Just like Mike's board

Most of my favorite posters have all but disappeared of here now apart from fleeting posts,or they have changed so much i don't recognise them any more, most that used to be entertaining funny witty posters are now only answering only with such words as "deluded" and "ban him". This was a respected Lads site known for its banter and information. It was welcoming of other Clubs fans but that has now changed,there has been massive culls of them and being banned by moderators as some do not like there views on how they now perceive us.
I had a PM of one of them and no he ain't a Jack ! He told me he doesn't post on here very often now as it isn't the site it used to be and said "the Jacks speak more sense than a lot on here".and a lot of posters he used to have respect for and influential ones at that, he has now little or no respect at all:o But many would now respond to those remarks as!! "he ain't Cardiff he can fook off" Unfortunately this message board is now an exact copy of Mike's board,. Annis has fought tooth and nail to stop that happening but this re branding shit has turned a lot of fans against each other whilst it has changed how many now post.
At least my Mrs is a lot happier now as i talk to her a lot more as i only glance at the board now, and i post less often. I really hope that this board can get back to the way it once was.

On a foot note! slowly and surely the club that is Cardiff City is being slowly destroyed in front of me, first of all we left our home Ninian Park now we are at risk of loosing our identity, but one thing i thought we would never loose is the passion of our great fans. But as many on here are now embracing the death of that as well and that is what i find hard to take.

Most of my favorite posters have all but disappeared of here now apart from fleeting posts,or they have changed so much i don't recognise them any more, most that used to be entertaining funny witty posters are now only answering only with such words as "deluded" and "ban him". This was a respected Lads site known for its banter and information. It was welcoming of other Clubs fans but that has now changed,there has been massive culls of them and being banned by moderators as some do not like there views on how they now perceive us.
I had a PM of one of them and no he ain't a Jack ! He told me he doesn't post on here very often now as it isn't the site it used to be and said "the Jacks speak more sense than a lot on here".and a lot of posters he used to have respect for and influential ones at that, he has now little or no respect at all:o But many would now respond to those remarks as!! "he ain't Cardiff he can fook off" Unfortunately this message board is now an exact copy of Mike's board,. Annis has fought tooth and nail to stop that happening but this re branding shit has turned a lot of fans against each other whilst it has changed how many now post.
At least my Mrs is a lot happier now as i talk to her a lot more as i only glance at the board now, and i post less often. I really hope that this board can get back to the way it once was.

On a foot note! slowly and surely the club that is Cardiff City is being slowly destroyed in front of me, first of all we left our home Ninian Park now we are at risk of loosing our identity, but one thing i thought we would never loose is the passion of our great fans. But as many on here are now embracing the death of that as well and that is what i find hard to take.

The mods have also got alot to answer for.

ALL AWAY FANS SHOULD BE WELCOMED and YOUR RIGHT Steve, they havent been in the last year.

ALL AWAY FANS SHOULD BE WELCOMED and YOUR RIGHT Steve, they havent been in the last year.

[color=#4000BF]Since the end of the season, or to be precise since this re branding shit Annis. Because from an outsiders point of view they have commented and said it how they see it, and Home truths have been told !! "toys have been thrown out of the pram" [/color"

ALL AWAY FANS SHOULD BE WELCOMED and YOUR RIGHT Steve, they havent been in the last year.

[color=#4000BF]Since the end of the season, or to be precise since this re branding shit Annis. Because from an outsiders point of view they have commented and said it how they see it, and Home truths have been told !! "toys have been thrown out of the pram" [/color"

Nukes its pointless getting worked up about it , to me its shown me who i thought i knew but now see there ture colours and i feel better in myself for taking my stance and sticking to it where as others changed overnight, chillax wait and see what comes around the corner if they release anymore on this rebrand tripe. but dont hang yourself out to dry on a public forum.

i have to say, ive been reading things on here over the last few weeks, but have refrained from responding and have taken a back seat.

the sooner we here what the clubs intentions are i think things on the board will improve.

I agree it's got spitefull due to all thats happenned around the club since january -
there are fans who believe or want to believe, fans who are completely scepitcal and fans who are measured.

Truth maybe - after a new dawn and a high of the first few months - we really had a chance to kick on in Jan. We had posters before christmas saying we wont spend, posters hoping we will when we didnt (apart from Kadeem) the sniping started and camps started forming.
We had a long loan period then and i hoped every day that someone would come in ala jason roberts to boost us and i too got dismayed as it appeared to be the same old same old bullshit from the club.

