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What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:46 pm

For me it would be a re-naming like MK Dons. A kit change and badge I can live with, the history is still there, it is only the perception that changes

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:49 pm

Stop antagonizing older fans.

Delete this mods.

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Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:49 pm

The Lad wrote:For me it would be a re-naming like MK Dons. A kit change and badge I can live with, the history is still there, it is only the perception that changes

exactly the same, the name of the club is on the trophies we won, not the colour! :ayatollah:

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:50 pm

Bluebird since 1948 wrote:Stop antagonizing older fans.

Delete this mods.

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I'm not. Just asking.

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:50 pm

CalShepCCFC wrote:
The Lad wrote:For me it would be a re-naming like MK Dons. A kit change and badge I can live with, the history is still there, it is only the perception that changes

exactly the same, the name of the club is on the trophies we won, not the colour! :ayatollah:


:ayatollah:

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:51 pm

CalShepCCFC wrote:
The Lad wrote:For me it would be a re-naming like MK Dons. A kit change and badge I can live with, the history is still there, it is only the perception that changes

exactly the same, the name of the club is on the trophies we won, not the colour! :ayatollah:

Yeah, this.

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:52 pm

Manchester City are an excellent example of identity change without changing anything but the stadium name and playing staff. :old:

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:56 pm

Didn't Sam Hammam want to re locate Wimbledon FC to Dublin, or even South Wales [Cardiff] in the 90's?

Now thats what i call an identity change. Moving a football club hundreds of miles from its historical base to a completely "foreign" location. That scenario i just couldn't tolerate.

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:56 pm

The name of the club!!! That's were I would draw the line. Its not only the name of my club but the name of the city I was born and bread in! I'd see any change in the name of my club as an insult to my city aswell as the football club.

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:58 pm

The Lad wrote:For me it would be a re-naming like MK Dons. A kit change and badge I can live with, the history is still there, it is only the perception that changes


What history do City have in playing in red?

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:01 pm

lolwut

I was referring to our history in blue

and we could make history in red with their funding you know

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:03 pm

The Lad wrote:lolwut

I was referring to our history in blue

and we could make history in red with their funding you know


Don't bother, they wont understand. :roll:

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:09 pm

The Lad wrote:lolwut

I was referring to our history in blue

and we could make history in red with their funding you know


"Lolwut" I had to google that! :old:

Seriously though, isn't the colour part of the history and identity of the club?

They cold make a history whilst wearing Red, whilst being called Cardiff Dragons (in the future).

TG and his advisers have obviously done their marketing homework in Asia and thus are aiming for that market in detriment to history, identity and heritage.

Best of luck to them and all that want/need to support them in their business venture.

Personally, I won't.

Regards.

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:11 pm

Jordi Culé wrote:
The Lad wrote:lolwut

I was referring to our history in blue

and we could make history in red with their funding you know


"Lolwut" I had to google that! :old:

Seriously though, isn't the colour part of the history and identity of the club?

They cold make a history whilst wearing Red, whilst being called Cardiff Dragons (in the future).

TG and his advisers have obviously done their marketing homework in Asia and thus are aiming for that market in detriment to history, identity and heritage.

Best of luck to them and all that want/need to support them in their business venture.

Personally, I won't.

Regards.

It is only a small part, the passion that seized the day ;) and results matter in the history books. Now how we look. More likely we stay as Cardiff City anyway. Although yeah under a new name history wouldn't matter IMO.

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:12 pm

Jordi Culé wrote:
The Lad wrote:lolwut

I was referring to our history in blue

and we could make history in red with their funding you know


"Lolwut" I had to google that! :old:

Seriously though, isn't the colour part of the history and identity of the club?

They cold make a history whilst wearing Red, whilst being called Cardiff Dragons (in the future).

TG and his advisers have obviously done their marketing homework in Asia and thus are aiming for that market in detriment to history, identity and heritage.

Best of luck to them and all that want/need to support them in their business venture.

Personally, I won't.

Regards.


Blue is part of our history in what we achieved but not our identity. :ayatollah:

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:15 pm

The Lad wrote:For me it would be a re-naming like MK Dons. A kit change and badge I can live with, the history is still there, it is only the perception that changes

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:25 pm

Bridgend_bluebird wrote:
Jordi Culé wrote:
The Lad wrote:lolwut

I was referring to our history in blue

and we could make history in red with their funding you know


"Lolwut" I had to google that! :old:

Seriously though, isn't the colour part of the history and identity of the club?

They cold make a history whilst wearing Red, whilst being called Cardiff Dragons (in the future).

TG and his advisers have obviously done their marketing homework in Asia and thus are aiming for that market in detriment to history, identity and heritage.

Best of luck to them and all that want/need to support them in their business venture.

Personally, I won't.

Regards.


Blue is part of our history in what we achieved but not our identity. :ayatollah:


Hmm...

So the identity of the club hasn't been eroded by having a Welsh flag/insignia taken off for 'Malaysia' to be emblazoned across the shirt?

