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" Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:16 pm

Its no secret Malky doesnt have a budget as big as last season, although its not 25% of the previous year as Annis claims :lol:

However I cannot help feel it hasnt been used as well as it could have been.

20k a week plus for a striker at this level should be getting 20+goals. No ifs. No buts. If we are paying out them kind of wages weve got to have a better return of 10 goals by March. Yes you can argue the system isnt helping him but hes also missed plenty of chances and one someone who gets paid 20k+ a week at this level should be taking.

13k a week for a striker who doesnt get used prior to a 20 minute camio when we are zip - three down. Some argue it wasnt Malkys signing but he signed on the dotted line 6 weeks AFTER Malkys arrival so MM could have blocked it and used the 13k on someone he would be prepared to use.

A reported 18k a week for Lawrence who is a decent player but he is not a player we needed and doesnt give us anything different to Don Cowie/Craig Conway, or if played in the middle as he has been then he is not offering anything different to Aron Gunarson. The side is crying out for pace and creativity not more neat and tidy, hardworking, low risk type of player that Lawrence is. We already had plenty of them so a for me that 18k a week should have been used elsewhere.

We were in a terrific position to kick on in January, and everyone could see what we were missing - more pace in the team, and another option upfront. It didnt happen for one reason or another whichever line of communication you wish to believe. Was there 5 million really there? I doubt it. We will never know.

We still are in a decent position as results have gone weel today and maybe an injection of 2 fresh attacking players, albeit on loan, will kick us on into the play-offs however people are opposing this as "they are not our players at the end of the season and its a waste of money that will ruin nextseason" ?!?!

Firstly if we had 2 players in on 15-20k a week thats 3-400k between now and the end of the season. Thats not going to ruin next seasons budget at all. We probably earned a fair chunk of that would be 3-400k with the carling cup run which wouldnt have been written into the budget for this year.

Secondly, the 3 players I aluded to above, thats over 50k a week that could and should ave been used better, and certainly 31k a week has been completely wasted. The 20k on Miller might get more value if we added some more attacking options alongside him. Speculate to accumulate and perhaps we get a better return on the money we are investing in our highest paid player?.

We have already seen last season at both Swansea (Borini) and Norwich (Lansbury) that if used well loans can make a difference and who knows IF we used them correctly (and thats a big if for the reasons mentioned above :? ) it might get us where we want to be. Personally I dont really care if we are in the PL I just want to be entertained, and would like to see some fresh changes to the dross weve witnessed last two months.

Loaning two more players is IMO not a massive risk, its a calculated financial risk, which isnt going to break the bank, and one which i feel we should take and give us our best chance of getting into the play-offs. Results have gone our way today so why not? Why the stubborness when we, the paying customer can see we need to freshen it up? Surely Malky can see it too?

:ayatollah:

Re: Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market

Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:28 pm

Don't like it when you get all serious, your posts are more entertaining when you're telling somebody to feck off! ;) :) :ayatollah:

Re: Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market

Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:29 pm

Overthemoon wrote:Don't like it when you get all serious, your posts are more entertaining when you're telling somebody to feck off! ;) :) :ayatollah:


I didnt expect it to come out that long :lol:

Re: Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market

Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:32 pm

polo wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:Don't like it when you get all serious, your posts are more entertaining when you're telling somebody to feck off! ;) :) :ayatollah:


I didnt expect it to come out that long :lol:


:) Said the actress to the bishop! :)

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:33 pm

Shit that is deep, philosophical and more important spot on.

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:35 pm

llan bluebird wrote:Shit that is deep, philosophical and more important spot on.


:ayatollah:

Can be serious when I want to be Llan ;)

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:41 pm

I agree with the majority of your post Polo, but out of curiosity, what's your thoughts on our goalkeeper and our defence, who have been leaking far too many goals IMO?

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:46 pm

great post polo ...that is what i told that numty bluebird99 in another thread

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:50 pm

Overthemoon wrote:I agree with the majority of your post Polo, but out of curiosity, what's your thoughts on our goalkeeper and our defence, who have been leaking far too many goals IMO?

The defence look tired, and I think they should have been rotated.

Theres no doubt they are the best players for their position, but Kev especially has been very poor this season, more so after xmas, and should have been dropped lately.

If Malky is going to play narrow with full backs pushing into the space its not a game that suits Kev and dare i say it we should replace him in the summer.

I personally dont think having Whitts sitting front of the defence is good for them, or getting the best out of him. Although he has improved he is still not a tackler, and isnt a player who breaks the play up. This leaves the defence more exposed.

Id like to see Kiss or Gunar sit in there and push Whitts on one.

The two keepers, not a lot between them, I prefer Heaton personally, hes younger and seems to want it more. A better kicker for sure, Marshall kicking is poor. In Marshalls defence against West Ham and Hull his shot stopping was good and it could have been more if it wasnt for him.