Carling cup final was brilliant, yet the very next match against w ham we looked ordinary and no plan b etc.
We scraped into the play-offs and I for 1 hoped we hadn't - this was soon justified.

We all support Cardiff city, yet if you had a worry or concern, you immediately got knocked and slammed by other posters - 'negative' 'plastic' etc - what a load of petty shite - by lots of posters even mods.
The re-branding has then been a massive issue which has further deepend this pounce and slate method of posting.

no one Cardiff city fan poster can be singled out as many have done it and down right attacked their City brother - nasty.

Hope we can all learn lessons and start seeing the banter and enlightening stuff that got me on here and not the boring politically correct middle class shit i've read of late.

Well done Nukes for bringing this up

PS: I've been a fan all my life and a Bluebird (swallow) seems such a wimpy idol for us - not like a Millwall Lion or a W Ham Hammer!!!

Ive seen some posters start a topic other than a cardiff one or a swansea thread only to be given shit by the same arseholes on that are name calling the fans who dont mind the so called re branding.
Then theres people making up false names just to mess about or cause trouble.
MM's board was apparently known for its snipping well this board is worse at the moment.
There should be a policy on here that if you dont like a thread or have no interest in it dont post on it

There should be a policy on here that if you dont like a thread or have no interest in it dont post on it [/quote]

here here pal

I agree it's got spitefull due to all thats happenned around the club since january -
there are fans who believe or want to believe, fans who are completely scepitcal and fans who are measured.

Truth maybe - after a new dawn and a high of the first few months - we really had a chance to kick on in Jan. We had posters before christmas saying we wont spend, posters hoping we will when we didnt (apart from Kadeem) the sniping started and camps started forming.
We had a long loan period then and i hoped every day that someone would come in ala jason roberts to boost us and i too got dismayed as it appeared to be the same old same old bullshit from the club.

Carling cup final was brilliant, yet the very next match against w ham we looked ordinary and no plan b etc.
We scraped into the play-offs and I for 1 hoped we hadn't - this was soon justified.

We all support Cardiff city, yet if you had a worry or concern, you immediately got knocked and slammed by other posters - 'negative' 'plastic' etc - what a load of petty shite - by lots of posters even mods.
The re-branding has then been a massive issue which has further deepend this pounce and slate method of posting.

no one Cardiff city fan poster can be singled out as many have done it and down right attacked their City brother - nasty.

Hope we can all learn lessons and start seeing the banter and enlightening stuff that got me on here and not the boring politically correct middle class shit i've read of late.

Well done Nukes for bringing this up

PS: I've been a fan all my life and a Bluebird (swallow) seems such a wimpy idol for us - not like a Millwall Lion or a W Ham Hammer!!!

i have agree with this.. i had been a reader for a couple of seasons before joining in exaclty 12 months ago. the difference between the 1 yr is massive... from the start i couldnt stop posting , some really good debates where we would agree to disagree but never any abuse etc. thrown at other so called "fellow fans" lately i find myself posting just a couple of times a week..

im hoping thing will change soon and we really need something to give us a lift and get us all in the spirit again...

we have football pretty much all year with the euros , olympics etc.. so plenty of talking points.. we should be talking about football and leave the politics to the other board...

The answer is then SET UP YOUR OWN MESSAGE BOARD, loads have tried and most have failed, perhaps this is so successful because it is run as it is, have you ever thought the minority of disgruntled moan at everything type fans are exactly that, the MINORITY, so just set up a board where you can all do what you want to with total freedom until the police jail the site owner for the cations of some irresponsible posters.

Going against the grain here, but I believe the rebranding issue has breathed new life into this board as a debating chamber.

I find it odd that Nukes claims that the 'passion' has been lost, because I have engaged with many anti-red supporters who have passionately argued against change. I disagree with their point of view, but I have the upmost respect for a number of posters who have put up great counter-arguments.

Yes there has been some stick given (lets not take any moral high grounds it has come from BOTH sides) but in the main the debate has been good and many points (such as the Langston issue needing to be resolved) have come out of it and made the picture at least a little clearer.

The answer is then SET UP YOUR OWN MESSAGE BOARD, loads have tried and most have failed, perhaps this is so successful because it is run as it is, have you ever thought the minority of disgruntled moan at everything type fans are exactly that, the MINORITY, so just set up a board where you can all do what you want to with total freedom until the police jail the site owner for the cations of some irresponsible posters.

