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" POMPEY/COVENTRY NOW BIRMINGHAM C HAVE TROUBLES "

Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:03 pm

02nd March 2012.

" Birmingham City placed under transfer embargo "



Birmingham have been placed under a transfer embargo for not filing their 2010-11 accounts in time.
The Championship promotion chasers had anticipated the penalty, signing three players earlier this week.
A club statement read: "As has been widely reported, Birmingham International Holdings Limited is expected to publish the financial statements by the end of April 2012."
Blues owner Carson Yeung was arrested in June on money laundering charges.
His trial is in Hong Kong in November.
The statement added: "The delay in filing the financial statements is occasioned due to the delayed audit processes, with both the club and the group holding company having to handle a series of audit issues, together with the financial issues thrown at the club due to the arrest and freezing of the assets of the club's main benefactor and changes to banking arrangements.
"The draft financial statements are prepared and it is understood that these will be finalised and published by the end of April.
"This short period of delay in submission, and the resulting transfer embargo, does not affect the business of the football club at this present time.
"Having captured the signatures of several more players in the last couple of weeks, the club is satisfied with the strength and size of the playing squad, which has been sufficiently reinforced to assist with our end of season push."
Blues' divisional and West Midlands rivals Coventry also suffered a transfer embargo for the same offence.
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Re: " POMPEY/COVENTRY NOW BIRMINGHAM C HAVE TROUBLES "

Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:08 pm

Clearing out the deadwood, making the crisis in football seem unsurmountable, and then... The FA will step in with their 2 tier Premier League plan again, saying it's the only way forward for football.

At the same time, killing the hopes and dreams of any clubs not meeting their criteria and in the bottom two divisions.

Re: " POMPEY/COVENTRY NOW BIRMINGHAM C HAVE TROUBLES "

Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:09 pm

scotsjack wrote:Clearing out the deadwood, making the crisis in football seem unsurmountable, and then... The FA will step in with their 2 tier Premier League plan again, saying it's the only way forward for football.

At the same time, killing the hopes and dreams of any clubs not meeting their criteria and in the bottom two divisions.


I really hope not.

Re: " POMPEY/COVENTRY NOW BIRMINGHAM C HAVE TROUBLES "

Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:14 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
scotsjack wrote:Clearing out the deadwood, making the crisis in football seem unsurmountable, and then... The FA will step in with their 2 tier Premier League plan again, saying it's the only way forward for football.

At the same time, killing the hopes and dreams of any clubs not meeting their criteria and in the bottom two divisions.


I really hope not.


I'm the same, never want to see any club go under as it very nearly happened twice at Swansea, but I can see where football is heading and I don't like it. Another 20 or 30 years, maybe sooner and we'll end up with teams merging, the working man being priced out of the game and a model not far off the NFL, all for the so called good of the game.

Re: " POMPEY/COVENTRY NOW BIRMINGHAM C HAVE TROUBLES "

Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:16 pm

The day CCFC merges with anyone is the day football is over for me :cry:

Re: " POMPEY/COVENTRY NOW BIRMINGHAM C HAVE TROUBLES "

Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:17 pm

CraigCCFC wrote:The day CCFC merges with anyone is the day football is over for me :cry:


Same here Craig.

Re: " POMPEY/COVENTRY NOW BIRMINGHAM C HAVE TROUBLES "

Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:22 pm

I feel the same with the Swans, but judging by the fact that you have both replied, I might not be far off the mark? Franchised clubs up and down the country? It's a long way off but that is the way that I can see football heading.

It'll be Scotland who go down that road first though.

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Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:34 pm

scotsjack wrote:I feel the same with the Swans, but judging by the fact that you have both replied, I might not be far off the mark? Franchised clubs up and down the country? It's a long way off but that is the way that I can see football heading.

It'll be Scotland who go down that road first though.


I reckon clubs will fold up here rather than go down the merging route. We were offered a "merger" with Airdrie United, even though there was no Airdrie United at the time. They would play in Airdrie strips under the Airdrie badge in Airdrie. Thanks, but.....

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Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:41 pm

PtB wrote:
scotsjack wrote:I feel the same with the Swans, but judging by the fact that you have both replied, I might not be far off the mark? Franchised clubs up and down the country? It's a long way off but that is the way that I can see football heading.

It'll be Scotland who go down that road first though.


I reckon clubs will fold up here rather than go down the merging route. We were offered a "merger" with Airdrie United, even though there was no Airdrie United at the time. They would play in Airdrie strips under the Airdrie badge in Airdrie. Thanks, but.....


In time though, without Airdrie existing, Clydebank would've picked up those fans. Same result, just a different way around it. The die hard fans wouldn't, but in a few years time, fathers taking their kids to see a match would go along and watch Clydebank if there was no other choice.

I remember back in the eighties, Wallace Mercer the then Hearts chairman wanted some sort of merged Hearts and Hibs arrangement and there was uproar. 30 years later though, some of those wounds would've healed and Hearts and Hibs might've been able to be competitive? The guy was either a nutter or a visionary, I still can't decide all these years later.

How about Dundee and Dundee Utd?

Re: " POMPEY/COVENTRY NOW BIRMINGHAM C HAVE TROUBLES "

Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:59 pm

If the day ever arrived where we merged with the Jacks will be the day I go and watch an egg game.

Never going to happen. ;)

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: " POMPEY/COVENTRY NOW BIRMINGHAM C HAVE TROUBLES "

Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:06 pm

I think its appalling the FL have let Brum get away with making those signings this week even though they knew this was coming...

Re: " POMPEY/COVENTRY NOW BIRMINGHAM C HAVE TROUBLES "

Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:35 pm

scotsjack wrote:
PtB wrote:
scotsjack wrote:I feel the same with the Swans, but judging by the fact that you have both replied, I might not be far off the mark? Franchised clubs up and down the country? It's a long way off but that is the way that I can see football heading.

It'll be Scotland who go down that road first though.


I reckon clubs will fold up here rather than go down the merging route. We were offered a "merger" with Airdrie United, even though there was no Airdrie United at the time. They would play in Airdrie strips under the Airdrie badge in Airdrie. Thanks, but.....


In time though, without Airdrie existing, Clydebank would've picked up those fans. Same result, just a different way around it. The die hard fans wouldn't, but in a few years time, fathers taking their kids to see a match would go along and watch Clydebank if there was no other choice.

I remember back in the eighties, Wallace Mercer the then Hearts chairman wanted some sort of merged Hearts and Hibs arrangement and there was uproar. 30 years later though, some of those wounds would've healed and Hearts and Hibs might've been able to be competitive? The guy was either a nutter or a visionary, I still can't decide all these years later.

How about Dundee and Dundee Utd?


I'm pretty sure that was put to the test in the 70s. I recall some guy on the box saying it is the only way a football club in the City of Dundee would survive but it will never happen due the the differences between the two set of fans. I think that argument can be associated with other cities.

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Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:51 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
scotsjack wrote:
PtB wrote:
scotsjack wrote:I feel the same with the Swans, but judging by the fact that you have both replied, I might not be far off the mark? Franchised clubs up and down the country? It's a long way off but that is the way that I can see football heading.

It'll be Scotland who go down that road first though.


I reckon clubs will fold up here rather than go down the merging route. We were offered a "merger" with Airdrie United, even though there was no Airdrie United at the time. They would play in Airdrie strips under the Airdrie badge in Airdrie. Thanks, but.....


In time though, without Airdrie existing, Clydebank would've picked up those fans. Same result, just a different way around it. The die hard fans wouldn't, but in a few years time, fathers taking their kids to see a match would go along and watch Clydebank if there was no other choice.

