Thu May 10, 2012 12:41 pm
Thu May 10, 2012 12:42 pm
Thu May 10, 2012 12:50 pm
Thu May 10, 2012 12:55 pm
Thu May 10, 2012 12:56 pm
Jordy wrote:Christ, please stop it.
You've every right to support the Malaysians and their plans.
I won't agree with you, because I think selling the soul of a club is a deadly sin.
But I stand for your right to disagree with me and to stand in favour of changing the club's colours and crest.
But please, do so on the basis of the right arguments.
These stories that the club will disappear or that there's no future after Tan, are just bollocks.
Let me just bring forward an example from my country, the Netherlands.
Feyenoord Rotterdam was once a super power in European and Dutch football, but because of financial problems the club has had some serious troubles.
Last season was an absolute disaster.
The once big and proud Feyenoord was losing game after game against small clubs and ended up somewhere mid-table.
At the start of this season, they accepted the fact that there wasn't any money left and got on with it.
So they stopped importing good players from foreign countries and started focussing more and more on the players of their own youth teams.
Now they've ended up second this season in the Dutch highest league, De Eredivisie, and are once again going into Europe.
They've shown that a club with loyal fans can survive, even when there's hardly any money at all. So if Tan leaves, there will surely be another sponsor, maybe not one that brings as much money, but the club will survive. Than there's still a Cardiff with history, tradition and a soul.
I'm not in favour of Tan and his ludicrous plans, but you may be.
If you're supporting his idea's, please do so with reasonable arguments and not with scare tactics, that'll only show that you're losing the argument.
Cheers,
Jordy
Thu May 10, 2012 1:01 pm
CraigCCFC wrote:we are insolvent without an investor
different to ur situation
Thu May 10, 2012 1:47 pm
Jordy wrote:Christ, please stop it.
You've every right to support the Malaysians and their plans.
I won't agree with you, because I think selling the soul of a club is a deadly sin.
But I stand for your right to disagree with me and to stand in favour of changing the club's colours and crest.
But please, do so on the basis of the right arguments.
These stories that the club will disappear or that there's no future after Tan, are just bollocks.
Let me just bring forward an example from my country, the Netherlands.
Feyenoord Rotterdam was once a super power in European and Dutch football, but because of financial problems the club has had some serious troubles.
Last season was an absolute disaster.
The once big and proud Feyenoord was losing game after game against small clubs and ended up somewhere mid-table.
At the start of this season, they accepted the fact that there wasn't any money left and got on with it.
So they stopped importing good players from foreign countries and started focussing more and more on the players of their own youth teams.
Now they've ended up second this season in the Dutch highest league, De Eredivisie, and are once again going into Europe.
They've shown that a club with loyal fans can survive, even when there's hardly any money at all. So if Tan leaves, there will surely be another sponsor, maybe not one that brings as much money, but the club will survive. Than there's still a Cardiff with history, tradition and a soul.
I'm not in favour of Tan and his ludicrous plans, but you may be.
If you're supporting his idea's, please do so with reasonable arguments and not with scare tactics, that'll only show that you're losing the argument.
Cheers,
Jordy
Thu May 10, 2012 1:48 pm
Thu May 10, 2012 1:48 pm
Jordy wrote:Christ, please stop it.
You've every right to support the Malaysians and their plans.
I won't agree with you, because I think selling the soul of a club is a deadly sin.
But I stand for your right to disagree with me and to stand in favour of changing the club's colours and crest.
But please, do so on the basis of the right arguments.
These stories that the club will disappear or that there's no future after Tan, are just bollocks.
Let me just bring forward an example from my country, the Netherlands.
Feyenoord Rotterdam was once a super power in European and Dutch football, but because of financial problems the club has had some serious troubles.
Last season was an absolute disaster.
The once big and proud Feyenoord was losing game after game against small clubs and ended up somewhere mid-table.
At the start of this season, they accepted the fact that there wasn't any money left and got on with it.
So they stopped importing good players from foreign countries and started focussing more and more on the players of their own youth teams.
Now they've ended up second this season in the Dutch highest league, De Eredivisie, and are once again going into Europe.
They've shown that a club with loyal fans can survive, even when there's hardly any money at all. So if Tan leaves, there will surely be another sponsor, maybe not one that brings as much money, but the club will survive. Than there's still a Cardiff with history, tradition and a soul.
I'm not in favour of Tan and his ludicrous plans, but you may be.
If you're supporting his idea's, please do so with reasonable arguments and not with scare tactics, that'll only show that you're losing the argument.
Cheers,
Jordy
Thu May 10, 2012 1:52 pm
cityone wrote:You obviously don,t have much idea about high finance do you??
Thu May 10, 2012 1:55 pm
Thu May 10, 2012 1:58 pm
pembroke allan wrote: jordy trouble is we dont have money and we loseing 12ml a year how do we survive that? would you invest???
Thu May 10, 2012 2:11 pm
Jordy wrote:pembroke allan wrote: jordy trouble is we dont have money and we loseing 12ml a year how do we survive that? would you invest???
If the club loses 12 million a year, that obiviously means that there is way too much money going out.
Why don't I hear people talk about the fact that a club like Cardiff is perhaps living above its means.
If the club were to cut back on certain big costs and forgot the idea of promotion for a couple of seasons, I reckon the club could eventually become financially healthy.
I justed wanted to add: It's nice to see someone trying to set up a reasonable argument.
Although I might not agree with you, I'm very happy with the way you want to make your point, Allan.
Thu May 10, 2012 2:16 pm
Thu May 10, 2012 2:31 pm
Jordy wrote:pembroke allan wrote: jordy trouble is we dont have money and we loseing 12ml a year how do we survive that? would you invest???
If the club loses 12 million a year, that obiviously means that there is way too much money going out.
Why don't I hear people talk about the fact that a club like Cardiff is perhaps living above its means.
If the club were to cut back on certain big costs and forgot the idea of promotion for a couple of seasons, I reckon the club could eventually become financially healthy.
I justed wanted to add: It's nice to see someone trying to set up a reasonable argument.
Although I might not agree with you, I'm very happy with the way you want to make your point, Allan.
Thu May 10, 2012 3:32 pm
Jordy wrote:Christ, please stop it.
You've every right to support the Malaysians and their plans.
I won't agree with you, because I think selling the soul of a club is a deadly sin.
But I stand for your right to disagree with me and to stand in favour of changing the club's colours and crest.
But please, do so on the basis of the right arguments.
These stories that the club will disappear or that there's no future after Tan, are just bollocks.
Let me just bring forward an example from my country, the Netherlands.
Feyenoord Rotterdam was once a super power in European and Dutch football, but because of financial problems the club has had some serious troubles.
Last season was an absolute disaster.
The once big and proud Feyenoord was losing game after game against small clubs and ended up somewhere mid-table.
At the start of this season, they accepted the fact that there wasn't any money left and got on with it.
So they stopped importing good players from foreign countries and started focussing more and more on the players of their own youth teams.
Now they've ended up second this season in the Dutch highest league, De Eredivisie, and are once again going into Europe.
They've shown that a club with loyal fans can survive, even when there's hardly any money at all. So if Tan leaves, there will surely be another sponsor, maybe not one that brings as much money, but the club will survive. Than there's still a Cardiff with history, tradition and a soul.
I'm not in favour of Tan and his ludicrous plans, but you may be.
If you're supporting his idea's, please do so with reasonable arguments and not with scare tactics, that'll only show that you're losing the argument.
Cheers,
Jordy
Thu May 10, 2012 4:01 pm
Thu May 10, 2012 4:20 pm
Jordy wrote:Christ, please stop it.
You've every right to support the Malaysians and their plans.
I won't agree with you, because I think selling the soul of a club is a deadly sin.
But I stand for your right to disagree with me and to stand in favour of changing the club's colours and crest.
But please, do so on the basis of the right arguments.
These stories that the club will disappear or that there's no future after Tan, are just bollocks.
Let me just bring forward an example from my country, the Netherlands.
Feyenoord Rotterdam was once a super power in European and Dutch football, but because of financial problems the club has had some serious troubles.
Last season was an absolute disaster.
The once big and proud Feyenoord was losing game after game against small clubs and ended up somewhere mid-table.
At the start of this season, they accepted the fact that there wasn't any money left and got on with it.
So they stopped importing good players from foreign countries and started focussing more and more on the players of their own youth teams.
Now they've ended up second this season in the Dutch highest league, De Eredivisie, and are once again going into Europe.
They've shown that a club with loyal fans can survive, even when there's hardly any money at all. So if Tan leaves, there will surely be another sponsor, maybe not one that brings as much money, but the club will survive. Than there's still a Cardiff with history, tradition and a soul.
I'm not in favour of Tan and his ludicrous plans, but you may be.
If you're supporting his idea's, please do so with reasonable arguments and not with scare tactics, that'll only show that you're losing the argument.
Cheers,
Jordy
Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:12 pm
Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:25 pm
Leighton James Dont Like uS wrote:They are full of shttttt on the 12million a year losses, THAT FIGURE HAS ONLY SURFACED SINCE THE MALAYSIANS CAME IN!!!!!!!!
Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:27 pm
Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:30 pm
Jordy wrote:Christ, please stop it.
You've every right to support the Malaysians and their plans.
I won't agree with you, because I think selling the soul of a club is a deadly sin.
But I stand for your right to disagree with me and to stand in favour of changing the club's colours and crest.
But please, do so on the basis of the right arguments.
These stories that the club will disappear or that there's no future after Tan, are just bollocks.
Let me just bring forward an example from my country, the Netherlands.
Feyenoord Rotterdam was once a super power in European and Dutch football, but because of financial problems the club has had some serious troubles.
Last season was an absolute disaster.
The once big and proud Feyenoord was losing game after game against small clubs and ended up somewhere mid-table.
At the start of this season, they accepted the fact that there wasn't any money left and got on with it.
So they stopped importing good players from foreign countries and started focussing more and more on the players of their own youth teams.
Now they've ended up second this season in the Dutch highest league, De Eredivisie, and are once again going into Europe.
They've shown that a club with loyal fans can survive, even when there's hardly any money at all. So if Tan leaves, there will surely be another sponsor, maybe not one that brings as much money, but the club will survive. Than there's still a Cardiff with history, tradition and a soul.
I'm not in favour of Tan and his ludicrous plans, but you may be.
If you're supporting his idea's, please do so with reasonable arguments and not with scare tactics, that'll only show that you're losing the argument.
Cheers,
Jordy
Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:32 pm
Leighton James Dont Like uS wrote:They are full of shttttt on the 12million a year losses, THAT FIGURE HAS ONLY SURFACED SINCE THE MALAYSIANS CAME IN!!!!!!!!
Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:47 pm
Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:54 pm
tangledupinblue wrote:Paying Kenny Miller 100k a month (to score goals - remember them Ken?) and so on is living above our means, as was the 'BIG' players of last season and before that. I would put the whole squad up for sale that earns over 5k a week, set that as the wage cap, get some free transfers in and set the challenge of staying in the Championship, say goodbye to the Malaysians and good luck in hopefully finding us an investor. Get the administrators in to sort out the debt and go again, like teams that have been there (Leeds etc) Cardiff won't die , neither will Pompey or Rangers, fed up of the Red or Dead fear mongering and now they have won. I would choose Bluebirds in blue in Division 2, over Cardiff Malaysia Franchise Red Dragons or whatever playing in the Prem, any day. But I don't have that choice, I will roll with the changes as I am City til' I die, I won't be cancelling my season ticket, but I am devastated and ashamed of my clubs decision men, embarrassed and ignored at not being consulted. I have NEVER heard of this SELL OUT situation in the history of football, why does my club have to be the first?
Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:56 pm
pembroke allan wrote:tangledupinblue wrote:Paying Kenny Miller 100k a month (to score goals - remember them Ken?) and so on is living above our means, as was the 'BIG' players of last season and before that. I would put the whole squad up for sale that earns over 5k a week, set that as the wage cap, get some free transfers in and set the challenge of staying in the Championship, say goodbye to the Malaysians and good luck in hopefully finding us an investor. Get the administrators in to sort out the debt and go again, like teams that have been there (Leeds etc) Cardiff won't die , neither will Pompey or Rangers, fed up of the Red or Dead fear mongering and now they have won. I would choose Bluebirds in blue in Division 2, over Cardiff Malaysia Franchise Red Dragons or whatever playing in the Prem, any day. But I don't have that choice, I will roll with the changes as I am City til' I die, I won't be cancelling my season ticket, but I am devastated and ashamed of my clubs decision men, embarrassed and ignored at not being consulted. I have NEVER heard of this SELL OUT situation in the history of football, why does my club have to be the first?
pompey still not saved or rangers and we are in same position as them! without vt! you forget we dont have assets anymore so where will administrators get money to pay creditors? cardiff wouldnt die but ccfc as a name would! would you take risk of liquidation? if didnt go with change??
Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:56 pm
tangledupinblue wrote:Paying Kenny Miller 100k a month (to score goals - remember them Ken?) and so on is living above our means, as was the 'BIG' players of last season and before that. I would put the whole squad up for sale that earns over 5k a week, set that as the wage cap, get some free transfers in and set the challenge of staying in the Championship, say goodbye to the Malaysians and good luck in hopefully finding us an investor. Get the administrators in to sort out the debt and go again, like teams that have been there (Leeds etc) Cardiff won't die , neither will Pompey or Rangers, fed up of the Red or Dead fear mongering and now they have won. I would choose Bluebirds in blue in Division 2, over Cardiff Malaysia Franchise Red Dragons or whatever playing in the Prem, any day. But I don't have that choice, I will roll with the changes as I am City til' I die, I won't be cancelling my season ticket, but I am devastated and ashamed of my clubs decision men, embarrassed and ignored at not being consulted. I have NEVER heard of this SELL OUT situation in the history of football, why does my club have to be the first?
Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:02 pm
pembroke allan wrote: cardiff wouldnt die but ccfc as a name would! would you take risk of liquidation? if didnt go with change??
Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:03 pm
Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:07 pm
Tony Blue Williams wrote:tangledupinblue wrote:Paying Kenny Miller 100k a month (to score goals - remember them Ken?) and so on is living above our means, as was the 'BIG' players of last season and before that. I would put the whole squad up for sale that earns over 5k a week, set that as the wage cap, get some free transfers in and set the challenge of staying in the Championship, say goodbye to the Malaysians and good luck in hopefully finding us an investor. Get the administrators in to sort out the debt and go again, like teams that have been there (Leeds etc) Cardiff won't die , neither will Pompey or Rangers, fed up of the Red or Dead fear mongering and now they have won. I would choose Bluebirds in blue in Division 2, over Cardiff Malaysia Franchise Red Dragons or whatever playing in the Prem, any day. But I don't have that choice, I will roll with the changes as I am City til' I die, I won't be cancelling my season ticket, but I am devastated and ashamed of my clubs decision men, embarrassed and ignored at not being consulted. I have NEVER heard of this SELL OUT situation in the history of football, why does my club have to be the first?
You one of the better pro-Blue posters Tangled and at least you have offered a Plan B which is always missing from those who tell us everything will be alright without VT's money.
There are big flaws in the plan but IMO it would be easier to go straight into Admin as no-one is going to buy some of our big earners (no goals Miller being one)
Providing we get out of Admin (& that is not as certain as you think) I am sure you would get your wish of playing League 2 football for a number of years to come.