" IF WE DONT GET THIS SO CALLED £100 MILL "

It was never about what fans said regarding their opinions/beliefs on our badge/colour/nickname etc as once VT had done deals with Langston/PMG, VT would have done exactly what he wanted to do regardless of what we the fans would of said or wanted. Those 48 hrs of us sadly turning against each other, never meant one thing to VT. VT was only ever going to put more money in to the club if he could of done those deals and that was confirmed by Allan Whitley himself at the meetings. But I knew that any way and its 100% a fact.

Also these loses we occur are down the the current board and they are running our club so its up to them put it right, not us fans, we pay our money week in week out.
So please no more fan v fan any more its Cardiff City first, not owners etc.

I am 100% against the Rebrand we have been blackmailed

well said

Agree 100%, only thing is a lot of things were said that went deep in. There is a divide between our fans only time will tell if it can be healed

You really have it in for the malaysians atm havent you! I agree that we never had a hoice but why have it gone so quiet now? Are they leaving? Are they changing plans? Are they keeping us waiting on purpose? Who knows but we wouldnt be in this mess if past owners hadnt taken us for mugs

You really have it in for the malaysians atm havent you! I agree that we never had a hoice but why have it gone so quiet now? Are they leaving? Are they changing plans? Are they keeping us waiting on purpose? Who knows but we wouldnt be in this mess if past owners hadnt taken us for mugs

No funny enough I dont, I am just stating the facts and the facts are us fans turning on each other and not all agreeing on the same thing colour etc, never bothered the Malaysians one bit or put them off our club and if u think that, your living in cloud cuckoo land. Their business deals with PMG and Langston will decide our fate/future with them.

Why has it gone quite, because no deals have been struck with PMG/LANGSTON and those are facts.

They are not running away from the £40 mill already lent to us, I can guarantee u that.

Agree 100%, only thing is a lot of things were said that went deep in. There is a divide between our fans only time will tell if it can be healed

We need to remind our selves and each other we all support Cardiff City no matter what happens.

But I am 100% against the Rebrand we have been blackmailed

You really have it in for the malaysians atm havent you! I agree that we never had a hoice but why have it gone so quiet now? Are they leaving? Are they changing plans? Are they keeping us waiting on purpose? Who knows but we wouldnt be in this mess if past owners hadnt taken us for mugs

No funny enough I dont, I am just stating the facts and the facts are us fans turning on each other and not all agreeing on the same thing colour etc, never bothered the Malaysians one bit or put them off our club and if u think that, your living in cloud cuckoo land. Their business deals with PMG and Langston will decide our fate/future with them.

Why has it gone quite, because no deals have been struck with PMG/LANGSTON and those are facts.

They are not running away from the £40 mill already lent to us, I can guarantee u that.

I read that back and realised i sounded a bit short haha! It wasnt meant to come over so angry but do you think the plans and investment will go ahead? And does malky have his targets ready for when he goes on hols?

You really have it in for the malaysians atm havent you! I agree that we never had a hoice but why have it gone so quiet now? Are they leaving? Are they changing plans? Are they keeping us waiting on purpose? Who knows but we wouldnt be in this mess if past owners hadnt taken us for mugs

No funny enough I dont, I am just stating the facts and the facts are us fans turning on each other and not all agreeing on the same thing colour etc, never bothered the Malaysians one bit or put them off our club and if u think that, your living in cloud cuckoo land. Their business deals with PMG and Langston will decide our fate/future with them.

Why has it gone quite, because no deals have been struck with PMG/LANGSTON and those are facts.

They are not running away from the £40 mill already lent to us, I can guarantee u that.

I read that back and realised i sounded a bit short haha! It wasnt meant to come over so angry but do you think the plans and investment will go ahead? And does malky have his targets ready for when he goes on hols?

Cheers.

Only if those deals are done like I said and at the moment they are off.
Malky has still got his list,as to wether they will fully back him remains to be seen, but if VT is to get his money back he needs us to get in the Premiership.

You really have it in for the malaysians atm havent you! I agree that we never had a hoice but why have it gone so quiet now? Are they leaving? Are they changing plans? Are they keeping us waiting on purpose? Who knows but we wouldnt be in this mess if past owners hadnt taken us for mugs

No funny enough I dont, I am just stating the facts and the facts are us fans turning on each other and not all agreeing on the same thing colour etc, never bothered the Malaysians one bit or put them off our club and if u think that, your living in cloud cuckoo land. Their business deals with PMG and Langston will decide our fate/future with them.

Why has it gone quite, because no deals have been struck with PMG/LANGSTON and those are facts.

They are not running away from the £40 mill already lent to us, I can guarantee u that.

I read that back and realised i sounded a bit short haha! It wasnt meant to come over so angry but do you think the plans and investment will go ahead? And does malky have his targets ready for when he goes on hols?

Cheers.

Only if those deals are done like I said and at the moment they are off.
Malky has still got his list,as to wether they will fully back him remains to be seen, but if VT is to get his money back he needs us to get in the Premiership.

