Well seeing as weve got all this investment coming

Then lets go get the following:

Charlie Austin
Jordan Rhodes
Simeon Jackson
Jay Bothroyd
Will Buckley
Keith Andrews
Raheem Sterling (Loan)
Chris Gunter
Steven Caulker

Then lets go get the following:

Charlie Austin
Jordan Rhodes
Simeon Jackson
Jay Bothroyd
Will Buckley
Keith Andrews
Raheem Sterling (Loan)
Chris Gunter
Steven Caulker

Hang on we need plans to change our stadium to a 35k seater first
They're feckin clueless.

NO, we need to build a new training ground first. Something that could cost more than actually renting as we do now.

Oh, but they're billionaires, they know what they are doing. Like the Venkys. Or Allan Stafford.

NO, we need to build a new training ground first. Something that could cost more than actually renting as we do now.

Oh, but they're billionaires, they know what they are doing. Like the Venkys. Or Allan Stafford.

Allan f*cking Stafford

I think we should pump another 1.2million in to the next big thing to come out of malaysia 1st like last year, that will get us promoted on the pitch im sure

We should adopt the flag of China for our home matches

NO, we need to build a new training ground first. Something that could cost more than actually renting as we do now.

Something that could also be used as an income stream long term.

Which would cost less than renting long term.

Which we'd control and be able to tailor, upgrade as required. Long term.

NO, we need to build a new training ground first. Something that could cost more than actually renting as we do now.

Something that could also be used as an income stream long term.

Which would cost less than renting long term.

Which we'd control and be able to tailor, upgrade as required. Long term.

All true, whatever you think about changing colour, surely investing in our own training facilities/stadium is a wise move. Long term the best thing for City is investing wisely, we've got a good ambitious young manager, the nucleus of a decent squad, a new stadium, a good youth academy etc. Things are gradually getting better for this club, and it's clear to me that the current owners want to go the whole way. Hopefully they can achieve it while staying in blue at home, if not and the colour change is essential to the plans then I will grudgingly accept it and hope that it will change back son enough.

Say what you want about the Malaysians but they are clearly not stupid people, you don't get to Vincent Tans position by constantly getting thing wrong.

polo great post as allways...spot on with the players bring back boothroyd class player

NO, we need to build a new training ground first. Something that could cost more than actually renting as we do now.

Something that could also be used as an income stream long term.

Which would cost less than renting long term.

Which we'd control and be able to tailor, upgrade as required. Long term.

Say what you want about the Malaysians but they are clearly not stupid people, you don't get to Vincent Tans position by constantly getting thing wrong.

Very true. I mean, look at the Venkys.

NO, we need to build a new training ground first. Something that could cost more than actually renting as we do now.

Something that could also be used as an income stream long term.

Which would cost less than renting long term.

Which we'd control and be able to tailor, upgrade as required. Long term.

Say what you want about the Malaysians but they are clearly not stupid people, you don't get to Vincent Tans position by constantly getting thing wrong.

Very true. I mean, look at the Venkys.

The only similarity I can see between Venkys and Vincent Tan is that they are both foreign investors into football clubs. Until now the Malaysians have been nothing but good for CCFC. And time will tell what's around the corner.

Say what you want about the Malaysians but they are clearly not stupid people, you don't get to Vincent Tans position by constantly getting thing wrong.

I agree with you that one can hardly doubt their commercial experience and talent, but that doesn't mean that they're capable of running a football club.
I don't know how it works out in the UK, but here on the mainland we've seen shitloads of those management-type cunts coming to a football club and starting to talk about 'running the club like a company'.
It can't be done.
A football club is not a normal business and succes in the commercial world doesn't mean you'll succeed in running a football club, quite the contrary actually.
They're whole armies of these 'cocks in suits' walking around in Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium and they're responsible of putting wonderful clubs in massive debt, leaving the ruins and handing over to the city and supporters a nearly destroyed local football club.

Succeeding in business doesn't mean you're capable of running a football club, facts show us again and again that a business approach in fact is most likely to drive a club to the edge of the cliff.

NO, we need to build a new training ground first. Something that could cost more than actually renting as we do now.

Something that could also be used as an income stream long term.

Which would cost less than renting long term.

Which we'd control and be able to tailor, upgrade as required. Long term.

Say what you want about the Malaysians but they are clearly not stupid people, you don't get to Vincent Tans position by constantly getting thing wrong.

Very true. I mean, look at the Venkys.

Venkys = one business.

How many business sectors do Berjaya operate in?

To even compare Tan and Venkys on a business scale is silly, tbh.

Money for players and you want Chris Gunter

Say what you want about the Malaysians but they are clearly not stupid people, you don't get to Vincent Tans position by constantly getting thing wrong.

I agree with you that one can hardly doubt their commercial experience and talent, but that doesn't mean that they're capable of running a football club.
I don't know how it works out in the UK, but here on the mainland we've seen shitloads of those management-type cunts coming to a football club and starting to talk about 'running the club like a company'.
It can't be done.
A football club is not a normal business and succes in the commercial world doesn't mean you'll succeed in running a football club, quite the contrary actually.
They're whole armies of these 'cocks in suits' walking around in Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium and they're responsible of putting wonderful clubs in massive debt, leaving the ruins and handing over to the city and supporters a nearly destroyed local football club.

Succeeding in business doesn't mean you're capable of running a football club, facts show us again and again that a business approach in fact is most likely to drive a club to the edge of the cliff.

Errm, seriously? You're blaming all football mismanagement on "management type cunts"? Seriously?

People seem to have an unerring belief football clubs aren't private companies whatsoever and should thus be magically immune to all good practices.

fans expectations, ie spend squillions and not worry about how to actually pay for it fucks clubs up more.

NO, we need to build a new training ground first. Something that could cost more than actually renting as we do now.

Something that could also be used as an income stream long term.

Which would cost less than renting long term.

Which we'd control and be able to tailor, upgrade as required. Long term.

Say what you want about the Malaysians but they are clearly not stupid people, you don't get to Vincent Tans position by constantly getting thing wrong.

Very true. I mean, look at the Venkys.

The only similarity I can see between Venkys and Vincent Tan is that they are both foreign investors into football clubs. Until now the Malaysians have been nothing but good for CCFC. And time will tell what's around the corner.

More debt accrued in their two years here then the 10 years before, and you have the cheek to say they've been nothing but good?

Already proven to be liars by u-turning. The ability to lie to fans can't be called good?

Say what you want about the Malaysians but they are clearly not stupid people, you don't get to Vincent Tans position by constantly getting thing wrong.

I agree with you that one can hardly doubt their commercial experience and talent, but that doesn't mean that they're capable of running a football club.
I don't know how it works out in the UK, but here on the mainland we've seen shitloads of those management-type cunts coming to a football club and starting to talk about 'running the club like a company'.
It can't be done.
A football club is not a normal business and succes in the commercial world doesn't mean you'll succeed in running a football club, quite the contrary actually.
They're whole armies of these 'cocks in suits' walking around in Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium and they're responsible of putting wonderful clubs in massive debt, leaving the ruins and handing over to the city and supporters a nearly destroyed local football club.

Succeeding in business doesn't mean you're capable of running a football club, facts show us again and again that a business approach in fact is most likely to drive a club to the edge of the cliff.

Errm, seriously? You're blaming all football mismanagement on "management type cunts"? Seriously?

People seem to have an unerring belief football clubs aren't private companies whatsoever and should thus be magically immune to all good practices.

fans expectations, ie spend squillions and not worry about how to actually pay for it fucks clubs up more.

Shame the current board haven't taken your advice on board then.
We've been spending money we don't have every month apparently, hardly good business practise.
And some fans are now happy for us to throw our identity down the drain so that the same board can go on spending even more squillions.

Errm, seriously?

Don't do that, I'd like to have a reasonable discussion with you, but please don't talk to me like I'm retarded and don't write 'so you mean that...'. No, I'm very aware of what I write down, it means nothing more or less. So let me explain it in another way.

You're blaming all football mismanagement on "management type cunts"? Seriously?

No, I'm not doing that and you very well know that.
What I said is that down here an awfull lot of clubs are in huge problems because of these people.
There are huge ammounts of clubs in problems because of other kinds of mistakes or other imcompetent people, but you can't brush aside the vast ammount of clubs that is in trouble because all kinds of 'managers' thought they can run a football club like a bank, insurance company or advertising agency.

People seem to have an unerring belief football clubs aren't private companies whatsoever and should thus be magically immune to all good practices.

fans expectations, ie spend squillions and not worry about how to actually pay for it fucks clubs up more.

Again, you're not responding to what I wrote, where did I say that clubs should keep on spending these huge sums of money?
In my opinion a football club should live up to it's standards.
So if you're the manager of a small club, you have to be realistic and realise that you're not going to make as much money on merchandise, ticketing or TV-rights as, for instance, Manchester United.
That means you've got less to spend on players etc.
The root of the troubles Cardiff City has been in, is that there has been going more money out than in.
So, that means that the club has to make more money (quite impossible in a time when the world is in an economic crise and the prospects aren't that good) or spend less.
So, cutting costs on things like players salaries, the buying of players and so on is only one of the few ways to make the club healthy again.
It means you'll have to rely on your own youth and scouting some more, but Swansea's promotion to the Prem has left a huge opportunity for Cardiff City to step in the gap they left behind and pick up local talents.
It may mean that the sportive results won't be as good as they've been, but the club still gots it's identity and isn't in the hands of foreign investors who've proven that they can't be trusted.

NO, we need to build a new training ground first. Something that could cost more than actually renting as we do now.

Something that could also be used as an income stream long term.

Which would cost less than renting long term.

Which we'd control and be able to tailor, upgrade as required. Long term.

Say what you want about the Malaysians but they are clearly not stupid people, you don't get to Vincent Tans position by constantly getting thing wrong.

Very true. I mean, look at the Venkys.

The only similarity I can see between Venkys and Vincent Tan is that they are both foreign investors into football clubs. Until now the Malaysians have been nothing but good for CCFC. And time will tell what's around the corner.

More debt accrued in their two years here then the 10 years before, and you have the cheek to say they've been nothing but good?

Already proven to be liars by u-turning. The ability to lie to fans can't be called good?

They've already stated that the approx £40m that they've put into the club would be converted into equity as part of the investment deal. Also U turning does not make them liars.

Money for players and you want Chris Gunter

We need an attacking right back and he fits the bill.

Very good for this level.

Money for players and you want Chris Gunter

We need an attacking right back and he fits the bill.

Very good for this level.

Depends if MM brings in a winger for that side, if so Kev will do.

If we plays narrow again we need a better RB but Gunter ain't the one for me, I've never been a fan tho.

Then lets go get the following:

Charlie Austin
Jordan Rhodes
Simeon Jackson
Jay Bothroyd
Will Buckley
Keith Andrews
Raheem Sterling (Loan)
Chris Gunter
Steven Caulker

How many strikers do you want mate?

Then lets go get the following:

Charlie Austin
Jordan Rhodes
Simeon Jackson
Jay Bothroyd
Will Buckley
Keith Andrews
Raheem Sterling (Loan)
Chris Gunter
Steven Caulker

How many strikers do you want mate?

4 good uns. None of our current lot are any good.

Mason? Unless you say he is an AM/SS

Gunter attacking? Christ.

Raheem Sterling would rape this division. Blinding pace and skill for his age. Definitely need 2 FB - attacking, 2 wingers, 2 strikers and a creative mid

Again, you're not responding to what I wrote, where did I say that clubs should keep on spending these huge sums of money?
In my opinion a football club should live up to it's standards.
So if you're the manager of a small club, you have to be realistic and realise that you're not going to make as much money on merchandise, ticketing or TV-rights as, for instance, Manchester United.
That means you've got less to spend on players etc.
The root of the troubles Cardiff City has been in, is that there has been going more money out than in.
So, that means that the club has to make more money (quite impossible in a time when the world is in an economic crise and the prospects aren't that good) or spend less.
So, cutting costs on things like players salaries, the buying of players and so on is only one of the few ways to make the club healthy again.
It means you'll have to rely on your own youth and scouting some more, but Swansea's promotion to the Prem has left a huge opportunity for Cardiff City to step in the gap they left behind and pick up local talents.
It may mean that the sportive results won't be as good as they've been, but the club still gots it's identity and isn't in the hands of foreign investors who've proven that they can't be trusted.

Don't disagree with the points you raise those, which imo are all good business decisions.

Malaysians at this point have been somewhat hamstrung with the contracts of players that they've inherited. So either pay them monthly, hope another team comes in for them - unlikely due to the wages - or negotiate a reduced deal to terminate the contract which very few players would ever agree to.

The problem is yes the wages are high but also the income streams are lower than they could be due to historical errors. Whilst you advocate addressing the wages - which I agree with - the income streams need to be addressed because they are essential to growth in the long term.

Our identity, history remain. We're still Cardiff City, we still won the FA cup.

I suspect the long term strategy is marketing into China, which is a massive emerging market. Red would obviously be a better colour there.

Our identity, history remain. We're still Cardiff City, we still won the FA cup.

Well, I guess we can disagree on that.
In my opinion a vital part of the clubs identity consists of it's colour, nickname and crest.
Small changes of the bluebird have been made over the past, but changing the bird to a dragon (which was the initial intention) and changing the club colour to red cut off a vital connection with a history of the Bluebirds. The name is just one of the very few things that will stay the same, but we've got hardly any guarantee that even our name will remain.

I suspect the long term strategy is marketing into China, which is a massive emerging market. Red would obviously be a better colour there.

This point has been very often made on this board when it came to a rebranding discussion. But what strikes me in this, is the fact that it lacks logic in a certain way. Let me explain.

There are certain things we know about merchandise in the Far East. It's a huge potential market and once you get ground there and can build on a well structured merchandise system, you can indeed make an awful lot of money over there. The other thing is that to succeed in this market, you'll have to have sportive succes first. What clubs are doing well on the Asian markets? It's not championship clubs or mid-table or smaller premier league clubs. The clubs who do well in Asia are clubs like Chelsea, Manchester City, (both blue) Manchester United, Bayern Munich, (both red) FC Barcelona (blue and red) and Real Madrid (white). These clubs have only one thing in common: They enjoy a huge reputation within football and win big prices on a regular basis. That means that you'll have to become one of the 'big boys', no one of the 'very big boys' to succeed in those markets. They won't buy a Cardiff shirt simply because it's red, or else you'd see them all walking around in WHU, Sunderland, Southampton or Aston Villa shirts.

So where does Tan get's the money from to buy the players he needs to compete with the really big teams in order to succeed on the Asian markets? If you want to accomplish that you'll have to invest a multitude of the money Abramovich puts into Chelsea each year, and I just don't see that happening.

In my humble opinion there's a huge problem in this, these Malaysian tactits will destroy the club on the long term and most people just don't realise it.

The Malaysians, honourable men? How did they make their money? Bunch of liars. If they can lie about the home colours, they can lie about anything.