WE'RE STILL CARDIFF CITY

Some of the posts from the more mature members on this board are borderline infantile.

Lets look at this shall we;

Would you rather ruin everything this club has achieved whilst wearing blue, take a financial hit, possibly administration, drop down the divisions and carry on wearing the same strip?

or;

Would you rather evolve as a club, go to the next step in red and start a new era for this football club, get financial investment, clear some debt and stay in this division or even possibly promoted?

The pro's of changing outweigh the cons.

Whilst many refer to us as the bluebirds and that is and has been our nickname, we are CARDIFF CITY FC. That is the one thing that must always remain. The name of the club is the only important thing when it comes to identity.

Newcastle renamed St James' and are now vying for 4th place.
Chelsea and Liverpool are eyeing up moves from their respective stadiums for financial gain
Arsenal have already done so

United have been fortunate enough to carry on at Old Trafford because they've been ridiculously successful and have also had the capability to expand.

I do not care what we wear
I do not care where we play
I do not care what we are nicknamed

Yes we've had a brilliant era as the bluebirds and it was one of the things, the togetherness, part of being a bluebird that got me interested. The whole atmosphere at Ninian was what sent shivers down my spine and why I kept going because it felt like being part of a family.

However, life evolves, people change and things need to move on. As long as we dont play in the same colours as Swansea, its fine by me. They are our rivals and as long as our sole identity away from them is kept then Im happy enough.

What I will say though is one thing 'if he does not invest in these changes to better the club then I will turn against him'. The owners are wanting to make these changes and there are conditions in my opinion that they should meet. We're giving up a lot and that should cost them.

Is calling ourselves the Red Army really that bad? Is having a dragon on our shirt really that bad? It represents our nation and as the capital city I believe that is a fair thing we should do.

Cosmetics don't matter to me in terms of a football club. What does matter is the running of it, the system, the way the board works, the training facilities, the youth system, the plan for the future, the financial position of the club, the manager in charge, etc etc.

Lets be realistic. If we changed it and we got a large investment in terms of Championship funds and went and got promoted would you forgive them or even accept the decision they made?

Sometimes guys you need to make sacrifices for the greater good. This is one of those times, if they invest and carry through.

Annis, I think its pivotal during this meeting that you dig in deep in terms of their objectives in investing in the squad and the overall club. We've seen false promises before in football. Pompey, Wimbledon, Leeds and Liverpool and all clubs suffered because of it.

The question should not be 'should we rebrand?'

The question should be 'with the sacrifices made by us fans in relation to the rebranding, what do we get out of in terms of investment into the club we love?'

A more mature and realistic approach is needed.

Im saying this because if they carry through and invest and in a few years down the line we somehow end up in a decent premier league spot and the club is moving forward swiftly you will change your mind. Its happened before and will happen again.

Is the rebranding going to be worthwhile is what we should be asking. Are they like the Blackburn owners or are they like the others who stuck to their word.

For me, personally, if we make all these sacrifices for the owners as fans, which are a lot to us, I'd want to see at least £10m ploughed into spending as well as investment into facilities and so forth. If we show faith in them and their plan in rebranding for luck then they should return that level of faith in us, as a unity of fans, as people, and as a club.

It will be sad to see the blue but with all great things in life they come to an end. Thats just the way things go sometimes and rather than be incensed and throw the toys out of the pram at it, the best thing is to take a cautious approach and make sure the change is implemented with all the RIGHT intentions.

As a capital city next to the sea with major links to a capital like London we have the potential to boom with investment and become a major force for years to come. Its getting their first and if making a sacrifice like rebranding is the first steps to that future then unfortunately it is one we have to make.

WE'RE STILL CARDIFF CITY!

GOOD POINTS MATE !

Some decent points, but no. Sorry, just no. We cannot do this.

Good points I see t the same way, to me investment and the futureof the club is more important than the couler of shirts the players wear !!!

Crap points mate, your statement "Cosmetics don't matter to me in terms of a football club "sums up someone who has no appreciation for who we are and our traditions.I could stomach renaming the stadium or even a change to the design of our badge but changing the colour and renaming us is a step to far. If you are prepared to sacrifice the very essence of who we are then go and support Man City with the other plastics.

Some decent points, but no. Sorry, just no. We cannot do this.

Why can't we do this properly with all the right intentions?

Identity is all a mentality, a state of mind, of the beholder. Nothing less, nothing more. If we do change and you mention Cardiff in the future, people will remember the days of us playing in blue, mark my words. Why? because as a club we've come a long way. We've been to Wembley more times than a lot of English clubs, we are the only welsh team to win the FA Cup and we also developed great talents like Aaron Ramsey.

There WILL ALWAYS be links back to this part of our history.

If we do rebrand, I will never forget, I will instead tell those in my family generations below me the story of Cardiff playing in blue, what we were before and how we evolved as a club.

What is essential is the evolution is a real plan and not just a false promise to get their own way.

Those in the interview need solid proof they have the funds available to back the club. I dont mean funds as in bonds or using assets associated with the club, I mean funds from their investments in Malaysia or stored in their bank accounts. Real money needs to be invested and the future of the club should not be compromised by this investment. We'd be sacrificing a hell of a lot, its only right they do the same.

As with all relationships, its 50/50.

Utter bollocks, we are being blackmailed with the promise of success if we ditch our heritage.
No feckin thanks. I'd rather we were in the conference or more realistically taken over by an owner who didn't want to blackmail us, the life blood of our great club.
Your blood was obviously never blue if you'd sell out for so little

Crap points mate, your statement "Cosmetics don't matter to me in terms of a football club "sums up someone who has no appreciation for who we are and our traditions.I could stomach renaming the stadium or even a change to the design of our badge but changing the colour and renaming us is a step to far. If you are prepared to sacrifice the very essence of who we are then go and support Man City with the other plastics.

Nonsense. I do value it just as I value my family members who have passed away but whether you like it or not, things come to an end. Nothing lasts forever. The best thing we can do is show appreciation for the era we had in the blue strip, as the bluebirds and show our appreciation through appropriate means whilst supporting change. Evolution is vital.

There are numerous ways to appreciate something. Why not rename a stand the Old Bluebird End as we have with Ninian Park? Why not even ask the owners for another pub near the stadium called The Bluebird so that the name lives on? There are plenty of ways to do it. Just because something is no longer running or going does not mean you can't appreciate it.

The one thing they should not change is the name. That's our sole identity as a club. Its what shows in the league table, the papers and what everyone around the world knows us by because thats what comes up on television when we score and what shows in the history books when people look up FA cup finalists and so forth. Everything else is a tag WE AS FANS HAVE ASSOCIATED as a club. The move from Ninian I didnt like but I've learnt to accept it. I can understand people going back for the atmosphere but we have moved on from that era and this will be another phase in our transition.

We as a club, us fans and the owners, must not fight or we'll end up in the pit of football like Blackburn Rovers. We must assist one another, compromise and move on.

Crap points mate, your statement "Cosmetics don't matter to me in terms of a football club "sums up someone who has no appreciation for who we are and our traditions.I could stomach renaming the stadium or even a change to the design of our badge but changing the colour and renaming us is a step to far. If you are prepared to sacrifice the very essence of who we are then go and support Man City with the other plastics.

No need for the abuse just because his view differs from yours. Why is he the plastic?

You have corroborated his point a bit. If we go in all guns blazing without having thought it through we will be shown the door. You need to go into any meeting being aware of all sides to the arguement so you have the answers and not just say "it's not happening"

Utter bollocks, we are being blackmailed with the promise of success if we ditch our heritage.
No feckin thanks. I'd rather we were in the conference or more realistically taken over by an owner who didn't want to blackmail us, the life blood of our great club.
Your blood was obviously never blue if you'd sell out for so little

So you'd rather us be in the conference? struggling to get fans? a stadium going to waste, probably have to move? Lack of investment? a negative effect on the city and the people that live within it? I remember playing in League Two (Division 3) then against Hartlepool at Ninian Park. Those days we dreamt to be up in the Championship (div 1) and we fought year on year to get here. Easy to say you'd rather go back but the fact is the club made sacrifices to evolve then and that is why we are here now. We've been at htis level for years and now is the time for the next stage of evolution. Any real fan wouldn't want to go back to the days of a cold tuesday night at the Ninian playing fecking Walsall whilst most of the city were sat at home on their plastic arses supporting LFC, United and Arsenal because we were in such a low division. We'd lose generations of fans going back down. I think you're tinted by your history laden glasses and cant appreciate we can still value tradition and history whilst evolving.

