dragon on a red shirt at the expense of the clubs familiar bluebird and blue. Ditched despite seeds of unrest planted when the motion was first mentioned a couple of weeks before, the tribal association of Cardiff City and the bluebird on their famous blue shirts now exist only in club history and fan memory, but the effects of the change offers a stark warning to fans of other clubs across the football world.
Foreign owners are a modern-day sign of the changing face of football. Although different in their general approach to the day-to-day running of their respective clubs, controversy has become the unfortunate consistent, but money talks and these often elusive figures have plenty of both money and talk. The Malaysian investors of Cardiff City have taken radical action in an attempt to stem the clubs unbalanced cash-flow with their re-branding project but few appear convinced of the realistic rewards it can bring. Tan Sri Vincent Tan and Dato Chan Tien Ghee have backed their decision in order to safeguard the short and long-term future of the club through the development of a brand that they believe will prove attractive in Asia. The projected return is significant, but the cold and calculated facts fail to add up.
The Malaysians bought into Cardiff City and inherited its traditions, its values and its fans. They did not buy a name, or a brand, they bought a proud football club that is seen as a sporting institution in the Welsh capital. Generations of fans from South Wales and beyond have supported the club over the last century, through the good times and more often the bad, and with a blinkered belief of a better future but only a future as the Cardiff City they know and love. Chairman, players and managers have come and gone and moving from Ninian Park to the new Cardiff City Stadium was an accepted sign of progress. What remained throughout was the bluebird, the badge, the colour blue. After a century of rivalry with Swansea City, the colour has been the powerful sign of allegiance, but a car-full of money-men from form the other side of the world have now decided otherwise with the click of a mouse.
Football has become a powerful business vehicle in modern times, but the Malaysians have now taken the wheel at Cardiff City, and reprogrammed the sat-nav in a completely different direction. Tian Ghee and his associates must be credited with steadying what had become increasingly sinking ship when they arrived in South Wales, but what they inherited was not a bespoke franchise that could be manipulated to their own taste, they bought into Cardiff City and that is they should work with. The colour red and the symbol of a dragon may well prove popular in Asia, it does generally prove popular in Wales (Cardiff being the current exception to the rule), but red shirts and a dragon crest do not signify Cardiff City. Football is a simple game, but as the actual 90-minute spectacle becomes increasingly irrelevant to those running it, the significance of the red shirt and dragon offer a timely reminder to how two other Welsh football institutions in similar guise currently operate
The Malaysian's have tested the faith of Cardiff City fans by removing tradition in order to market the club in Asia
Wrexham play in red and their famous crest is emblazoned with two dragons. Despite this, the club have not cornered the Asian market, in fact they have struggled to corner much of the North Wales market. Like Cardiff City however, the club have suffered their fair share of irresponsible owners and custodians. This time last year the only question on the lips of Wrexham fans was if the club would actually start the new season. Currently outside of the Football League but regularly pushing for a return at the top of the non-league pyramid, the club resolved their apparently insurmountable debts in a far more traditional way than Cardiff City. The fans rallied and raised funds to keep the club in business, the steps forward were small but sure, and twelve months later the club are preparing for another campaign in the Blue Square Premier with a much-stronger footing. There is still work to do, but the fans and the club are working as one to make the next progressive step, without alienation.
Cardiff City fans would not wish to swap Championship football for the non-league game, but after the events of this week there is a degree of jealousy of Wrexham's apparent togetherness. Wrexham have retained their tradition, and with the unequivocal backing of their fans, they have retained their club. Their identity is their brand, it will not change to fit into an emerging project on the other side of the world, it will not sell its soul for the sake of security. Over the past year Wrexham have become a modern-day football romance story as the fans passion and belief made the impossible possible and only failure to achieve promotion prevented the fairytale coming true. Cardiff City will believe that promotion to the Premier League is possible should Malky Mackay continue to fine-tune his squad, but any promotion party is already tinged, and the confetti and ribbons on provisional order are only red, not blue.
The modern-day game brings with it contrasting emotions. The excitement of the best players in the world competing against each other in magnificent stadiums is countered by the astronomical salaries paid to individuals on a weekly-basis that would prevent clubs at the other end of the pyramid from entering administration. The values of a by-gone age are lost among the elite and at the same time have been sacrificed in desperation by the unfortunate many. Money is the root of all evil, but there is a significant part of the modern game that is not ruled by finance, and it is where our next red shirt and dragon combination compete. The international stage is at the world football forefront this month as the European Championships take place, and while international football brings its own controversies, they are not caused by wages, agents or transfer fees.
The Football Association of Wales recently introduced a re-brand of their own as the traditional badge was replaced with a modern design. The dragon remained unsurprisingly prominent, but while their was resentment to the change at first, a string of victories under the late Gary Speed brought the feel-good factor back to the success-starved nation and the new badge quickly became associated with a talented and golden generation of player expected to achieve so much. International football is often criticised in comparison to the quality of the club game, but the values of players playing for their country and not for cash, for pride and not pounds, for success and not a signing-on fee, makes the international game unique in the bigger football picture.
Red shirts and the prominence of the dragon represent all that is right about Wrexham and Wales, but now, also all that is wrong about Cardiff City. The Malaysians have made the most heart-felt of changes in order to promote themselves to the markets in Asia, but the markets of Splott have turned against them. The Cantonese may seek to invest millions in the new dragon symbol, but the people of Canton who were there before, and will be there after the Malaysians, will refuse to invest in the club shop or even the turnstiles. Wrexham's strength came from their community but Cardiff City have now alienated theirs in the name of progress. There are no guarantees that the re-branding initiative will work, as many other clubs across Europe have tried with limited success to crack the mythically lucrative Asian market, but they have stayed true to their traditions while doing so.
There are many however who support the Malaysians and believe that they should be backed in return for their investment in the club, in the modern-day game, this is a fair and justified approach. But for the sake of football, such drastic action must be stopped, or at the very least curbed. The changes are purely cosmetic and are yet to be realised, but very soon, the new badge will adorn Cardiff City Stadium and the red paint, maybe even the new red seats, will cover the past as quickly as the red mist to the proposals has covered the various message boards and social networking sites. For those who do support the change, take a moment to imagine the opening day of the season when Cardiff City run out at home in a red kit and a badge with no association the club you used to know. It is still Cardiff City, but sadly, its no longer your Cardiff City.- AND DON'T TRY TELLING ME OR OTHER BLUEBIRDS THAT THIS (GREAT FOOTBALL CLUB )STILL FEELS LIKE ( CCFC) you REDS killed YOUR CLUB. ----------- lads its been FUN on here for ME last season taking the piss ect,ect- but i'am out of here for good cheers boys.![]()
goodnight to you all.
![]()
Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:26 pm
Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:44 pm
Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:52 pm
Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:54 pm
Sun May 05, 2013 9:39 am
Sun May 05, 2013 9:49 am
Sun May 05, 2013 9:52 am
Sun May 05, 2013 10:15 am
taffy123 wrote:
but the people of Canton who were there before, and will be there after the Malaysians, will refuse to invest in the club shop or even the turnstiles.
Sun May 05, 2013 11:05 am
Sun May 05, 2013 11:16 am
Sun May 05, 2013 11:24 am
"lads its been FUN on here for ME last season taking the piss ect,ect- but i'am out of here for good cheers boys."
Sun May 05, 2013 11:34 am
Sun May 05, 2013 11:39 am
Sun May 05, 2013 11:52 am
Sun May 05, 2013 12:03 pm
taffy123 wrote:Cardiff City and controversy are rarely apart but this week the actions of the clubs Malaysian owners have sparked debate across the football world by confirming every real fans fear that the modern game has no place for the traditional principles and values that it was built upon. Through a Wednesday morning press release, the club confirmed that from next season Cardiff City will be represented by a dragon on a red shirt at the expense of the clubs familiar bluebird and blue. Ditched despite seeds of unrest planted when the motion was first mentioned a couple of weeks before, the tribal association of Cardiff City and the bluebird on their famous blue shirts now exist only in club history and fan memory, but the effects of the change offers a stark warning to fans of other clubs across the football world.
Foreign owners are a modern-day sign of the changing face of football. Although different in their general approach to the day-to-day running of their respective clubs, controversy has become the unfortunate consistent, but money talks and these often elusive figures have plenty of both money and talk. The Malaysian investors of Cardiff City have taken radical action in an attempt to stem the clubs unbalanced cash-flow with their re-branding project but few appear convinced of the realistic rewards it can bring. Tan Sri Vincent Tan and Dato Chan Tien Ghee have backed their decision in order to safeguard the short and long-term future of the club through the development of a brand that they believe will prove attractive in Asia. The projected return is significant, but the cold and calculated facts fail to add up.
The Malaysians bought into Cardiff City and inherited its traditions, its values and its fans. They did not buy a name, or a brand, they bought a proud football club that is seen as a sporting institution in the Welsh capital. Generations of fans from South Wales and beyond have supported the club over the last century, through the good times and more often the bad, and with a blinkered belief of a better future but only a future as the Cardiff City they know and love. Chairman, players and managers have come and gone and moving from Ninian Park to the new Cardiff City Stadium was an accepted sign of progress. What remained throughout was the bluebird, the badge, the colour blue. After a century of rivalry with Swansea City, the colour has been the powerful sign of allegiance, but a car-full of money-men from form the other side of the world have now decided otherwise with the click of a mouse.
Football has become a powerful business vehicle in modern times, but the Malaysians have now taken the wheel at Cardiff City, and reprogrammed the sat-nav in a completely different direction. Tian Ghee and his associates must be credited with steadying what had become increasingly sinking ship when they arrived in South Wales, but what they inherited was not a bespoke franchise that could be manipulated to their own taste, they bought into Cardiff City and that is they should work with. The colour red and the symbol of a dragon may well prove popular in Asia, it does generally prove popular in Wales (Cardiff being the current exception to the rule), but red shirts and a dragon crest do not signify Cardiff City. Football is a simple game, but as the actual 90-minute spectacle becomes increasingly irrelevant to those running it, the significance of the red shirt and dragon offer a timely reminder to how two other Welsh football institutions in similar guise currently operate
The Malaysian's have tested the faith of Cardiff City fans by removing tradition in order to market the club in Asia
Wrexham play in red and their famous crest is emblazoned with two dragons. Despite this, the club have not cornered the Asian market, in fact they have struggled to corner much of the North Wales market. Like Cardiff City however, the club have suffered their fair share of irresponsible owners and custodians. This time last year the only question on the lips of Wrexham fans was if the club would actually start the new season. Currently outside of the Football League but regularly pushing for a return at the top of the non-league pyramid, the club resolved their apparently insurmountable debts in a far more traditional way than Cardiff City. The fans rallied and raised funds to keep the club in business, the steps forward were small but sure, and twelve months later the club are preparing for another campaign in the Blue Square Premier with a much-stronger footing. There is still work to do, but the fans and the club are working as one to make the next progressive step, without alienation.
Cardiff City fans would not wish to swap Championship football for the non-league game, but after the events of this week there is a degree of jealousy of Wrexham's apparent togetherness. Wrexham have retained their tradition, and with the unequivocal backing of their fans, they have retained their club. Their identity is their brand, it will not change to fit into an emerging project on the other side of the world, it will not sell its soul for the sake of security. Over the past year Wrexham have become a modern-day football romance story as the fans passion and belief made the impossible possible and only failure to achieve promotion prevented the fairytale coming true. Cardiff City will believe that promotion to the Premier League is possible should Malky Mackay continue to fine-tune his squad, but any promotion party is already tinged, and the confetti and ribbons on provisional order are only red, not blue.
The modern-day game brings with it contrasting emotions. The excitement of the best players in the world competing against each other in magnificent stadiums is countered by the astronomical salaries paid to individuals on a weekly-basis that would prevent clubs at the other end of the pyramid from entering administration. The values of a by-gone age are lost among the elite and at the same time have been sacrificed in desperation by the unfortunate many. Money is the root of all evil, but there is a significant part of the modern game that is not ruled by finance, and it is where our next red shirt and dragon combination compete. The international stage is at the world football forefront this month as the European Championships take place, and while international football brings its own controversies, they are not caused by wages, agents or transfer fees.
The Football Association of Wales recently introduced a re-brand of their own as the traditional badge was replaced with a modern design. The dragon remained unsurprisingly prominent, but while their was resentment to the change at first, a string of victories under the late Gary Speed brought the feel-good factor back to the success-starved nation and the new badge quickly became associated with a talented and golden generation of player expected to achieve so much. International football is often criticised in comparison to the quality of the club game, but the values of players playing for their country and not for cash, for pride and not pounds, for success and not a signing-on fee, makes the international game unique in the bigger football picture.
Red shirts and the prominence of the dragon represent all that is right about Wrexham and Wales, but now, also all that is wrong about Cardiff City. The Malaysians have made the most heart-felt of changes in order to promote themselves to the markets in Asia, but the markets of Splott have turned against them. The Cantonese may seek to invest millions in the new dragon symbol, but the people of Canton who were there before, and will be there after the Malaysians, will refuse to invest in the club shop or even the turnstiles. Wrexham's strength came from their community but Cardiff City have now alienated theirs in the name of progress. There are no guarantees that the re-branding initiative will work, as many other clubs across Europe have tried with limited success to crack the mythically lucrative Asian market, but they have stayed true to their traditions while doing so.
There are many however who support the Malaysians and believe that they should be backed in return for their investment in the club, in the modern-day game, this is a fair and justified approach. But for the sake of football, such drastic action must be stopped, or at the very least curbed. The changes are purely cosmetic and are yet to be realised, but very soon, the new badge will adorn Cardiff City Stadium and the red paint, maybe even the new red seats, will cover the past as quickly as the red mist to the proposals has covered the various message boards and social networking sites. For those who do support the change, take a moment to imagine the opening day of the season when Cardiff City run out at home in a red kit and a badge with no association the club you used to know. It is still Cardiff City, but sadly, its no longer your Cardiff City.- AND DON'T TRY TELLING ME OR OTHER BLUEBIRDS THAT THIS (GREAT FOOTBALL CLUB )STILL FEELS LIKE ( CCFC) you REDS killed YOUR CLUB. ----------- lads its been FUN on here for ME last season taking the piss ect,ect- but i'am out of here for good cheers boys.![]()
goodnight to you all.
![]()
Sun May 05, 2013 12:15 pm
Sun May 05, 2013 12:35 pm
englishbluebird wrote:ive seen all the regulars still going and enjoying supporting their local side this sweason to be honest
posts like this although well written ultimately reek of attention seeking
Sun May 05, 2013 12:38 pm
Sun May 05, 2013 12:40 pm
Barry Chuckle wrote:Anyone bothered to check the date?!
It's actually written nearly a year ago.
Sun May 05, 2013 1:03 pm
Sun May 05, 2013 1:08 pm
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Barry Chuckle wrote:Anyone bothered to check the date?!
It's actually written nearly a year ago.
Copied and pasted.
Sun May 05, 2013 1:16 pm
Barry Chuckle wrote:Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Barry Chuckle wrote:Anyone bothered to check the date?!
It's actually written nearly a year ago.
Copied and pasted.
Which means it was still written a long time ago.
Sun May 05, 2013 8:42 pm
taffy123 wrote:Cardiff City and controversy are rarely apart but this week the actions of the clubs Malaysian owners have sparked debate across the football world by confirming every real fans fear that the modern game has no place for the traditional principles and values that it was built upon. Through a Wednesday morning press release, the club confirmed that from next season Cardiff City will be represented by a dragon on a red shirt at the expense of the clubs familiar bluebird and blue. Ditched despite seeds of unrest planted when the motion was first mentioned a couple of weeks before, the tribal association of Cardiff City and the bluebird on their famous blue shirts now exist only in club history and fan memory, but the effects of the change offers a stark warning to fans of other clubs across the football world.
Foreign owners are a modern-day sign of the changing face of football. Although different in their general approach to the day-to-day running of their respective clubs, controversy has become the unfortunate consistent, but money talks and these often elusive figures have plenty of both money and talk. The Malaysian investors of Cardiff City have taken radical action in an attempt to stem the clubs unbalanced cash-flow with their re-branding project but few appear convinced of the realistic rewards it can bring. Tan Sri Vincent Tan and Dato Chan Tien Ghee have backed their decision in order to safeguard the short and long-term future of the club through the development of a brand that they believe will prove attractive in Asia. The projected return is significant, but the cold and calculated facts fail to add up.
The Malaysians bought into Cardiff City and inherited its traditions, its values and its fans. They did not buy a name, or a brand, they bought a proud football club that is seen as a sporting institution in the Welsh capital. Generations of fans from South Wales and beyond have supported the club over the last century, through the good times and more often the bad, and with a blinkered belief of a better future but only a future as the Cardiff City they know and love. Chairman, players and managers have come and gone and moving from Ninian Park to the new Cardiff City Stadium was an accepted sign of progress. What remained throughout was the bluebird, the badge, the colour blue. After a century of rivalry with Swansea City, the colour has been the powerful sign of allegiance, but a car-full of money-men from form the other side of the world have now decided otherwise with the click of a mouse.
Football has become a powerful business vehicle in modern times, but the Malaysians have now taken the wheel at Cardiff City, and reprogrammed the sat-nav in a completely different direction. Tian Ghee and his associates must be credited with steadying what had become increasingly sinking ship when they arrived in South Wales, but what they inherited was not a bespoke franchise that could be manipulated to their own taste, they bought into Cardiff City and that is they should work with. The colour red and the symbol of a dragon may well prove popular in Asia, it does generally prove popular in Wales (Cardiff being the current exception to the rule), but red shirts and a dragon crest do not signify Cardiff City. Football is a simple game, but as the actual 90-minute spectacle becomes increasingly irrelevant to those running it, the significance of the red shirt and dragon offer a timely reminder to how two other Welsh football institutions in similar guise currently operate
The Malaysian's have tested the faith of Cardiff City fans by removing tradition in order to market the club in Asia
Wrexham play in red and their famous crest is emblazoned with two dragons. Despite this, the club have not cornered the Asian market, in fact they have struggled to corner much of the North Wales market. Like Cardiff City however, the club have suffered their fair share of irresponsible owners and custodians. This time last year the only question on the lips of Wrexham fans was if the club would actually start the new season. Currently outside of the Football League but regularly pushing for a return at the top of the non-league pyramid, the club resolved their apparently insurmountable debts in a far more traditional way than Cardiff City. The fans rallied and raised funds to keep the club in business, the steps forward were small but sure, and twelve months later the club are preparing for another campaign in the Blue Square Premier with a much-stronger footing. There is still work to do, but the fans and the club are working as one to make the next progressive step, without alienation.
Cardiff City fans would not wish to swap Championship football for the non-league game, but after the events of this week there is a degree of jealousy of Wrexham's apparent togetherness. Wrexham have retained their tradition, and with the unequivocal backing of their fans, they have retained their club. Their identity is their brand, it will not change to fit into an emerging project on the other side of the world, it will not sell its soul for the sake of security. Over the past year Wrexham have become a modern-day football romance story as the fans passion and belief made the impossible possible and only failure to achieve promotion prevented the fairytale coming true. Cardiff City will believe that promotion to the Premier League is possible should Malky Mackay continue to fine-tune his squad, but any promotion party is already tinged, and the confetti and ribbons on provisional order are only red, not blue.
The modern-day game brings with it contrasting emotions. The excitement of the best players in the world competing against each other in magnificent stadiums is countered by the astronomical salaries paid to individuals on a weekly-basis that would prevent clubs at the other end of the pyramid from entering administration. The values of a by-gone age are lost among the elite and at the same time have been sacrificed in desperation by the unfortunate many. Money is the root of all evil, but there is a significant part of the modern game that is not ruled by finance, and it is where our next red shirt and dragon combination compete. The international stage is at the world football forefront this month as the European Championships take place, and while international football brings its own controversies, they are not caused by wages, agents or transfer fees.
The Football Association of Wales recently introduced a re-brand of their own as the traditional badge was replaced with a modern design. The dragon remained unsurprisingly prominent, but while their was resentment to the change at first, a string of victories under the late Gary Speed brought the feel-good factor back to the success-starved nation and the new badge quickly became associated with a talented and golden generation of player expected to achieve so much. International football is often criticised in comparison to the quality of the club game, but the values of players playing for their country and not for cash, for pride and not pounds, for success and not a signing-on fee, makes the international game unique in the bigger football picture.
Red shirts and the prominence of the dragon represent all that is right about Wrexham and Wales, but now, also all that is wrong about Cardiff City. The Malaysians have made the most heart-felt of changes in order to promote themselves to the markets in Asia, but the markets of Splott have turned against them. The Cantonese may seek to invest millions in the new dragon symbol, but the people of Canton who were there before, and will be there after the Malaysians, will refuse to invest in the club shop or even the turnstiles. Wrexham's strength came from their community but Cardiff City have now alienated theirs in the name of progress. There are no guarantees that the re-branding initiative will work, as many other clubs across Europe have tried with limited success to crack the mythically lucrative Asian market, but they have stayed true to their traditions while doing so.
There are many however who support the Malaysians and believe that they should be backed in return for their investment in the club, in the modern-day game, this is a fair and justified approach. But for the sake of football, such drastic action must be stopped, or at the very least curbed. The changes are purely cosmetic and are yet to be realised, but very soon, the new badge will adorn Cardiff City Stadium and the red paint, maybe even the new red seats, will cover the past as quickly as the red mist to the proposals has covered the various message boards and social networking sites. For those who do support the change, take a moment to imagine the opening day of the season when Cardiff City run out at home in a red kit and a badge with no association the club you used to know. It is still Cardiff City, but sadly, its no longer your Cardiff City.- AND DON'T TRY TELLING ME OR OTHER BLUEBIRDS THAT THIS (GREAT FOOTBALL CLUB )STILL FEELS LIKE ( CCFC) you REDS killed YOUR CLUB. ----------- lads its been FUN on here for ME last season taking the piss ect,ect- but i'am out of here for good cheers boys.![]()
goodnight to you all.
![]()
Sun May 05, 2013 9:04 pm
Sven Ghali wrote:It's all a matter of opinion...perspective...and realism![]()
Sorry to see you go, Taffy123, as you were one of the better posters on this site but you have the courage of your convictions. I respect that and I wish you well
Sun May 05, 2013 9:46 pm
Wayne S wrote:Sven Ghali wrote:It's all a matter of opinion...perspective...and realism![]()
Sorry to see you go, Taffy123, as you were one of the better posters on this site but you have the courage of your convictions. I respect that and I wish you well
Taffy thought against it and never left. He posted this back in June 2012 and bumped it today. He remained posting right the way thru.