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Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:27 pm

The Football league are to put forward a plan to all football league side that would see some Scottish teams join the English pyramid system.

If accepted Celtic could be playing in League 1 next season.

The Football league and Scottish Premier League have both Contacted Uefa in regards to their plans.

Dont Have any links so Dont ask but it is reported in several tabloids also.


thought?

Re: Celtic

Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:30 pm

Where did the tabloids come from?

I personally think it would be good, they're too big for the Scottish leagues but would heir tremendous support travel all over England?

Re: Celtic

Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:39 pm

Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Where did the tabloids come from?

I personally think it would be good, they're too big for the Scottish leagues but would heir tremendous support travel all over England?



Deffo :D plus there are hundreds of CSC's all over England so many wouldn't have for to travel.

Re: Celtic

Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:56 pm

Massive fan of this! The Scottish F.A and the English F.A we're always going to allow integration of the 2 bigs into the English system, it was just a matter of time. Celtic and Rangers are more destructive than constructive to the SPL and with 'the mighty' Rangers going bust it's made the club push harder for it.

Yes English clubs will be squeezed out slightly by the two clubs, but those and their fans being in the English system will do a lot more for revitalizing the British game than most have or will every do in 50 lifetimes.

If I were to go one step further, the Welsh, English and Scottish league should be restructured and integrated under under a UK football governing body, I could ellaborate in more detail about who it could/would work but I did that in a 80 page essay for uni a few years back....tedious.

Re: Celtic

Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:59 pm

Taff on the Mersey wrote:Massive fan of this! The Scottish F.A and the English F.A we're always going to allow integration of the 2 bigs into the English system, it was just a matter of time. Celtic and Rangers are more destructive than constructive to the SPL and with 'the mighty' Rangers going bust it's made the club push harder for it.

Yes English clubs will be squeezed out slightly by the two clubs, but those and their fans being in the English system will do a lot more for revitalizing the British game than most have or will every do in 50 lifetimes.

If I were to go one step further, the Welsh, English and Scottish league should be restructured and integrated under under a UK football governing body, I could ellaborate in more detail about who it could/would work but I did that in a 80 page essay for uni a few years back....tedious.


I reckon there should be a British league aswell. But could you imagine the organisation of it all? I mean...who goes in which leagues ? It would be a fooking headache. :lol:

Re: Celtic

Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:14 pm

Would average points accumulated in the last 20 seasons....ie British Div 1 needs an average of 50pts league 2 40pts etc.....just one possibility I just made up. There are literally 100's of ways, people just need to really sit down and consider it properly first.

Re: Celtic

Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:28 pm

Scottish football will die on its arse, the SPL would soon be as weak as the Welsh league and finally its the next step to Team GB becoming a permanent feature.

For those reasons, I'm out.

Re: Celtic

Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:31 pm

scotsjack wrote:Scottish football will die on its arse, the SPL would soon be as weak as the Welsh league and finally its the next step to Team GB becoming a permanent feature.

For those reasons, I'm out.


I think he means ALL of the teams.

Re: Celtic

Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:43 pm

Yea maybe then they could fork out the millions for Ledley and Matthews they tucked us up for!. :o

Re: Celtic

Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:53 pm

Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Where did the tabloids come from?

I personally think it would be good, they're too big for the Scottish leagues but would heir tremendous support travel all over England?


yeh it would be great to see the terrorist supporting anti british sepitc fans supporting their vile child abuse covering up club entering the english league ...NOT
celtic consider themseves to be irish great, if they want out of the spl they are more than welcome to join the league of ireland (tho doubt if the good irish peolpe would want that lot there) and go back home

Re: Celtic

Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:28 pm

aj1927 wrote:The Football league are to put forward a plan to all football league side that would see some Scottish teams join the English pyramid system.

If accepted Celtic could be playing in League 1 next season.

The Football league and Scottish Premier League have both Contacted Uefa in regards to their plans.

Dont Have any links so Dont ask but it is reported in several tabloids also.


thought?


some?? dont you mean celtic/rangers?
will never happen euafa wouldnt agree eg if celtic were allowed because they are to big for spl whats stopping real &barca doing same as to big for la leager ect ect, best thing is have super league then they can all screw poor jo public with there over hyped egos

Re: Celtic

Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:11 pm

MAESTEG BLUE wrote:
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Where did the tabloids come from?