Utter bollocks, we are being blackmailed with the promise of success if we ditch our heritage.
No feckin thanks. I'd rather we were in the conference or more realistically taken over by an owner who didn't want to blackmail us, the life blood of our great club.
Your blood was obviously never blue if you'd sell out for so little

So you'd rather us be in the conference? struggling to get fans? a stadium going to waste, probably have to move? Lack of investment? a negative effect on the city and the people that live within it? I remember playing in League Two (Division 3) then against Hartlepool at Ninian Park. Those days we dreamt to be up in the Championship (div 1) and we fought year on year to get here. Easy to say you'd rather go back but the fact is the club made sacrifices to evolve then and that is why we are here now. We've been at htis level for years and now is the time for the next stage of evolution. Any real fan wouldn't want to go back to the days of a cold tuesday night at the Ninian playing fecking Walsall whilst most of the city were sat at home on their plastic arses supporting LFC, United and Arsenal because we were in such a low division. We'd lose generations of fans going back down. I think you're tinted by your history laden glasses and cant appreciate we can still value tradition and history whilst evolving.

people who say id rather be in the conference are you being serious?? so if this did take us to the perm and challenging a top 10 finish etc, you'd rather be in the conference playing wrexham etc seriously?

Utter bollocks, we are being blackmailed with the promise of success if we ditch our heritage.
No feckin thanks. I'd rather we were in the conference or more realistically taken over by an owner who didn't want to blackmail us, the life blood of our great club.
Your blood was obviously never blue if you'd sell out for so little

So you'd rather us be in the conference? struggling to get fans? a stadium going to waste, probably have to move? Lack of investment? a negative effect on the city and the people that live within it? I remember playing in League Two (Division 3) then against Hartlepool at Ninian Park. Those days we dreamt to be up in the Championship (div 1) and we fought year on year to get here. Easy to say you'd rather go back but the fact is the club made sacrifices to evolve then and that is why we are here now. We've been at htis level for years and now is the time for the next stage of evolution. Any real fan wouldn't want to go back to the days of a cold tuesday night at the Ninian playing fecking Walsall whilst most of the city were sat at home on their plastic arses supporting LFC, United and Arsenal because we were in such a low division. We'd lose generations of fans going back down. I think you're tinted by your history laden glasses and cant appreciate we can still value tradition and history whilst evolving.

YES, and I'm deadly serious.
If premiership football was that important to me, I would've supported a premiership team, but I NEVER have supported anyone but the Bluebirds. Football is more than just success. Just look at the fun our support had yesterday even though we were losing 5-0 on aggregate.
If VT wants a team playing in red based in Cardiff with a dragon as a badge, he can start his own. Hands off our club

Utter bollocks, we are being blackmailed with the promise of success if we ditch our heritage.
No feckin thanks. I'd rather we were in the conference or more realistically taken over by an owner who didn't want to blackmail us, the life blood of our great club.
Your blood was obviously never blue if you'd sell out for so little

So you'd rather us be in the conference? struggling to get fans? a stadium going to waste, probably have to move? Lack of investment? a negative effect on the city and the people that live within it? I remember playing in League Two (Division 3) then against Hartlepool at Ninian Park. Those days we dreamt to be up in the Championship (div 1) and we fought year on year to get here. Easy to say you'd rather go back but the fact is the club made sacrifices to evolve then and that is why we are here now. We've been at htis level for years and now is the time for the next stage of evolution. Any real fan wouldn't want to go back to the days of a cold tuesday night at the Ninian playing fecking Walsall whilst most of the city were sat at home on their plastic arses supporting LFC, United and Arsenal because we were in such a low division. We'd lose generations of fans going back down. I think you're tinted by your history laden glasses and cant appreciate we can still value tradition and history whilst evolving.

people who say id rather be in the conference are you being serious?? so if this did take us to the perm and challenging a top 10 finish etc, you'd rather be in the conference playing wrexham etc seriously?

Yes, because unlike you I'm a bluebird until I die.

YOU TELL ME WHY WE HAVE TO PLAY IN RED. WHY SPEND MONEY ON REBRANDING WHEN YOU CAN SPEND IT ON THE TRANSFER WINDOW OR PAY-OFFS DEBTS!!