Good point lets hope we are not left hanging on the edge for the next two months And malky is backed with funds to get us there!!... If he doesnt go to norwich that is

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Agree 100%, only thing is a lot of things were said that went deep in. There is a divide between our fans only time will tell if it can be healed

We need to remind our selves and each other we all support Cardiff City no matter what happens.

But I am 100% against the Rebrand we have been blackmailed

That is it at the end of the day, we all support Cardiff City and that has got to come 1st

Correct me if im wrong,but was it not the case that a person who attended the meeting that you had set up, made public the proposals that were for the time being not to be put into the public domain,causing a bitter dispute between those fans who were for the proposals and those who were against them,also i find it very difficult to believe that once a meeting had been called,the contents of such a meeting could have been kept confidential,so i end my post by asking you,why in Gods name did you call such a meeting,knowing the risks involved????

Agree 100%, only thing is a lot of things were said that went deep in. There is a divide between our fans only time will tell if it can be healed

We need to remind our selves and each other we all support Cardiff City no matter what happens.

But I am 100% against the Rebrand we have been blackmailed

Correct me if im wrong,but was it not the case that a person who attended the meeting that you had set up, made public the proposals that were for the time being not to be put into the public domain,causing a bitter dispute between those fans who were for the proposals and those who were against them,also i find it very difficult to believe that once a meeting had been called,the contents of such a meeting could have been kept confidential,so i end my post by asking you,why in Gods name did you call such a meeting,knowing the risks involved????

Who set up/called the meeting ?
Who said it was private/confidential ?
youve lost me ?

It was never about what fans said regarding their opinions/beliefs on our badge/colour/nickname etc as once VT had done deals with Langston/PMG, VT would have done exactly what he wanted to do regardless of what we the fans would of said or wanted. Those 48 hrs of us sadly turning against each other, never meant one thing to VT. VT was only ever going to put more money in to the club if he could of done those deals and that was confirmed by Allan Whitley himself at the meetings. But I knew that any way and its 100% a fact.

Also these loses we occur are down the the current board and they are running our club so its up to them put it right, not us fans, we pay our money week in week out.
So please no more fan v fan any more its Cardiff City first, not owners etc.

I am 100% against the Rebrand we have been blackmailed

In a different context that is exactly what BigGwyn has been saying for days. Yes we can have our say on message boards and even send droves of fan representatives to meet with senior club officials, but at the end of the day Vincent Tan will call all the shots as he sees fit once he has dealt with Langston/PMG and taken control of the club 100%.

TBH Annis if VT is putting in £1.2m to prop the club up in the meantime then he is affectively doing his bit to sort out the 'losses'. The alternative is to sell players as you well know.

Correct me if im wrong,but was it not the case that a person who attended the meeting that you had set up, made public the proposals that were for the time being not to be put into the public domain,causing a bitter dispute between those fans who were for the proposals and those who were against them,also i find it very difficult to believe that once a meeting had been called,the contents of such a meeting could have been kept confidential,so i end my post by asking you,why in Gods name did you call such a meeting,knowing the risks involved????

Putting aside the fact the club called the meeting not the fans, are you really saying that after attending Annis, Gwyn, Carl, Supporters Club/Trust should have refused to tell the rest of us what was said?

Or would you prefer no supporter consolation at all and the first thing anyone knew about a rebranding was when the team ran out at CCS wearing red?

I really think you need to rethink that post.

Who said it was private/confidential ?.....................if this meeting was a figment of my imagination,why did you make reference to this non meeting by saying,and i quote .......Who said it was private/confidential ?...it being the key word

angelis49 wrote:
Correct me if im wrong,but was it not the case that a person who attended the meeting that you had set up, made public the proposals that were for the time being not to be put into the public domain,causing a bitter dispute between those fans who were for the proposals and those who were against them,also i find it very difficult to believe that once a meeting had been called,the contents of such a meeting could have been kept confidential,so i end my post by asking you,why in Gods name did you call such a meeting,knowing the risks involved????

Who said it was private/confidential ?.....................if this meeting was a figment of my imagination,why did you make reference to this non meeting by saying,and i quote .......Who said it was private/confidential ?...it being the key word

U said it.
Please explain what meeting Ive called and in private ?
If there is one, can I come along ?

It was never about what fans said regarding their opinions/beliefs on our badge/colour/nickname etc as once VT had done deals with Langston/PMG, VT would have done exactly what he wanted to do regardless of what we the fans would of said or wanted. Those 48 hrs of us sadly turning against each other, never meant one thing to VT. VT was only ever going to put more money in to the club if he could of done those deals and that was confirmed by Allan Whitley himself at the meetings. But I knew that any way and its 100% a fact.

Also these loses we occur are down the the current board and they are running our club so its up to them put it right, not us fans, we pay our money week in week out.
So please no more fan v fan any more its Cardiff City first, not owners etc.


I am 100% against the Rebrand we have been blackmailed

In a different context that is exactly what BigGwyn has been saying for days. Yes we can have our say on message boards and even send droves of fan representatives to meet with senior club officials, but at the end of the day Vincent Tan will call all the shots as he sees fit once he has dealt with Langston/PMG and taken control of the club 100%.

