*Change to Red or Go into Administration?*

I’ve been a spectator on this forum since this news came out and I was (and in some respects, still am) sat on the fence as to whether this good be good for us, or whether it’s the worst thing in the entire world.

I wanted to wait until more facts emerged, but I also read the opinions of others just to see how they felt too.

The two biggest things I’ve noticed people saying so far is either:

‘I don’t like it, but if it means a lot of investment, money for players, premiership football, big fan base, state of the art training facilities, or whatever they might be promising us, I’ll take it for the future of the club’

OR:

‘The Malaysian’s can f**k off, I would rather play in blue in the Conference that turn red and play in the Premiership and I don’t trust them that we’ll ever see this investment’

But what most people agree on is that if the Malaysian’s to decide to sack it off and leave the club, we’re in the shit. Also, no post I have read has said ‘I’d like to be red’, (unless it’s a Jack in disguise) but more of a compromise if that’s the way it’s got to be.

I must stress that this is not propaganda, but I am starting to lean towards the option of investment for the future of the club. I’m not happy about changing from blue to red, but if this is the way it has to be, this is the way it has to be. The reason why I am thinking this way, is simply because if the people (who would rather play in blue, in the conference etc) are correct and the Malaysian’s f**k us over, by not investing the money promised, we end up going into administration, relegated to the conference for example, I can see no reason why we couldn’t turn blue again.

In short, you can get behind the idea of change. It doesn’t necessarily mean you have to embrace it, but rather not oppose it and if it all goes tits up in the next few years, those that would have preferred to pay in blue in the conference might get their wish and can say ‘I told you so’....

I would like to add that regardless of whether you agree with it or not, I don’t believe anyone has a right to question whether someone is any more a supporter simply because their opinion is different to you own. If people believe this is the worst thing ever and they are going to tear their season ticket up, fair enough, they are entitled to do that. If someone else decides that if future success means turning red, then they are also entitled to that opinion.

There’s no point turning on each other, insulting each other, or even bullying each other into submission.

I have always respected NuclearBlue’s posts, but this one actually disappointed me:

“This is the day you stopped supporting Cardiff City football club and went and supported a new club based in Cardiff. But please don't call yourself a Cardiff fan because you are not anymore.”

It isn’t a personal attack on you Nukes, I still respect you and your posts, but this is the one that has just stuck in my mind, for all the wrong reasons. No one has the right to tell anyone whether they are a supporter or not.

Lastly, in case any one has misread this, I am not happy about the change of the badge, I am not happy about the change from blue to red, but if it meant we could move forward and secure our future then I am happy to consider the change. The stadium isn’t moving, the name isn’t being changed, the rule state this cannot happen. However, if this doesn’t work and it all goes tits up, we’ll be safe knowing that we can turn back to blue and play in the conference or even Welsh League, but at least we’ll be back in blue.

I just think it’s worth a shot....that’s all.

Thanks for taking the time to read my post, whether you agree with it or not, you are entitled to your own opinion.

BLUEBIRDS

Administration.

In the meeting the name Cardiff City was not guaranteed after next year and neither was the blue away colour. When will people realise this will no longer be our club??

If he changes our name to Malaysian Dragons, our colours to red, our stadium name to Malasian Dragon Bowl.... will peoplestill be able to say they support Cardiff City with a straight face?

In the meeting the name Cardiff City was not guaranteed after next year and neither was the blue away colour. When will people realise this will no longer be our club??

If he changes our name to Malaysian Dragons, our colours to red, our stadium name to Malasian Dragon Bowl.... will peoplestill be able to say they support Cardiff City with a straight face?

Administration. for me fuk it at least if we go dwn the legue`s we will have a derby with newport

Administration.

In the meeting the name Cardiff City was not guaranteed after next year and neither was the blue away colour. When will people realise this will no longer be our club??

If he changes our name to Malaysian Dragons, our colours to red, our stadium name to Malasian Dragon Bowl.... will peoplestill be able to say they support Cardiff City with a straight face?

I would personally give them the benefit of the doubt, but it's onlly fair for you to have your own view.

As long as the club is called Cardiff City FC, then they are my team whatever colour they play in. If they decide to f**k us over, change the name of the team to Malaysian Dragons, the stadium to Malaysian Dragon Bowl, then NO I could'nt say with a straight face that they are my team.

However, only when (or rather if) this happens will I stop supporting Cardiff City.

