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Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 4:12 pm

Thats the question on everyones lips today online , hopefully they will pay him half which is what he wants as i understand and we go from there because this has to be sorted to move on. Its the biggest hanger over are heads before any blue/red or even pink pj's as shirts topic comes in to it.
:ayatollah:
Last edited by Bluebird1977 on Tue May 15, 2012 4:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 4:15 pm

He was willing to take £10m off Ridsdale wasn't he?

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 4:16 pm

bspark wrote:He was willing to take £10m off Ridsdale wasn't he?

10million is all he wants its how they pay it i guess which is the stubble rite now, weather theres an outcome rite now or not it has to be payed or who knows :?

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 4:18 pm

bspark wrote:He was willing to take £10m off Ridsdale wasn't he?


And thats what he is still willing to take and except the rest as a loss.

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 4:20 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
bspark wrote:He was willing to take £10m off Ridsdale wasn't he?


And thats what he is still willing to take and except the rest as a loss.


Annis are they also releasing the club from the stadium naming clause as well or will they still be due the first few millions of any deal?

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 4:20 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
bspark wrote:He was willing to take £10m off Ridsdale wasn't he?


And thats what he is still willing to take and except the rest as a loss.

:ayatollah: Yet people run him down 24/7 on here :lol:

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 4:22 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
bspark wrote:He was willing to take £10m off Ridsdale wasn't he?


And thats what he is still willing to take and except the rest as a loss.


If a settlement is agreed, then id guess that he wont even get that much. I guess we'll only get proper confirmation when the relevant accounts are released.

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 4:23 pm

bluebird1977 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
bspark wrote:He was willing to take £10m off Ridsdale wasn't he?


And thats what he is still willing to take and except the rest as a loss.

:ayatollah: Yet people run him down 24/7 on here :lol:



What has been the interest rate in that time ? He won't be taking a net loss !!! I hope it gets done, like DJ it is time for us to move on with no animosity. He did make us think bigger.

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 4:26 pm

bluebird1977 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
bspark wrote:He was willing to take £10m off Ridsdale wasn't he?


And thats what he is still willing to take and except the rest as a loss.

:ayatollah: Yet people run him down 24/7 on here :lol:


He has always been willing to negotiate/compromise and except a loss. But it was put out by our club that forensic scientists will be taking over etc :lol: and we will never do a deal with him. :roll:

Yet the last few weeks they have non stopped been meeting him etc :lol:

I am willing to move forward, Sam is willing to go, we want success but have pride and love for Blue/Bluebird/Badge ect but are willing to compromise for our future even though I dont agree with it, but I stand by I am glad I stuck by still wanting to be known as the Bluebirds etc. :ayatollah:

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 4:26 pm

llan bluebird wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
bspark wrote:He was willing to take £10m off Ridsdale wasn't he?


And thats what he is still willing to take and except the rest as a loss.

:ayatollah: Yet people run him down 24/7 on here :lol:



What has been the interest rate in that time ? He won't be taking a net loss !!! I hope it gets done, like DJ it is time for us to move on with no animosity. He did make us think bigger.

i dont even think the intrest has been mounted on that if it has then it would be a few million im guessing over time, i know there was clauses in there so tbh 10 million is a snip considering it should be near 26m+ if you add clauses/intrest ect. Lets hope they pay him and and thats the end of it.

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 4:27 pm

llan bluebird wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
bspark wrote:He was willing to take £10m off Ridsdale wasn't he?


And thats what he is still willing to take and except the rest as a loss.

:ayatollah: Yet people run him down 24/7 on here :lol:



What has been the interest rate in that time ? He won't be taking a net loss !!! I hope it gets done, like DJ it is time for us to move on with no animosity. He did make us think bigger.


Of course he has taken a massive loss.
Sam hasnt been paid a penny since the Malaysians took over.

Remember they charge us 7% now on the money they have lent us so far.

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:00 pm

Good to hear since Sam was the one who got us into the shit in the first place. Held us for random for years now and I hope we finally see the back of him ASAP

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:03 pm

Carpe Diem wrote:Good to hear since Sam was the one who got us into the shit in the first place. Held us for random for years now and I hope we finally see the back of him ASAP

Same as its time we turned over a new leaf, but you could also say where would we be without him today or where would we be if he didnt accept 10million he wants and wanted all his money back so in a way hes doing us a favour so to speak by taking less than half what hes owed i guess :ayatollah:

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:07 pm

i dont care what anyone says, i liked sam, imagine if the money came from lloyds tsb? we would have been gone years ago, langstons is sams money, and sam wont see us go under, SAM THE MANS BARMY ARMY :ayatollah:

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:08 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
llan bluebird wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
bspark wrote:He was willing to take £10m off Ridsdale wasn't he?


And thats what he is still willing to take and except the rest as a loss.

:ayatollah: Yet people run him down 24/7 on here :lol:



What has been the interest rate in that time ? He won't be taking a net loss !!! I hope it gets done, like DJ it is time for us to move on with no animosity. He did make us think bigger.


Of course he has taken a massive loss.
Sam hasnt been paid a penny since the Malaysians took over.

Remember they charge us 7% now on the money they have lent us so far.


So what's 7% on a 100 million?

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:09 pm

bluebird1977 wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:Good to hear since Sam was the one who got us into the shit in the first place. Held us for random for years now and I hope we finally see the back of him ASAP

Same as its time we turned over a new leaf, but you could also say where would we be without him today or where would we be if he didnt accept 10million he wants and wanted all his money back so in a way hes doing us a favour so to speak by taking less than half what hes owed i guess :ayatollah:





Its not his money is it?

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:10 pm

Fusilier52 wrote: So what's 7% on a 100 million?


Is this a trick question :?

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:10 pm

Maybe but I reckon all he did was pump money in whilst fooling us that he was some sort if benefactor when in reality it was simply loaned to us from his own company. Don't forget the so called admin fees he was charging the club each year which was effectively interest. He did ok out if it at the time but if he got burnt then good - its the price gamblers pay.

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:13 pm

bluebird1977 wrote:
Fusilier52 wrote: So what's 7% on a 100 million?


Is this a trick question :?


If he swapped the debt for equity no interest would be added as the club would have not debt for interet to be gained on :ayatollah:

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:13 pm

Bluethrough wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:Good to hear since Sam was the one who got us into the shit in the first place. Held us for random for years now and I hope we finally see the back of him ASAP

Same as its time we turned over a new leaf, but you could also say where would we be without him today or where would we be if he didnt accept 10million he wants and wanted all his money back so in a way hes doing us a favour so to speak by taking less than half what hes owed i guess :ayatollah:





Its not his money is it?

So if its not his money whos money is it then as i can not see why anyone would want to make a 20million loss if they didnt feel anything for the club , just my view.

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:20 pm

Carpe Diem wrote:Maybe but I reckon all he did was pump money in whilst fooling us that he was some sort if benefactor when in reality it was simply loaned to us from his own company. Don't forget the so called admin fees he was charging the club each year which was effectively interest. He did ok out if it at the time but if he got burnt then good - its the price gamblers pay.


Do you really think sam put money in to make nothing back which is what has done and will happen as he will make a loss of alot more than people think if he gets payed the 10 million he wants , how the malaysians pay it thats the key here or will they say one thing and do another who knows. what i do know is this we wouldnt be here today without him, it dont mean im a sam fan either, but we need to pay him and turn over a new leaf thats the bottom line because if the langston thing drags on then how can the club address other areas with the biggest single debt of all hanging over are heads STILL . thats my point here.
:ayatollah:

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:31 pm

bluebird1977 wrote:
Bluethrough wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:Good to hear since Sam was the one who got us into the shit in the first place. Held us for random for years now and I hope we finally see the back of him ASAP

Same as its time we turned over a new leaf, but you could also say where would we be without him today or where would we be if he didnt accept 10million he wants and wanted all his money back so in a way hes doing us a favour so to speak by taking less than half what hes owed i guess :ayatollah:





Its not his money is it?

So if its not his money whos money is it then as i can not see why anyone would want to make a 20million loss if they didnt feel anything for the club , just my view.




Langston I thought

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:35 pm

Bluethrough wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Bluethrough wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:Good to hear since Sam was the one who got us into the shit in the first place. Held us for random for years now and I hope we finally see the back of him ASAP

Same as its time we turned over a new leaf, but you could also say where would we be without him today or where would we be if he didnt accept 10million he wants and wanted all his money back so in a way hes doing us a favour so to speak by taking less than half what hes owed i guess :ayatollah:





Its not his money is it?