I personally think it would be good, they're too big for the Scottish leagues but would heir tremendous support travel all over England?


yeh it would be great to see the terrorist supporting anti british sepitc fans supporting their vile child abuse covering up club entering the english league ...NOT
celtic consider themseves to be irish great, if they want out of the spl they are more than welcome to join the league of ireland (tho doubt if the good irish peolpe would want that lot there) and go back home


Can you spot MAESTEG BLUE in the line up below?

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Re: Celtic

Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:23 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
aj1927 wrote:The Football league are to put forward a plan to all football league side that would see some Scottish teams join the English pyramid system.

If accepted Celtic could be playing in League 1 next season.

The Football league and Scottish Premier League have both Contacted Uefa in regards to their plans.

Dont Have any links so Dont ask but it is reported in several tabloids also.


thought?


some?? dont you mean celtic/rangers?
will never happen euafa wouldnt agree eg if celtic were allowed because they are to big for spl whats stopping real &barca doing same as to big for la leager ect ect, best thing is have super league then they can all screw poor jo public with there over hyped egos


No I mean some.

Hibs Hearts Aberdeen Dundee united all included.

Complications are a plenty but it is thought should it happen then all Scottish clubs would not take part in F.A cup or League cup and remain in Scottish cup comps.

Re: Celtic

Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:44 pm

aj1927 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
aj1927 wrote:The Football league are to put forward a plan to all football league side that would see some Scottish teams join the English pyramid system.

If accepted Celtic could be playing in League 1 next season.

The Football league and Scottish Premier League have both Contacted Uefa in regards to their plans.

Dont Have any links so Dont ask but it is reported in several tabloids also.


thought?


some?? dont you mean celtic/rangers?
will never happen euafa wouldnt agree eg if celtic were allowed because they are to big for spl whats stopping real &barca doing same as to big for la leager ect ect, best thing is have super league then they can all screw poor jo public with there over hyped egos


No I mean some.

Hibs Hearts Aberdeen Dundee united all included.

Complications are a plenty but it is thought should it happen then all Scottish clubs would not take part in F.A cup or League cup and remain in Scottish cup comps.


Where would you put them though, I'm sure that Celtic would level out but Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen and Dundee Utd would struggle to get out of league one. Only my opinion but this idea sounds like a non starter, if UEFA agreed to this, then as I mentioned earlier, it will be the first step towards Team GB, which FIFA and UEFA would love, I wouldn't!

Re: Celtic

Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:52 am

Thats what i thought too! the scottish fa oppose team gb for the olympics because they feel threatened by Scotland being overlooked by fifa yet they are now wanting to play in the the english league!! I suppose it is no different to us and swansea though is it!

Re: Celtic

Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:08 am

From what I've heard since, this is just some journalists churning out the same story that pops up a few times each season. The difference with Swansea and Cardiff is that we were invited in at the very beginning of respective divisions, meaning that it didn't cause any upheaval and that we, along with other Welsh teams have been in the pyramid for a long, long time.

Re: Celtic

Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:12 am

pembroke allan wrote:
aj1927 wrote:The Football league are to put forward a plan to all football league side that would see some Scottish teams join the English pyramid system.

If accepted Celtic could be playing in League 1 next season.

The Football league and Scottish Premier League have both Contacted Uefa in regards to their plans.

Dont Have any links so Dont ask but it is reported in several tabloids also.


thought?


some?? dont you mean celtic/rangers?
will never happen euafa wouldnt agree eg if celtic were allowed because they are to big for spl whats stopping real &barca doing same as to big for la leager ect ect, best thing is have super league then they can all screw poor jo public with there over hyped egos



you can't compare the scottish league to the spanish league.

Re: Celtic

Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:21 am

easternblue wrote:Thats what i thought too! the scottish fa oppose team gb for the olympics because they feel threatened by Scotland being overlooked by fifa yet they are now wanting to play in the the english league!! I suppose it is no different to us and swansea though is it!


There is nothing anywhere to suggest that the Scottish FA would support this in any way.

Personally, I'd be glad to see the back of Celtic & Rangers. They need each other more than anyone else does. Other clubs would have to cut their cloth to begin with, but it would restore an even playing field as clubs adjusted.

Re: Celtic

Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:35 am

PtB wrote:
easternblue wrote:Thats what i thought too! the scottish fa oppose team gb for the olympics because they feel threatened by Scotland being overlooked by fifa yet they are now wanting to play in the the english league!! I suppose it is no different to us and swansea though is it!