A typical Gwyn answer. You have done a fair bit of moaning yourself recently. The pro red brigade have not convinced the rest of us over the rebranding and the fans have spoken out against it in sufficient numbers to put it on hold. You can hardly call this opposition a minority reaction otherwise the rebranding would have gone ahead regardless.Since then you have gone on national tv and taken every opportunity to tell us that we will be playing non league football, go bust or spend an eternity in hell.The fans have spoken out against the rebranding so you must now accept it and await our fate like everyone else.
Some of the posters on here do not have the exposure that you have, nor do they have the opportunity to manipulate the media so this is their only outlet and surely not even you would deny them this.

The answer is then SET UP YOUR OWN MESSAGE BOARD, loads have tried and most have failed, perhaps this is so successful because it is run as it is, have you ever thought the minority of disgruntled moan at everything type fans are exactly that, the MINORITY, so just set up a board where you can all do what you want to with total freedom until the police jail the site owner for the cations of some irresponsible posters.

This site can put up it's own page for for rivals/banter. Just like the "for sale" page.
If you want to read wind up posts by the jacks, (most of them are) you can on there then.
Owain could set it up in a couple of minutes.

Obviously the rest of us City fans can carry on here.

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The answer is then SET UP YOUR OWN MESSAGE BOARD, loads have tried and most have failed, perhaps this is so successful because it is run as it is, have you ever thought the minority of disgruntled moan at everything type fans are exactly that, the MINORITY, so just set up a board where you can all do what you want to with total freedom until the police jail the site owner for the cations of some irresponsible posters.

I disagree Gwyn

This thread has had good posts on it - we all have different opinions a different types - thats what makes it good. Seeing different views can enlighten us.
Setting up seperate boards like the Judean peoples front and the peoples front of Judea is counter productive and promotes exclusion and not inclusion and can start entrenching miss trust and daer i say it.....hate!

The board has had a fair bit to deal with and the posts are a barometer of type fans feelings - We dont need to stab each other personally though.

I'd probably end up with a board of 1 as I'm a blue shade of purple!!!

Back to the re-branding and imagining etc then the Club are looking at the 20,000 odd who turn up for current home games compared with me and about 3,000 of us back in the old 4th Division days of Ninian Park , playing in blue and hooliganism inside and outside !!! Newish fans new image I guess ??

I disagree Chief, I wouldn't compare this Forum to Mikes. It's down to us all as posters to contribute and keep the debates and topics going, everyone has different opinions which is what it's all about. It does piss me off with the infighting on times with some posters claiming to have a bigger cock than the next ...but I leave them to it

It's going to be slow with the season over with, but Merlin and Luke have set up Fantasy Leagues and Sweepstakes to keep us occupied

Onwards and Upwards

P.s....Do you want your dummy back

The answer is then SET UP YOUR OWN MESSAGE BOARD, loads have tried and most have failed, perhaps this is so successful because it is run as it is, have you ever thought the minority of disgruntled moan at everything type fans are exactly that, the MINORITY, so just set up a board where you can all do what you want to with total freedom until the police jail the site owner for the cations of some irresponsible posters.

I disagree Gwyn

This thread has had good posts on it - we all have different opinions a different types - thats what makes it good. Seeing different views can enlighten us.
Setting up seperate boards like the Judean peoples front and the peoples front of Judea is counter productive and promotes exclusion and not inclusion and can start entrenching miss trust and daer i say it.....hate!

The board has had a fair bit to deal with and the posts are a barometer of type fans feelings - We dont need to stab each other personally though.

I'd probably end up with a board of 1 as I'm a blue shade of purple!!!

I can understand the arguments through re-branding and it's been a sad board of late with all the arguing and in-fighting.
It has been made even worse with non-Cardiff fans and wind up merchants doing their best to ensure it stay's like a childs playground.

The answer is then SET UP YOUR OWN MESSAGE BOARD, loads have tried and most have failed, perhaps this is so successful because it is run as it is, have you ever thought the minority of disgruntled moan at everything type fans are exactly that, the MINORITY, so just set up a board where you can all do what you want to with total freedom until the police jail the site owner for the cations of some irresponsible posters.

A typical Gwyn answer. You have done a fair bit of moaning yourself recently. The pro red brigade have not convinced the rest of us over the rebranding and the fans have spoken out against it in sufficient numbers to put it on hold. You can hardly call this opposition a minority reaction otherwise the rebranding would have gone ahead regardless.Since then you have gone on national tv and taken every opportunity to tell us that we will be playing non league football, go bust or spend an eternity in hell.The fans have spoken out against the rebranding so you must now accept it and await our fate like everyone else.
Some of the posters on here do not have the exposure that you have, nor do they have the opportunity to manipulate the media so this is their only outlet and surely not even you would deny them this.

I have to disagree I don't think the fans reaction is responsible for putting the rebranding on hold. I don't for one minute believe that there was ever any plan to have us playing in red next season.

If the rebranding is eventually introduced it will be when Langston is resolved and VT has full control of the club.

Believe me if VT then wants to rebrand he will and quite frankly your view won't stop anything.

I agree 100% with you Tony , the timescale for all of this to happen ready for next season was way too small .... maybe in a year or two then OK .

Ive seen some posters start a topic other than a cardiff one or a swansea thread only to be given shit by the same arseholes on that are name calling the fans who dont mind the so called re branding.
Then theres people making up false names just to mess about or cause trouble.
MM's board was apparently known for its snipping well this board is worse at the moment.
There should be a policy on here that if you dont like a thread or have no interest in it dont post on it

Bit hypocritical, this. You often post in threads I've either made or commented on, choosing to deride my opinions by claiming I'm an "arse-licker", when in actuality you could have just followed your own advice and not posted in it?

The answer is then SET UP YOUR OWN MESSAGE BOARD, loads have tried and most have failed, perhaps this is so successful because it is run as it is, have you ever thought the minority of disgruntled moan at everything type fans are exactly that, the MINORITY, so just set up a board where you can all do what you want to with total freedom until the police jail the site owner for the cations of some irresponsible posters.

A typical Gwyn answer. You have done a fair bit of moaning yourself recently. The pro red brigade have not convinced the rest of us over the rebranding and the fans have spoken out against it in sufficient numbers to put it on hold. You can hardly call this opposition a minority reaction otherwise the rebranding would have gone ahead regardless.Since then you have gone on national tv and taken every opportunity to tell us that we will be playing non league football, go bust or spend an eternity in hell.The fans have spoken out against the rebranding so you must now accept it and await our fate like everyone else.
Some of the posters on here do not have the exposure that you have, nor do they have the opportunity to manipulate the media so this is their only outlet and surely not even you would deny them this.

I'm having my say on something that is very close to my heart, you can have your say and put your points forward.
Hopefully like an election, people will listen to both sides and lot's of points of view and these points will help them to make their own minds up, Scaremongering, yes call it what you like, I am scared that we could wreck what I see as our best chance of getting some financial stability at our club.

If I share my worries and concerns on here or on tv etc, then people can take it on board or poo poo it, it's their choice,
but at least they may be made aware of some of the risks involved, and for those not worried, if things do go tits up, how ill they feel then, will they still stand up to be counted if the worse thing happens to us.

Is that what you refer to as manipulation, or is it just the case that I have a different view to you and possibly seen as winning the argument, am I the one in the minority here, look at the polls, speak to people in the street, perhaps you need to do some manipulating/debating and sell your view a bit better than you have done so far.

The answer is then SET UP YOUR OWN MESSAGE BOARD, loads have tried and most have failed, perhaps this is so successful because it is run as it is, have you ever thought the minority of disgruntled moan at everything type fans are exactly that, the MINORITY, so just set up a board where you can all do what you want to with total freedom until the police jail the site owner for the cations of some irresponsible posters.

I disagree Gwyn

This thread has had good posts on it - we all have different opinions a different types - thats what makes it good. Seeing different views can enlighten us.
Setting up seperate boards like the Judean peoples front and the peoples front of Judea is counter productive and promotes exclusion and not inclusion and can start entrenching miss trust and daer i say it.....hate!

The board has had a fair bit to deal with and the posts are a barometer of type fans feelings - We dont need to stab each other personally though.

I'd probably end up with a board of 1 as I'm a blue shade of purple!!!

I don't think you get where I'm coming from, I love this board, I love the debate and I love a good argument, so I don't moan about it, if people aren't happy with it, then leave or set up one they are happy with, This board is massively successful for all the reasons I like it, those criticising it are shitting on their own doorstep as far as i see it, if it isn't what they want, then why do they keep coming on here, some one like Adam angry midfielder as retired more times than frank Sinartra, but he still can't stop himself from coming back for more, so ask yourself why if itreally is that poor.