I remember back in the eighties, Wallace Mercer the then Hearts chairman wanted some sort of merged Hearts and Hibs arrangement and there was uproar. 30 years later though, some of those wounds would've healed and Hearts and Hibs might've been able to be competitive? The guy was either a nutter or a visionary, I still can't decide all these years later.

How about Dundee and Dundee Utd?


I'm pretty sure that was put to the test in the 70s. I recall some guy on the box saying it is the only way a football club in the City of Dundee would survive but it will never happen due the the differences between the two set of fans. I think that argument can be associated with other cities.


I think it has been discussed since then again, the difference is, in the 70's Scottish football was relatively strong compared to nowadays. Same as I mentioned above though, if one of those clubs went under, eventually the surviving club would benefit from increased attendances, or they could merge. Dundee is an extreme example, the grounds are right across the road from each other! These days with them both struggling to fill the grounds, it would make sense to me.

As for the English divisions...? Plymouth and Exeter? The two Bristol clubs? Mergers in the midlands? Just examples but if football is in the mess that it seems to be then who knows?

Re: " POMPEY/COVENTRY NOW BIRMINGHAM C HAVE TROUBLES "

Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:57 pm

I can't see teams merging, can see more being liquidated though.

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Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:58 pm

So no punishment for brum as brought in yesterday - that is cheating NOT rght

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Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:01 pm

2blue2handle wrote:I can't see teams merging, can see more being liquidated though.

Which in turn will benefit the nearest local team eventually. Take Portsmouth for example, if they go bust, there will be fairweather fans who will move onto Southampton. Sad but true.

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Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:16 pm

I'm not sure that merging clubs is an option because fans love their club, it's a bit like that guy who lost all the Daily Mirror pension monies and then tried to merge Oxford Utd and Reading. Was it Thames Valley Royals he wanted to call them.

I think there is some milage in clubs groundsharing to reduce costs with loads of clubs springing to mind. The Bristol Clubs, Sheffield Clubs, Liverpool clubs, Port Vale & Stoke City, Arsenal & Spurs, Chelsea & Fulham, West Ham & Millwall (maybe not that one).

One I've never understood didn't happen is Rotherham and Doncaster I know there is a Rugy League team playing at the Keepmoat but that is pretty much a summer sport now. Rotherham are happy to move over the M1 to Sheffield but not the couple of miles to Doncaster.

The thing is football can be tribal with few club owners willing to look at the bigger picture as it were.

:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

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Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:19 pm

NIBluebird wrote:So no punishment for brum as brought in yesterday - that is cheating NOT rght


I think the FL should take retrospective action against Brum because they knew yesterday when they submitted those transfer documents that they were in breach of Football League rules.

The FL should step in and cancel those transfers, but will they Hmmm.

I wouldn't hold my breath. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

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Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:23 pm

i read that the reports will be done for april.blues day to day running musn,t be a problem as we,ve singed players on loan and they will be paid in full/part by us.we,ve made 4m in jan transfer window.should imagine the close season will be hard unless carson comes up with some dosh.no revenue may to aug and players need paying.of course promotion would help us out.i think b.i.h is the company which the chinese are involved with.if you go on to often partisan the blogger/web guru has loads of articles on the tidlies.the kid sits in front of me at blues.taught himself mandrin so he could read hong kong papers etc.the time is right to cut the cloth accordingly though.the whole country has earned a fiver and spent a tenner for far too long.don,t see us merging with the viler though :lol: .funny you mentioned the dundee teams .don,t they firm up together as dundee utility crew?

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Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:23 pm

scotsjack wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:I can't see teams merging, can see more being liquidated though.

Which in turn will benefit the nearest local team eventually. Take Portsmouth for example, if they go bust, there will be fairweather fans who will move onto Southampton. Sad but true.


I'm not saying it won't have an effect but I don't see teams merging. And let be honest if fans are that fickle then they would move if Southampton went up etc.

I think a lot of new clubs would be set up like Wimbledon did, play in the bottom leagues and a lot of teams running on minimal costs.