There is nothing anywhere to suggest that the Scottish FA would support this in any way.

Personally, I'd be glad to see the back of Celtic & Rangers. They need each other more than anyone else does. Other clubs would have to cut their cloth to begin with, but it would restore an even playing field as clubs adjusted.


Do you see it as a good thing then? I've been trying to see both sides of the argument since Rangers went into meltdown but I can't imagine the SPL without the Old Firm. On a seperate note, it was sad to see empty seats at the Edinburgh derby yesterday. I still think the other clubs need Celtic and Rangers in there to survive.

Re: Celtic

Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:57 am

scotsjack wrote:
PtB wrote:
easternblue wrote:Thats what i thought too! the scottish fa oppose team gb for the olympics because they feel threatened by Scotland being overlooked by fifa yet they are now wanting to play in the the english league!! I suppose it is no different to us and swansea though is it!


There is nothing anywhere to suggest that the Scottish FA would support this in any way.

Personally, I'd be glad to see the back of Celtic & Rangers. They need each other more than anyone else does. Other clubs would have to cut their cloth to begin with, but it would restore an even playing field as clubs adjusted.


Do you see it as a good thing then? I've been trying to see both sides of the argument since Rangers went into meltdown but I can't imagine the SPL without the Old Firm. On a seperate note, it was sad to see empty seats at the Edinburgh derby yesterday. I still think the other clubs need Celtic and Rangers in there to survive.


I see it as a good thing. At present the only losers I see if Rangers go into liquidation are Celtic. Fans would stay away from Cletic Park in their droves and season ticket sales would tumble. Many only buy ST's to get their Old Firm & big European fixture tickets. There's thousands of empty seats at every other game unless it is a top European side or a trohpy presentation. The SPL would take a year or two to adjust without the Old Firm but I do believe the rest would regroup and prosper in Scotland. They are no longer an attraction when they go on the road either with very few teams selling out against them. Losing those 2 aand going to a 16 team top flight would make the difference up in gate revenue right away. Would Old Firm fans flock to England in their droves? For a while, yes, when the novelty wears off, they'll just be another team in an English league.

Not 100% on the Edinburgh thing but I believe both clubs have been arsey lately on how tickets are sold/distributed to away fans and prices have went up. If it is to do with that then it's good to see fans standing up against clubs and their over inflated ticket fees. If it's down to Hibs poor form then it's a sad state of affairs that they couldn't sell out their big game.

Re: Celtic

Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:10 am

PtB wrote:
scotsjack wrote:
PtB wrote:
easternblue wrote:Thats what i thought too! the scottish fa oppose team gb for the olympics because they feel threatened by Scotland being overlooked by fifa yet they are now wanting to play in the the english league!! I suppose it is no different to us and swansea though is it!


There is nothing anywhere to suggest that the Scottish FA would support this in any way.

Personally, I'd be glad to see the back of Celtic & Rangers. They need each other more than anyone else does. Other clubs would have to cut their cloth to begin with, but it would restore an even playing field as clubs adjusted.


Do you see it as a good thing then? I've been trying to see both sides of the argument since Rangers went into meltdown but I can't imagine the SPL without the Old Firm. On a seperate note, it was sad to see empty seats at the Edinburgh derby yesterday. I still think the other clubs need Celtic and Rangers in there to survive.


I see it as a good thing. At present the only losers I see if Rangers go into liquidation are Celtic. Fans would stay away from Cletic Park in their droves and season ticket sales would tumble. Many only buy ST's to get their Old Firm & big European fixture tickets. There's thousands of empty seats at every other game unless it is a top European side or a trohpy presentation. The SPL would take a year or two to adjust without the Old Firm but I do believe the rest would regroup and prosper in Scotland. They are no longer an attraction when they go on the road either with very few teams selling out against them. Losing those 2 aand going to a 16 team top flight would make the difference up in gate revenue right away. Would Old Firm fans flock to England in their droves? For a while, yes, when the novelty wears off, they'll just be another team in an English league.

Not 100% on the Edinburgh thing but I believe both clubs have been arsey lately on how tickets are sold/distributed to away fans and prices have went up. If it is to do with that then it's good to see fans standing up against clubs and their over inflated ticket fees. If it's down to Hibs poor form then it's a sad state of affairs that they couldn't sell out their big game.


Some very fair points, and I have thought that a 16 team league is the way forward in Scotland for a while now. I'll disagree that the Scottish league would prosper without the old firm but that's just my opinion. I do think the bubble bursting moneywise will be good for the National team eventually though, every cloud and all that...

My cousin is a season ticket holder with Hibs and I think he's just had enough these days, I went to see Hearts play Kilmarnock last season with a few mates and we ended up leaving at half time, Tynecastle was half empty, the football was awful and we just headed back to the pub. Something has to change up there, that is one thing that is certain.

Re: Celtic

Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:15 am

scotsjack wrote:
PtB wrote:
scotsjack wrote:
PtB wrote:
easternblue wrote:Thats what i thought too! the scottish fa oppose team gb for the olympics because they feel threatened by Scotland being overlooked by fifa yet they are now wanting to play in the the english league!! I suppose it is no different to us and swansea though is it!


There is nothing anywhere to suggest that the Scottish FA would support this in any way.

Personally, I'd be glad to see the back of Celtic & Rangers. They need each other more than anyone else does. Other clubs would have to cut their cloth to begin with, but it would restore an even playing field as clubs adjusted.


Do you see it as a good thing then? I've been trying to see both sides of the argument since Rangers went into meltdown but I can't imagine the SPL without the Old Firm. On a seperate note, it was sad to see empty seats at the Edinburgh derby yesterday. I still think the other clubs need Celtic and Rangers in there to survive.


I see it as a good thing. At present the only losers I see if Rangers go into liquidation are Celtic. Fans would stay away from Cletic Park in their droves and season ticket sales would tumble. Many only buy ST's to get their Old Firm & big European fixture tickets. There's thousands of empty seats at every other game unless it is a top European side or a trohpy presentation. The SPL would take a year or two to adjust without the Old Firm but I do believe the rest would regroup and prosper in Scotland. They are no longer an attraction when they go on the road either with very few teams selling out against them. Losing those 2 aand going to a 16 team top flight would make the difference up in gate revenue right away. Would Old Firm fans flock to England in their droves? For a while, yes, when the novelty wears off, they'll just be another team in an English league.

Not 100% on the Edinburgh thing but I believe both clubs have been arsey lately on how tickets are sold/distributed to away fans and prices have went up. If it is to do with that then it's good to see fans standing up against clubs and their over inflated ticket fees. If it's down to Hibs poor form then it's a sad state of affairs that they couldn't sell out their big game.


Some very fair points, and I have thought that a 16 team league is the way forward in Scotland for a while now. I'll disagree that the Scottish league would prosper without the old firm but that's just my opinion. I do think the bubble bursting moneywise will be good for the National team eventually though, every cloud and all that...

My cousin is a season ticket holder with Hibs and I think he's just had enough these days, I went to see Hearts play Kilmarnock last season with a few mates and we ended up leaving at half time, Tynecastle was half empty, the football was awful and we just headed back to the pub. Something has to change up there, that is one thing that is certain.


I don't think the league would prosper, just certain teams would if that makes sense? There would be competition again.

I moved upto Aberdeen almost 4 years ago and have been up to see them a few times. Some games have been dire and some not even that good. A club that was reguaraly challenging for the title and lifted a European trophy and now success is finishing in the top 6 of the league and getting over 9,000 through the gate. I really hope they can win the Scottish Cup and maybe they can kick on from that because the guys I work with and go to games with deserve that, like the 4,000 Killie diehards deserved yesterday.

Re: Celtic

Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:21 am

PtB wrote:
scotsjack wrote:
PtB wrote:
scotsjack wrote:
PtB wrote:
easternblue wrote:Thats what i thought too! the scottish fa oppose team gb for the olympics because they feel threatened by Scotland being overlooked by fifa yet they are now wanting to play in the the english league!! I suppose it is no different to us and swansea though is it!


There is nothing anywhere to suggest that the Scottish FA would support this in any way.

Personally, I'd be glad to see the back of Celtic & Rangers. They need each other more than anyone else does. Other clubs would have to cut their cloth to begin with, but it would restore an even playing field as clubs adjusted.


Do you see it as a good thing then? I've been trying to see both sides of the argument since Rangers went into meltdown but I can't imagine the SPL without the Old Firm. On a seperate note, it was sad to see empty seats at the Edinburgh derby yesterday. I still think the other clubs need Celtic and Rangers in there to survive.