Wrong, Steve Borley has stated that a name change has not ever been considered and also most of you on here say lets go into administration, we will not go into administration if the Malaysians walk away we will be liquidated, then you will not have to worry about playing in the conference or southern league because we will not have a club

Administration.

In the meeting the name Cardiff City was not guaranteed after next year and neither was the blue away colour. When will people realise this will no longer be our club??

If he changes our name to Malaysian Dragons, our colours to red, our stadium name to Malasian Dragon Bowl.... will peoplestill be able to say they support Cardiff City with a straight face?

League rules mean you cannot change the name. Stop fueling the fire by spreading shit

Canton, I agree mate. Like you I have sat and read and perhaps I have a slightly different perspective because i live in Asia.

I also hate the bitching about fellow h=fans, some of the comments about Steve Borley are appalling just because he can see the business acumen in what VT wants to do

If there really is GBP100m then I think we have to take it, we need a massive financial boost or we are dead in the water; we cant compete against the Premier parachute payments year in year out as this season showed (again)

Whether we like it or not Premier clubs don't survive on UK revenue alone, they need TV money plus more and more overseas money from Asia and the Middle East (and dodgy Russians)

I have less of an issue with the shirt colour (we play 1/2 the season in white anyway) the badge should be kept and maybe the dragon goes on the sleeve

Would I prefer City in red in the Premier or in blue in the Blue Square? to me there is only one answer if we want the club to survive.

Look at any business and they change corporate colours, logo's etc its called rebranding and unfortunately football is now a commodity at the top end as many clubs know

So for me after 40 years of supporting the City I accept the changes because it gives us a future we aren't going to have otherwise and I prefer City in a red shirt to potentially no club at all

Wrong, Steve Borley has stated that a name change has not ever been considered and also most of you on here say lets go into administration, we will not go into administration if the Malaysians walk away we will be liquidated, then you will not have to worry about playing in the conference or southern league because we will not have a club

if you are correct, then surely there is only one option available to us?

I'd rather have one team to support than none at all.

Canton, I agree mate.

That was my post, not Canton's.....how could you ever imagine a neutral or even slightly positive email from CantonMagic...he's all doom and gloom...

Wrong, Steve Borley has stated that a name change has not ever been considered and also most of you on here say lets go into administration, we will not go into administration if the Malaysians walk away we will be liquidated, then you will not have to worry about playing in the conference or southern league because we will not have a club

This is really important and absolutely right. Administration is simply a pipe dream because the club is insolvent and the creditors owed so much that they will never accept a "10p in the £" type settlement.

People really have to wake up and smell the shit ! If you are serious about turning down the provisos that come with a £100m investment then prepare for Riverside FC in the League of Wales. In the longer term how likely do you think it is that the English FA would let us back into the pyramid system ? In my view once we're out we'll never get back in.

Just for the record: I don't fancy changing to red either but given the choice I'd rather play in red in the Championship/Premier than in Blue in the League of Wales under a different name and at a different stadium.

I know how badly this is hurting people and I felt the same when I heard but I support Cardiff City (have done since 1971) and whether they wear Blue, Red or Pink I will stick with them.

The vile lie that football clubs are liquidated( and removed from existence) for the pretend ( ie grossly exaggerated))debts of their owners needs to be snuffed out once and for all.

With Tan there will be NO Cardiff City. Its one step followed by the next. We won't be the Bluebirds. "Cardiff" will be "inhibiting the brand". We'll go like Wimbledon or an American franchise. Maybe in Britain, Europe, or ultimately somewhere in the paddyfields of Asia. Next steps - removal of the Cardiff name. And after that? Well we'll be the "national club" of Wales and "Severnside " ofcourse ie merger with the Jack losers. A feeder club for the nonsense that will be the European (not very) Super League.

Rugby Union, meets Rugby League, meets the utter shite that is American "sports brand franchises".
Worst part is, it was OUR money and OUR support created all 92 league clubs. Now liars, cheats and scum are killing them.

League rules mean you cannot change the name. Stop fueling the fire by spreading shit

Thats true, the MK Dons must be a figment of my imagination.

Wrong, Steve Borley has stated that a name change has not ever been considered and also most of you on here say lets go into administration, we will not go into administration if the Malaysians walk away we will be liquidated, then you will not have to worry about playing in the conference or southern league because we will not have a club

This is really important and absolutely right. Administration is simply a pipe dream because the club is insolvent and the creditors owed so much that they will never accept a "10p in the £" type settlement.

