What's the point of the trust ballot?

When the rebranding has been withdrawn.
Horse and door comes to mind.

Has it been withdrawn or just postponed? hmmm

Has it been withdrawn or just postponed? hmmm

Sorry I'm looking at your avator.What were we talking about ?

When the rebranding has been withdrawn.
Horse and door comes to mind.

Not trying to stir things up, but I was thinking the same, what are we hoping to achieve, to me it would seem like just fanning the flames.

Even if we did an accurate poll of every City fan in the world, there would be no winners, because not everyone would be happy.

At the end of the day, do we want to force VT to stick with Blue at the cost of the investment and the possibility of him , pulling out of the club, frightening and I don't want to take the gamble.
I'm sure he's more than aware of high passions are, and will appreciate what it means to us, hopefully he will appreciate the scarifice we are making and it will show him how committed we are to them and it goes all the way to the top.

Fingers crossed for all of us, let's move on.

When the rebranding has been withdrawn.
Horse and door comes to mind.

hi mate

as far as I am aware the ballot is being carried out by the supporters club , not the trust

When the rebranding has been withdrawn.
Horse and door comes to mind.

hi mate

as far as I am aware the ballot is being carried out by the supporters club , not the trust

whatever boyo

When the rebranding has been withdrawn.
Horse and door comes to mind.

hi mate

as far as I am aware the ballot is being carried out by the supporters club , not the trust

whatever boyo

NICE SPEAKING TO YOU XX

My only gripe would be ' why should this minority speak for everyone'

When the rebranding has been withdrawn.
Horse and door comes to mind.

Not trying to stir things up, but I was thinking the same, what are we hoping to achieve, to me it would seem like just fanning the flames.

Even if we did an accurate poll of every City fan in the world, there would be no winners, because not everyone would be happy.

At the end of the day, do we want to force VT to stick with Blue at the cost of the investment and the possibility of him , pulling out of the club, frightening and I don't want to take the gamble.
I'm sure he's more than aware of high passions are, and will appreciate what it means to us, hopefully he will appreciate the scarifice we are making and it will show him how committed we are to them and it goes all the way to the top.

Fingers crossed for all of us, let's move on.

Its called democracy Gwyn and you should give it a try sometime. Given the choice of being balloted in order to try and establish some honest opinion opposed to be told by you "who the hell do we think we are asking for consultation" then the ballot wins every time.
You are entitled to your opinions the same as everyone else but you overstep the mark when you tell us that we do not have the right to consultation.
What we need now is a proper system put in place that prevents unelected fans leaders from being called into important meetings to represent the views of the masses. In all fairness most of the fans leaders (you included) have done and continue to do a lot of good work on behalf of the the fans and the club but this situation has highlighted the need for a more democratic approach to better represent the majority view. These elected fans leaders, not only need to galvanise our opinions but to represent these opinions in proper forums where we have a platform to interact with our owners.If this can be established then we might avoid situations such as we have endured this past week which I am sure that we would all wish to avaoid in future.

When the rebranding has been withdrawn.
Horse and door comes to mind.

Not trying to stir things up, but I was thinking the same, what are we hoping to achieve, to me it would seem like just fanning the flames.

Even if we did an accurate poll of every City fan in the world, there would be no winners, because not everyone would be happy.

At the end of the day, do we want to force VT to stick with Blue at the cost of the investment and the possibility of him , pulling out of the club, frightening and I don't want to take the gamble.
I'm sure he's more than aware of high passions are, and will appreciate what it means to us, hopefully he will appreciate the scarifice we are making and it will show him how committed we are to them and it goes all the way to the top.

Fingers crossed for all of us, let's move on.

But you are stirring it up Gwyn - possibly not deliberately - by joining in the criticism without having even attempting to read what the initial poster in this thread refers to.

The only poll that I am aware of that has taken place since last Thursday`s meeting was one conducted by the Supporters Club on its website on Friday. Nothing to do with the Supporters Trust at all , as the Trust surveys were between the two meetings on Tuesday and Thursday.

For the sake of clarity , and to put right those who may simply take your word on such things , could you at least state on hear that you have now taken the time to look into this and are now able to confirm that the poll referred to was nothing to do with the Trust and that your first post in this thread was just a knee jerk of reacting first(as someone who doesn`t like the Trust or what it does or stands for) then thinking and researching the truth of the matter after.

After all , you have been quick to criticise simialr knee jerk reactions in several other threads of yours over the last few days.

Keith

My only gripe would be ' why should this minority speak for everyone'

anyone can join the supporters club or trust and stand for election

its not a closed shop

anyway I think supporter representation at our club is now fecked

welcome to tjhe world of corporate football


cheers all

I don't want to join anything - I am my own person & have my own opinions

I don't want to join anything - I am my own person & have my own opinions

youve got a gripe that this group ...supporters club mind remember , not trust ....this poll is nothing to with the trust....are representing you yet you dont want to join ?

well there really cant be any more point in conversing

but just to repeat ....this is a supporters club ballot and not a trust one

cheers

When the rebranding has been withdrawn.
Horse and door comes to mind.

Not trying to stir things up, but I was thinking the same, what are we hoping to achieve, to me it would seem like just fanning the flames.

Even if we did an accurate poll of every City fan in the world, there would be no winners, because not everyone would be happy.

At the end of the day, do we want to force VT to stick with Blue at the cost of the investment and the possibility of him , pulling out of the club, frightening and I don't want to take the gamble.
I'm sure he's more than aware of high passions are, and will appreciate what it means to us, hopefully he will appreciate the scarifice we are making and it will show him how committed we are to them and it goes all the way to the top.

Fingers crossed for all of us, let's move on.

nothing to do with the trust gwyn

I think the club should ask season ticket holders - real supporters not some cronies from a trust/supporters club

I've had well documented disagreements with the Trust in the past, but their statements lately have led to them going up in my estimation.

Also, it was the supporters club. Seems the trust are very easily targeted, when really other individuals are more in need of criticism.

I think the club should ask season ticket holders - real supporters not some cronies from a trust/supporters club

strange as this may sound most trust members are season ticket holders and have been fans for many years ....very real supporters

vince alm is from the supporters club ...do you think he is not a real fan ?

you are not getting this are you ?

not going to waste any more ink

I've had well documented disagreements with the Trust in the past, but their statements lately have led to them going up in my estimation.

Also, it was the supporters club. Seems the trust are very easily targeted, when really other individuals are more in need of criticism.

some people dont know thier arse from their elbow

I've had well documented disagreements with the Trust in the past, but their statements lately have led to them going up in my estimation.

Also, it was the supporters club. Seems the trust are very easily targeted, when really other individuals are more in need of criticism.

some people dont know thier arse from their elbow

You'd probably include me in that, Sludge (on past encounters)

I've had well documented disagreements with the Trust in the past, but their statements lately have led to them going up in my estimation.

Also, it was the supporters club. Seems the trust are very easily targeted, when really other individuals are more in need of criticism.

some people dont know thier arse from their elbow

You'd probably include me in that, Sludge (on past encounters)

nope I am an easy going guy mate

apart from when anyone slags off black sabbath

I've had well documented disagreements with the Trust in the past, but their statements lately have led to them going up in my estimation.

Also, it was the supporters club. Seems the trust are very easily targeted, when really other individuals are more in need of criticism.

some people dont know thier arse from their elbow

You'd probably include me in that, Sludge (on past encounters)

nope I am an easy going guy mate

apart from when anyone slags off black sabbath

First 5 albums are amazing

black sabbath are shite the nolans better

black sabbath are shite the nolans better

I hope you are not referring to Kevin Nolan.

Trusts for me dont work at this kind of level.

Jeez Merthyr got a trust and they are split from other fans groups and their attendances are just 400 or so.

When the rebranding has been withdrawn.
Horse and door comes to mind.

Not trying to stir things up, but I was thinking the same, what are we hoping to achieve, to me it would seem like just fanning the flames.

Even if we did an accurate poll of every City fan in the world, there would be no winners, because not everyone would be happy.

At the end of the day, do we want to force VT to stick with Blue at the cost of the investment and the possibility of him , pulling out of the club, frightening and I don't want to take the gamble.
I'm sure he's more than aware of high passions are, and will appreciate what it means to us, hopefully he will appreciate the scarifice we are making and it will show him how committed we are to them and it goes all the way to the top.

Fingers crossed for all of us, let's move on.

Its called democracy Gwyn and you should give it a try sometime. Given the choice of being balloted in order to try and establish some honest opinion opposed to be told by you "who the hell do we think we are asking for consultation" then the ballot wins every time.
You are entitled to your opinions the same as everyone else but you overstep the mark when you tell us that we do not have the right to consultation.
What we need now is a proper system put in place that prevents unelected fans leaders from being called into important meetings to represent the views of the masses. In all fairness most of the fans leaders (you included) have done and continue to do a lot of good work on behalf of the the fans and the club but this situation has highlighted the need for a more democratic approach to better represent the majority view. These elected fans leaders, not only need to galvanise our opinions but to represent these opinions in proper forums where we have a platform to interact with our owners.If this can be established then we might avoid situations such as we have endured this past week which I am sure that we would all wish to avaoid in future.

I know full well about democracy , but this is a business,what I was saying is even if the majority are against it, the final decision is down to the owner, not the customers, all for letting them know we not happy with the change, but better to let him know we trust him and are willing to do it if it means we progress rather than possibly fold.

Even if every man and his dog voted against it, unless we could come up with the money to buy the business, we a little stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Trusts for me dont work at this kind of level.

Jeez Merthyr got a trust and they are split from other fans groups and their attendances are just 400 or so.

Bang on the head Polo. To be straight to the point , the cardiff trust never got in a strong enough position from the outset. Why ? because the size and position of the Club at the start was already too big , Trusts are for very small tiddler Clubs where they can assist hopefully a skint board or owners .

The meeting held this week and the final decision should reflect the majority view of the fans. We are also investers in our club , if it was n't for the fans we would n't have a club ! No decision should be imposed on us that would just open up devides again.