The answer is then SET UP YOUR OWN MESSAGE BOARD, loads have tried and most have failed, perhaps this is so successful because it is run as it is, have you ever thought the minority of disgruntled moan at everything type fans are exactly that, the MINORITY, so just set up a board where you can all do what you want to with total freedom until the police jail the site owner for the cations of some irresponsible posters.

A typical Gwyn answer. You have done a fair bit of moaning yourself recently. The pro red brigade have not convinced the rest of us over the rebranding and the fans have spoken out against it in sufficient numbers to put it on hold. You can hardly call this opposition a minority reaction otherwise the rebranding would have gone ahead regardless.Since then you have gone on national tv and taken every opportunity to tell us that we will be playing non league football, go bust or spend an eternity in hell.The fans have spoken out against the rebranding so you must now accept it and await our fate like everyone else.
Some of the posters on here do not have the exposure that you have, nor do they have the opportunity to manipulate the media so this is their only outlet and surely not even you would deny them this.

I'm having my say on something that is very close to my heart, you can have your say and put your points forward.
Hopefully like an election, people will listen to both sides and lot's of points of view and these points will help them to make their own minds up, Scaremongering, yes call it what you like, I am scared that we could wreck what I see as our best chance of getting some financial stability at our club.

If I share my worries and concerns on here or on tv etc, then people can take it on board or poo poo it, it's their choice,
but at least they may be made aware of some of the risks involved, and for those not worried, if things do go tits up, how ill they feel then, will they still stand up to be counted if the worse thing happens to us.

Is that what you refer to as manipulation, or is it just the case that I have a different view to you and possibly seen as winning the argument, am I the one in the minority here, look at the polls, speak to people in the street, perhaps you need to do some manipulating/debating and sell your view a bit better than you have done so far.

Gwyn I am also afraid of what the future might hold but myself along with a host of other fans were prepared to take the risk of opposing these proposals.The proposals have been opposed and the plans have been shelved for the time being and this is where we now find ourselves and we cannot put the genie back in the bottle. Gwyn you are more than entitled to have your opinion on what you think the result of our desicion may bring and you have had the luxury platform of using the media to get your points across.There is no need to keep putting out messages of what the risks are as most of us were already aware of them when we opposed the rebranding. Although entitled to your views, they can only be pure speculation until the Malaysians make their next move.

The answer is then SET UP YOUR OWN MESSAGE BOARD, loads have tried and most have failed, perhaps this is so successful because it is run as it is, have you ever thought the minority of disgruntled moan at everything type fans are exactly that, the MINORITY, so just set up a board where you can all do what you want to with total freedom until the police jail the site owner for the cations of some irresponsible posters.

A typical Gwyn answer. You have done a fair bit of moaning yourself recently. The pro red brigade have not convinced the rest of us over the rebranding and the fans have spoken out against it in sufficient numbers to put it on hold. You can hardly call this opposition a minority reaction otherwise the rebranding would have gone ahead regardless.Since then you have gone on national tv and taken every opportunity to tell us that we will be playing non league football, go bust or spend an eternity in hell.The fans have spoken out against the rebranding so you must now accept it and await our fate like everyone else.
Some of the posters on here do not have the exposure that you have, nor do they have the opportunity to manipulate the media so this is their only outlet and surely not even you would deny them this.

I have to disagree I don't think the fans reaction is responsible for putting the rebranding on hold. I don't for one minute believe that there was ever any plan to have us playing in red next season.

If the rebranding is eventually introduced it will be when Langston is resolved and VT has full control of the club.

Believe me if VT then wants to rebrand he will and quite frankly your view won't stop anything.

I don't agree Tony.It was the massive reaction to the proposals that have made the Malaysians take note. They are astute business men and know if they are struggling to get the rebranding accepted at home then there is little chance of it being 100% successful on the world stage.
Nice to see that you have retained the blue in your username though.

The answer is then SET UP YOUR OWN MESSAGE BOARD, loads have tried and most have failed, perhaps this is so successful because it is run as it is, have you ever thought the minority of disgruntled moan at everything type fans are exactly that, the MINORITY, so just set up a board where you can all do what you want to with total freedom until the police jail the site owner for the cations of some irresponsible posters.

