KONY 2012
Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:08 pm
I know there is already one thread about this but it is an important campaign and i really want it to gain awareness!
Here is the video campaign.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc
Please could you all post this on your facebook pages and all of your social network sites as we need to raise awareness to stop people like this sick man!
Here is the website to pledge, give donations to the cause and order a KONY kit which will all help towards the cause. On April the 20th everybody who is a part of this campaign will work through the night in the city/towns they are in throughout the world and cover them in, KONY stickers/posters/banners and everything else that will make KONY famous so that people will take action!
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kony2012/kony-4.html
Here is the video campaign.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc
Please could you all post this on your facebook pages and all of your social network sites as we need to raise awareness to stop people like this sick man!
Here is the website to pledge, give donations to the cause and order a KONY kit which will all help towards the cause. On April the 20th everybody who is a part of this campaign will work through the night in the city/towns they are in throughout the world and cover them in, KONY stickers/posters/banners and everything else that will make KONY famous so that people will take action!
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kony2012/kony-4.html
Re: KONY 2012
Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:29 pm
TeenageBlue wrote:I know there is already one thread about this but it is an important campaign and i really want it to gain awareness!
Here is the video campaign.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc
Please could you all post this on your facebook pages and all of your social network sites as we need to raise awareness to stop people like this sick man!
Here is the website to pledge, give donations to the cause and order a KONY kit which will all help towards the cause. On April the 20th everybody who is a part of this campaign will work through the night in the city/towns they are in throughout the world and cover them in, KONY stickers/posters/banners and everything else that will make KONY famous so that people will take action!
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kony2012/kony-4.html
Genuine or scam? I only ask as the first page of comments a few say its a scam
Re: KONY 2012
Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:49 pm
I've only pledged so far mate! I don't think it's a scam, if you watch the video it says all about the kits etc
Re: KONY 2012
Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:56 pm
Support the cause but be wary of donating towards it.
http://sammhayden.tumblr.com/post/18893 ... nd-educate
I do not doubt for a second that the students involved in the Acadia KONY 2012 page have great intentions, nor do I doubt for a second that Joseph Kony is a very evil man. But despite this, I’m strongly opposed to supporting the KONY 2012 campaign.
KONY 2012 is the product of a group called Invisible Children, a controversial activist group and not-for-profit. They’ve released 11 films, most with an accompanying bracelet colour (KONY 2012 is fittingly red), all of which focus on Joseph Kony. When we buy merch from them, when we link to their video, when we put up posters linking to their website, we support the organization. I don’t think that’s a good thing, and I’m notalone.
Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 31% went to their charity program (page 6). This is far from ideal, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/5 stars because they haven’t had their finances externally audited. But it goes way deeper than that.
The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money funds the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations ofrape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission.
Still, the bulk of Invisible Children’s spending isn’t on funding African militias, but on awareness and filmmaking. Which can be great, except that Foreign Affairs has claimed that Invisible Children (among others) “manipulates facts for strategic purposes, exaggerating the scale of LRA abductions and murders and emphasizing the LRA’s use of innocent children as soldiers, and portraying Kony — a brutal man, to be sure — as uniquely awful, a Kurtz-like embodiment of evil.” He’s certainly evil, but exaggeration and manipulation to capture the public eye is unproductive, unprofessional and dishonest.
As Christ Blattman, a political scientist at Yale, writes on the topic of IC’s programming, “There’s also something inherently misleading, naive, maybe even dangerous, about the idea of rescuing children or saving of Africa. […] It hints uncomfortably of the White Man’s Burden. Worse, sometimes it does more than hint. The savior attitude is pervasive in advocacy, and it inevitably shapes programming. Usually misconceived programming.”
