" Watford fan's perspective "

Good evening all. Just thought I would share a couple of my thoughts with you about the game today.

Firstly the pitch certainly did not make things easy for either team today. The ball seemed to bobble about all over the place and there was a real zip to the surface with the rain. You would think that playing on a pitch destroyed by the saracens on a regular basis we would have been used to it, but i think everybody struggled a bit today.

Secondly the tackles. I have browsed the forum and seen an awful lot of negative comments about our tackles being dangerous, too dirty etc. I even read somewhere someone with the view that Dyche should be banned from managing (get real).

I admit that Hogg's tackle does look horrible in the photo, although I would point out he did win the ball. He did collect the player on the way through and so it was a foul, and perhaps a different ref might have given a red. I think Mr Deadman probably thought that as it was not two footed or from behind it might not have warranted serious foul play. I have also seen someone suggest that the tackle was deliberately malicious, Hogg is a young lad and just not that type of player. Overall we did try our luck with the ref today, and I reckon the wet pitch probably meant that we were liable to pick up more yellow cards than we might normally see.

Thirdly I think overall the hornets were probably the better side. I thought the cardiff goal was slightly against the run of play, after what had been a fairly even first half. Cardiff dominated until about the half hour mark at which point we pulled ourselves back into the game. Miller's goal made me realise just how much we miss a player like Cowie.
The second half was perhaps one of the most one sided 45 minutes of football I have seen this season. I think had Miller not hit the post, you probably would have clinched it but as it was your style of play lead to the end result.

From an outsiders point of view; Malky has not learned a jot in the last 12 months. The football was negative, why oh why would you ever sit back on a 1 goal lead at home. After half time they just looked like they had the energy all sucked out of them. Our goal was coming all half, there was no way we were not going to score, it was just when. Based on the 2nd half display we definitely deserved a point.

What it showed me is that Watford really need some quality in the final third, and that Cardiff need to man up. Had Cardiff played the second half in the same manner as the first Im sure that you would all be at home tonight toasting three more points. Honestly I don't think playing that style of football will you get promoted. You might make the playoffs, but I honestly don't think you will win them.

I was also surprised to not see Mason? Injured?

I hope Conway is not injured too badly, and wish you luck but in this hornet fans opinion Malky needs to buck his ideas up.

Cant say I disagree with a lot of that, I thought Watford played well and in a way were unlucky to go away with just a point

Wasn't impress with your tackling, some of it was just dirty play, but the sean dyche bit made me laugh

To say Cardiff need to man up..."can you explain why?"

On the other hand good luck for the rest of the season

Dirty horrible little side Watford, probably the worst side to come to the CCS, spent the entire game throwing about heavy tackles and disrupting play.

Wasn't helped out by a useless Ninian Stand linesman and a referee that seemed determined to book Cardiff players and only booked your players when they should really have seen a few reds.

Dirty nasty team that can't play football so they just break up the other team's play. Not impressed one bit.

Cant say I disagree with a lot of that, I thought Watford played well and in a way were unlucky to go away with just a point

Wasn't impress with your tackling, some of it was just dirty play, but the sean dyche bit made me laugh

To say Cardiff need to man up..."can you explain why?"

On the other hand good luck for the rest of the season

There were no players out there today in a blue shirt who took the game by the scruff of the neck and looked to make things happen. Football is a team game, but sometimes an individual can have such a huge impact on the game. Look at Balotelli he has single handedly caused City to implode. In watford games this season John Eustace has pulled the rest of the team into the game in his wake.

There were no leaders in your cardiff team today, no one who said '**** this, lets **** up these english ****holes.' Sometimes thats what you need, and its players like that who will get you out of the league. To be honest I would not have known who the cardiff captain was today were it not for the coin toss at the start.

Dirty horrible little side Watford, probably the worst side to come to the CCS, spent the entire game throwing about heavy tackles and disrupting play.

Wasn't helped out by a useless Ninian Stand linesman and a referee that seemed determined to book Cardiff players and only booked your players when they should really have seen a few reds.

Dirty nasty team that can't play football so they just break up the other team's play. Not impressed one bit.