So if its not his money whos money is it then as i can not see why anyone would want to make a 20million loss if they didnt feel anything for the club , just my view.




Langston I thought

Well if hes representing others then i doubt they would be willing to take a hit like that. thats my view anyway.

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:37 pm

bluebird1977 wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:Maybe but I reckon all he did was pump money in whilst fooling us that he was some sort if benefactor when in reality it was simply loaned to us from his own company. Don't forget the so called admin fees he was charging the club each year which was effectively interest. He did ok out if it at the time but if he got burnt then good - its the price gamblers pay.


Do you really think sam put money in to make nothing back which is what has done and will happen as he will make a loss of alot more than people think if he gets payed the 10 million he wants , how the malaysians pay it thats the key here or will they say one thing and do another who knows. what i do know is this we wouldnt be here today without him, it dont mean im a sam fan either, but we need to pay him and turn over a new leaf thats the bottom line because if the langston thing drags on then how can the club address other areas with the biggest single debt of all hanging over are heads STILL . thats my point here.
:ayatollah:


I agree we need to move on and pay him off. But at the time there was no talk of "don't forget I'm only loaning you ths money". Clubs have benefitted from benefactors such as jack walker and I thought, naively, we had ours. At best sell us in the prem league and make your money back and more. But he failed and basically all he did was gamble with our club. Rant over :old:

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:43 pm

bluebird1977 wrote:
Fusilier52 wrote: So what's 7% on a 100 million?


Is this a trick question :?

No , without knowing the detail is the proposed 100 million investment a loan if so surely your turnover will have to increase significantly just to keep up with the interest repayments

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:49 pm

Carpe Diem wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:Maybe but I reckon all he did was pump money in whilst fooling us that he was some sort if benefactor when in reality it was simply loaned to us from his own company. Don't forget the so called admin fees he was charging the club each year which was effectively interest. He did ok out if it at the time but if he got burnt then good - its the price gamblers pay.


Do you really think sam put money in to make nothing back which is what has done and will happen as he will make a loss of alot more than people think if he gets payed the 10 million he wants , how the malaysians pay it thats the key here or will they say one thing and do another who knows. what i do know is this we wouldnt be here today without him, it dont mean im a sam fan either, but we need to pay him and turn over a new leaf thats the bottom line because if the langston thing drags on then how can the club address other areas with the biggest single debt of all hanging over are heads STILL . thats my point here.
:ayatollah:


I agree we need to move on and pay him off. But at the time there was no talk of "don't forget I'm only loaning you ths money". Clubs have benefitted from benefactors such as jack walker and I thought, naively, we had ours. At best sell us in the prem league and make your money back and more. But he failed and basically all he did was gamble with our club. Rant over :old:

Well we agree on moving on then, but i fail to see any how you can compare sam to jack walker as hes dead for a start and didnt really have a say in it after he was gone i suppose. I carnt see how sam failed tbh why or how people think we just jumped leagues on a 500£ a week budget is a myth to me. The day he left us we was top of the league 4points clear or was it 6 points carnt remember and we had 30million worth of talent on are books who were all sold after he left by the riddler thats the facts here. eitherway he made mistakes im sure of that but he needs paying off and we move on to another chapter :ayatollah:

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 9:57 pm

Fusilier52 wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Fusilier52 wrote: So what's 7% on a 100 million?


Is this a trick question :?

No , without knowing the detail is the proposed 100 million investment a loan if so surely your turnover will have to increase significantly just to keep up with the interest repayments


7% is what they are currently charging us i think but weather its 7% or 25% there not getting f**k all back as it stands rite now because there having to put more and more in thats why they want to turn it in to them being the sole owner meaning 100million in to equity equals ccfc is owned 100% by the malaysians so anything after the outgoings per month is theres i guess untill they sell up or whatever they deside to do thats anyones guess rite now. Thats what im told anyway.

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 10:16 pm

bluebird1977 wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:Maybe but I reckon all he did was pump money in whilst fooling us that he was some sort if benefactor when in reality it was simply loaned to us from his own company. Don't forget the so called admin fees he was charging the club each year which was effectively interest. He did ok out if it at the time but if he got burnt then good - its the price gamblers pay.