A typical Gwyn answer. You have done a fair bit of moaning yourself recently. The pro red brigade have not convinced the rest of us over the rebranding and the fans have spoken out against it in sufficient numbers to put it on hold. You can hardly call this opposition a minority reaction otherwise the rebranding would have gone ahead regardless.Since then you have gone on national tv and taken every opportunity to tell us that we will be playing non league football, go bust or spend an eternity in hell.The fans have spoken out against the rebranding so you must now accept it and await our fate like everyone else.
Some of the posters on here do not have the exposure that you have, nor do they have the opportunity to manipulate the media so this is their only outlet and surely not even you would deny them this.

I'm having my say on something that is very close to my heart, you can have your say and put your points forward.
Hopefully like an election, people will listen to both sides and lot's of points of view and these points will help them to make their own minds up, Scaremongering, yes call it what you like, I am scared that we could wreck what I see as our best chance of getting some financial stability at our club.

If I share my worries and concerns on here or on tv etc, then people can take it on board or poo poo it, it's their choice,
but at least they may be made aware of some of the risks involved, and for those not worried, if things do go tits up, how ill they feel then, will they still stand up to be counted if the worse thing happens to us.

Is that what you refer to as manipulation, or is it just the case that I have a different view to you and possibly seen as winning the argument, am I the one in the minority here, look at the polls, speak to people in the street, perhaps you need to do some manipulating/debating and sell your view a bit better than you have done so far.

Gwyn I am also afraid of what the future might hold but myself along with a host of other fans were prepared to take the risk of opposing these proposals.The proposals have been opposed and the plans have been shelved for the time being and this is where we now find ourselves and we cannot put the genie back in the bottle. Gwyn you are more than entitled to have your opinion on what you think the result of our desicion may bring and you have had the luxury platform of using the media to get your points across.There is no need to keep putting out messages of what the risks are as most of us were already aware of them when we opposed the rebranding. Although entitled to your views, they can only be pure speculation until the Malaysians make their next move.

Not having a pop here, but as you've questioned Gwyn's right to represent the fans, what do you think gives you the right to gamble with our future, by taking a risk in opposing the proposals, when you clearly speak for the minority of City fans?

Whilst there hasn't been a full concensus taken from all or even the majority of our fans, I think it's clear that the majority would have at least accepted the change of shirt colour and even the badge change if it came to it, in order to secure the future of our club!

http://www.ccsc.co.uk/index.php?option= ... 8&Itemid=8

I accept that both sides of the argument are entitled to their opinions, but I can't see why you seem to be continually hounding Gwyn, when he at least seems to have the majority view on his side!

The answer is then SET UP YOUR OWN MESSAGE BOARD, loads have tried and most have failed, perhaps this is so successful because it is run as it is, have you ever thought the minority of disgruntled moan at everything type fans are exactly that, the MINORITY, so just set up a board where you can all do what you want to with total freedom until the police jail the site owner for the cations of some irresponsible posters.

A typical Gwyn answer. You have done a fair bit of moaning yourself recently. The pro red brigade have not convinced the rest of us over the rebranding and the fans have spoken out against it in sufficient numbers to put it on hold. You can hardly call this opposition a minority reaction otherwise the rebranding would have gone ahead regardless.Since then you have gone on national tv and taken every opportunity to tell us that we will be playing non league football, go bust or spend an eternity in hell.The fans have spoken out against the rebranding so you must now accept it and await our fate like everyone else.
Some of the posters on here do not have the exposure that you have, nor do they have the opportunity to manipulate the media so this is their only outlet and surely not even you would deny them this.

I have to disagree I don't think the fans reaction is responsible for putting the rebranding on hold. I don't for one minute believe that there was ever any plan to have us playing in red next season.

If the rebranding is eventually introduced it will be when Langston is resolved and VT has full control of the club.

Believe me if VT then wants to rebrand he will and quite frankly your view won't stop anything.

I don't agree Tony. It was the massive reaction to the proposals that have made the Malaysians take note. They are astute business men and know if they are struggling to get the rebranding accepted at home then there is little chance of it being 100% successful on the world stage.
Nice to see that you have retained the blue in your username though.

Might have been a massive initial reaction to the news of the re-branding, but as soon as the dust settled and the majority of fans realised what the full outcome of not accepting the proposals meant, there was a massive U-Turn!

I suppose this initial massive reaction, was also amplified by the disgusting behaviour of some people (Cardiff supporters or not), who then choose to send threatening and insulting e-mails to the Malaysians!