Still, Kony’s a bad guy, and he’s been around a while. Which is why the US has been involved in stopping him for years. U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) has sent multiple missions to capture or kill Kony over the years. And they’ve failed time and time again, each provoking a ferocious response and increased retaliative slaughter. The issue with taking out a man who uses a child army is that his bodyguards are children. Any effort to capture or kill him will almost certainly result in many children’s deaths, an impact that needs to be minimized as much as possible. Each attempt brings more retaliation. And yet Invisible Children funds this military intervention. Kony has been involved in peace talks in the past, which have fallen through. But Invisible Children is now focusing on military intervention.
Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re helping fund the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. If people know this and still support Invisible Children because they feel it’s the best solution based on their knowledge and research, I have no issue with that. But I don’t think most people are in that position, and that’s a problem.
Is awareness good? Yes. But these problems are highly complex, not one-dimensional and, frankly, aren’t of the nature that can be solved by postering, film-making and changing your Facebook profile picture, as hard as that is to swallow. Giving your money and public support to Invisible Children so they can spend it on funding ill-advised violent intervention and movie #12 isn’t helping. Do I have a better answer? No, I don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you should support KONY 2012 just because it’s something. Something isn’t always better than nothing. Sometimes it’s worse.
If you want to write to the Prime Minister, go ahead. If you want to write to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, go ahead. If you want to write to theMinister of National Defence, go ahead. (He’s an Acadia alum!) And if you want to write to our MP here in Kings-Hants, go ahead. But let’s keep it about Joseph Kony, not KONY 2012.
~ Grant Oyston, goyston@gmail.com
http://sammhayden.tumblr.com/post/18893 ... nd-educate
I do not doubt for a second that the students involved in the Acadia KONY 2012 page have great intentions, nor do I doubt for a second that Joseph Kony is a very evil man. But despite this, I’m strongly opposed to supporting the KONY 2012 campaign.
KONY 2012 is the product of a group called Invisible Children, a controversial activist group and not-for-profit. They’ve released 11 films, most with an accompanying bracelet colour (KONY 2012 is fittingly red), all of which focus on Joseph Kony. When we buy merch from them, when we link to their video, when we put up posters linking to their website, we support the organization. I don’t think that’s a good thing, and I’m notalone.
Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 31% went to their charity program (page 6). This is far from ideal, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/5 stars because they haven’t had their finances externally audited. But it goes way deeper than that.
The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money funds the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations ofrape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission.
Still, the bulk of Invisible Children’s spending isn’t on funding African militias, but on awareness and filmmaking. Which can be great, except that Foreign Affairs has claimed that Invisible Children (among others) “manipulates facts for strategic purposes, exaggerating the scale of LRA abductions and murders and emphasizing the LRA’s use of innocent children as soldiers, and portraying Kony — a brutal man, to be sure — as uniquely awful, a Kurtz-like embodiment of evil.” He’s certainly evil, but exaggeration and manipulation to capture the public eye is unproductive, unprofessional and dishonest.
As Christ Blattman, a political scientist at Yale, writes on the topic of IC’s programming, “There’s also something inherently misleading, naive, maybe even dangerous, about the idea of rescuing children or saving of Africa. […] It hints uncomfortably of the White Man’s Burden. Worse, sometimes it does more than hint. The savior attitude is pervasive in advocacy, and it inevitably shapes programming. Usually misconceived programming.”
Still, Kony’s a bad guy, and he’s been around a while. Which is why the US has been involved in stopping him for years. U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) has sent multiple missions to capture or kill Kony over the years. And they’ve failed time and time again, each provoking a ferocious response and increased retaliative slaughter. The issue with taking out a man who uses a child army is that his bodyguards are children. Any effort to capture or kill him will almost certainly result in many children’s deaths, an impact that needs to be minimized as much as possible. Each attempt brings more retaliation. And yet Invisible Children funds this military intervention. Kony has been involved in peace talks in the past, which have fallen through. But Invisible Children is now focusing on military intervention.
Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re helping fund the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. If people know this and still support Invisible Children because they feel it’s the best solution based on their knowledge and research, I have no issue with that. But I don’t think most people are in that position, and that’s a problem.
Is awareness good? Yes. But these problems are highly complex, not one-dimensional and, frankly, aren’t of the nature that can be solved by postering, film-making and changing your Facebook profile picture, as hard as that is to swallow. Giving your money and public support to Invisible Children so they can spend it on funding ill-advised violent intervention and movie #12 isn’t helping. Do I have a better answer? No, I don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you should support KONY 2012 just because it’s something. Something isn’t always better than nothing. Sometimes it’s worse.
If you want to write to the Prime Minister, go ahead. If you want to write to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, go ahead. If you want to write to theMinister of National Defence, go ahead. (He’s an Acadia alum!) And if you want to write to our MP here in Kings-Hants, go ahead. But let’s keep it about Joseph Kony, not KONY 2012.
~ Grant Oyston, goyston@gmail.com
Re: KONY 2012
Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:18 pm
Never heard of him before this campaign. Its funny though...when this was happening in Iraq and Afghanistan....people said we shouldn't intervene. Yet are more than happy for us to intervene here. Double standards?
I personally think we should do what ever it takes to get rid of any person who is this evil. Its being going on too long now.
I personally think we should do what ever it takes to get rid of any person who is this evil. Its being going on too long now.
Re: KONY 2012
Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:22 pm
This is something that is much larger than just jailing a war criminal. I am always skeptical of things that ask for money from someone we don't know but in this instance I think the social networking side and sharing side is more important. We are living in a world where people are taking power back from the minority of those that rule and in my opinion social networking is sparking a global revolution.
I'm backing this cause purely because of what it would mean on a larger scale if it was successful. It would show that the power of the good majority can overcome the bad minority. If we can be successful in eradicating such a powerful bad man then what else can we stop purely through the power of social networking and sharing?
Times are changing lads.
I'm backing this cause purely because of what it would mean on a larger scale if it was successful. It would show that the power of the good majority can overcome the bad minority. If we can be successful in eradicating such a powerful bad man then what else can we stop purely through the power of social networking and sharing?
Times are changing lads.
Re: KONY 2012
Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:24 pm
Id just wish they hadn't asked for money, would have made me more of a believer.
Re: KONY 2012
Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:15 am
As a current resident of Uganda and someone who has been involved in Uganda for over 10 years I support the campaign. However.... why the hell was nothing done for the last 20 years? Oil has been discovered in Northern Uganda and all of the sudden their is an urgency in bringing the whole sorry mess to a conclusion. If it works, great, however the intentions of the West are truly loathsome and cynical.
Re: KONY 2012
Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:25 am
What about Syria and Palestine?
Re: KONY 2012
Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:27 am
Oil has nothing to do with it.
The west would of taken oli from there anyway and Kony would have had little impact on it. He would just end up dead like every other African that got in the way of the major oil companies.
You don't have to give money.
Simply knowing about the issue is enough.
The west would of taken oli from there anyway and Kony would have had little impact on it. He would just end up dead like every other African that got in the way of the major oil companies.
You don't have to give money.
Simply knowing about the issue is enough.
Re: KONY 2012
Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:30 am
Kony.....
Putting the "infant" back in "infantry".
Putting the "infant" back in "infantry".
Re: KONY 2012
Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:39 pm
Big Boss Man wrote:Oil has nothing to do with it.
The west would of taken oli from there anyway and Kony would have had little impact on it. He would just end up dead like every other African that got in the way of the major oil companies.
You don't have to give money.
Simply knowing about the issue is enough.
I agree with you about not giving the money - awareness is also great.
But I disagree about the oil. The west did nothing about the problem for 20 years - which they were well aware of and which seen some of the bloodiest and disgraceful violence against women and children. Now oil has been discovered they need Kony out of the way to ensure the safe logistics. If oil had been foudn 20 years ago we would all have been wearing wristbands then. Kony is a huge obsticle to the oil industry in northern Uganda and now needs removing.
Re: KONY 2012
Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:48 pm
thought i was on a football forum hmmm hmmm hmmm
Re: KONY 2012
Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:49 pm
The film maker doesn't care about oil.
Kony will have no impact on the oil companies going in and setting up shop.
Kony will have no impact on the oil companies going in and setting up shop.
Re: KONY 2012
Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:56 pm
Kony wouldn't stand a chance against the oil companies.
Finding oil is the worst thing that could of happened to Kony.
Him and his child army would be able to do anything to the likes of Blackwater or any other private security firm the oil companies could hire.
100 US solders have been able to put Kony on the back foot.
Finding oil is the worst thing that could of happened to Kony.
Him and his child army would be able to do anything to the likes of Blackwater or any other private security firm the oil companies could hire.
100 US solders have been able to put Kony on the back foot.
Re: KONY 2012
Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:56 pm
AfricanBluebird wrote:As a current resident of Uganda and someone who has been involved in Uganda for over 10 years I support the campaign. However.... why the hell was nothing done for the last 20 years? Oil has been discovered in Northern Uganda and all of the sudden their is an urgency in bringing the whole sorry mess to a conclusion. If it works, great, however the intentions of the West are truly loathsome and cynical.
Spot on.
this is a cynical USA Government backed movement.
If you want to "Save The Children"....
Start a campaign to arrest any and every USA president
Re: KONY 2012
Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:23 pm
taffyapple wrote:AfricanBluebird wrote:As a current resident of Uganda and someone who has been involved in Uganda for over 10 years I support the campaign. However.... why the hell was nothing done for the last 20 years? Oil has been discovered in Northern Uganda and all of the sudden their is an urgency in bringing the whole sorry mess to a conclusion. If it works, great, however the intentions of the West are truly loathsome and cynical.
Spot on.
this is a cynical USA Government backed movement.
If you want to "Save The Children"....
Start a campaign to arrest any and every USA president
why are we arresting US Presidents or is this just more of your anti-west anti anything political rant
this is a sorry situation
yes something should have been done a long time ago and questions should be asked
but if its taken the discovery of oil to make people look at this situation so be it
Re: KONY 2012
Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:45 pm
JONNY012697 wrote:taffyapple wrote:AfricanBluebird wrote:As a current resident of Uganda and someone who has been involved in Uganda for over 10 years I support the campaign. However.... why the hell was nothing done for the last 20 years? Oil has been discovered in Northern Uganda and all of the sudden their is an urgency in bringing the whole sorry mess to a conclusion. If it works, great, however the intentions of the West are truly loathsome and cynical.
Spot on.
this is a cynical USA Government backed movement.
If you want to "Save The Children"....
Start a campaign to arrest any and every USA president
why are we arresting US Presidents or is this just more of your anti-west anti anything political rant
this is a sorry situation
yes something should have been done a long time ago and questions should be asked
but if its taken the discovery of oil to make people look at this situation so be it
Its not a rant. Anything that saves kids is a winner.
But the same sort of shit is happening all over Africa. Kids are murdered
and raped and sold as slaves all over the underdeveloped world. You watch
the bastions of World Peace and fair play dive in there with "advisors"...
Sadly, still no oil in Zimbabwe is there?
Re: KONY 2012
Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:26 am
The oil companies don't need US help.
They have been killing Africans every since oil was found in Africa.
Some Africans won a case in a US court and were able to sue an oil company for millions due to their family members being killed to clear a village so drilling could start.
A 100 hundred US troops wouldn't been able to do anything in Zimbabwe.
They have been killing Africans every since oil was found in Africa.
Some Africans won a case in a US court and were able to sue an oil company for millions due to their family members being killed to clear a village so drilling could start.
A 100 hundred US troops wouldn't been able to do anything in Zimbabwe.
Re: KONY 2012
Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:41 am
He is bad so needs to be killed
Re: KONY 2012
Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:10 pm
I have absolutely no issues with supporting the arrest of such an animal,however there are animals like paedophiles,murderers,rapists on our own doorstep.As well as poverty even in the year 2012 certain communities on your very doorstep still live hand to mouth.Lets try and get our own house in order before anything else.Just my opinion.