TBH Annis if VT is putting in £1.2m to prop the club up in the meantime then he is affectively doing his bit to sort out the 'losses'. The alternative is to sell players as you well know.

Tony out of curiosity
Who do u think is to blame that we are losing this kind of money ?

Who said it was private/confidential ?.....................if this meeting was a figment of my imagination,why did you make reference to this non meeting by saying,and i quote .......Who said it was private/confidential ?...it being the key word

TBH mate this is not an opinion or a contribution to the debate, so why not leave it before you embarrass yourself anymore.

Who said it was private/confidential ?.....................if this meeting was a figment of my imagination,why did you make reference to this non meeting by saying,and i quote .......Who said it was private/confidential ?...it being the key word

TBH mate this is not an opinion or a contribution to the debate, so why not leave it before you embarrass yourself anymore.

Tony, Angelis is talking riddles and not making any sense

I don't know what this VT guy is playing at, I mean besides;

Paying the Taxman
Paying £m's in outstanding bills left by Ridsdale
Putting in over £1m a month to keep the club going
Personally funding the Craig Bellamy loan
Renegotiating many of the big debts to more favourable terms
Converting £m's of loans into equity
Sacking Dave Jones
Sacking Gethin Jenkins
Employing Malkay Mackay
Getting Rid of the egg chasers
Funding nearly £3m in transfer fees last season

I mean just exactly what has the guy done to make him think he can do want he wants.

It was never about what fans said regarding their opinions/beliefs on our badge/colour/nickname etc as once VT had done deals with Langston/PMG, VT would have done exactly what he wanted to do regardless of what we the fans would of said or wanted. Those 48 hrs of us sadly turning against each other, never meant one thing to VT. VT was only ever going to put more money in to the club if he could of done those deals and that was confirmed by Allan Whitley himself at the meetings. But I knew that any way and its 100% a fact.

Also these loses we occur are down the the current board and they are running our club so its up to them put it right, not us fans, we pay our money week in week out.
So please no more fan v fan any more its Cardiff City first, not owners etc.

In a different context that is exactly what BigGwyn has been saying for days. Yes we can have our say on message boards and even send droves of fan representatives to meet with senior club officials, but at the end of the day Vincent Tan will call all the shots as he sees fit once he has dealt with Langston/PMG and taken control of the club 100%.

TBH Annis if VT is putting in £1.2m to prop the club up in the meantime then he is affectively doing his bit to sort out the 'losses'. The alternative is to sell players as you well know.

Tony out of curiosity
Who do u think is to blame that we are losing this kind of money ?

Ridsdale still has a lot to answer for. We still have a huge legacy from when he was Chairman and remember in the season just gone we paid Dave Jones and the backroom staff over £1m in severance wages thanks to the contracts he handed out. Same for the likes of fringe players who were here before Malky took over and command high salaries.

That said whoever runs the Football Club the biggest single outgoing is wages. Personally if there are to be cut backs I would sign players on lower wages (of course that will mean a drop in quality) but offer them huge team bonuses for promotion (like Blackpool did in 2010)

Well said annis totally agree.

if it wasnt for these owners we would not have a club to support we was in major debt before they came here dont forget that

If i have got my facts wrong,i apologize unreservedly to all concerned.....but just to get things clear in my mind can you tell me the circumstances involved that set off this small but never the less bitter civil war between the fans

I don't know what this VT guy is playing at, I mean besides;

Paying the Taxman
Paying £m's in outstanding bills left by Ridsdale
Putting in over £1m a month to keep the club going
Personally funding the Craig Bellamy loan
Renegotiating many of the big debts to more favourable terms
Converting £m's of loans into equity
Sacking Dave Jones
Sacking Gethin Jenkins
Employing Malkay Mackay
Getting Rid of the egg chasers
Funding nearly £3m in transfer fees last season

I mean just exactly what has the guy done to make him think he can do want he wants.

Yes but what about the Romans what have they done for us?

I don't know what this VT guy is playing at, I mean besides;

Paying the Taxman
Paying £m's in outstanding bills left by Ridsdale
Putting in over £1m a month to keep the club going
Personally funding the Craig Bellamy loan
Renegotiating many of the big debts to more favourable terms
Converting £m's of loans into equity
Sacking Dave Jones
Sacking Gethin Jenkins
Employing Malkay Mackay
Getting Rid of the egg chasers
Funding nearly £3m in transfer fees last season

I mean just exactly what has the guy done to make him think he can do want he wants.

Yes but what about the Romans what have they done for us?

If i have got my facts wrong,i apologize unreservedly to all concerned.....but just to get things clear in my mind can you tell me the circumstances involved that set off this small but never the less bitter civil war between the fans

Someone from the supporters club leaked a report that the club were going to rebrand (change from blue to red) in exchange for a £100m investment.

Tony out of curiosity
Who do u think is to blame that we are losing this kind of money ?[/quote]

Everyone in charge from SH to the present are responsible for accumulating the debt. The big difference in my opinion is the Malaysians have the money to pay off everyone and own the club debt free, so to speak.

I still think this is what they will do but only when the time is right for them. Then they will mean business and us fans will be in for a roller coaster ride and very few people will be bothered about the red home shirt.