A dirty nasty team that can't play football but played spurs off the park in the fa cup. Are you perhaps making a judgement based on the one game you have seen us play this season? Did you come to the vic this year, or are you a stay at home fan?

Good evening all. Just thought I would share a couple of my thoughts with you about the game today.

Firstly the pitch certainly did not make things easy for either team today. The ball seemed to bobble about all over the place and there was a real zip to the surface with the rain. You would think that playing on a pitch destroyed by the saracens on a regular basis we would have been used to it, but i think everybody struggled a bit today.

Secondly the tackles. I have browsed the forum and seen an awful lot of negative comments about our tackles being dangerous, too dirty etc. I even read somewhere someone with the view that Dyche should be banned from managing (get real).

I admit that Hogg's tackle does look horrible in the photo, although I would point out he did win the ball. He did collect the player on the way through and so it was a foul, and perhaps a different ref might have given a red. I think Mr Deadman probably thought that as it was not two footed or from behind it might not have warranted serious foul play. I have also seen someone suggest that the tackle was deliberately malicious, Hogg is a young lad and just not that type of player. Overall we did try our luck with the ref today, and I reckon the wet pitch probably meant that we were liable to pick up more yellow cards than we might normally see.

Thirdly I think overall the hornets were probably the better side. I thought the cardiff goal was slightly against the run of play, after what had been a fairly even first half. Cardiff dominated until about the half hour mark at which point we pulled ourselves back into the game. Miller's goal made me realise just how much we miss a player like Cowie.
The second half was perhaps one of the most one sided 45 minutes of football I have seen this season. I think had Miller not hit the post, you probably would have clinched it but as it was your style of play lead to the end result.

From an outsiders point of view; Malky has not learned a jot in the last 12 months. The football was negative, why oh why would you ever sit back on a 1 goal lead at home. After half time they just looked like they had the energy all sucked out of them. Our goal was coming all half, there was no way we were not going to score, it was just when. Based on the 2nd half display we definitely deserved a point.

What it showed me is that Watford really need some quality in the final third, and that Cardiff need to man up. Had Cardiff played the second half in the same manner as the first Im sure that you would all be at home tonight toasting three more points. Honestly I don't think playing that style of football will you get promoted. You might make the playoffs, but I honestly don't think you will win them.

I was also surprised to not see Mason? Injured?

I hope Conway is not injured too badly, and wish you luck but in this hornet fans opinion Malky needs to buck his ideas up.

I thought you were the dirtiest team we have played this season. I hate seeing a teams play like that but I'm more annoyed with the referee for not sending at least 2 of your players off. Overall I think the result was the right one but you did not deserve the 3 points playing like that.

I take yourpointabout Malky specially if thatis how he played it last season. To everyone in the pub at Thirsk Saturday I stand by my decision.

Dirty horrible little side Watford, probably the worst side to come to the CCS, spent the entire game throwing about heavy tackles and disrupting play.

Wasn't helped out by a useless Ninian Stand linesman and a referee that seemed determined to book Cardiff players and only booked your players when they should really have seen a few reds.

Dirty nasty team that can't play football so they just break up the other team's play. Not impressed one bit.

A dirty nasty team that can't play football but played spurs off the park in the fa cup. Are you perhaps making a judgement based on the one game you have seen us play this season? Did you come to the vic this year, or are you a stay at home fan?

Played spurs off the park in the FA cup?


Which team is in the FA cup semi final later this month?

I have not had to say this for yours, but that was the dirtiest/bullying opposition we have played for many many a year, not good for football.

Dirtiest side I have see at home this season. From my view Nosworth should have gone for a elbow to the face first half too, but the ref didn;t even give a free kick.

Played spurs off the park in the FA cup?
Which team is in the FA cup semi final later this month?

Unless your relatively new to the sport that is football (if you are then congrats, its great isnt it), you should be aware of the concept that sometimes the team that plays the best on the day does not always win?
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the point i am making is that we are not a dirty little team who kick people of the park, we are a team who adjust our playing style on the basis of pitch, weather, opponents and players at our disposal on any given day. from what i could see we deserved three yellow cards, i don't think the conway challenge was a red either. he won the ball, did not go in two footed or from behind. never a red.

if you want to talk about dirty how about the completely needless over the top challenge by gerrard that cost you the freekick for the equaliser?

I have not had to say this for years, but that was the dirtiest/bullying opposition we have played for many many a year, not good for football.

most of what the watford fan says is true

thanks for your views, it hasnt been mentioned much on here, but i thought your goal was offside, resulting from a free kick, we kept our line and at least 4 watford players were all caught out, havent seen it on sky sports yet. but looked offside to me,

I have not had to say this for yours, but that was the dirtiest/bullying opposition we have played for many many a year, not good for football.

have you considered that maybe the cardiff side are physically weak and unable to cope when games get physical? at the end of the day football is still a contact sport. people keep going on about these supposed red cards, but other than the contention of the conway injury im not sure what else they can see. nosworthy elbow? give me a break.

most of what the watford fan says is true

Most being the operative word here. We all know about Gerrard.

We were poor but I was very unimpressed with Watford having read about the young attacking team Watford fans claim they have. I always felt we gave you chances through poor play more than anything.
Very dirty team with a very weak ref meant you certainly had that advantage.

No doubt whatsoever that Watford deserved a point and I'm all for a bit of physical contact, but I've never ever seen a team push and shove the opposition so much before in a game as Watford did.
I suppose they rode their luck because of weak and inconsistent officials, tackle on Conway was reckless in the conditions and the Watford player knew exactly what he was doing!

Thought the officials were poor today, the same ref as the Burnley cup game last October, didn't attend so i can't comment. Watford very physical, their No 5 & 32 worthy of mention. Thought Watford were average, but so were we, gave the ball away too many times, very poor, midfield poor. As for LL, just what does he add ??? Still can't see us making a play off place, not on that display, anyhow!

I have not had to say this for yours, but that was the dirtiest/bullying opposition we have played for many many a year, not good for football.

have you considered that maybe the cardiff side are physically weak and unable to cope when games get physical? at the end of the day football is still a contact sport. people keep going on about these supposed red cards, but other than the contention of the conway injury im not sure what else they can see. nosworthy elbow? give me a break.

This amuses me when the softest of nudges resulted in the freekick and equaliser. I'm sorry to say it but you ARE a very dirty side and one of our more threatening players now needs to go for a scan on a potential broken foot because of it. Spot on about everything else though.

I'm I the only one who thinks we were the much better team even tho we didn't play all that well. We should have had 3 or 4 and would of if it wasn't for that dirty b*stard who got Conway injured.

Hope he is OK because it was great to see someone get down that wing and get a ball in.

second half was a struggle and we didnt push on for our lead. but they were obviously fatigued with having only 1 day rest.

Played spurs off the park in the FA cup?
Which team is in the FA cup semi final later this month?

Unless your relatively new to the sport that is football (if you are then congrats, its great isnt it), you should be aware of the concept that sometimes the team that plays the best on the day does not always win?
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the point i am making is that we are not a dirty little team who kick people of the park, we are a team who adjust our playing style on the basis of pitch, weather, opponents and players at our disposal on any given day. from what i could see we deserved three yellow cards, i don't think the conway challenge was a red either. he won the ball, did not go in two footed or from behind. never a red.

if you want to talk about dirty how about the completely needless over the top challenge by gerrard that cost you the freekick for the equaliser?

Oh yeah, terrible tackle by Gerrard, pretty impressive though seeing as he wasn't even in the squad

The rule on reckless challenges has no bearing on direction, number of feet or how much of the ball is reached.

The rule states that if a player goes into a challenge with excessive force with one or two feet they should be given a red card. The fact is your player went in hard enough to go through the ball and break our player's ankle. That is more than excessive force I think you'll agree.

