" TRUST AND HONOUR "

MAY 10th 2012

The club’s Malaysian owners have decided Cardiff will continue to play in their traditional colours of blue.

Proposals to change the club badge from a bluebird to a red Welsh dragon have also been thrown out.

The Malaysians have performed their U-turn following criticism from fans and Welsh Assembly members about what they saw as the club’s proud heritage being thrown away.

1--- The trust has gone and there is no honour.

2---Before the Pro Reds have a go at me, Im entitled to my opinion. Respect it or grow up.

3---The badge & kit is cheap and it has made us a laughing stock within football

4--- I dont believe for one minute that the answer to our problems is simply turn red and its NOT about securing Cardiff City's future, its all about how much money they can make off us.

5---What happens to us when they have bled us dry, when there is no further profit to be made from CCFC, what then....?

6--- To hell with you Im a BLUEBIRD and always will be a bluebird, I will not "Cow down" to you, your red beliefs and your dictatorial ways. I will stand with my grandson as I did with my grandfather and scream out with pride BLUEBIRDS, BLUEBIRDS, BLUEBIRDS, BLUEBIRDS, BLUEBIRDS. I feel sad for you Mr. Tan for not understanding what this means

7--- Not my fault you're too poor to buy Man UTD, Mr Tan. Don't take it out on my club.

7--- Not my fault you're too poor to buy Man UTD, Mr Tan. Don't take it out on my club.

That made me spit out my corn flakes

7--- Not my fault you're too poor to buy Man UTD, Mr Tan. Don't take it out on my club.

That made me spit out my corn flakes

I know but it could be true. We have the same kit as them so bring on the Welsh Man UTD. (Sad to say will be defeated by Swansea, Wrexham and Newport for a couple of seasons but the rest CCFC will win).

There is honour in listening to the majority and a majority of Cardiff fans are in favour of the overall rebranding package.

There is honour in listening to the majority and a majority of Cardiff fans are in favour of the overall rebranding package.

Thats a matter of opinion Tone

There is honour in listening to the majority and a majority of Cardiff fans are in favour of the overall rebranding package.

Thats a matter of opinion Tone

Everything is a matter of opinion Rich but there is superficial (admittedly) evidence (Polls carried out on several message boards and WalesOnLine plus hundreds of letters and emails in support) which indicate a majority in favour of change, providing it secures the future of Cardiff City.

Given that TG has done nothing dishonourable by coming back and acting on those wishes, in my opinion.

There is honour in listening to the majority and a majority of Cardiff fans are in favour of the overall rebranding package.

Thats a matter of opinion Tone

Everything is a matter of opinion Rich but there is superficial (admittedly) evidence (Polls carried out on several message boards and WalesOnLine plus hundreds of letters and emails in support) which indicate a majority in favour of change, providing it secures the future of Cardiff City.

Given that TG has done nothing dishonourable by coming back and acting on those wishes, in my opinion.

Ok fair point mate but Id wonder if that poll was taken on a home match day by attending fans how the result would have panned out, which I think would have been a more honest view. Any Tom, Dick or Harry could have voted online, from any club.

There is honour in listening to the majority and a majority of Cardiff fans are in favour of the overall rebranding package.

the majority are not in favour of change. the majority are in favour of securing the clubs future which unfortunately comes with a change of kit colour.

The two statements are miles apart.

I am favour and playing in blue but appreciate that we won't get the investment needed without a change to red. I am most certainly not in favour of changing to red and never will be. But appreciate that its a condition of the investment that we really do need.

There is honour in listening to the majority and a majority of Cardiff fans are in favour of the overall rebranding package.

Thats a matter of opinion Tone

Everything is a matter of opinion Rich but there is superficial (admittedly) evidence (Polls carried out on several message boards and WalesOnLine plus hundreds of letters and emails in support) which indicate a majority in favour of change, providing it secures the future of Cardiff City.

Given that TG has done nothing dishonourable by coming back and acting on those wishes, in my opinion.

plus the 25k who sihned the petition against..

There is honour in listening to the majority and a majority of Cardiff fans are in favour of the overall rebranding package.

Thats a matter of opinion Tone

Everything is a matter of opinion Rich but there is superficial (admittedly) evidence (Polls carried out on several message boards and WalesOnLine plus hundreds of letters and emails in support) which indicate a majority in favour of change, providing it secures the future of Cardiff City.

Given that TG has done nothing dishonourable by coming back and acting on those wishes, in my opinion.

plus the 25k who sihned the petition against..

and they were all city fans???? get real its same as saying that the fans polls saying for change wasnt all city fans as said on here majority dont like the changes but see that without investment whats left?? so agree for sake of club that seems to be the conscensors now

There is honour in listening to the majority and a majority of Cardiff fans are in favour of the overall rebranding package.

Thats a matter of opinion Tone

Everything is a matter of opinion Rich but there is superficial (admittedly) evidence (Polls carried out on several message boards and WalesOnLine plus hundreds of letters and emails in support) which indicate a majority in favour of change, providing it secures the future of Cardiff City.

Given that TG has done nothing dishonourable by coming back and acting on those wishes, in my opinion.

plus the 25k who sihned the petition against..

and they were all city fans???? get real its same as saying that the fans polls saying for change wasnt all city fans as said on here majority dont like the changes but see that without investment whats left?? so agree for sake of club that seems to be the conscensors now

No, I don't believe there has been anuwhere near the level of consensus gained from proper consultation. There hasn't been proper consultation! The owners were never going anywhere, the 1.2million we have allegedly been losing every month is mostly interest on what the club owe the Malaysians! Can you not see that this is potentially becoming another Sam Hammam type situation only ten times worse!

We rolled over under Sam and we've done something worse than rolling over this time...

The colour change, the badge change, makes NO difference to their marketing strategy yet a large portion of our support have just blindly accepted it without asking the simplest, most basic of questions about....

why are we losing so much money? why do we NEED to change our badge/nicname/colour and eventually the seating/stadium colour (it will happen seeing as we'll be playing in red); why not consult given that this was all planned a year ago? why handle it in a way that was always going to split the support? why not invest in January? why do we owe THREE times as much money now compaired to two years ago? what is that money secured against? If they were going to convert ALL that debt into equity why hasn't that been done already? What's happening with the PMG debt? Ray Ranson?

I hope I'm wrong but it feels like we've been down this path before...It's just that trust thing...its no longer there is it?

jump, how high sir? CCFC

There is honour in listening to the majority and a majority of Cardiff fans are in favour of the overall rebranding package.

Thats a matter of opinion Tone

Everything is a matter of opinion Rich but there is superficial (admittedly) evidence (Polls carried out on several message boards and WalesOnLine plus hundreds of letters and emails in support) which indicate a majority in favour of change, providing it secures the future of Cardiff City.

Given that TG has done nothing dishonourable by coming back and acting on those wishes, in my opinion.

Ok fair point mate but Id wonder if that poll was taken on a home match day by attending fans how the result would have panned out, which I think would have been a more honest view. Any Tom, Dick or Harry could have voted online, from any club.

Ok, although I post on here from time to time, and yes sometimes have a bit of banter, I haven't written one word on this subject because quite frankly it's serious stuff and nothing do with a jack! And I wont start giving my views or opinions now as it has nothing to do with me whatsoever. No matter what my views are I dont feel I have any right too view them on any Cardiff or indeed Swansea messageboard. But I will say this with regard to your online poll. I work in a very large establishment in Swansea (several hundred), and virtually every Swansea fan I have spoken too has stated that they voted for the rebranding just for a laugh, so make of that what you will. Good luck guys!

There is honour in listening to the majority and a majority of Cardiff fans are in favour of the overall rebranding package.

Thats a matter of opinion Tone

Everything is a matter of opinion Rich but there is superficial (admittedly) evidence (Polls carried out on several message boards and WalesOnLine plus hundreds of letters and emails in support) which indicate a majority in favour of change, providing it secures the future of Cardiff City.

Given that TG has done nothing dishonourable by coming back and acting on those wishes, in my opinion.

plus the 25k who sihned the petition against..

and they were all city fans???? get real its same as saying that the fans polls saying for change wasnt all city fans as said on here majority dont like the changes but see that without investment whats left?? so agree for sake of club that seems to be the conscensors now

No, I don't believe there has been anuwhere near the level of consensus gained from proper consultation. There hasn't been proper consultation! The owners were never going anywhere, the 1.2million we have allegedly been losing every month is mostly interest on what the club owe the Malaysians! Can you not see that this is potentially becoming another Sam Hammam type situation only ten times worse!

We rolled over under Sam and we've done something worse than rolling over this time...

The colour change, the badge change, makes NO difference to their marketing strategy yet a large portion of our support have just blindly accepted it without asking the simplest, most basic of questions about....

why are we losing so much money? why do we NEED to change our badge/nicname/colour and eventually the seating/stadium colour (it will happen seeing as we'll be playing in red); why not consult given that this was all planned a year ago? why handle it in a way that was always going to split the support? why not invest in January? why do we owe THREE times as much money now compaired to two years ago? what is that money secured against? If they were going to convert ALL that debt into equity why hasn't that been done already? What's happening with the PMG debt? Ray Ranson?

I hope I'm wrong but it feels like we've been down this path before...It's just that trust thing...its no longer there is it?

You nailed it fella - these are not huge operational losses. Accounting losses on debt owed to them If it was operational losses we would properly be shafted.

Absolutely no proper consultation in this. Makes we wonder why I bother with the trust. My percpection of their role is to act as an intermediary between club and board and get over the concerns of the fanbase. Although not kicking off for a quid a month on that front !

There is honour in listening to the majority and a majority of Cardiff fans are in favour of the overall rebranding package.

Thats a matter of opinion Tone

Everything is a matter of opinion Rich but there is superficial (admittedly) evidence (Polls carried out on several message boards and WalesOnLine plus hundreds of letters and emails in support) which indicate a majority in favour of change, providing it secures the future of Cardiff City.

Given that TG has done nothing dishonourable by coming back and acting on those wishes, in my opinion.

Ok fair point mate but Id wonder if that poll was taken on a home match day by attending fans how the result would have panned out, which I think would have been a more honest view. Any Tom, Dick or Harry could have voted online, from any club.

Ok, although I post on here from time to time, and yes sometimes have a bit of banter, I haven't written one word on this subject because quite frankly it's serious stuff and nothing do with a jack! And I wont start giving my views or opinions now as it has nothing to do with me whatsoever. No matter what my views are I dont feel I have any right too view them on any Cardiff or indeed Swansea messageboard. But I will say this with regard to your online poll. I work in a very large establishment in Swansea (several hundred), and virtually every Swansea fan I have spoken too has stated that they voted for the rebranding just for a laugh, so make of that what you will. Good luck guys!

This is easily feasible and the point I was making to get a true vote is to poll those entering CCS, surely that would have been the most fairest way.