I see it as a good thing. At present the only losers I see if Rangers go into liquidation are Celtic. Fans would stay away from Cletic Park in their droves and season ticket sales would tumble. Many only buy ST's to get their Old Firm & big European fixture tickets. There's thousands of empty seats at every other game unless it is a top European side or a trohpy presentation. The SPL would take a year or two to adjust without the Old Firm but I do believe the rest would regroup and prosper in Scotland. They are no longer an attraction when they go on the road either with very few teams selling out against them. Losing those 2 aand going to a 16 team top flight would make the difference up in gate revenue right away. Would Old Firm fans flock to England in their droves? For a while, yes, when the novelty wears off, they'll just be another team in an English league.

Not 100% on the Edinburgh thing but I believe both clubs have been arsey lately on how tickets are sold/distributed to away fans and prices have went up. If it is to do with that then it's good to see fans standing up against clubs and their over inflated ticket fees. If it's down to Hibs poor form then it's a sad state of affairs that they couldn't sell out their big game.


Some very fair points, and I have thought that a 16 team league is the way forward in Scotland for a while now. I'll disagree that the Scottish league would prosper without the old firm but that's just my opinion. I do think the bubble bursting moneywise will be good for the National team eventually though, every cloud and all that...

My cousin is a season ticket holder with Hibs and I think he's just had enough these days, I went to see Hearts play Kilmarnock last season with a few mates and we ended up leaving at half time, Tynecastle was half empty, the football was awful and we just headed back to the pub. Something has to change up there, that is one thing that is certain.


I don't think the league would prosper, just certain teams would if that makes sense? There would be competition again.

I moved upto Aberdeen almost 4 years ago and have been up to see them a few times. Some games have been dire and some not even that good. A club that was reguaraly challenging for the title and lifted a European trophy and now success is finishing in the top 6 of the league and getting over 9,000 through the gate. I really hope they can win the Scottish Cup and maybe they can kick on from that because the guys I work with and go to games with deserve that, like the 4,000 Killie diehards deserved yesterday.


I have to be honest, Kilmarnock winning yesterday put a smile on my face, I would've been exactly the same if they had beat Rangers, good to see.

Re: Celtic

Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:41 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... nship.html

Re: Celtic

Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:48 pm

TopCat CCFC wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2117140/Celtic-wont-join-League-One-Championship.html


That's a pity, I'd have driven them down for free to get shot of them :D

Re: Celtic

Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:50 pm

PtB wrote:
TopCat CCFC wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2117140/Celtic-wont-join-League-One-Championship.html


That's a pity, I'd have driven them down for free to get shot of them :D


;) :ayatollah:

Re: Celtic

Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:53 pm

Johnny Rythmn wrote:
MAESTEG BLUE wrote:
Bridgend_bluebird wrote:Where did the tabloids come from?

I personally think it would be good, they're too big for the Scottish leagues but would heir tremendous support travel all over England?


yeh it would be great to see the terrorist supporting anti british sepitc fans supporting their vile child abuse covering up club entering the english league ...NOT
celtic consider themseves to be irish great, if they want out of the spl they are more than welcome to join the league of ireland (tho doubt if the good irish peolpe would want that lot there) and go back home


Can you spot MAESTEG BLUE in the line up below?

:kermit: :kermit: :kermit: :kermit: :kermit: :kermit: :kermit: :kermit: :kermit: :kermit: :kermit: :kermit:


hello JR did you enjoy st pats day england beating oirland and killi doing old curly teeth and his septic bhoys ;)

Re: Celtic

Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:07 pm

I don't mind but IMO they should start at the very bottom of the English system

Re: Celtic

Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:17 pm

scotsjack wrote:From what I've heard since, this is just some journalists churning out the same story that pops up a few times each season. The difference with Swansea and Cardiff is that we were invited in at the very beginning of respective divisions, meaning that it didn't cause any upheaval and that we, along with other Welsh teams have been in the pyramid for a long, long time.


Also the scottish teams were invited to join the same time as the welsh teams but they decided to form a league of their own

Re: Celtic

Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:19 pm

if they were invited into ENGLISH football,they'd have to start at the bottom.and no english club should suffer,so it would have to be 2 welsh teams removed to allow them in........i like it. :D