Rebranding - The Alternative Truth - We are to Blame

I've read with interest the various posts about the proposed rebranding. Some have been reactionary, some balanced, some blase about the whole issue.

I think we need to take stock and start to be honest about why we have found ourselves in this position, because in reality, us as fans need to understand how we have played a key part in us ending up in this sorry state and being dictated to by a foreign investor with no interest in Cardiff City (a club that used to be for the people of Cardiff).

For me this whole process started as soon as we allowed ourselves to get hoodwinked by Sam Hamman. Many of the posters on here, say they would be happier to watch Cardiff in league 2 with 4,000 fans, as long is it meant we could retain our identity. These are the same fans, who were so supportive of Sam Hamman chasing the dream of Premiership football without thinking twice about the financial risks and implications of his reckless actions.

If so many of our fans loved the old days languishing in League 2 with just the hardcore supporters, why were they so desperate to chase the dream of Cardiff, The Welsh Barcelona and so accepting of an owner borrowing unsustainable amounts to fund our promotion adventure.

The reality is, that if we had been prepared to accept the fact that we were a community club, with very moderate aspirations, satisfied simply with survival, we would not be in this poition now. Of course, the reality is that none of us were truly happy battling it out every year in the lower divisions and we were happy to believe in Sam's hype, after long periods of mismanagement by previous owners.

Most of us were happy to see us splashing ridiculous transfer fees and ludicrous wages, even though we knew the club was making a loss. Don't worry, some would say, Sam's doing it for the love of the club (the club he wanted to rebrand if you remember), it's all his own money, he does'nt want it back, he's a genuine fan, etc, etc.

If more of us had spotted the warning signs, we would have raised more questions, challenged this road map to financial oblivion and not been left in such a vulnerable position. We also hear the old line that, if it was not for Sam, the club would have folded. Why then do the same fans find it harder to accept that the same applies to the Malaysian investors.

If the club would have disappeared without Sam, as some have suggested, why are the same people so convinced that we would now be able to rise like a phoenix from the flames if the malaysians walked away.

Hard as it to swallow, we need to accept where we now are. We are at the mercy of a foreign investor, who, as should have been clear from the outset, has only one interest, which is to use cardiff City as a malaysian marketing tool to compliment his existing business empire. To pave the way for this, he has deliberately loaned a disproportionate amount of money to the club compared to his percentage shareholding, to ensure the club is deemed financially unviable without his continued involvement. When he made his initial investment this would have been his sole plan, and the reason cardiff was so attractive was simply because we were in financial meltdown with zero options. It was the Malaysians or admin and potential extinction and this fact was ruthlessly and skillfully exploited.

I don't blame the Malaysians, I blame the fans who so desperately wanted success at any cost and who turned a blind eye to the financial realities.

The simple truth is, that if we had not allowed Sam Hamman and then Ridsdale to live beyond their means and chase the unattainable, then the malaysians would never have sniffed an opportunity. So to conclude, which of you complaining now, did not support Sam Hamman (another foreign investor looking to make a profit from our greed for success, who ultimately mislead us).

Sam Hamman created this mess, the malaysians will profit from it and we are to blame for it. We let it happen, because contrary to popularist clap trap spouted by the 'hardcore', 'we were there in the rain at Scunthorpe and Rochdale' , 'we would be happier in league 2 with a Bluebird badge than a dragon' brigade, in reality if they were happy in League 2, they would not have followed Sam like sheep.

So we may have folded without Sam, but if you listen to yourselves, you would have still been happier chanting, 'Bluebirds' in the conference', than playing in the Prem chanting 'Dragons'. How many of us now wish Sam had left us to our own fate?

Sometimes we need to look at ourselves, rather than finding others to blame.

That is exactly how I feel. If instead of allowing Sam to comebon board we'd have accepted administration and created a fans trust to take over the club then it would have been fine. As it is we have only ourselves to blame and better we have a club to follow than none at all.

agreed

Sam created a monster and we are paying for the damage it caused.

I just can't stand the hypocrisy of some fans.

utter tripe.

The fact is these so-called "debts" bear no relation to what was actually spent. Its like Liverpool and Man Utd.
The "creditors" are actually the owners and managers of the club/ "brand" as they try and have us call it.

They use OUR money to buy the club. Add in a little bit of Enid Blyton meets Bernie Madoff, make up a big figure. Then take out profits whilst duping many of us into thinking "ahh thats paying back the debts of the last scoundrels". Then the NEXT scoundrels come in and do the same, blaming the last ones and/ or the manager.

Time to wise up people. And that includes paid stooges of VT posting on the forums.

The reality is, ALL round Britain we have utter scum running football clubs, turning them into vile parodies.
f**k Tan, Ridsdale and the rest of them.
I'd rather set fire to £500 than give their kind my money.
Red Dragons - f**k off!

