Cardiff fans seeing red should be careful what they wish for

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SOMETIMES, when you are dilly-dallying over something and spend an eternity weighing up the pros and cons, you find it snatched away ... and suddenly ending up wanting it even more.

I’m sure we’ve each been there before, whether buying a house, a car, changing jobs, whatever.

So we come to Cardiff City and the big red or blue debate.

Like everyone else, my initial reaction was one of raised eyebrows. Too daft for words. You can’t just throw away the proud century-old tradition of a football club on a whim of selling a few more replica shirts in Asia.
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However, and I sense a growing majority of Cardiff fans moving in my direction on this, as the hours have elapsed, so has the view that this might not be such a bad thing.

Changing the colour of a shirt from blue to red does not cast aside the memories that go with beating Real Madrid, Andy Campbell’s play-off winner at the Millennium Stadium, reaching the FA Cup final, or seeing Craig Bellamy so splendidly wear the colours of his home-town club.

Of course such a radical re-branding goes against the grain.

But I ask the following question.

Would you prefer to see Cardiff City playing against Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal in the Premier League, or would you prefer the Bluebirds to be in the Championship, or lower levels of the game?

Perhaps an even more pertinent question, given the way this incredible story has evolved so quickly, is this.

Would you prefer to see Cardiff City playing in the Premier League in red, or would you prefer to see them potentially cease to trade?

I’m not saying that last doomsday scenario would happen, but at the very least the Malaysian owners have left a worrying question mark hovering over future finances after warning they will need to explore ways to ensure the club can “continue to trade”.

Their words, not mine. Scaremongering? Possibly, but is the risk worth taking?

Is playing in red shirts with a dragon on the crest such a big price to pay when a £100million investment is on the line? the other direction?

I repeat, when this idea was first mooted by initial reaction was one of scepticism. As time has moved on and I have learned more of the detail – and, more worryingly, what the alternative is – I’m becoming more and more in favour of a red future.

Interestingly, although some Supporters Trust officials appear to remain opposed to such change, I notice other fans’ representatives have done U-turns and are today very much in favour of the red kit.

by Paul Abbandonato, Western Mail

Ive been saying this all week and have been called all names under sun and told I'd rather see Cardiff play in dregs than see them play top teams in red!!!!


So many change their tune now though.

CCFC Hypocrites!!

Great article and spot on stating that some of the supporters leaders!!! have done U turns now that the damage has been done and it may be to late, should have thought before shooting from the hip, position comes with responsibility.

So many change their tune now though.

CCFC Hypocrites!!

one of them being merlin

Ive been saying this all week and have been called all names under sun and told I'd rather see Cardiff play in dregs than see them play top teams in red!!!!


So many change their tune now though.

CCFC Hypocrites!!

As is anyone's right.

People change their mind. Sometimes there is a need to.

For me it was never so much the colour change but the disappearance of the of the bluebird in favour of a dragon. The other issue for me was the complete lack of consultation with the fans coupled with the threat that we must accept these changes or face the loss of investment. I am glad that we stood up to these proposals and instead of waiting to be thrown a few crumbs off the Malaysian table, we may now even have a seat that will allow for our fans voices to be properly considered.

Ive been saying this all week and have been called all names under sun and told I'd rather see Cardiff play in dregs than see them play top teams in red!!!!


So many change their tune now though.

CCFC Hypocrites!!

As is anyone's right.

People change their mind. Sometimes there is a need to.

Sometimes, it's not about the success (only potentially, mind, not nailed on) or about the money, it's about the identity.

I can't be bought.

Ive been saying this all week and have been called all names under sun and told I'd rather see Cardiff play in dregs than see them play top teams in red!!!!


So many change their tune now though.

CCFC Hypocrites!!

As is anyone's right.

People change their mind. Sometimes there is a need to.

Exactly. Merlin and other were won over by the argument and that show maturity rather than bloody mindedness.

Ive been saying this all week and have been called all names under sun and told I'd rather see Cardiff play in dregs than see them play top teams in red!!!!


So many change their tune now though.

CCFC Hypocrites!!

As is anyone's right.

People change their mind. Sometimes there is a need to.

Sometimes, it's not about the success (only potentially, mind, not nailed on) or about the money, it's about the identity.

I can't be bought.

And what is our idenity? To me it is the name Cardiff City FC and that is not changing.

However, there are clubs who have changed their names to avoid paying creditors e.g. Swansea City FC 2002 Limited.

Aren't they the ones who have lost their idenity?

SBF1 your right everyone is entitled to their opinion, to even change their mind.