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:54 pm

therealjimmyscoular wrote:great post polo ...that is what i told that numty bluebird99 in another thread


The rose tinters dont want to hear it Jim. Even when somone puts out reasoned thought out posts such as above if its in anyway critical, or disagrees with their views then apprantley you are not a "real fan" or "dont have a clue about football".

f**k em.

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:58 pm

f*cking hell Polo, that is such a good assessment, where did that come from? :lol:

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:01 pm

buckleys brewery wrote:f*cking hell Polo, that is such a good assessment, where did that come from? :lol:

:lol:

I always had it in my locker mate I just prefer to argue and act like a c**t. comes more naturally. :lol:

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:05 pm

polo wrote:
buckleys brewery wrote:f*cking hell Polo, that is such a good assessment, where did that come from? :lol:

:lol:

I always had it in my locker mate I just prefer to argue and act like a c**t. comes more naturally. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:15 pm

polo wrote:
therealjimmyscoular wrote:great post polo ...that is what i told that numty bluebird99 in another thread


The rose tinters dont want to hear it Jim. Even when somone puts out reasoned thought out posts such as above if its in anyway critical, or disagrees with their views then apprantley you are not a "real fan" or "dont have a clue about football".

f**k em.

everything you have said above is spot on lad....and like i said before what half of the people know on here you could put on the back of a stamp....why have we not used any off the money from the cup run..????....that had nothing to do with the budget that was set last summer...if we are going to kick on we need at least two players in as soon as possible..some people on here are very negative we cant spend money we need it to build in the summer...well if we got to the prem this season we would have a lot more in our budget for next season....

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:23 pm

Well said.

Totally agree..... I said before what's the point in putting cash in if were not going to push for the top... Could end up like forest long term..
I'll be there......whatever happens. They can see the potential here so surely they realise the quality of teams around us...
And that we need a quality team with strength in depth...

My opinion by the way...

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:26 pm

Agree polo. I wonder though if the problem go's deeper. Who above mm helps in the targeting & recruitment of players? We have a young inexpreinced manager and owners who are new to football( not a criticism). Maybe a director of football to bridge this gap should be considered in the summer.

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:30 pm

polo wrote:
Overthemoon wrote:I agree with the majority of your post Polo, but out of curiosity, what's your thoughts on our goalkeeper and our defence, who have been leaking far too many goals IMO?

The defence look tired, and I think they should have been rotated.

Theres no doubt they are the best players for their position, but Kev especially has been very poor this season, more so after xmas, and should have been dropped lately.

If Malky is going to play narrow with full backs pushing into the space its not a game that suits Kev and dare i say it we should replace him in the summer.

I personally dont think having Whitts sitting front of the defence is good for them, or getting the best out of him. Although he has improved he is still not a tackler, and isnt a player who breaks the play up. This leaves the defence more exposed.

Id like to see Kiss or Gunar sit in there and push Whitts on one.

The two keepers, not a lot between them, I prefer Heaton personally, hes younger and seems to want it more. A better kicker for sure, Marshall kicking is poor. In Marshalls defence against West Ham and Hull his shot stopping was good and it could have been more if it wasnt for him.

I agree about Heaton and like you, would also prefer Whitts to be pushed further forward!

I'm not sure that Kiss possesses the necessary composure, on or off the ball tbh, to do a decent job in front of the ack four, although Gunnarsson could be with a try!

I also agree that McNaughton's standards have dropped dramatically of late and that Darcy has been unlucky not to get a run out at right back, although you may deduce from a couple of other posts I've made, I don't think Hudson is good enough for us and I'd drop him for Darcy or even Kienan!

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:06 pm

jama wrote:Agree polo. I wonder though if the problem go's deeper. Who above mm helps in the targeting & recruitment of players? We have a young inexpreinced manager and owners who are new to football( not a criticism). Maybe a director of football to bridge this gap should be considered in the summer.


Been thinking that myself. Definitely a lack of football people on the board.

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:51 pm

Is Polo really Dave Jones ??? :D

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:13 pm

barry boy wrote:Is Polo really Dave Jones ??? :D


No, I dont have pockets in my straight jacket :mrgreen:

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:02 am

Good post, & some valid point raised which i agree with. Somethings going on behind the scenes at City at the moment, i wonder what though. :?

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:37 pm

If we dont loan some more options this week we may as well pack it up for this season.

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:53 pm

Any season ticket holders not going wednesday, giss you ticket, i`ll go an support em, but i aint paying..

Re: " Not savvy enough? and utilising the loan market "

Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:59 pm

wkdblue wrote:Any season ticket holders not going wednesday, giss you ticket, i`ll go an support em, but i aint paying..

You can have mine. Im painting Wedbesday. :lol: