Fans that appose the change are in a small minority

Just remember that. You are all just in a very very small minority

All this talk of boycotting home games and returning season tickets is bull shit!
Get a f*cking grip!

You're just cutting off your noses to spite your faces

There still will be 20,000+ loyal geniune Cardiff fans who will continue to watch the team from where the city they live play football and more so called 'plastic supporters' when, not if we get to the premiership

I'd prefer so called 'plastics supporters' any day of the week instead of so called fans that are prepared to turn their backs on the club that they supposedly support just because of a change in colour. A change that us being made to ensure the long term future and history of Cardiff city fc

Just remember that. You are all just in a very very small minority

All this talk of boycotting home games and returning season tickets is bull shit!
Get a f*cking grip!

You're just cutting off your noses to spite your faces

There still will be 20,000+ loyal geniune Cardiff fans who will continue to watch the team from where the city they live play football and more so called 'plastic supporters' when, not if we get to the premiership

I'd prefer so called 'plastics supporters' any day of the week instead of so called fans that are prepared to turn their backs on the club that they supposedly support just because of a change in colour. A change that us being made to ensure the long term future and history of Cardiff city fc

Totally agree although it's odd because even on this board there seems to be more vocal support against the rebranding (if you go on topics created) yet when a poll is put up the red camp romps home.

I actually admire those who stick to their priniciples and return their season tickets, although I would prefer them not to.

Whatever the argument the die is now cast and it is up to everyone to make a success of it, whilst following Carl's lead and quietly lobby for the return of the Blue shirt.

Yes they are in the minority but like last time are shouting the loudest!!!!!

They may be in a minority but they have the support of at least one Moderator who im sure will manipulate this board to reflect their views more than ours

You serious theres more against than with it

You serious theres more against than with it

Evidence ? Every poll so far has indicated between 60-80% in favour (albeit reluctantly). You may disagree but based on all the evidence so far, you are in the minority.

They may be in a minority but they have the support of at least one Moderator who im sure will manipulate this board to reflect their views more than ours

Fair minded people will make their own minds up. I have got slated for my views and scaremongering etc. at the end of the day people should and can read both sides of any debate/argument and then make their own minds up, yes what they read will have an influence, but isn't that how things work.

My view is what I believe in and what I think is the best way forward for the club, not for me, Not for Sam Hammam or Annis. I believe this is the best option and I will use everything I can to get that message out there, but that surely is what is happening from both camps. It's just that soemof us are doing it better than others (calm down its a pisstake)

Just remember that. You are all just in a very very small minority

All this talk of boycotting home games and returning season tickets is bull shit!
Get a f*cking grip!

You're just cutting off your noses to spite your faces

There still will be 20,000+ loyal geniune Cardiff fans who will continue to watch the team from where the city they live play football and more so called 'plastic supporters' when, not if we get to the premiership

I'd prefer so called 'plastics supporters' any day of the week instead of so called fans that are prepared to turn their backs on the club that they supposedly support just because of a change in colour. A change that us being made to ensure the long term future and history of Cardiff city fc

They are the minority. Have you noticed theres only a small number of posters putting alot of threads regarding the change on here

You serious theres more against than with it

Evidence ? Every poll so far has indicated between 60-80% in favour (albeit reluctantly). You may disagree but based on all the evidence so far, you are in the minority.

And to be fair what use are polls and how accurate are they?

Have a poll on this forum and take into account the people who have multiple accounts , the fans from other clubs who will vote just for a laugh to get a reaction if you really think that many are in favour I think you are badly mistaken.

If you actually asked the right question in a poll; you may get a better answer. Its not as simple as red or blue as some on here seem to think in my opinion there are 3 groups of people. The first will follow anything the malayasians say blindly , the second will accept the change as they don't see any option but would much rather stay blue. The third are totally anti red.

I am sure if you took the views of the second and third groups into account they would be much more than the first but the blackmail approach used to force this through has meant any poll result invalid.

Just remember that. You are all just in a very very small minority

All this talk of boycotting home games and returning season tickets is bull shit!
Get a f*cking grip!

You're just cutting off your noses to spite your faces

There still will be 20,000+ loyal geniune Cardiff fans who will continue to watch the team from where the city they live play football and more so called 'plastic supporters' when, not if we get to the premiership

I'd prefer so called 'plastics supporters' any day of the week instead of so called fans that are prepared to turn their backs on the club that they supposedly support just because of a change in colour. A change that us being made to ensure the long term future and history of Cardiff city fc

Complete rubbish. If you took a poll today and asked the fans if they would like to rebrand then nearly all of them would be against it. Even some of the pro reds have said that given the choice, they would prefer to stay blue. Remember that it is only because of the Malaysian blackmail of threatening to withdraw the funding that some fans have been frightened into reluctantly accepting the change.If there was a free choice then I have yet to meet anyone who would accept that crappy badge and the colour change. To state that the majority of fans are for it is not true and the correct statement should be that the majority of fans have been blackmailed into submission.
If you need to blackmail your fans every time you want to make changes then the relationship is doomed to failure.

You serious theres more against than with it

Evidence ? Every poll so far has indicated between 60-80% in favour (albeit reluctantly). You may disagree but based on all the evidence so far, you are in the minority.

And to be fair what use are polls and how accurate are they?

Have a poll on this forum and take into account the people who have multiple accounts , the fans from other clubs who will vote just for a laugh to get a reaction if you really think that many are in favour I think you are badly mistaken.

If you actually asked the right question in a poll; you may get a better answer. Its not as simple as red or blue as some on here seem to think in my opinion there are 3 groups of people. The first will follow anything the malayasians say blindly , the second will accept the change as they don't see any option but would much rather stay blue. The third are totally anti red.

I am sure if you took the views of the second and third groups into account they would be much more than the first but the blackmail approach used to force this through has meant any poll result invalid.

You mean like the questions the CCSC sent out as below:

Option 1 - Fully supportive of investment and rebranding: 355 (48%)



Option 2 - Reluctantly accept proposals to rebrand to ensure financial security: 329 (45%)



Option 3 - Not willing to accept investment under these proposals: 48 (7%)


93% in favour of 732 people who voted. I'm not saying that gives us a definitive answer but it certainly is more reliable than the statement you made with no evidence to back it up.

Or this:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82977

You mean like the questions the CCSC sent out as below:

Option 1 - Fully supportive of investment and rebranding: 355 (48%)



Option 2 - Reluctantly accept proposals to rebrand to ensure financial security: 329 (45%)



Option 3 - Not willing to accept investment under these proposals: 48 (7%)


93% in favour of 732 people who voted. I'm not saying that gives us a definitive answer but it certainly is more reliable than the statement you made with no evidence to back it up.

The reason the support is so high for the red shirt/badge, is because it was made out that the choice was either a new badge & shirt, or the Malaysians were going to pull out.

If that was the choice then of course many are going to choose the red option, but as confirmed by Whiteley this morning that was never the case.

Or even this:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footballna ... -31128609/

You mean like the questions the CCSC sent out as below:

Option 1 - Fully supportive of investment and rebranding: 355 (48%)



Option 2 - Reluctantly accept proposals to rebrand to ensure financial security: 329 (45%)



Option 3 - Not willing to accept investment under these proposals: 48 (7%)


93% in favour of 732 people who voted. I'm not saying that gives us a definitive answer but it certainly is more reliable than the statement you made with no evidence to back it up.

The reason the support is so high for the red shirt/badge, is because it was made out that the choice was either a new badge & shirt, or the Malaysians were going to pull out.

If that was the choice then of course many are going to choose the red option, but as confirmed by Whiteley this morning that was never the case.

No, that's your opinion, not fact. I have no problem in you disagreeing, the point I'm making is that the evidence, so far, is that the majority of fans are not against this, even though many, like me, have reservations.

You serious theres more against than with it

Evidence ? Every poll so far has indicated between 60-80% in favour (albeit reluctantly). You may disagree but based on all the evidence so far, you are in the minority.

And to be fair what use are polls and how accurate are they?

Have a poll on this forum and take into account the people who have multiple accounts , the fans from other clubs who will vote just for a laugh to get a reaction if you really think that many are in favour I think you are badly mistaken.

If you actually asked the right question in a poll; you may get a better answer. Its not as simple as red or blue as some on here seem to think in my opinion there are 3 groups of people. The first will follow anything the malayasians say blindly , the second will accept the change as they don't see any option but would much rather stay blue. The third are totally anti red.

I am sure if you took the views of the second and third groups into account they would be much more than the first but the blackmail approach used to force this through has meant any poll result invalid.

You mean like the questions the CCSC sent out as below:

Option 1 - Fully supportive of investment and rebranding: 355 (48%)



Option 2 - Reluctantly accept proposals to rebrand to ensure financial security: 329 (45%)



Option 3 - Not willing to accept investment under these proposals: 48 (7%)


93% in favour of 732 people who voted. I'm not saying that gives us a definitive answer but it certainly is more reliable than the statement you made with no evidence to back it up.

I read those results that 52% would have preferred to stay blue if they had a choice which the way it was portrayed by some there wasn't.

No, that's your opinion, not fact. I have no problem in you disagreeing, the point I'm making is that the evidence, so far, is that the majority of fans are not against this, even though many, like me, have reservations.

I agree that most seem to be supportive of it, but that's because they incorrectly believed the alternative was no club.

You serious theres more against than with it

Evidence ? Every poll so far has indicated between 60-80% in favour (albeit reluctantly). You may disagree but based on all the evidence so far, you are in the minority.

And to be fair what use are polls and how accurate are they?

Have a poll on this forum and take into account the people who have multiple accounts , the fans from other clubs who will vote just for a laugh to get a reaction if you really think that many are in favour I think you are badly mistaken.

If you actually asked the right question in a poll; you may get a better answer. Its not as simple as red or blue as some on here seem to think in my opinion there are 3 groups of people. The first will follow anything the malayasians say blindly , the second will accept the change as they don't see any option but would much rather stay blue. The third are totally anti red.

I am sure if you took the views of the second and third groups into account they would be much more than the first but the blackmail approach used to force this through has meant any poll result invalid.

You mean like the questions the CCSC sent out as below:

Option 1 - Fully supportive of investment and rebranding: 355 (48%)



Option 2 - Reluctantly accept proposals to rebrand to ensure financial security: 329 (45%)



Option 3 - Not willing to accept investment under these proposals: 48 (7%)


93% in favour of 732 people who voted. I'm not saying that gives us a definitive answer but it certainly is more reliable than the statement you made with no evidence to back it up.

I read those results that 52% would have preferred to stay blue if they had a choice which the way it was portrayed by some there wasn't.

As always we could interpret the results both ways. We could say that 45% would rather stay blue but will not oppose the move

The point I'm trying to make is that this is nit cut and dried either was and peoplsaying otherwise are just as guilty of making misleading statements.

You serious theres more against than with it

Evidence ? Every poll so far has indicated between 60-80% in favour (albeit reluctantly). You may disagree but based on all the evidence so far, you are in the minority.

And to be fair what use are polls and how accurate are they?

Have a poll on this forum and take into account the people who have multiple accounts , the fans from other clubs who will vote just for a laugh to get a reaction if you really think that many are in favour I think you are badly mistaken.

If you actually asked the right question in a poll; you may get a better answer. Its not as simple as red or blue as some on here seem to think in my opinion there are 3 groups of people. The first will follow anything the malayasians say blindly , the second will accept the change as they don't see any option but would much rather stay blue. The third are totally anti red.

I am sure if you took the views of the second and third groups into account they would be much more than the first but the blackmail approach used to force this through has meant any poll result invalid.

You mean like the questions the CCSC sent out as below:

Option 1 - Fully supportive of investment and rebranding: 355 (48%)



Option 2 - Reluctantly accept proposals to rebrand to ensure financial security: 329 (45%)



Option 3 - Not willing to accept investment under these proposals: 48 (7%)


93% in favour of 732 people who voted. I'm not saying that gives us a definitive answer but it certainly is more reliable than the statement you made with no evidence to back it up.

If you add the the reluctants with the definate no vote then you can see that this will form the majority of views. The reluctants do not really want to change but have been bullied into it. We must all now stop believing that we all welcome this change because clearly this is not the case. I am sure that even the fans who reluctantly accepted the change deep down have a little resentment over being coerced into that position.

I've said previously that I think no one is pro-red , but can't see an alternative.

I do wish VT had waited a year though , if we'd seen his investment , the proof of his commitment and maybe his plans for Asia first then maybe we'd all like it a little bit more. As I say , none of us like it , but some (like me) see no alternative. I'd prefer to campaign for a change back to blue from within , as a supporter , than to walk away.

Just my opinion.

You serious theres more against than with it

Evidence ? Every poll so far has indicated between 60-80% in favour (albeit reluctantly). You may disagree but based on all the evidence so far, you are in the minority.

And to be fair what use are polls and how accurate are they?

Have a poll on this forum and take into account the people who have multiple accounts , the fans from other clubs who will vote just for a laugh to get a reaction if you really think that many are in favour I think you are badly mistaken.

If you actually asked the right question in a poll; you may get a better answer. Its not as simple as red or blue as some on here seem to think in my opinion there are 3 groups of people. The first will follow anything the malayasians say blindly , the second will accept the change as they don't see any option but would much rather stay blue. The third are totally anti red.

I am sure if you took the views of the second and third groups into account they would be much more than the first but the blackmail approach used to force this through has meant any poll result invalid.

You mean like the questions the CCSC sent out as below:

Option 1 - Fully supportive of investment and rebranding: 355 (48%)



Option 2 - Reluctantly accept proposals to rebrand to ensure financial security: 329 (45%)



Option 3 - Not willing to accept investment under these proposals: 48 (7%)


93% in favour of 732 people who voted. I'm not saying that gives us a definitive answer but it certainly is more reliable than the statement you made with no evidence to back it up.

I read those results that 52% would have preferred to stay blue if they had a choice which the way it was portrayed by some there wasn't.

As always we could interpret the results both ways. We could say that 45% would rather stay blue but will not oppose the move

The point I'm trying to make is that this is nit cut and dried either was and peoplsaying otherwise are just as guilty of making misleading statements.

A lot of people didn't want to express their opposition to the rebranding due to the scare tactics used that the malaysians will pull out the club will go into admin etc etc etc that we have been hearing for weeks. Whilst others went into arse kissing overdrive at the thought of investment and went grovelling to the malaysians hence this turn around.

A lot of fans arguing the red point have to answer this question honestly if the question had been asked about going red without any hint of the investment coming in or the malaysians pulling out do you really think there would have been support for it?

You serious theres more against than with it

Evidence ? Every poll so far has indicated between 60-80% in favour (albeit reluctantly). You may disagree but based on all the evidence so far, you are in the minority.

And to be fair what use are polls and how accurate are they?

Have a poll on this forum and take into account the people who have multiple accounts , the fans from other clubs who will vote just for a laugh to get a reaction if you really think that many are in favour I think you are badly mistaken.

If you actually asked the right question in a poll; you may get a better answer. Its not as simple as red or blue as some on here seem to think in my opinion there are 3 groups of people. The first will follow anything the malayasians say blindly , the second will accept the change as they don't see any option but would much rather stay blue. The third are totally anti red.

I am sure if you took the views of the second and third groups into account they would be much more than the first but the blackmail approach used to force this through has meant any poll result invalid.

You mean like the questions the CCSC sent out as below:

Option 1 - Fully supportive of investment and rebranding: 355 (48%)



Option 2 - Reluctantly accept proposals to rebrand to ensure financial security: 329 (45%)



Option 3 - Not willing to accept investment under these proposals: 48 (7%)


93% in favour of 732 people who voted. I'm not saying that gives us a definitive answer but it certainly is more reliable than the statement you made with no evidence to back it up.

If you add the the reluctants with the definate no vote then you can see that this will form the majority of views. The reluctants do not really want to change but have been bullied into it. We must all now stop believing that we all welcome this change because clearly this is not the case. I am sure that even the fans who reluctantly accepted the change deep down have a little resentment over being coerced into that position.

I absolutely agree with you

But "reluctantly accepting" is far from "opposing" as has been made out by other posters and many would argue about the words "coerced" or "bullied" being used rather than "persuaded by one side of the argument despite reservations".

re·luc·tant
   [ri-luhk-tuhnt] Show IPA
adjective
1.
unwilling; disinclined: a reluctant candidate.
2.
struggling in opposition.
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Origin:
1655–65; < Latin reluctant- (stem of reluctāns ), present participle of reluctārī. See reluct, -ant

Related forms
re·luc·tant·ly, adverb
half-re·luc·tant, adjective
half-re·luc·tant·ly, adverb
un·re·luc·tant, adjective
un·re·luc·tant·ly, adverb

Can be confused:  1. reluctant, reticent (see synonym note at the current entry ); 2. reticent, reluctant .

Synonyms
1. Reluctant, loath, averse describe disinclination toward something. Reluctant implies some sort of mental struggle, as between disinclination and sense of duty: reluctant to expel students. Loath describes extreme disinclination: loath to part from a friend. Averse, used with to and a noun or a gerund, describes a long-held dislike or unwillingness, though not a particularly strong feeling: averse to an idea; averse to getting up early.

Antonyms
1. willing.

From dictionary.com seems to me the reluctant acceptance seems more like opposing than in agreement with

re·luc·tant
   [ri-luhk-tuhnt] Show IPA
adjective
1.
unwilling; disinclined: a reluctant candidate.
2.
struggling in opposition.
Dictionary.com Free Toolbar Dictionary.com Define Reluctant Instantly. Faster Page Loads With Fewer Ads.
Ad
Origin:
1655–65; < Latin reluctant- (stem of reluctāns ), present participle of reluctārī. See reluct, -ant

Related forms
re·luc·tant·ly, adverb
half-re·luc·tant, adjective
half-re·luc·tant·ly, adverb
un·re·luc·tant, adjective
un·re·luc·tant·ly, adverb

Can be confused:  1. reluctant, reticent (see synonym note at the current entry ); 2. reticent, reluctant .

Synonyms
1. Reluctant, loath, averse describe disinclination toward something. Reluctant implies some sort of mental struggle, as between disinclination and sense of duty: reluctant to expel students. Loath describes extreme disinclination: loath to part from a friend. Averse, used with to and a noun or a gerund, describes a long-held dislike or unwillingness, though not a particularly strong feeling: averse to an idea; averse to getting up early.

Antonyms
1. willing.

From dictionary.com seems to me the reluctant acceptance seems more like opposing than in agreement with

I bow to your research

I think we can agree that the devil is in the detail, whichever way you look at it

You serious theres more against than with it

Evidence ? Every poll so far has indicated between 60-80% in favour (albeit reluctantly). You may disagree but based on all the evidence so far, you are in the minority.

And to be fair what use are polls and how accurate are they?

Have a poll on this forum and take into account the people who have multiple accounts , the fans from other clubs who will vote just for a laugh to get a reaction if you really think that many are in favour I think you are badly mistaken.

If you actually asked the right question in a poll; you may get a better answer. Its not as simple as red or blue as some on here seem to think in my opinion there are 3 groups of people. The first will follow anything the malayasians say blindly , the second will accept the change as they don't see any option but would much rather stay blue. The third are totally anti red.

I am sure if you took the views of the second and third groups into account they would be much more than the first but the blackmail approach used to force this through has meant any poll result invalid.

I have seen some crap posted but that really takes the buscuit. Nearly everyone who is in favour of the change falls into catagory 2 but some how you have hi-jacked them into opposing change for your own ends

The question is simple, you are either in favour or against and so far every poll has shown the majority of fans in favour.

I have seen some crap posted but that really takes the buscuit. Nearly everyone who is in favour of the change falls into catagory 2 but some how you have hi-jacked them into opposing change for your own ends

The question is simple, you are either in favour or against and so far every poll has shown the majority of fans in favour.

Why are you in favour of the change to red? Is it because (like many) you don't see an alternative?

I have seen some crap posted but that really takes the buscuit. Nearly everyone who is in favour of the change falls into catagory 2 but some how you have hi-jacked them into opposing change for your own ends

The question is simple, you are either in favour or against and so far every poll has shown the majority of fans in favour.

Why are you in favour of the change to red? Is it because (like many) you don't see an alternative?

Yes

Just remember that. You are all just in a very very small minority

All this talk of boycotting home games and returning season tickets is bull shit!
Get a f*cking grip!

You're just cutting off your noses to spite your faces

There still will be 20,000+ loyal geniune Cardiff fans who will continue to watch the team from where the city they live play football and more so called 'plastic supporters' when, not if we get to the premiership

I'd prefer so called 'plastics supporters' any day of the week instead of so called fans that are prepared to turn their backs on the club that they supposedly support just because of a change in colour. A change that us being made to ensure the long term future and history of Cardiff city fc

Don't start talking about cutting noses off, it may not end there!

You serious theres more against than with it

Evidence ? Every poll so far has indicated between 60-80% in favour (albeit reluctantly). You may disagree but based on all the evidence so far, you are in the minority.

And to be fair what use are polls and how accurate are they?

Have a poll on this forum and take into account the people who have multiple accounts , the fans from other clubs who will vote just for a laugh to get a reaction if you really think that many are in favour I think you are badly mistaken.

If you actually asked the right question in a poll; you may get a better answer. Its not as simple as red or blue as some on here seem to think in my opinion there are 3 groups of people. The first will follow anything the malayasians say blindly , the second will accept the change as they don't see any option but would much rather stay blue. The third are totally anti red.

I am sure if you took the views of the second and third groups into account they would be much more than the first but the blackmail approach used to force this through has meant any poll result invalid.

I have seen some crap posted but that really takes the buscuit. Nearly everyone who is in favour of the change falls into catagory 2 but some how you have hi-jacked them into opposing change for your own ends

The question is simple, you are either in favour or against and so far every poll has shown the majority of fans in favour.

Lets simplify this as you obviosuly don't get it as every post I have seen from you is pretty much the same.

If someone held a gun to your head and asked whether you wanted them to pull the trigger or not what would you say?

Exactly the same thing tbh it was never a straightforward yes / no issue and you well know it.

Just remember that. You are all just in a very very small minority

All this talk of boycotting home games and returning season tickets is bull shit!
Get a f*cking grip!

You're just cutting off your noses to spite your faces

There still will be 20,000+ loyal geniune Cardiff fans who will continue to watch the team from where the city they live play football and more so called 'plastic supporters' when, not if we get to the premiership

I'd prefer so called 'plastics supporters' any day of the week instead of so called fans that are prepared to turn their backs on the club that they supposedly support just because of a change in colour. A change that us being made to ensure the long term future and history of Cardiff city fc

Don't start talking about cutting noses off, it may not end there!

Where will it end then ?