Whats next? Deep down we all KNOW where this is heading...

I've read with interest the various posts about the proposed rebranding. Some have been reactionary, some balanced, some blase about the whole issue.

I think we need to take stock and start to be honest about why we have found ourselves in this position, because in reality, us as fans need to understand how we have played a key part in us ending up in this sorry state and being dictated to by a foreign investor with no interest in Cardiff City (a club that used to be for the people of Cardiff).

For me this whole process started as soon as we allowed ourselves to get hoodwinked by Sam Hamman. Many of the posters on here, say they would be happier to watch Cardiff in league 2 with 4,000 fans, as long is it meant we could retain our identity. These are the same fans, who were so supportive of Sam Hamman chasing the dream of Premiership football without thinking twice about the financial risks and implications of his reckless actions.

If so many of our fans loved the old days languishing in League 2 with just the hardcore supporters, why were they so desperate to chase the dream of Cardiff, The Welsh Barcelona and so accepting of an owner borrowing unsustainable amounts to fund our promotion adventure.

The reality is, that if we had been prepared to accept the fact that we were a community club, with very moderate aspirations, satisfied simply with survival, we would not be in this poition now. Of course, the reality is that none of us were truly happy battling it out every year in the lower divisions and we were happy to believe in Sam's hype, after long periods of mismanagement by previous owners.

Most of us were happy to see us splashing ridiculous transfer fees and ludicrous wages, even though we knew the club was making a loss. Don't worry, some would say, Sam's doing it for the love of the club (the club he wanted to rebrand if you remember), it's all his own money, he does'nt want it back, he's a genuine fan, etc, etc.

If more of us had spotted the warning signs, we would have raised more questions, challenged this road map to financial oblivion and not been left in such a vulnerable position. We also hear the old line that, if it was not for Sam, the club would have folded. Why then do the same fans find it harder to accept that the same applies to the Malaysian investors.

If the club would have disappeared without Sam, as some have suggested, why are the same people so convinced that we would now be able to rise like a phoenix from the flames if the malaysians walked away.

Hard as it to swallow, we need to accept where we now are. We are at the mercy of a foreign investor, who, as should have been clear from the outset, has only one interest, which is to use cardiff City as a malaysian marketing tool to compliment his existing business empire. To pave the way for this, he has deliberately loaned a disproportionate amount of money to the club compared to his percentage shareholding, to ensure the club is deemed financially unviable without his continued involvement. When he made his initial investment this would have been his sole plan, and the reason cardiff was so attractive was simply because we were in financial meltdown with zero options. It was the Malaysians or admin and potential extinction and this fact was ruthlessly and skillfully exploited.

I don't blame the Malaysians, I blame the fans who so desperately wanted success at any cost and who turned a blind eye to the financial realities.

The simple truth is, that if we had not allowed Sam Hamman and then Ridsdale to live beyond their means and chase the unattainable, then the malaysians would never have sniffed an opportunity. So to conclude, which of you complaining now, did not support Sam Hamman (another foreign investor looking to make a profit from our greed for success, who ultimately mislead us).

Sam Hamman created this mess, the malaysians will profit from it and we are to blame for it. We let it happen, because contrary to popularist clap trap spouted by the 'hardcore', 'we were there in the rain at Scunthorpe and Rochdale' , 'we would be happier in league 2 with a Bluebird badge than a dragon' brigade, in reality if they were happy in League 2, they would not have followed Sam like sheep.

So we may have folded without Sam, but if you listen to yourselves, you would have still been happier chanting, 'Bluebirds' in the conference', than playing in the Prem chanting 'Dragons'. How many of us now wish Sam had left us to our own fate?

Sometimes we need to look at ourselves, rather than finding others to blame.

Excellent post. So many hypocrites follow cardiff. I didnt see fuss when sam changed the badge and wanted to rebrand cardiff city

I've read with interest the various posts about the proposed rebranding. Some have been reactionary, some balanced, some blase about the whole issue.

I think we need to take stock and start to be honest about why we have found ourselves in this position, because in reality, us as fans need to understand how we have played a key part in us ending up in this sorry state and being dictated to by a foreign investor with no interest in Cardiff City (a club that used to be for the people of Cardiff).

For me this whole process started as soon as we allowed ourselves to get hoodwinked by Sam Hamman. Many of the posters on here, say they would be happier to watch Cardiff in league 2 with 4,000 fans, as long is it meant we could retain our identity. These are the same fans, who were so supportive of Sam Hamman chasing the dream of Premiership football without thinking twice about the financial risks and implications of his reckless actions.