However you shouldn't have to be on the receiving end of a public tirade of abuse of which question your loyalty to your club simply because disagree with another persons opinion.

If I had given out some of the shit I have received by some people on here, and then realised they were possibly right and of such I had changed my opinion on the matter then at least I would have the fortitude and humility to say "Sorry mate".

This week has shown this forums biggest faults from the mob mentality to the fickle and true plastic nature of some of its users.

We seem to have some high profile fans who have been given a platform,and will force this change through,not sure about this at all.My opinion,we stay blue

Sometimes, it's not about the success (only potentially, mind, not nailed on) or about the money, it's about the identity.

I can't be bought.

Pompous self-indulgent clap-trap. Deprived of the oxygen of success, some fans have developed psychosis and forgotten why the club exists at all.

Cardiff City Football Club is not a support group for the emotionally stunted. It is not a fashion boutique nor is it a museum. Yes the club should remember it's history, but not be held hostage to it.

Cardiff City Football Club came into existence with one overriding objective: to be the very best football team. It is a club attended by those who want to win at playing football. The key word here is win.

Sport is war played-out without weapons. The Olympic Games started as a means to find the most athletic men who could serve as warriors in the Ancient Greek armies. The wars they fought were violent and bloody and unforgiving. You ever seen 300?

On the battlefield, faced with a rampaging, wild-eyed savages hell bent on taking your head off with a sword, what kind of a man would be more concerned by the fact he wasn't wearing his preferred choice of colour?

No self-respecting athlete would ever see the colour of their kit as a higher priority than winning. It's the name that goes on the trophy that matters, not the colour worn.

Question: Who won this year's FA Cup? That's right, Chelsea. That was your instant reaction right? Chelsea? You didn't react by saying "the blue team", did you? Of course not! You're a man; fashion doesn't concern you. War does.

If I ask you who won the 1966 World Cup, doubtless you'll say England, right? Your first reply wouldn't be "the red team" would it? Of course not!

It was actually Germany who were wearing their traditional white that day. Do you think that if, before that game kicked off, both teams were told that the team in red would win, they wouldn't want to wear red? Of course they would! They would have fought tooth and nail over it!

Do you honestly think those men wouldn't change their shirt colour to become World Champions? Of course they would! Who cares about a damn shirt?

Sport is competition. Sport is about the pursuit of excellence - winning trophies and medals and knowing that history will remember you as the very best, above all others. If ever anything else replaces that as a higher priority, the athlete, the team, the club ceases to be a competitor and become something else - something banal, impotent, insipid.

Ask any England supporter if they're bothered that England were wearing red that day, forty six years ago? Of course they're not!

Ask any athlete in any sport and they will tell you: it's not the colour the matters - it's the winning.

Anyone who thinks that a colour is more important than winning is wasting their time at Cardiff City. They should find some other interest and leave the club to those who understyand what sport is.

And to all you racists out there I got something to tell you:

I have seen the promised land. I have a dream that Cardiff City will one day play in a stadium where they will not be judged by the color of their shirts but by the content of their character.

(with acknowledgements to Dr Martin Luther King)

Ask yourself this question:

How many England supporters called Bobby Moore a sellout, a plastic, or a traitor for lifting the 1966 Jules Rimet Trophy at Wembley Stadium in front of Her Majesty the Queen wearing a red shirt?

Not one, is the answer.

Can the blue-obsessed millstones explain this one:

Question : Why do soldiers in the British Army wear camouflage?

Answer: To gain the advantage on the battlefield.

Throughout the Napoleonic Wars British soldiers all wore highly conspicuous uniforms (Ever see Sean Bean in Sharpe?)

Eventually the idiot generals realised this made our lads conspicuous to the enemy. To stem high number of casualties the army the adopted different colours to suit the fight. In the forests of northern Europe they wore dark green. In the deserts of North Africa they wore khakki and in the frozen wastelands of Scandinavia they wore white.

Our battleships were painted grey, our subs were painted black, our planes were painted sky-blue underneath and various greens and browns on top.

In other words, the military learned that to win a war you have to wear the right colour for the fight, not the colour you like. If you want to doll up in traditional uniform, that's fine but you do so far from the battlefield.

VT & TG suggested the club's changes its colours for the best of reasons: to help the club win the financial war it is waging. Objecting to this only makes the job of our generals more difficult.

Can the blue-obsessed millstones explain this one:

Question : Why do soldiers in the British Army wear camouflage?

Answer: To gain the advantage on the battlefield.

Throughout the Napoleonic Wars British soldiers all wore highly conspicuous uniforms (Ever see Sean Bean in Sharpe?)

Eventually the idiot generals realised this made our lads conspicuous to the enemy. To stem high number of casualties the army the adopted different colours to suit the fight. In the forests of northern Europe they wore dark green. In the deserts of North Africa they wore khakki and in the frozen wastelands of Scandinavia they wore white.

Our battleships were painted grey, our subs were painted black, our planes were painted sky-blue underneath and various greens and browns on top.

In other words, the military learned that to win a war you have to wear the right colour for the fight, not the colour you like. If you want to doll up in traditional uniform, that's fine but you do so far from the battlefield.

VT & TG suggested the club's changes its colours for the best of reasons: to help the club win the financial war it is waging. Objecting to this only makes the job of our generals more difficult.

I do feel the tide has turned now and the views of the more rational and majority of supporters is coming through. Just hope it is not too late to convince TG and VT that our club is the right place for them to be investing.
Opportunities like this dont come around twice.

England wore red as a change colour in the world cup final as there was a colour clash.I dont think any one would have batted an eyelid if our away shirt was to be red.

For me it was never so much the colour change but the disappearance of the of the bluebird in favour of a dragon. The other issue for me was the complete lack of consultation with the fans coupled with the threat that we must accept these changes or face the loss of investment. I am glad that we stood up to these proposals and instead of waiting to be thrown a few crumbs off the Malaysian table, we may now even have a seat that will allow for our fans voices to be properly considered.

:ayatollah:

For me it was never so much the colour change but the disappearance of the of the bluebird in favour of a dragon. The other issue for me was the complete lack of consultation with the fans coupled with the threat that we must accept these changes or face the loss of investment. I am glad that we stood up to these proposals and instead of waiting to be thrown a few crumbs off the Malaysian table, we may now even have a seat that will allow for our fans voices to be properly considered.

If you think that one person can represent the views of all fans, think again. I for one can make my own mind up on matters and don't need some ego-driven trade-unionist type to represent me.

The polling facility provided on this forum already offers a good means to exercise democracy directly - without the need to consolidate power into the hands of a single representative.

To prevent abuse, votes would only be recognised by members logging in to the forum with identities officially registered in person at the club. That way votes wouldn't be skewed by individuals using multiple identities.

If the board could talk to the fans through Youtube a few times a week that would be very useful too.

:ayatollah:

For me it was never so much the colour change but the disappearance of the of the bluebird in favour of a dragon. The other issue for me was the complete lack of consultation with the fans coupled with the threat that we must accept these changes or face the loss of investment. I am glad that we stood up to these proposals and instead of waiting to be thrown a few crumbs off the Malaysian table, we may now even have a seat that will allow for our fans voices to be properly considered.

If you think that one person can represent the views of all fans, think again. I for one can make my own mind up on matters and don't need some ego-driven trade-unionist type to represent me.

The polling facility provided on this forum already offers a good means to exercise democracy directly - without the need to consolidate power into the hands of a single representative.

To prevent abuse, votes would only be recognised by members logging in to the forum with identities officially registered in person at the club. That way votes wouldn't be skewed by individuals using multiple identities.

If the board could talk to the fans through Youtube a few times a week that would be very useful too.

Notice you have just joined the forum, so i'll let you in on a little secret - "Neath is blue, get used to it"

Notice you have just joined the forum, so i'll let you in on a little secret - "Neath is blue, get used to it"

Notice you've been on the forum a few years, so it's time you appreciated some common knowledge - this forum is about Cardiff City FC not Neath, try comprehending that.

To prevent abuse, votes would only be recognised by members logging in to the forum with identities officially registered in person at the club. That way votes wouldn't be skewed by individuals using multiple identities.

Maybe we should unite and all use the official MB on the Club Website....Could be time to deflate the ego.

So many change their tune now though.

CCFC Hypocrites!!

one of them being merlin

Excuse me?

I was, Am & always will be blue, BUT for the good of our club, and for Cardiff City FC to survive I will accept any changes made - At first my initial reaction (LIKE MANY OTHERS) was that it was utter madness, but once the plans were presented to me in a more relaxed and explained manner, I understood where we were - and where we needed to be.

Every one has the right to opinion and to change it as well.

Don't call me a hypocrite, when i was only one of thousands of fans that quite rightly reacted in the same way.

(oh, and by the way, my initial post at the top of this thread was a copy and paste with the link from the Echo!)

Like you said fella,everyone has a right to an opinion and that is mine.