Do you really think sam put money in to make nothing back which is what has done and will happen as he will make a loss of alot more than people think if he gets payed the 10 million he wants , how the malaysians pay it thats the key here or will they say one thing and do another who knows. what i do know is this we wouldnt be here today without him, it dont mean im a sam fan either, but we need to pay him and turn over a new leaf thats the bottom line because if the langston thing drags on then how can the club address other areas with the biggest single debt of all hanging over are heads STILL . thats my point here.
:ayatollah:


I agree we need to move on and pay him off. But at the time there was no talk of "don't forget I'm only loaning you ths money". Clubs have benefitted from benefactors such as jack walker and I thought, naively, we had ours. At best sell us in the prem league and make your money back and more. But he failed and basically all he did was gamble with our club. Rant over :old:

Well we agree on moving on then, but i fail to see any how you can compare sam to jack walker as hes dead for a start and didnt really have a say in it after he was gone i suppose. I carnt see how sam failed tbh why or how people think we just jumped leagues on a 500£ a week budget is a myth to me. The day he left us we was top of the league 4points clear or was it 6 points carnt remember and we had 30million worth of talent on are books who were all sold after he left by the riddler thats the facts here. eitherway he made mistakes im sure of that but he needs paying off and we move on to another chapter :ayatollah:


Sorry have to make myself clear. I referred to walker as a benefactor of that era. Sure there were others but he was the first name I thought of. I wad trying to compare someobe who effectively gifted money as opposed to Sam who simply borrowed until it went bang. And of course we had success but all built on cash that was never ours to spend. The riddler had to sell or we were going under as the wage bill outweighed income. Doubt we are going agree but respect to you and let's hope the next few weeks sees us debt free and we are arguing as to whether buying Jordan Rhodes for 5m was too much :ayatollah:

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 10:19 pm

Carpe Diem wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Carpe Diem wrote:Maybe but I reckon all he did was pump money in whilst fooling us that he was some sort if benefactor when in reality it was simply loaned to us from his own company. Don't forget the so called admin fees he was charging the club each year which was effectively interest. He did ok out if it at the time but if he got burnt then good - its the price gamblers pay.


Do you really think sam put money in to make nothing back which is what has done and will happen as he will make a loss of alot more than people think if he gets payed the 10 million he wants , how the malaysians pay it thats the key here or will they say one thing and do another who knows. what i do know is this we wouldnt be here today without him, it dont mean im a sam fan either, but we need to pay him and turn over a new leaf thats the bottom line because if the langston thing drags on then how can the club address other areas with the biggest single debt of all hanging over are heads STILL . thats my point here.
:ayatollah:


I agree we need to move on and pay him off. But at the time there was no talk of "don't forget I'm only loaning you ths money". Clubs have benefitted from benefactors such as jack walker and I thought, naively, we had ours. At best sell us in the prem league and make your money back and more. But he failed and basically all he did was gamble with our club. Rant over :old:

Well we agree on moving on then, but i fail to see any how you can compare sam to jack walker as hes dead for a start and didnt really have a say in it after he was gone i suppose. I carnt see how sam failed tbh why or how people think we just jumped leagues on a 500£ a week budget is a myth to me. The day he left us we was top of the league 4points clear or was it 6 points carnt remember and we had 30million worth of talent on are books who were all sold after he left by the riddler thats the facts here. eitherway he made mistakes im sure of that but he needs paying off and we move on to another chapter :ayatollah:


Sorry have to make myself clear. I referred to walker as a benefactor of that era. Sure there were others but he was the first name I thought of. I wad trying to compare someobe who effectively gifted money as opposed to Sam who simply borrowed until it went bang. And of course we had success but all built on cash that was never ours to spend. The riddler had to sell or we were going under as the wage bill outweighed income. Doubt we are going agree but respect to you and let's hope the next few weeks sees us debt free and we are arguing as to whether buying Jordan Rhodes for 5m was too much :ayatollah:

Lets hope so and in blue of course :ayatollah:

Re: Will sam get payed in full

Tue May 15, 2012 10:26 pm

Hope so, but red if necessary. But let's not go there now!