The colour change to attract future potential 'fans' in Malaysia isn't another erosion of identity?

The threat that the 100 million quid isn't invested unless TG gets his own way isn't an attack on the identity of the club?

TG played a blinder here.

Best of luck to him and all who support his business venture.

I'll prefer keeping my dignity intact and remember the FOOTBALL club I used to support

Regards..

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:27 pm

Why can't we be like Manchester City?

:old:

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:31 pm

The Lad wrote:For me it would be a re-naming like MK Dons. A kit change and badge I can live with, the history is still there, it is only the perception that changes


Go ask the same question to Man U fans on thier forum if you asked them to play in green next season with a new badge and dropped their nickname and see what response you get.

That will enlighten you somewhat ;)

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:34 pm

It's funny that cos I asked 5 jocks tonight to say the first thing that comes into their heads when I say Cardiff City, 4 said Bluebirds and the other shouted Blue army.

Most people identify the club through the use of blue, hence blue being a big part of the identity of the club. If you can't see that then I really do believe you are being swayed by the £££ signs. If it really is all about the cash and Premier League to some then you might be following the wrong club!

The figures still don't add up long term IMO but we'll see what they have to say in the morning. I've said since day one that I am open to the idea of change in the name of progression, but so far all I've seen are if's, buts & maybes and for me, that ain't good enough just now.

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:35 pm

djwayne wrote:
The Lad wrote:For me it would be a re-naming like MK Dons. A kit change and badge I can live with, the history is still there, it is only the perception that changes


Go ask the same question to Man U fans on thier forum if you asked them to play in green next season with a new badge and dropped their nickname and see what response you get.

That will enlighten you somewhat ;)

Yeah but they are just glory chasing goons. They wouldn't care if Fergie kept giving them trophy after trophy

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:36 pm

djwayne wrote:
The Lad wrote:For me it would be a re-naming like MK Dons. A kit change and badge I can live with, the history is still there, it is only the perception that changes


Go ask the same question to Man U fans on thier forum if you asked them to play in green next season with a new badge and dropped their nickname and see what response you get.

That will enlighten you somewhat ;)


What do you mean on "their" forum there are plenty of f*cking Man yoo glory boys on this forum ask them.

:old: :old:

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:37 pm

Jordi Culé wrote:
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:
Jordi Culé wrote:
The Lad wrote:lolwut

I was referring to our history in blue

and we could make history in red with their funding you know


"Lolwut" I had to google that! :old:

Seriously though, isn't the colour part of the history and identity of the club?

They cold make a history whilst wearing Red, whilst being called Cardiff Dragons (in the future).

TG and his advisers have obviously done their marketing homework in Asia and thus are aiming for that market in detriment to history, identity and heritage.

Best of luck to them and all that want/need to support them in their business venture.

Personally, I won't.

Regards.


Blue is part of our history in what we achieved but not our identity. :ayatollah:


Hmm...

So the identity of the club hasn't been eroded by having a Welsh flag/insignia taken off for 'Malaysia' to be emblazoned across the shirt?

The colour change to attract future potential 'fans' in Malaysia isn't another erosion of identity?

The threat that the 100 million quid isn't invested unless TG gets his own way isn't an attack on the identity of the club?

TG played a blinder here.

Best of luck to him and all who support his business venture.

I'll prefer keeping my dignity intact and remember the FOOTBALL club I used to support

Regards..


The malaysia across the shirt is the sponsor

The 100m is not an attack on identity but a means for the club to survive and flourish in the future.

Identity is more than just a shirt colour. It starts with the fans and we only have to change our attitude and not who we are

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:37 pm

The Lad wrote:
djwayne wrote:
The Lad wrote:For me it would be a re-naming like MK Dons. A kit change and badge I can live with, the history is still there, it is only the perception that changes


Go ask the same question to Man U fans on thier forum if you asked them to play in green next season with a new badge and dropped their nickname and see what response you get.

That will enlighten you somewhat ;)

Yeah but they are just glory chasing goons. They wouldn't care if Fergie kept giving them trophy after trophy


And you just summed up in that statement why some people are only too happy to accept red "glory hunters" nothing more.

Re: What constitutes an identity change for you?

Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:39 pm

djwayne wrote:
The Lad wrote:
djwayne wrote:
The Lad wrote:For me it would be a re-naming like MK Dons. A kit change and badge I can live with, the history is still there, it is only the perception that changes


Go ask the same question to Man U fans on thier forum if you asked them to play in green next season with a new badge and dropped their nickname and see what response you get.

That will enlighten you somewhat ;)

Yeah but they are just glory chasing goons. They wouldn't care if Fergie kept giving them trophy after trophy


And you just summed up in that statement why some people are only too happy to accept red "glory hunters" nothing more.

Modern football though innit. Its all about results and this exploits that and gives us a chance at what really matters today. Not approving or disapproving it, just looking at it.