Not having a pop here, but as you've questioned Gwyn's right to represent the fans, what do you think gives you the right to gamble with our future, by taking a risk in opposing the proposals, when you clearly speak for the minority of City fans?

Whilst there hasn't been a full concensus taken from all or even the majority of our fans, I think it's clear that the majority would have at least accepted the change of shirt colour and even the badge change if it came to it, in order to secure the future of our club!

http://www.ccsc.co.uk/index.php?option= ... 8&Itemid=8

I accept that both sides of the argument are entitled to their opinions, but I can't see why you seem to be continually hounding Gwyn, when he at least seems to have the majority view on his side! [/quote]

I have not just questioned Gwyn's right to represent fans but have also put up arguments which detail my position which Gwyn is entitled to disagree with. You make the statement "what gives me the right to gamble with our future" and I would answer that by saying that sufficient number of fans came forward and opposed the rebranding so it was not just me, however the fans came forward in such numbers as to be taken seriously, so you can hardly say that it was only a mere minority. Again you make the sweeping statement that Gwyn has the majority view on his side but that's not only unproven but also irrelevant as my opinion is no less valid regardless of how many agree or disagree with it. From the stance in your post I detect that you were part of the pro red brigade. There is nothing wrong with that and you are as entitled to your view as I am mine but the decision to oppsose the rebranding has already been made and it is pointless speculating further until the Malaysians make their future intentions known.

Might have been a massive initial reaction to the news of the re-branding, but as soon as the dust settled and the majority of fans realised what the full outcome of not accepting the proposals meant, there was a massive U-Turn!

I suppose this initial massive reaction, was also amplified by the disgusting behaviour of some people (Cardiff supporters or not), who then choose to send threatening and insulting e-mails to the Malaysians![/quote]

If (as you claim) it was only an initial reaction then why would the Malaysians not realise this and restart negotiations.
Again you state that the majority of fans have done a massive u turn yet all the fans I speak to have not rolled over despite a concerted effort by some to put out propaganda aimed to frighten fans into changing their minds. I will agree about the disgusting e mails aimed at the Malaysians and there is no place for that type of behavior but the actions of these idiots should not be used to taint the genuine beliefs of the pro blue movement.

Not having a pop here, but as you've questioned Gwyn's right to represent the fans, what do you think gives you the right to gamble with our future, by taking a risk in opposing the proposals, when you clearly speak for the minority of City fans?

Whilst there hasn't been a full concensus taken from all or even the majority of our fans, I think it's clear that the majority would have at least accepted the change of shirt colour and even the badge change if it came to it, in order to secure the future of our club!

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I accept that both sides of the argument are entitled to their opinions, but I can't see why you seem to be continually hounding Gwyn, when he at least seems to have the majority view on his side!

I have not just questioned Gwyn's right to represent fans but have also put up arguments which detail my position which Gwyn is entitled to disagree with. You make the statement "what gives me the right to gamble with our future" and I would answer that by saying that sufficient number of fans came forward and opposed the rebranding so it was not just me, however the fans came forward in such numbers as to be taken seriously, so you can hardly say that it was only a mere minority. Again you make the sweeping statement that Gwyn has the majority view on his side but that's not only unproven but also irrelevant as my opinion is no less valid regardless of how many agree or disagree with it. From the stance in your post I detect that you were part of the pro red brigade. There is nothing wrong with that and you are as entitled to your view as I am mine but the decision to oppsose the rebranding has already been made and it is pointless speculating further until the Malaysians make their future intentions known. [/quote]

I have been reading your many posts over the past few days in particular and in the main, they are well worded and well thought out, although I fail to see why you've been so forceful in your pursuit of Gwyn, who I don't even know btw!

I didn't say that you were the only one who came out in opposition to the rebranding, as it was clear when the leak was first made on the message boards, that there was a lot of fans (not necessarily the majority of fans though), who were against the colour and badge change!

However, whilst the fans against the re-branding came out in force initially, there was a bloody big U Turn, when the full proposal was made public (ie., the £100 million investment) and the possible doomsday scenario, of not accepting the proposals hit home!

As you've decided to try and second guess my stance, I'll make it clear, as long as we stay as Cardiff City, I couldn't care less what colour we play in, as long it's not all white for obvious reasons, or pink like Stade Francais!

I also agree that the damage may already have been done, although I personally don't believe that it has been damaged beyond repair and that there is also no point in speculating at present!