Got to agree with most of the comments and would say that Watford are the dirtiest side i have seen this season and with a stronger ref you probably would have ended up with 9 men the challenge on Conway was appalling and your player should have seen red. I agree however that a watford goal was almost inevitable and just can't understand why we try and sit on a 1-0 lead I really wasn't impressed with Watford some of the passing was appalling especially when you trying to play the ball in behind our full banks with numerous balls either going out for a goal kick or through to our keeper expected a lot more due to the good run you have been on

Ben Turner gave away the free kick that led to your goal, was one of the softest touches I have ever seen. I have to be honest I didn't think your team was particularly dirty compared to ANY team that Neil Warnock is in charge of when they play us. I would go as far as to say that Dyche probably said to the Watford team "Right lads, we are still in it, but that Conway lad is ripping us apart....I mean what do we have to do, break his leg?" with a cheeky smile would have passed off as frustrated banter, but then he knew some moron would take him up on that quite literally.

I'll be honest i saw a couple of elbows flying from Watford and what the hell was the referee doing allowing play to continue when there was a tussle between opposing players (couldn't see who they were) in the second half.

Your goal looked offside to me....the only winner on the day was probably the ref with money on the game.

It is the nature of the beast that all football fans will see any game through biased eyes - not deliberately, that is just how it is. Today for example us Watford fans were convinced the Ref was 100% a homer and yet reading your comments you obviously saw it different!!

I'm sorry though, some of the comments on here have gone way beyond reasonable. "Dirtiest team ever", "cheating b*stards" and the best one of all, "targeting" Craig "Messi" Conway? - Honestly? Really?

Our first booking (Assombalonga no 26) did not look like a booking - just two guys sliding together on a 50/50. As for the tackle on Conway, that was quite close to us away fans and with the one look in real time (which is what the ref would have had) we were disgusted a foul was even given, let alone a yellow card!! Slid in with only one leg (and not off the ground) and totally got the ball. Accept the photo with second leg following does not look great.

Not unexpectedly, Miserable Moaning Malky saw it differently from the opposite side of the pitch. Do you know what? I was really upset when Malky left us, although unlike some I could totally understand why - who wouldn't leave for a tripling of their wages? But now I am so happy - Sean Dyche has done a great job in difficult circumstances and NOT ONCE has he blamed officials. If we are sh*t he says so.

The general point is step back and try and have a balanced look at things. We weren't by any means dirty today. Neither were we particularly any good, but we were good enough to merit at least a point. Good luck for the remainder of the season.

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Sounds like it's not the first time you've bullied your way into a game


It's not often I criticise a team's play so much but Watford were an absolute disgrace to football.

as far i saw, turner breathed too close to him and the ref gave a free kick.

Aramore - your quote from the Blackpool fans I think proves my point entirely!! Martinez MOM? Mind boggling! I cannot remember ever before hearing a player squealing like a pig from way back in the stands and then getting up and running off when he realised he wasn't getting a free kick. I'm a big fan of Holloway, but my view is that Blackpool were cheating timewasters!!

PS Since writing my first post I've just remembered the booking of your fella 2nd half for foul on our 19, right in front of the dugouts. Looked an absolutely awful tackle, but no one here has mentioned it??????

Watford deserved a point, but not three.

Turner was naive giving away the free kick. The Watford lad was obviously kooking for it, and sadly Turner fell for it. Just the touch was enough. The ref fell for it.

Miller's goal was terriffic. It was right in front of me, and the way he turned his head and powered it into the net was class.

Getting a bit worried about all this appealing for offside. Just deal with it.

Watford were very lucky to end with more than nine players. The foul on Conway was reckless, and deliberate, but achieved its aim. He was on crutches afterwards, with one of those plastic things on his foot. Obviously hope he's OK. What made it worse was the cowardly way the Watford player involved tried to act sympathetically afterwards, both at the time, and when Conway went off. Just be man enough to be honest. 'I tried to injure him, and I did'. Gutless. And don't give us any of that 'he's not that kind of player'. Most of us recognise a dirty tackle, intended to injure, when we see it. We saw it today. It is very rare to see a professional footballer try to injure another. That's what we saw today. Watford have played us off the park in recent seasons. Today they just kicked us off the park. Reminded me a bit of Sheffield United. Praise indeed!

Malky complains enough about refs and linos. He should be honest and complain about that dirty lot today, even if it does upset his pals.

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