TO CELEBRATE THE QUEENS JUBILEE

I thing we should respectively all post in German for the day, Ich danke Ihnen


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I thing we should respectively all post in German for the day, Ich danke Ihnen


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDpJsCE3 ... re=related

dont like ur link, mate... but we most prob have the same views bout monarchy and the queen...

I thing we should respectively all post in German for the day, Ich danke Ihnen


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Queen Liz is british to the core
im going to fly my union flag outside my house this weekend
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

I thing we should respectively all post in German for the day, Ich danke Ihnen


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dont like ur link, mate... but we most prob have the same views bout monarchy and the queen...

it might have been a good idea to keep your monarch could have changed history for the better mate

I thing we should respectively all post in German for the day, Ich danke Ihnen


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dont like ur link, mate... but we most prob have the same views bout monarchy and the queen...

Yeah sorry about that, looking at it again it does seem a bit Nazi'ish. No offence meant

I thing we should respectively all post in German for the day, Ich danke Ihnen


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Queen Liz is british to the core
im going to fly my union flag outside my house this weekend
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

Watch out, Blazing saddles will politely ask you to remove it

I thing we should respectively all post in German for the day, Ich danke Ihnen


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Queen Liz is british to the core
im going to fly my union flag outside my house this weekend
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

Watch out, Blazing saddles will politely ask you to remove it

im only putting it up to wind the local plastic paddies up

Queen Liz is british to the core
im going to fly my union flag outside my house this weekend
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN[/quote]




YAWN

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=NQbfTAWe3no better link.

I thing we should respectively all post in German for the day, Ich danke Ihnen


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Queen Liz is british to the core
im going to fly my union flag outside my house this weekend
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

British to the core

Her forebears are German

The name Windsor was only used from 1917 onwards :

The House of Windsor is the royal house of the Commonwealth realms. It was founded by King George V by royal proclamation on the 17 July 1917, when he changed the name of his family from the German Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (a branch of the House of Wettin) to the English Windsor, due to the anti-German sentiment in the United Kingdom during World War I. Currently, the most prominent member of the House of Windsor is Queen Elizabeth II, the reigning monarch of the Commonwealth realms.

I am proud to call myself a Republican and will have nothing to do with this jubilee celebration.

The monarchy is the paradox of democracy, and a brutal reminder of the sickening disparity between rich and poor that has plagued this country for centuries.

FUEL POVERTY WILL KILL 2,700 THIS WINTER , THE QUEEN WILL EARN 234 MILLION FROM OFF SHORE WIND FARMS ,

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN !! BUT FK THE REST OF US !!

GOD SAVE OUR QUEEN!

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The monarchy is the paradox of democracy, and a brutal reminder of the sickening disparity between rich and poor that has plagued this country for centuries.

It's not so much the paradox of democracy, as the symbol of the fact that we are still a far from equal society.

Much as I hate and despise the monarchy, if we actually had a referendum on keeping it, the powers that be would have us believe that the people would keep the monarchy - if that is true and they did, then I suppose the instituation would have passed the 'democracy' test.

That wouldn't change my view at all though, as I have been a republican for as long as I can remember, and I will die being one, even if I was in a minority of one.

The monarchy is the paradox of democracy, and a brutal reminder of the sickening disparity between rich and poor that has plagued this country for centuries.

It's not so much the paradox of democracy, as the symbol of the fact that we are still a far from equal society.

Much as I hate and despise the monarchy, if we actually had a referendum on keeping it, the powers that be would have us believe that the people would keep the monarchy - if that is true and they did, then I suppose the instituation would have passed the 'democracy' test.

That wouldn't change my view at all though, as I have been a republican for as long as I can remember, and I will die being one, even if I was in a minority of one.

It is a paradox of democracy; an un-elected head of state based solely on birth. In short, heriditary monarchy (or anything at all) is elitist, and denies the people a basic right to elect their head of state.

I'm not questioning whether a referendum would be democratic, which it would be of course, I'm questioning the monarchy itself as a democratic institution; which it most certainly is not. A sexist, expensive, elitist, archaism.

SHE AND HER FAMILY ARE ONLY WHERE THEY ARE TODAY, COS HER PAST ANCESTORS KILLED, LIED, AND CHEATED, BETTER THAN THE OTHERS. WELL DONE THE GERMAN ROYAL FAMILY ,O YES ! AND THE GREEKS !

NO TO ROYALS

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I thing we should respectively all post in German for the day, Ich danke Ihnen


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Queen Liz is british to the core
im going to fly my union flag outside my house this weekend
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

I'd expect this from a jack not a bluebird

MAESTEG BLUE IS A JACK , A TRUE JACK

THIS SAYS IT ALL

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The monarchy is the paradox of democracy, and a brutal reminder of the sickening disparity between rich and poor that has plagued this country for centuries.

It's not so much the paradox of democracy, as the symbol of the fact that we are still a far from equal society.

Much as I hate and despise the monarchy, if we actually had a referendum on keeping it, the powers that be would have us believe that the people would keep the monarchy - if that is true and they did, then I suppose the instituation would have passed the 'democracy' test.

That wouldn't change my view at all though, as I have been a republican for as long as I can remember, and I will die being one, even if I was in a minority of one.

It is a paradox of democracy; an un-elected head of state based solely on birth. In short, heriditary monarchy (or anything at all) is elitist, and denies the people a basic right to elect their head of state.

I'm not questioning whether a referendum would be democratic, which it would be of course, I'm questioning the monarchy itself as a democratic institution; which it most certainly is not. A sexist, expensive, elitist, archaism.

I would agree with that - my point however was that even if we had a referendum, we could be still stuck with her as our head of state, if what the establishment tell us is correct about the support for the instituation from the populace, and we'd then be hard pressed to say it was undemocratic, which is why I wouldn't argue that particular point too hard.

I accept constitutionally at present that the institution has not been subjected to a democratic test though, and to that extent agree with you. I've just had these arguments so many times with Royalists in that past, and know that if we press that point too hard, we can score an own goal.

Which is why my point is that even if the institution were democratically elected (and of course at every election, people vote for parties whose policy is to keep the vile institution), my view would remain steadfastly Republican.

What is however an utter disgrace is the fact that when democratically elected representatives of the people who have stood on a Republican ticket want to represent their consitituents in Westminster, they are not allowed to do unless they swear an oath of allegiance to the incumbent to the British throne - now that is an absolute affront to democracy, and means that the voters of places like Derry and West Belfast cannot have their views expressed in the Westminster Parliament, even though they have been partitioned from their own fellow countrymen and forced to remain a part of the United Kingdom.

I thing we should respectively all post in German for the day, Ich danke Ihnen


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Queen Liz is british to the core
im going to fly my union flag outside my house this weekend
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

You sad sickophantic tw@t

SHE AND HER FAMILY ARE ONLY WHERE THEY ARE TODAY, COS HER PAST ANCESTORS KILLED, LIED, AND CHEATED, BETTER THAN THE OTHERS. WELL DONE THE GERMAN ROYAL FAMILY ,O YES ! AND THE GREEKS !

There is certainly a vast amount of truth in this statement. The whole history of the Kings and Queens of England is full of the worst kind of barbarism imaginable - especially in the medieval period, and of course the Royalists make a great deal out of how far they can trace the blood line back to.

Since the Georgian period, the main part of that bloodline has indeed been German as well, and historically, there was more French blood in them than English anyway (at least after Harold II)

Clearly Maesteg Blue knows very little about history

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A valid point, however you must (as I always do) remind them that hereditary public office goes against every democratic principle.

Either way, opinion polls are inconclusive until a full and informative debate has taken place. The monarchy spends millions of pounds on publicity and PR, the government too backs the monarchy and shields it from genuine scrutiny. They all work hard to perpetuate the myth that the monarchy is little more than a nice family living in a big house doing their 'duty' for their country. The truth is a little different.

Alas I agree, that is one of many ludicrous examples of the monarchy's protection from scrutiny and criticism; once again highly undemocratic.

The fact remains that they are not Welsh people and they are tax parasites ……….

A valid point, however you must (as I always do) remind them that hereditary public office goes against every democratic principle.

Either way, opinion polls are inconclusive until a full and informative debate has taken place. The monarchy spends millions of pounds on publicity and PR, the government too backs the monarchy and shields it from genuine scrutiny. They all work hard to perpetuate the myth that the monarchy is little more than a nice family living in a big house doing their 'duty' for their country. The truth is a little different.

Alas I agree, that is one of many ludicrous examples of the monarchy's protection from scrutiny and criticism; once again highly undemocratic.

Yes, I agree with all that and I think we're pretty much in agreement here

It would also be very interesting if we did actually have a referendum to really test the people's views on this, as I'm sceptical of how much support for the monarchy there really is - and could you imagine how the media would go into a frenzy if we were allowed this democratic right.

A valid point, however you must (as I always do) remind them that hereditary public office goes against every democratic principle.

Either way, opinion polls are inconclusive until a full and informative debate has taken place. The monarchy spends millions of pounds on publicity and PR, the government too backs the monarchy and shields it from genuine scrutiny. They all work hard to perpetuate the myth that the monarchy is little more than a nice family living in a big house doing their 'duty' for their country. The truth is a little different.

Alas I agree, that is one of many ludicrous examples of the monarchy's protection from scrutiny and criticism; once again highly undemocratic.

Yes, I agree with all that and I think we're pretty much in agreement here

It would also be very interesting if we did actually have a referendum to really test the people's views on this, as I'm sceptical of how much support for the monarchy there really is - and could you imagine how the media would go into a frenzy if we were allowed this democratic right.

I completely agree, however I have little faith that the Republican cause would prevail for three reasons.

1) The mass majority are lulled into believing the cliche royalist arguments (tourism, trade etc) which would ultimately transcend into votes.

2) The Media are unashamedly royalist and control alot of pubilc opinion.

3) The Republican cause has not been widely publicised enough yet and is lacking in support. Thus a substantial campaign is required.

I thing we should respectively all post in German for the day, Ich danke Ihnen


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Queen Liz is british to the core
im going to fly my union flag outside my house this weekend
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

Disgrace

I agree with that as well, which is why I wouldn't argue the non-democratic point too hard.

I think I've learned to accept that my views are a minority, and hope for the day when more and more people will stop believing all the rubbish they're spoon fed by the media, but sadly, we may have a long wait.

It's particularly cringeworthy in Celtic countries to see people waving these horrid union flags around (that don't even include Wales, as we're bound up as one with the Cross of St. George as part of England).

It will always be "the butcher's apron" to me.

I agree with that as well, which is why I wouldn't argue the non-democratic point too hard.

I think I've learned to accept that my views are a minority, and hope for the day when more and more people will stop believing all the rubbish they're spoon fed by the media, but sadly, we may have a long wait.

It's particularly cringeworthy in Celtic countries to see people waving these horrid union flags around (that don't even include Wales, as we're bound up as one with the Cross of St. George as part of England).

It will always be "the butcher's apron" to me.

Here here.

I've never liked the monarchy (although studying their history is enjoyable) and it seems that our 'cause' if you like will remain a minority view for some time. It's strange really, I just naturally detest the monarchy and the Union Jack, it's innate