If so many of our fans loved the old days languishing in League 2 with just the hardcore supporters, why were they so desperate to chase the dream of Cardiff, The Welsh Barcelona and so accepting of an owner borrowing unsustainable amounts to fund our promotion adventure.

The reality is, that if we had been prepared to accept the fact that we were a community club, with very moderate aspirations, satisfied simply with survival, we would not be in this poition now. Of course, the reality is that none of us were truly happy battling it out every year in the lower divisions and we were happy to believe in Sam's hype, after long periods of mismanagement by previous owners.

Most of us were happy to see us splashing ridiculous transfer fees and ludicrous wages, even though we knew the club was making a loss. Don't worry, some would say, Sam's doing it for the love of the club (the club he wanted to rebrand if you remember), it's all his own money, he does'nt want it back, he's a genuine fan, etc, etc.

If more of us had spotted the warning signs, we would have raised more questions, challenged this road map to financial oblivion and not been left in such a vulnerable position. We also hear the old line that, if it was not for Sam, the club would have folded. Why then do the same fans find it harder to accept that the same applies to the Malaysian investors.

If the club would have disappeared without Sam, as some have suggested, why are the same people so convinced that we would now be able to rise like a phoenix from the flames if the malaysians walked away.

Hard as it to swallow, we need to accept where we now are. We are at the mercy of a foreign investor, who, as should have been clear from the outset, has only one interest, which is to use cardiff City as a malaysian marketing tool to compliment his existing business empire. To pave the way for this, he has deliberately loaned a disproportionate amount of money to the club compared to his percentage shareholding, to ensure the club is deemed financially unviable without his continued involvement. When he made his initial investment this would have been his sole plan, and the reason cardiff was so attractive was simply because we were in financial meltdown with zero options. It was the Malaysians or admin and potential extinction and this fact was ruthlessly and skillfully exploited.

I don't blame the Malaysians, I blame the fans who so desperately wanted success at any cost and who turned a blind eye to the financial realities.

The simple truth is, that if we had not allowed Sam Hamman and then Ridsdale to live beyond their means and chase the unattainable, then the malaysians would never have sniffed an opportunity. So to conclude, which of you complaining now, did not support Sam Hamman (another foreign investor looking to make a profit from our greed for success, who ultimately mislead us).

Sam Hamman created this mess, the malaysians will profit from it and we are to blame for it. We let it happen, because contrary to popularist clap trap spouted by the 'hardcore', 'we were there in the rain at Scunthorpe and Rochdale' , 'we would be happier in league 2 with a Bluebird badge than a dragon' brigade, in reality if they were happy in League 2, they would not have followed Sam like sheep.

So we may have folded without Sam, but if you listen to yourselves, you would have still been happier chanting, 'Bluebirds' in the conference', than playing in the Prem chanting 'Dragons'. How many of us now wish Sam had left us to our own fate?

Sometimes we need to look at ourselves, rather than finding others to blame.

Excellent post. So many hypocrites follow cardiff. I didnt see fuss when sam changed the badge and wanted to rebrand cardiff city

^^^^^^ AGREED!

Savethe bluebirds

I'm no VT ass licker, I can assure you. I am one of the mugs I am posting about and am embarrassed about how easy it has been for the likes of sam and VT to make mugs of us all, including me.

You state my post is utter tripe, but you seem to actually be agreeing with most of it.

Sam and VT are indeed both leaches in my eyes and neither have any real interest in our club. They both just want to make money, but Sam also wanted to be popular, whereas VT doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks. If he did, he would probably not have become a billionaire.

The only difference is that at least the Malaysians appear to have a solid business plan and are genuinely shrewd business men(albeit this involves some rather unpallatable changes). I don't agree with what they are doing, but Sam put us into a position of unsustainable debt and the Malaysians exploited our vulnerability, by increasing the debt yet further to put us at their mercy.

The super dragons..

Come on you Dragons...


Red dragon.. Red dragon...

Perhaps we could have red dragon radio back...

RRRRRRR
EEEEEEE
DDDDDD

DDDDDD
RRRRRR
AAAAAA
GGGGG
OOOOO
NNNNN

Super dragons...
Wooky wooky dragon tamers

I usually stick to just reading the posts but I have to voice my support for this one, it's absolutely bang on! Amazes me how many people quickly forget the 'legacy' that Sam left us with. We have been left with crippling debts after adopting a 'win or bust' attitude which was doomed to fail.
I am 100% against the proposals being put forward by VT but the problem hasn't started with the Malaysians. We all got sold a dream when Sam took over and we're now living the nightmare!

Good posts above, yes Sam created the monster and started all the change including kits, badges etc, it was ok then, but not now, when Tan is actually putting money in and taking us forward, Sam just took out loans and gambled badly with his effort....