Another British soldier dead. Should we pull out?

Awful war. They don't want us there anymore. I was firmly behind the war and have been there myself but I'm starting to think we need to get out.

I'm now based at Brize so see the reality of it everytime a soldier dies as their bodies come back to Brize. We pay our own respects by standing to attention as the aircraft taxies past taking their body to the repatriation ceremony. Chokes me everytime.

Should we pull out? Yes. Should we have went in the first place? No.

Awful war. They don't want us there anymore. I was firmly behind the war and have been there myself but I'm starting to think we need to get out.

I'm now based at Brize so see the reality of it everytime a soldier dies as their bodies come back to Brize. We pay our own respects by standing to attention as the aircraft taxies past taking their body to the repatriation ceremony. Chokes me everytime.

I have huge respect for our armed forces and feel that we should never have gone there in 1st place. Blair following his mate Bush.

We need to sort out our own country before interfering elsewhere.

Should we pull out? Yes. Should we have went in the first place? No.

Fully agreed

pulling out now would mean we achieved nothing.The soldiers are not dying in vain they are doing wonders over there if we pull out now the others would have died and done nothing.We only hear of the negative news think how much good has happened which we never here about.The only thing is we only here of deaths and not the life changing injuries such as amputations so the numbers may be greater than we think.

pulling out now would mean we achieved nothing.The soldiers are not dying in vain they are doing wonders over there if we pull out now the others would have died and done nothing.We only hear of the negative news think how much good has happened which we never here about.The only thing is we only here of deaths and not the life changing injuries such as amputations so the numbers may be greater than we think.

We are pulling out in 2014 at which time the Taliban will step back into power. The Afghan people don't want us there anymore. Mostly cos of our American friends and their gung ho military but we still bear the brunt of it.

We pull out now they will walk it at least 2 years should give the locals a chance to defend themselves.Pakistan is the route of the problems terrorism will continue until they sort it the problems there

A big f*cking yes. The country's on it's knees thanks to all these wars.

We pull out now they will walk it at least 2 years should give the locals a chance to defend themselves.Pakistan is the route of the problems terrorism will continue until they sort it the problems there

Unfortunately they will 'walk it' regardless; now or in 2014. The presence of foreign military personnel does little besides antagonise the indigenous peoples. We entered Iraq and Afghanistan as a result of (frankly ludicrous) American interventionist foreign policy and spineless British leaders who were unwilling to deviate from the 'special relationship'.

We have gained little and lost alot in Afghanistan, we should never have entered. The British casualties are in vain as I have felt from the very start, and even the military are beginning to become disillusioned with the conflict itself. Afghanistan has served as a foreign grave for many years, the Russians previously failed just as we have done.

The present total for the UK alone is now over £18 Billion and rising. As of yesterday, the current casualty total is 410. Money well spent? Loss of life for a worthwhile cause? I don't think so.

We have not won the 'hearts and minds' of the Afghani people, we have not seriously disrupted the functioning of terrorist orgainisations, and we have not liberated the civillians from tyranny and fear. If the United States want to play 'Doctor Democracy' then that is fine, however I do not approve of British soldiers being killed for unattainable American aims.

This is not our conflict.

We pull out now they will walk it at least 2 years should give the locals a chance to defend themselves.Pakistan is the route of the problems terrorism will continue until they sort it the problems there

Unfortunately they will 'walk it' regardless; now or in 2014. The presence of foreign military personnel does little besides antagonise the indigenous peoples. We entered Iraq and Afghanistan as a result of (frankly ludicrous) American interventionist foreign policy and spineless British leaders who were unwilling to deviate from the 'special relationship'.

We have gained little and lost alot in Afghanistan, we should never have entered. The British casualties are in vain as I have felt from the very start, and even the military are beginning to become disillusioned with the conflict itself. Afghanistan has served as a foreign grave for many years, the Russians previously failed just as we have done.

The present total for the UK alone is now over £18 Billion and rising. As of yesterday, the current casualty total is 410. Money well spent? Loss of life for a worthwhile cause? I don't think so.

We have not won the 'hearts and minds' of the Afghani people, we have not seriously disrupted the functioning of terrorist orgainisations, and we have not liberated the civillians from tyranny and fear. If the United States want to play 'Doctor Democracy' then that is fine, however I do not approve of British soldiers being killed for unattainable American aims.

This is not our conflict.

Imposing democracy on people is no better than what Muslims try to do by imposing sharia law on us.

Imposing democracy on people is no better than what Muslims try to do by imposing sharia law on us.

That isn't happening. Nonsensical EDL rhetoric.

We should pull out IMO a waste of life and for what

Should we pull out? Yes. Should we have went in the first place? No.

no and no.....we cant pullout now.....but agreed we should never have gone their in the first place

I dont think we should of been there in the first place.But quitting ahead of the planned date will be a physiological boost to the taliban and will make our troops think 'well that was pointless'

I dont think we should of been there in the first place.But quitting ahead of the planned date will be a physiological boost to the taliban and will make our troops think 'well that was pointless'

...and they don't think that anyway?

most probably not otherwise why would they sign up.

Imposing democracy on people is no better than what Muslims try to do by imposing sharia law on us.

That isn't happening. Nonsensical EDL rhetoric.

Yes they do. There are lots who take the literal meaning of the Koran to spread Islam and Sharia law around the world and to kill infidels.

most probably not otherwise why would they sign up.

The military's disillusionment is increasing by the day.

Yes they do. There are lots who take the literal meaning of the Koran to spread Islam and Sharia law around the world and to kill infidels.

Around the world; yes. In this country; no.

Awful war. They don't want us there anymore. I was firmly behind the war and have been there myself but I'm starting to think we need to get out.

I'm now based at Brize so see the reality of it everytime a soldier dies as their bodies come back to Brize. We pay our own respects by standing to attention as the aircraft taxies past taking their body to the repatriation ceremony. Chokes me everytime.

I have huge respect for our armed forces and feel that we should never have gone there in 1st place. Blair following his mate Bush.

We need to sort out our own country before interfering elsewhere.

nail on head gareth - very sad indeed - our boys getting killed for what?
there is more terrorism in the middle east now than when we went in. Costs us fuckin billions of pounds and -the loss of life is priceless.
there is more brainwashing and fundementalism on our doorstep than ever. bush and blair have perpetuated this nightmare.
What exactly do they hope to achieve in afganistan?
The english empire couldnt do it, the russians couldnt do it.
There are too many players involved -its more than just afgans.

its fuckin sadistic to send young fit men into a fuckin death zone as target practice by any anti west group and nutter masquerading as a holy fighter.

get them out and clean our country up