People really have to wake up and smell the shit ! If you are serious about turning down the provisos that come with a £100m investment then prepare for Riverside FC in the League of Wales. In the longer term how likely do you think it is that the English FA would let us back into the pyramid system ? In my view once we're out we'll never get back in.

Just for the record: I don't fancy changing to red either but given the choice I'd rather play in red in the Championship/Premier than in Blue in the League of Wales under a different name and at a different stadium.

I know how badly this is hurting people and I felt the same when I heard but I support Cardiff City (have done since 1971) and whether they wear Blue, Red or Pink I will stick with them.

You think they would prefer to choose a 0p in the £ as see us liquidated? No chance.

LIES, is it not a fact that the league will not allow any club to change their name, after the MK dons fiasco, they changed the rules, so stop being a drama queen and get your facts straight

Wrong, Steve Borley has stated that a name change has not ever been considered and also most of you on here say lets go into administration, we will not go into administration if the Malaysians walk away we will be liquidated, then you will not have to worry about playing in the conference or southern league because we will not have a club

This is really important and absolutely right. Administration is simply a pipe dream because the club is insolvent and the creditors owed so much that they will never accept a "10p in the £" type settlement.

People really have to wake up and smell the shit ! If you are serious about turning down the provisos that come with a £100m investment then prepare for Riverside FC in the League of Wales. In the longer term how likely do you think it is that the English FA would let us back into the pyramid system ? In my view once we're out we'll never get back in.

Just for the record: I don't fancy changing to red either but given the choice I'd rather play in red in the Championship/Premier than in Blue in the League of Wales under a different name and at a different stadium.

I know how badly this is hurting people and I felt the same when I heard but I support Cardiff City (have done since 1971) and whether they wear Blue, Red or Pink I will stick with them.

If the club is insolvent its because various slippery owners have used accountancy schemes to pile on daft numbers which i) dont reflect what was spent and ii) don't reflect the true worth of the club company.

The pretend debts are simply a device to pull out as much money as possible from the fans tax free.

The idea Cdiff will disappear is a sick lie. The Courts and any independent advisors will simply look for a sensible amt to be repaid over a sensible time. If Tan or any snake says " Cdiff will die if I dont get my money", he needs to shut up and f**k off. Because its another scam against us the fans.

The creditors would be idiots to go for formal admin, but even if they did, the pts penalty wouldnt be much to worry about.

The fans need to say "stop lying to us, stop trying to bully us, and f**k of out you parasitic cunts. we won't pay you any more".

LIES, is it not a fact that the league will not allow any club to change their name, after the MK dons fiasco, they changed the rules, so stop being a drama queen and get your facts straight

link?

Also it not drama, it was confirmed in the meeting with Borely and Annis that the name Cardiff City CANNOT be guaranteed after next season.

Wrong, Steve Borley has stated that a name change has not ever been considered and also most of you on here say lets go into administration, we will not go into administration if the Malaysians walk away we will be liquidated, then you will not have to worry about playing in the conference or southern league because we will not have a club

This is really important and absolutely right. Administration is simply a pipe dream because the club is insolvent and the creditors owed so much that they will never accept a "10p in the £" type settlement.

People really have to wake up and smell the shit ! If you are serious about turning down the provisos that come with a £100m investment then prepare for Riverside FC in the League of Wales. In the longer term how likely do you think it is that the English FA would let us back into the pyramid system ? In my view once we're out we'll never get back in.

Just for the record: I don't fancy changing to red either but given the choice I'd rather play in red in the Championship/Premier than in Blue in the League of Wales under a different name and at a different stadium.

I know how badly this is hurting people and I felt the same when I heard but I support Cardiff City (have done since 1971) and whether they wear Blue, Red or Pink I will stick with them.

You think they would prefer to choose a 0p in the £ as see us liquidated? No chance.

But it wouldn't be 0p in the £. The liquidators would sell the stadium/land, players and any other assests. It wouldn't amount to huge amounts but it would be more than 10p in the £ (possible as much as 40p in the £ if they were lucky). Get some undertsanding of Insolvency law and then come back to me with facts.

As I said previously, I'm not happy about this but you really need to know the real implications before making a decision.

And the administrators are doing a great job at Rangers, if it was that easy to get investors then there would be a lot more going into administration, lets make this clear, we are insolvent, if not for the malaysians we would have already been liquidated, that my friend is a hard cold fact.

And the administrators are doing a great job at Rangers, if it was that easy to get investors then there would be a lot more going into administration, lets make this clear, we are insolvent, if not for the malaysians we would have already been liquidated, that my friend is a hard cold fact.

cant find anything on FA rules not llowing clubs to change their name.... link?

And the administrators are doing a great job at Rangers, if it was that easy to get investors then there would be a lot more going into administration, lets make this clear, we are insolvent, if not for the malaysians we would have already been liquidated, that my friend is a hard cold fact.

cant find anything on FA rules not llowing clubs to change their name.... link?

“The licence applicant is defined as being the legal entity fully responsible for the football team which participants in national and international club competitions and which is a member of the member association.

The licence applicant is, in particular, responsible for ensuring they have the right to use the name and the brands of the club and does not change the name of the club for advertising/promotional purposes;”

I would have thought that changing it to Malaysian Dragons would be considered advertising/promotional purposes if he is changing it to market in Asia...

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affeder ... _47341.pdf

That is not a stong reg, too many loopholes. All they would have to do is say it is not for advertising purposes.

And the administrators are doing a great job at Rangers, if it was that easy to get investors then there would be a lot more going into administration, lets make this clear, we are insolvent, if not for the malaysians we would have already been liquidated, that my friend is a hard cold fact.

cant find anything on FA rules not llowing clubs to change their name.... link?

I'm not able to have a look just now but I assume it would be under FL rules as opposed to FA.

I’ve been a spectator on this forum since this news came out and I was (and in some respects, still am) sat on the fence as to whether this good be good for us, or whether it’s the worst thing in the entire world.

I wanted to wait until more facts emerged, but I also read the opinions of others just to see how they felt too.

The two biggest things I’ve noticed people saying so far is either:

‘I don’t like it, but if it means a lot of investment, money for players, premiership football, big fan base, state of the art training facilities, or whatever they might be promising us, I’ll take it for the future of the club’

OR:

‘The Malaysian’s can f**k off, I would rather play in blue in the Conference that turn red and play in the Premiership and I don’t trust them that we’ll ever see this investment’

But what most people agree on is that if the Malaysian’s to decide to sack it off and leave the club, we’re in the shit. Also, no post I have read has said ‘I’d like to be red’, (unless it’s a Jack in disguise) but more of a compromise if that’s the way it’s got to be.

I must stress that this is not propaganda, but I am starting to lean towards the option of investment for the future of the club. I’m not happy about changing from blue to red, but if this is the way it has to be, this is the way it has to be. The reason why I am thinking this way, is simply because if the people (who would rather play in blue, in the conference etc) are correct and the Malaysian’s f**k us over, by not investing the money promised, we end up going into administration, relegated to the conference for example, I can see no reason why we couldn’t turn blue again.

In short, you can get behind the idea of change. It doesn’t necessarily mean you have to embrace it, but rather not oppose it and if it all goes tits up in the next few years, those that would have preferred to pay in blue in the conference might get their wish and can say ‘I told you so’....

I would like to add that regardless of whether you agree with it or not, I don’t believe anyone has a right to question whether someone is any more a supporter simply because their opinion is different to you own. If people believe this is the worst thing ever and they are going to tear their season ticket up, fair enough, they are entitled to do that. If someone else decides that if future success means turning red, then they are also entitled to that opinion.

There’s no point turning on each other, insulting each other, or even bullying each other into submission.

I have always respected NuclearBlue’s posts, but this one actually disappointed me:

“This is the day you stopped supporting Cardiff City football club and went and supported a new club based in Cardiff. But please don't call yourself a Cardiff fan because you are not anymore.”

It isn’t a personal attack on you Nukes, I still respect you and your posts, but this is the one that has just stuck in my mind, for all the wrong reasons. No one has the right to tell anyone whether they are a supporter or not.

Lastly, in case any one has misread this, I am not happy about the change of the badge, I am not happy about the change from blue to red, but if it meant we could move forward and secure our future then I am happy to consider the change. The stadium isn’t moving, the name isn’t being changed, the rule state this cannot happen. However, if this doesn’t work and it all goes tits up, we’ll be safe knowing that we can turn back to blue and play in the conference or even Welsh League, but at least we’ll be back in blue.

I just think it’s worth a shot....that’s all.

Thanks for taking the time to read my post, whether you agree with it or not, you are entitled to your own opinion.

BLUEBIRDS

Got to agree with you,
I'd rather a team playing in red, than no team at all,I don't think people realise how much we are in debt.
and when you see someone like Steve Borley telling us how serious the situation is, its worrying.

We've all got an opinion,and everyone should respect that.
I just hope it doesn't start in-fighting amongst the fans...