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Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:27 pm

2blue2handle wrote:
scotsjack wrote:
2blue2handle wrote:I can't see teams merging, can see more being liquidated though.

Which in turn will benefit the nearest local team eventually. Take Portsmouth for example, if they go bust, there will be fairweather fans who will move onto Southampton. Sad but true.


I'm not saying it won't have an effect but I don't see teams merging. And let be honest if fans are that fickle then they would move if Southampton went up etc.

I think a lot of new clubs would be set up like Wimbledon did, play in the bottom leagues and a lot of teams running on minimal costs.

some of the older fans may do as some 60/70 year olds came from an era when one team was away they,d go to the other teams home games.some new fans may even just about do it.fans over 25 to 60?no way

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Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:34 pm

jtc wrote:i read that the reports will be done for april.blues day to day running musn,t be a problem as we,ve singed players on loan and they will be paid in full/part by us.we,ve made 4m in jan transfer window.should imagine the close season will be hard unless carson comes up with some dosh.no revenue may to aug and players need paying.of course promotion would help us out.i think b.i.h is the company which the chinese are involved with.if you go on to often partisan the blogger/web guru has loads of articles on the tidlies.the kid sits in front of me at blues.taught himself mandrin so he could read hong kong papers etc.the time is right to cut the cloth accordingly though.the whole country has earned a fiver and spent a tenner for far too long.don,t see us merging with the viler though :lol: .funny you mentioned the dundee teams .don,t they firm up together as dundee utility crew?

Hope blues pull through mate-good club.

Dundee lads pull together to form utility. Don't think there is any real hassle in the tayside derby either. More hassle with Aberdeen.

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Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:54 pm

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Bi ... 73160.html

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Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:09 pm

Get the feeling with Brum that there may be more to come. They are planning on filing accounts 1 game before the end of the season. So they are waiting to see how the next 2 months pan out i.e playoffs/top 2 or whether they take the 10 point hit.

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Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:56 pm

castleblue wrote:
NIBluebird wrote:So no punishment for brum as brought in yesterday - that is cheating NOT rght


I think the FL should take retrospective action against Brum because they knew yesterday when they submitted those transfer documents that they were in breach of Football League rules.

The FL should step in and cancel those transfers, but will they Hmmm.

I wouldn't hold my breath. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


This!!!! ^

That's why they rushed all 3 loans through - fecking cheating bastards! I hope they get what's coming!

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Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:14 am

dorsetblue wrote:Get the feeling with Brum that there may be more to come. They are planning on filing accounts 1 game before the end of the season. So they are waiting to see how the next 2 months pan out i.e playoffs/top 2 or whether they take the 10 point hit.

it had gone through my mind .if we finish 3rd but are 11 points clear of 7th then if we went into admin it wouldn,t be the biggest shock.tbf pannu has done everything not to put us in admin.so to call him/the club cheats is a bit unfair.there might be a reason for the late accounts ..plenty of blues/chinese stuff on OFTEN PARTISAN.

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Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:50 am

Gareth (Wilts) wrote:
jtc wrote:i read that the reports will be done for april.blues day to day running musn,t be a problem as we,ve singed players on loan and they will be paid in full/part by us.we,ve made 4m in jan transfer window.should imagine the close season will be hard unless carson comes up with some dosh.no revenue may to aug and players need paying.of course promotion would help us out.i think b.i.h is the company which the chinese are involved with.if you go on to often partisan the blogger/web guru has loads of articles on the tidlies.the kid sits in front of me at blues.taught himself mandrin so he could read hong kong papers etc.the time is right to cut the cloth accordingly though.the whole country has earned a fiver and spent a tenner for far too long.don,t see us merging with the viler though :lol: .funny you mentioned the dundee teams .don,t they firm up together as dundee utility crew?

Hope blues pull through mate-good club.

Dundee lads pull together to form utility. Don't think there is any real hassle in the tayside derby either. More hassle with Aberdeen.
thanks gareth.still smiling about your mates story :lol: